818 SEMA Update WITH PICS!

[rjh2pd]

It looks really good to me. I only hope that the rear scoops are open (not filled with black plastic crap like in mustangs). If they are functional that's an even bigger plus, but they at least need to be open.

[shim2]

It looks really good to me. I only hope that the rear scoops are open (not filled with black plastic crap like in mustangs). If they are functional that's an even bigger plus, but they at least need to be open.

Since the car is mid engine I'm almost certain they will be open and functional. As far as brainstorming I'd like to have it be possible to add power windows and a convertible folding down top. Since the car is using camry headlights it would have been neat if they used a miata convert. top.

[FFR-ADV]

Dave asked that I post a more detailed photo of the the headlamps. The upper fenders are not in this photograph and they surround the housing.

http://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/project818spyphoto5.jpg

Cudos to the design team, this is tricky design work that will make a great finished car. I love the way the lower edge of those light housings sits against those cutouts. CLEAN!

And the side cutouts cooling the front rotors look great. I can't wait to get an 818 in my garage!

Thanks for releasing these build photos Dave!

Cheers!

[Samiam1017]

I'm sure you're right. I forgot to account for the fact that this thing will have minimal body roll anyway. Plus, the suspension in the pic is at full droop. At ride height, that UCA will be angled upward. So, like I said, there will be some gain.

One other thing...it's drooping now and the tie rod is horizontal. At ride height, it will be angled upward, assuming the LCA will be horizontal. Does the angle of the UCA change the arc or keep it constant at the tie rod end? I.E. will there be bumpsteer with this set up or has it been reduced/eliminated by the geometry.

There will definetly camber gain. The length of the upper a arm controls Camber gain. shorter arm more camber gain. Longer arm less camber gain.

[Canadian818]

Very exciting stuff, i'd almost given up hope. Just decided to see if there's been any news in recent months and bam!, its almost released and its hot. I can't be the only one thats on pins and needles to see how it looks with the soft top. I really want a coupe, but it'll probably be a year or more until they release new bodies as i suspect these will fly off the shelves like hot cakes. So its my hope that the soft top looks good, suits the car, and doesn't have that "after-thought" look that the cobra does.

[flynntuna]

It appears that the attachment of the rear quarter-panels will give us access to the engine from the top or bottom only. This makes access to the front of the engine a bit difficult. The fuel tank is still behind the seats right? This gives us what, 2" between the engine and the fuel tank? Big hands, tight space, get the band-aids. :)

[Turboguy]

Dave-

Not sure if I missed you covering this elsewhere, but will the 818R have the same price as the street kit, or will it be more?


I know it's too early to commit in stone, but do you have a guesstimate of when the R's would start shipping? I'm finishing up my MK3.1 and would like to plan my next project a bit.

[bnr32jason]

Looks outstanding, can't wait for pics of the street version with the soft top!

[Movieman]

Oh MY! Walks away for some quiet time..
And they said American ingenuity was dead..:D
Very impressive, VERY!

[prematureapex]

Dave-

Not sure if I missed you covering this elsewhere, but will the 818R have the same price as the street kit, or will it be more?


I know it's too early to commit in stone, but do you have a guesstimate of when the R's would start shipping? I'm finishing up my MK3.1 and would like to plan my next project a bit.

Certainly would be more. How much...who knows? A couple thousand?

[mhoward1]

Certainly would be more. How much...who knows? A couple thousand?

Maybe, Maybe not.


Look at the pricing of the Roadster vs the Challenge cars

[Doctronix702]

Still chompin' at the bit for new photos! I know I'm dreaming, but how sweet would a right hand drive version be.
I live in Vegas so I guess I'll have to go "Ninja Monkey" on the SEMA show, gotta see the 818.

[WIS89]

Still chompin' at the bit for new photos! I know I'm dreaming, but how sweet would a right hand drive version be.
I live in Vegas so I guess I'll have to go "Ninja Monkey" on the SEMA show, gotta see the 818.

Doctronix-

If you do go Ninja Monkey on SEMA, please, PLEASE, bring your caamera with extra data storage and shoot pictures from every possible angle, so we can drool from a distance, and live vicariously through you!!!

This thing is really starting to get my blood pumping!! Can't wait to see more!!

Regards,

Steve

[Rasmus]

Maybe, Maybe not.


Look at the pricing of the Roadster vs the Challenge cars

The 818R need not come with a windscreen, a-pillars, top, or latching doors. I'd assume the door latching/hinge hardware would come from the donor though.

[Rasmus]

I know I'm dreaming, but how sweet would a right hand drive version be.
Right hand drive? Dream big: Center drive.

[2KWIK4U]

I always wondered how that would be?

Danny

[longislandwrx]

It's going to look so good with a CF lip.

[jimgood]

There will definetly camber gain. The length of the upper a arm controls Camber gain. shorter arm more camber gain. Longer arm less camber gain.
Agreed, but the longer the upright, the more travel required for the UCA to affect the angle as compared to a shorter upright. Is upright the correct term for that piece that connects the spindle to the UCA?

[tmpst]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the original donor list, which I believe still stands, did not include any 2.5 liter engines, only 2.0 liter. Lots of people have postulated using a 2.5 and a 6 speed, but as far as i know, that hasn't come from FFR. The twin turbo, EJ20R offered in Japan was perhaps the most powerful (276 hp in stock form) 2.0 liter built by Subaru. The fact that they picked this engine further confirms that FFR is not supporting the 2.5 liter, at least not yet.

I've spoken directly to FFR regarding this issue. There are no problems using the 2.5l engines. However they told me the 6-speed sti transmission can not be used because it can't be properly converted to the car.

[prematureapex]

Agreed, but the longer the upright, the more travel required for the UCA to affect the angle as compared to a shorter upright. Is upright the correct term for that piece that connects the spindle to the UCA?

Yup, upright, or knuckle.

[Rasmus]

2005 Legacy GT came with a 2.5 liter mated to a 5-speed.

[longislandwrx]

For those have you who have seen the size of the wrx waterpump, do you think there will be an issue cirulating coolant through 20ft? of piping and the rad?

[PhyrraM]

For those have you who have seen the size of the wrx waterpump, do you think there will be an issue cirulating coolant through 20ft? of piping and the rad?

Considering that automakers such as GM (Fiero), Toyota (MR2), and Fiat(X1/9) (and likely others too) have been putting FWD engines and drivetrains in the back of factory cars since the '70s using the standard FWD waterpumps, I don't really see a problem arising.

There are MANY sandrails, VW and Porsches based kit cars, and even real Porsches (914s and Boxsters) that are running Subaru drivetrains. I have never once read about anybody changing the waterpump.

Also, I'm sure the FFR prototype gocart has been put through it's paces to test for problems.

[prematureapex]

Considering that automakers such as GM (Fiero), Toyota (MR2), and Fiat(X1/9) (and likely others too) have been putting FWD engines and drivetrains in the back of factory cars since the '70s using the standard FWD waterpumps, I don't really see a problem arising.

There are MANY sandrails, VW and Porsches based kit cars, and even real Porsches (914s and Boxsters) that are running Subaru drivetrains. I have never once read about anybody changing the waterpump.

Also, I'm sure the FFR prototype gocart has been put through it's paces to test for problems.

I don't think there woudl be an issue.

Worse case, what are we looking at, a supplemental in-line electric water pump?

[longislandwrx]

Worse case, what are we looking at, a supplemental in-line electric water pump?

that's what I was wondering, if a booster pump is involved.

[Mechie3]

My fmod has a secondary electric water pump. I use it to circulate water while the car is in grid not running. Otherwise the motor gets hot while the water in the radiators cools and I need to start the motor to circulate the water.

It's a bosch pump with .75" inlet/outlet that is used as OEM in several german cars. It was about $60.

[BrandonDrums]

Agreed, but the longer the upright, the more travel required for the UCA to affect the angle as compared to a shorter upright. Is upright the correct term for that piece that connects the spindle to the UCA?

You actually don't want dynamic camber on suspension compression, that's a great way to loose tons of breaking grip. You want dynamic camber based on steering angle which is controlled by the castor angle.

Camber is only useful in the corners so you want to minimize it when driving straight and maximize it while actually turning.

[HelluvaEngineer]

2005 Legacy GT came with a 2.5 liter mated to a 5-speed.

This is my car. I want to use i as a donor. Good brakes, better transmission, Good engine. Just want to know how different the suspension mounting points are?

[JRach]

For those have you who have seen the size of the wrx waterpump, do you think there will be an issue cirulating coolant through 20ft? of piping and the rad?

Also a ton of rally guys that run WRX's/STI's with the radiator in the rear of the vehicle with air being fed from the replaced rear windows. Most of them are on the factory water pump without issue.

[prematureapex]

This is my car. I want to use i as a donor. Good brakes, better transmission, Good engine. Just want to know how different the suspension mounting points are?

Either way, it's not going to be a big deal, $$$ wise, to buy some used WRX control arms/knuckles, etc. if need be.

[rjh2pd]

This is my car. I want to use i as a donor. Good brakes, better transmission, Good engine. Just want to know how different the suspension mounting points are?

Don't ruin one of the few LGTs please!!

[PhyrraM]

Time to check FaceBook. The have a straight front end shot with the engine cover/headrest-bump piece installed.

[0100]

^thanks for the heads up, looking good!

[GUNS]

12026

Looks mean!

[ScottKoschwitz]

My thoughts exactly: looks low and mean. I like the subtle crease at the top of the fenders.

[thestigwins]

I wanted to see what it looked like off of the jack stands.
http://i47.tinypic.com/ioddnn.jpg

I need to find a donor.

[GUNS]

^Dude.....

[smoove7410]

Looks good. In the flesh, the renderings don't show how far the hood curves below the fenders.....I like it a lot. Now, about the rear which still remains elusive....come on.......post up a rear!

http://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/818swrender.jpg

[Ray]

... I'm currently begging the powers that be for permission to post them...:)

Now you know how I felt back in 2005 when I knew about the '33 project code name "Larry"

Ray

[FFR-ADV]

YES!

Thanks for the photo update!

Cheers!

[Rockraven]

I wanted to see what it looked like off of the jack stands.
http://i47.tinypic.com/ioddnn.jpg

I need to find a donor.


Can one of you skilled photo experts do me a big favour? I'm on an iPad... can you matte black a continuation of the intakes from the centre outboard to the brake inlets, then wrap it under the mid-height strake, carry it inboard about 8", and angle it back up to roughly inline with the "fangs"? Weird request I know, but I think we may find this really cool.

[Rockraven]

Also, I'd be interested in seeing 5" round driving lights at each end of the strake. K... thanx. :)

[DARKPT]

Great job, team FFR! I think I see the face of the 818 emerging with that head-on shot. It looks a little like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to me, and that's a good thing!

12033

[NHolds]

Probably not what you were looking for, but I was bored.....
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f297/NHolds/818-1.jpg

[Rockraven]

Probably not what you were looking for, but I was bored.....
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f297/NHolds/818-1.jpg

Almost there. Bring it back under the strake about 8".

[thestigwins]

Lets try and keep this thread on track and not do a ton of Photoshop edits. The original photo that I changed was to give us an idea of what the 818 would look like without stands. I didn't make any body modifications and I don't want this thread to turn into that.

[Rockraven]

I'm not talking body mods. Just to see what it looks like with a blacked out front facia. If it helps with the creative juices, what's the harm? Some of you are so scared to upset FFR's sensitivities. We are the customers, and we are the builders.

[Sultan]

[QUOTE=thestigwins;73609]I wanted to see what it looked like off of the jack stands.
http://i47.tinypic.com/ioddnn.jpg

Let me see I could get a Chevy Sonic or this.........so hard to decide.........

[Benji]

I'm not talking body mods. Just to see what it looks like with a blacked out front facia. If it helps with the creative juices, what's the harm? Some of you are so scared to upset FFR's sensitivities. We are the customers, and we are the builders.

That's not the point though. The purpose of this thread isn't to post up a load of photoshops. Feel free to find another existing thread where ideas are being thrown around or create a new one.

[Rockraven]

That's not the point though. The purpose of this thread isn't to post up a load of photoshops. Feel free to find another existing thread where ideas are being thrown around or create a new one.

Is it really that big a deal? It's a simple request, and no.... I'm not starting a new thread.

[shim2]

Looks so much better than the renderings. They gave it no justice.

[skullandbones]

This little exercise does reflect some advantages that the 818 will have over other offerings from FFR prior. The small body panels especially the nose peice can be easily modified to suit. I can see someone ordering a kit an purchasing an extra nose peice to do the customized version. That would create a real "Swatch" capability. I'm sure that other panels could be done like that too. So you may not see a lot of identical 818s out there in the long run. IMO. WEK.

I like the front now. It just looks menacing now. No fish mouths or smileys or frounies. Thanks for taking off the jack stands. It looks like it's ready to launch!

[Rockraven]

This little exercise does reflect some advantages that the 818 will have over other offerings from FFR prior. The small body panels especially the nose peice can be easily modified to suit. I can see someone ordering a kit an purchasing an extra nose peice to do the customized version. That would create a real "Swatch" capability. I'm sure that other panels could be done like that too. So you may not see a lot of identical 818s out there in the long run. IMO. WEK.

I like the front now. It just looks menacing now. No fish mouths or smileys or frounies. Thanks for taking off the jack stands. It looks like it's ready to launch!

I agree. I even like the facia, though I'm thinking of using some black honeycomb effect on it. This is why I'm interested to see the recessed areas blacked out. This is the request of a future builder... not a critic.

[Movieman]

Looking at the pic with the car off the jackstands and it looks to me like the car is saying : "I am coming to eat your lunch"
Like the guy that hits a hole in one, Dave and FFR crew you really aced this one..
GOD it's impressive!!!!!

[0100]

This car is starting to keep me up at night. Damn you FFR, damn you all to hell!!!

[skullandbones]

I was looking at the catalog for the GTM, the one with the Koni GTM that went to SEMA last year. On page three of that catalog is a very similar pic of the front of the GTM like the one in this thread. I actually like the 818 better! I know the two cars are not in the same class but the comparisons are inevitable. If you get a chance to see that shot of the GTM you'll see what I mean. WEK.

Note: Whether anybody wants to admit it or not, the 818 is probably going to act as a substitute for a lot of folks who like the GTM but either won't or can't spend that amount to get that car and all it's complicated processes.

[Sergio]

I like it, looks like a Viper racer

[David Hodgkins]

I was busy working on my roadster all day and didn't get a chance to catch up to the thread until now.

I got email too...

:)

[metalmaker12]

post my friend, I want more lol, I have been talking to the R.I DMV today on how to get the ball rolling with 818 registration. Looks like you need the donor old registration or title to register the car, thank god I have the title. BTW this car looks siccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[Mechie3]

Wasn't the 818R supposed to be pained blue/white like the rendering? Can't wait to see that.

Glad I still have my title too (though don't think i'll need it). When I scrapped my donor body, one place wanted the title and the car in 1 or 2 pieces. I had the car in about 16 pieces (sawzalled into manageable sizes). The second scrap yard didn't want the title so I was able to keep it and didn't care how many pieces the car was in.

[metalmaker12]

yea in R.I the DMV wants the old registration or title of the donor for kit built cars to be registered, that's right you cut that thing all up lol.

[David Hodgkins]

BTW I agree, no styling exercises in this thread please. Getting rid of jack stands is fine but don't post body modifications. If you want to do that please create a new thread.

:)

[smoove7410]

And the contents of your email kind sir.........

[David Hodgkins]

I got a grand total of 1 image.

For your consideration:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12045&d=1348981968

:)

[smoove7410]

^Hey, it's better than none!! Thanks for posting it. :cool:

So it looks like brakes, headlights and rear body work were added since the last side shot, while the dash was removed. It's shaping up.

[0100]

Sex!

[Ninja Monkey]

Monkey like no jack stands!!

So, I have a few questions.
1. Is there going to be a hard top or removable hard top version?
2. What driver and passenger side window options will be available? (don't care about the radio, just don't want my bananas to get ripped off).

Keep Swingin' Yall! "Ninja Monkey Out"

[David Hodgkins]

I just got more email. :)

Here's a cool bit of trivia.

I just heard that Jim and team Boothman (with John George driving) ran a 2:01 lap at the Glen. (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?7710-John-George-does-it-again-at-WG)

THAT is sick fast and the guy behind that effort is the designer of the 818 suspension and chassis. Yeah, the car will be sick fast.

:)

[David Hodgkins]

2 more images! Both are better shots of the cockpit:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12047&d=1349019210

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12046&d=1349019208

:)

[GUNS]

Looks like I don't have to shop around for seats or a racing wheel.

[Sultan]

David H,
Any chance of seeing pictures of the street version soon?

[timmy318]

David H,
Any chance of seeing pictures of the street version soon?

yea yea yea yea yea! All these pictures of the 818R version are kinda worrying me that the street version is behind on the work :P

[skullandbones]

Dave,

Have you heard if the R version will have a two seat racing configuration or is that not allowed? Thanks, WEK.

[shim2]

yea yea yea yea yea! All these pictures of the 818R version are kinda worrying me that the street version is behind on the work :P

Since they've been showing off the R version the entire time. I figure they are going to save something for surprise. I wouldn't be worried about it.

[Racebrewer]

David,

Thanks for the photos and the insight.

Kep them coming ! ! ! ! It keeps the crowd under control.<LOL>

John

[Mechie3]

That steering column is interesting (in that it isn't a subaru column). Gosh I really want to see specs/build lists for these!!!!

[Rockraven]

BTW I agree, no styling exercises in this thread please. Getting rid of jack stands is fine but don't post body modifications. If you want to do that please create a new thread.

:)

Fair enough.

[Movieman]

I just got more email. :)

Here's a cool bit of trivia.

I just heard that Jim and team Boothman (with John George driving) ran a 2:01 lap at the Glen. (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?7710-John-George-does-it-again-at-WG)

THAT is sick fast and the guy behind that effort is the designer of the 818 suspension and chassis. Yeah, the car will be sick fast.

:)

You piqued my interest so I looked up the track times at the Glen which REALLY made my eyes open:
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/9776/watkinsglen.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/watkinsglen.jpg/)

[Highway Star]

I couldn't see David's latest pictures and correctly assumed that it was because I was lurking as a visitor. So like any addict needing a fix, I did what ever it took to see the pictures and registered.

And the pictures only fuel the addiction.

[0100]

I see the passenger side door is on.

[el_jefe]

I just got more email. :)

Here's a cool bit of trivia.

I just heard that Jim and team Boothman (with John George driving) ran a 2:01 lap at the Glen. (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?7710-John-George-does-it-again-at-WG)



THAT is sick fast and the guy behind that effort is the designer of the 818 suspension and chassis. Yeah, the car will be sick fast.

:)


Was that stock 2.5 WRX motor/no tune? What tires?

[Mechie3]

Was that stock 2.5 WRX motor/no tune? What tires?

It wasn't an 818. The guy designing the 818 suspension drove the glen in a cobra challenge car to get that time.

[mhoward1]

That is the same car that did a 2:05 at VIR with JG Driving. Check out last years Ultimate Track Car Challenge. To better understand how significant that really is, this isn't a high horsepower monster and make significantly less than the Z06 corvetters and Porsche GT2/3 cars. It just handles and brakes that well.

[flynntuna]

It looks like from the pictures that the space between the seats will be tight, making a center console questionable. I was going to add heat and defroster, I was wondering how to run heater hoses to the front? And where to put the cup holders. LOL.

[jkrueger]

2:01 is real fast at the Glen.


You piqued my interest so I looked up the track times at the Glen which REALLY made my eyes open:
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/9776/watkinsglen.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/watkinsglen.jpg/)

[rjh2pd]

It looks like from the pictures that the space between the seats will be tight, making a center console questionable. I was going to add heat and defroster, I was wondering how to run heater hoses to the front?.
If i understand how the heating system works on cars, you just run the heater core off of the radiator/cooling lines (before radiator) and then blow air. If that's the case you could have the heater core in the front of the car and then have short lines.

[PhyrraM]

If i understand how the heating system works on cars, you just run the heater core off of the radiator/cooling lines (before radiator) and then blow air. If that's the case you could have the heater core in the front of the car and then have short lines.

The Subaru heater core is plumbed off of two pipes coming off the rear of the motor, over the bellhousing.

[rjh2pd]

The Subaru heater core is plumbed off of two pipes coming off the rear of the motor, over the bellhousing.
ohh... well never mind then. lol

[flytosail]

It looks like from the pictures that the space between the seats will be tight, making a center console questionable. I was going to add heat and defroster, I was wondering how to run heater hoses to the front? And where to put the cup holders. LOL.

Cup holders?

[Benji]

I see the passenger side door is on.

Is it me, does that door look a bit carbon fibre-ish?

[jimgood]

That is the same car that did a 2:05 at VIR with JG Driving. Check out last years Ultimate Track Car Challenge. To better understand how significant that really is, this isn't a high horsepower monster and make significantly less than the Z06 corvetters and Porsche GT2/3 cars. It just handles and brakes that well.
And weighs a minimum of 2400 lbs with driver, which is probably at least 400-500 lbs less than those cars.

[timmy318]

Is it me, does that door look a bit carbon fibre-ish?

Personally, I'd say it's just fiberglass. But....... I'm not saying carbon fiber wouldn't be cool on a car like these :cool:

[mhoward1]

And weighs a minimum of 2400 lbs with driver, which is probably at least 400-500 lbs less than those cars.

True...but also the aero of a very square brick.

;)

In truth each car has it's advantage and disadvantage. No matter what though a 2:01 is quick for a street legal car.

[longislandwrx]

looks like it shouldnt be too difficult to convert the 818R to a two seater. The extra cross brace seems like it could be removed and pinned rather easily.

http://www.cachassisworks.com/p-528-swing-out-clevis-dual-eyebolt1-5-8x134-cages.aspx

[jimgood]

True...but also the aero of a very square brick.

;)

In truth each car has it's advantage and disadvantage. No matter what though a 2:01 is quick for a street legal car.
I agree. The indirect point was that, even if the 818R dresses out at 2000 lbs, it's going to be very quick. The thrill of these cars is in keeping up with or passing cars that have six figure price tags and knowing it didn't take Oprah money to do it.

[Silvertop]

The Subaru heater core is plumbed off of two pipes coming off the rear of the motor, over the bellhousing.

There are outfits out there that sell electric heater/defrosters for custom and kit cars. Quite compact too, will fit under the dash, and there is plenty of ducting hardware available to send the heat where you want it. I'm figuring on putting in one of those. Total cost of about $400. Might need a bigger alternator though......

I'm hoping to use the existing AC compressor though -- just run some ducting forward into the cockpit somewhere -- maybe under the seats? Any idea how that would work?

Sorry. I guess we are getting a little off topic........

[WIS89]

12026

Looks mean!

Holy underwear batman, that car looks mean.

It makes me wonder where they parked it, where someone could "jack" the tires on her!! (alright, so maybe not so funny...)

Every picture I see, makes me more excited; what a stunning car!!

All y'all at Factory Five--- you ROCK!!

Regards,

Steve

[flynntuna]

Cup holders?

Of course, how else can you determine how many g's your pulling if your coffee isin't sloshing everywhere. Lol.

[Hiryu]

Looks good. I was bored last night so I rendered what it might look like with a hardtop and other road components (sideviews, etc.). I won't post the pics here in order to avoid derailing the thread, but they're on my local album (let me know if this doesn't work):

My 818 Coupe Render Album (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=429)

I was hoping to hit SEMA, but I think I'll be missing it this year to pick up my other Subaru kit car....Luckily, it sounds like there will be enough people going to take pics of the 818s for us...Not to mention the great pics we're already getting here. Keep it up, FFR!

Mike

[Mad Dog]

Dave Smith just gave me the ok to post this.

http://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/818solidworks.jpg

Click here (http://vimeopro.com/clearimage/f5) to watch a short video from Hewlett Packard featuring the development of Project 818 using HP computers and Solidworks software. The image above is a screen shot from the video.

[Mechie3]

Aww yeah!

[Turboguy]

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12046&d=1349019208

Looks like a passenger seat will be a challenge in the 818R :(


Well, unless we make that chassis bar removable :)

[Sultan]

It is nice to see the road version!!!!

[Xusia]

The video shows the rear end, some additional detail on the rear suspension, and a really nice rendering. Since these are from the video, which was made available to all of us, I assume posting them is OK!

The more I see, the more I like!

[skullandbones]

I thought there would at least be a drum roll or some fanfair before the street roadster was shown. Or is that just a tease? WEK.

[Movieman]

Dave Smith just gave me the ok to post this.


Click here (http://vimeopro.com/clearimage/f5) to watch a short video from Hewlett Packard featuring the development of Project 818 using HP computers and Solidworks software. The image above is a screen shot from the video.

I would love to come down there and bring my dualie E5-2687W and see what solidworks would do on it.
16 cores/32 threads at 3400MHz
Here's a little writeup I did on it and yes, it truly is a Beast!:D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?280699-Supermicro-SuperWorkstation-7037A-i...A-dual-socket-2011-Beast!

[timmy318]

Everyday I look at this thread I start to like the 818 more and more until one day my head will eventually explode! :p I CANNOT wait to build this car!!! :D

[FFR-ADV]

Kudos to Dave, Jim & the whole 818 development team! Thank you for your effort on our behalf.

I love what was done with the dashboard seen in the new video. Lightness designed in by intent!

My donor WRX awaits its new improved embodiment! Looking forward to seeing more pictures of it .... in my garage!!!


Cheers!

[wallace18]

Great photos and video. All that is missing from this picture is my kit. LOL.

12081

[David Hodgkins]

Great photos and video. All that is missing from this picture is my kit. LOL.

12081

Wow, you're READY!

:)

[skullandbones]

Great photos and video. All that is missing from this picture is my kit. LOL.

12081

With all you preparation: floor, lift, tools, I was expecting a beautiful bikini model on the side to show off the car!!!!

[Silvertop]

I thought there would at least be a drum roll or some fanfair before the street roadster was shown. Or is that just a tease? WEK.

I'd consider it a tease. The red full-windshield rendering isn't a photograph, just a CAD drawing of what a roadster version of the 818-R would likely look like. And that picture has been around for a couple of months, but shown on a different background.

I'm thinking The roadster WILL probably look very much like that, because Dave S. has stated that they will share the same basic shape. But we don't really know, and I don't think we will prior to SEMA.

On another front, Based on what we know of the number and placement of body panels and on the video renderings of the two-tone 818-R, I suspect that it might be possible to order one's kit (whether 818-R or Roadster) as a two tone! Wouldn't that be sweet! One would probably want to paint the door tops and lower front clip to match, though.

But I'm just speculating..........

[wallace18]

With all you preparation: floor, lift, tools, I was expecting a beautiful bikini model on the side to show off the car!!!! I could not talk my wife into the bikini shot. Too bad she looks good in one.

[WIS89]

I could not talk my wife into the bikini shot. Too bad she looks good in one.

Well in that case, she can forget the bikini... ;o-)

Looks like your garage is all set to get down to business! Good for you!

Regards,

Steve

[Ninja Monkey]

I'm staying up here in my tree untill the SEMA show because that is the only reason I would climb down and walk on the ground is to see the car I plan to punish the ground dwellers with.

"Keep Swingin' Y'all" - Ninja Monkey

[el_jefe]

Time to get out the sawzall and make a F355 Challenge style rear grill :cool:

[flytosail]

Two things for us that are going to do a street version.

Need a spot for a front license plate.
Is a third brake light a requirement?

[Benji]

Great photos and video. All that is missing from this picture is my kit. LOL.

12081

YOU WIN.

Of course we're all going to be watching you to see how fast you can build the kit now!

[flynntuna]

I don't see any place in the photos for the fuel door.

[Ninja Monkey]

I don't see any place in the photos for the fuel door.

I could be wrong, but judging from the gocart video and the photos I've seen, it looks like it might be a flip up fuel door on the driver's side behind the door and above the fender vent on the horizontal surface.

"Keep Swingin' Y'all" - Ninja Monkey

[longislandwrx]

Excited about that front lip and massive diffuser... this things got some serious aero.

[face08]

I am hoping this will be my first kit car. ... just got to save up for it now. College financial situations suck!

[gwader]

Hey David do you work at FF?

[David Hodgkins]

Hey David do you work at FF?

Who, me? I don't work for FFR (wish I did!) but I do work on the forum!

:)

[BipDBo]

Hey Dave,

MOAR!!

please.

[shim2]

27 days until SEMA! Even if they don't show more until then it isn't that long of a wait. The worst wait will be after sema until the day your 818 arrives.

[military818]

Saveing my reinlistment bonus and all the money I can from this deployment. First kit will be the 818.

[David Hodgkins]

military818, thank you for your service! I believe FFR still has a veteran discount. Don't forget to mention it when you talk to them.

:)

[wooward]

I wish I got a veteran discount. Military contractors don't get any discounts :( Can't really complain though, I'm not getting shot at while I'm designing radars.

[BrandonDrums]

Saveing my reinlistment bonus and all the money I can from this deployment. First kit will be the 818.

Awesome man! After seeing the 818's watkins glen laptime, I think enlisting in exchange for an 818 will be worth it. Thanks for your service man!


I wish I got a veteran discount. Military contractors don't get any discounts :( Can't really complain though, I'm not getting shot at while I'm designing radars.

Plus, you have the savings for all of the tickets you won't get because you've secretly designed all radars to not pick up your build. That's what I'd do, either that or use the radar engineering knowledge to make my car stealth.

I drive a stealth car it seems. It's a 2000 Subaru Outback wagon. I swear cops can't see it. With our powers combined....

[WIS89]

I wish I got a veteran discount. Military contractors don't get any discounts :( Can't really complain though, I'm not getting shot at while I'm designing radars.

You know, if you are looking for a way to pay for your 818, you could come up with a new jammer technology, perhaps based upon the AEGIS system with a radar/laser component to detect any other radars or laser speed detectors within the spectrum range for a few hundred miles around the car, and then selectively jam them!! You could easily sell the transponder for enough money to cover more than a couple of 818s!!

And listen, don't ever feel like you are not fighting the good fight because you are a contractor and not in uniform. If it were not for the thousands of contractors providing us with the best and most capable weapons systems, we could not bring the fight to our enemies! Keep up the good work!!

Regards,

Steve

[Mechie3]

After seeing the 818's watkins glen laptime...

You saw the 818 Glen's lap time? :confused:


;)

[BrandonDrums]

You saw the 818 Glen's lap time? :confused:

Edit****

I was confused, thought the time Dave H. Posted the other day was in the 818 gokart but it was in a Challenge Racer test. Regardless, the challenge racer that set that time had 385whp. I imagine an 818 with a fully independent suspension, ~300 fewer pounds to haul around, a lower Cog and better aero (I'm guessing) will come close with 300 whp.

[QUOTE=David Hodgkins;73685]I just got more email. :)

Here's a cool bit of trivia.

I just heard that Jim and team Boothman (with John George driving) ran a 2:01 lap at the Glen. (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?7710-John-George-does-it-again-at-WG)

THAT is sick fast and the guy behind that effort is the designer of the 818 suspension and chassis. Yeah, the car will be sick fast.

:)


Then Movieman posted this.


You piqued my interest so I looked up the track times at the Glen which REALLY made my eyes open:
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/9776/watkinsglen.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/watkinsglen.jpg/)

[Silvertop]

Yeah, Dave H. Posted it a few days ago on this thread.

Unfortunately, the car that performed the 2:01 feat was Boothman Racing's 65 Roadster-based Challenge Car generating 385 wheel horsepower -- NOT an 818. I missed that on the first read-through too.

The point is that the 818 is expected to be faster than a challenge car on the track, at least properly equipped.......

[Mechie3]

Yup, I'm just giving you a hard time. :D

[gwader]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/moolio/images/f/f6/LOLOLOLTUMBLEWEED.gif MORE PICS!

[Someday I Suppose]

I think the point was supposed to be that Jim is 100% involved in the Boothman Project, is one of the drivers, and has worked to make that car handle as well as it does. The lap time was set by John George behind the wheel, this years Nationals Champ and one of the guys you can race with on Forza :-). We need to keep in mind though that the Boothman car is not a Spec Legal Challange series car and I am not sure I would expect the 818 to compete with it on the track.

_Scott


Unfortunately, the car that performed the 2:01 feat was Boothman Racing's 65 Roadster-based Challenge Car generating 385 wheel horsepower -- NOT an 818. I missed that on the first read-through too.

The point is that the 818 is expected to be faster than a challenge car on the track, at least properly equipped.......

[Silvertop]

I think the point was supposed to be that Jim is 100% involved in the Boothman Project, is one of the drivers, and has worked to make that car handle as well as it does. The lap time was set by John George behind the wheel, this years Nationals Champ and one of the guys you can race with on Forza :-). We need to keep in mind though that the Boothman car is not a Spec Legal Challange series car and I am not sure I would expect the 818 to compete with it on the track.

_Scott

I had forgotten that. The challenge car spec calls for a pretty much stock 302, doesn't it? -- Generating maybe 220HP -- a lot less than the 385 at the wheels the Boothman car has.

Still, a 400+HP 818R might be startling quick around a race track...........

[mhoward1]

I had forgotten that. The challenge car spec calls for a pretty much stock 302, doesn't it? -- Generating maybe 220HP -- a lot less than the 385 at the wheels the Boothman car has.

Still, a 400+HP 818R might be startling quick around a race track...........

The series got a 120 HP boost this year, along with better brakes, and revised front suspension geometry. We are between 4 - 7 seconds a lap faster every where we have gone this year compared to 2011.

[BS Mods]

I am sooooo excited about this car! I've restored musclecars for years and I wanted to do a GTM but was unsure of building a kit. The development of this car will allow me to get my feet wet. There is a new track being built down the street from me right now and I would LOVE to test it out. Thank you Dave for building a car that's affordable and promises to be loads of fun. If you ever see a guy at a track with a perma-grin that giggles loudly the whole race, that'd be me. I can't help it.

[wooward]

Plus, you have the savings for all of the tickets you won't get because you've secretly designed all radars to not pick up your build. That's what I'd do, either that or use the radar engineering knowledge to make my car stealth.

I drive a stealth car it seems. It's a 2000 Subaru Outback wagon. I swear cops can't see it. With our powers combined....

Lol. That 2000 Subaru Outback Wagon is more stealth than anything that I could design. They don't teach you that in school.


You know, if you are looking for a way to pay for your 818, you could come up with a new jammer technology, perhaps based upon the AEGIS system with a radar/laser component to detect any other radars or laser speed detectors within the spectrum range for a few hundred miles around the car, and then selectively jam them!! You could easily sell the transponder for enough money to cover more than a couple of 818s!!

And listen, don't ever feel like you are not fighting the good fight because you are a contractor and not in uniform. If it were not for the thousands of contractors providing us with the best and most capable weapons systems, we could not bring the fight to our enemies! Keep up the good work!!

Regards,

Steve

Steve, if you don't mind a jammer the size of your car and an antenna that's a mile high, then we could definitely make it work. Either that, or we go back to 330BC when the Earth was flat...

I'm pretty sure that the US makes the most capable weapon systems for our troops albeit not the cheapest... My test cables cost more than the 818. Milspec's not cheap ;)

[Mechie3]

Here's my train of thought:

It's Friday (score!)
It's payday (score!)
I'm bored (lame!)
There's no pictures on this page (lame!)

Solution: More Pictures!

[BipDBo]

Lol. That 2000 Subaru Outback Wagon is more stealth than anything that I could design. They don't teach you that in school.



Steve, if you don't mind a jammer the size of your car and an antenna that's a mile high, then we could definitely make it work. Either that, or we go back to 330BC when the Earth was flat...

I'm pretty sure that the US makes the most capable weapon systems for our troops albeit not the cheapest... My test cables cost more than the 818. Milspec's not cheap ;)

There's always this method:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcArnepkhv0
There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry: Lone Star!

[Someday I Suppose]

I think the car will be mighty quick for sure, no doubt about that, and I don't think you will need that much HP to get there. This thing should really be a blast to drive on the track.


I had forgotten that. The challenge car spec calls for a pretty much stock 302, doesn't it? -- Generating maybe 220HP -- a lot less than the 385 at the wheels the Boothman car has.

Still, a 400+HP 818R might be startling quick around a race track...........

[carbon fiber]

BipDBo, i plan on going plaid in my gtm! ( yes i'm a little bored too!)

[metalmaker12]

I have a feeling the pictures posted were from middle of the summer and they have much further progression than they are letting on. If they had to fit all the chassis and body parts prep, paint etc on two cars and set up a third with a motor etc, they are nearly done. I think they are in fact done with all three for Sema at the end of the month. It just makes sense to be 100% complete before such event and not beating your head till the last day.

[Silvertop]

I think the car will be mighty quick for sure, no doubt about that, and I don't think you will need that much HP to get there. This thing should really be a blast to drive on the track.

I agree completely. In fact, the application of mega horsepower to this car might make it faster around the track, but it will also almost certainly make it much harder to drive -- and thus easier to get in trouble -- at least for us ordinary humans.

I gotta believe that this thing would be a treat to drive on a race track even in stock NA form.

Although my personal 818 Roadster is probably not destined for any track time, it will be plenty fast for street OR track pushing maybe 200 flywheel HP out of a moderately tweaked NA engine. Once built, I want to spend my time driving mine -- not working on it!

[smoove7410]

^Agreed on most parts. I agree that they are old pics but think they are still finishing the builds. The pictures posted were to strum up interest prior to SEMA and get the forum moving again. I think there may be one more round of pictures and then the reveal at the end of this month.

[Silvertop]

I have a feeling the pictures posted were from middle of the summer and they have much further progression than they are letting on. If they had to fit all the chassis and body parts prep, paint etc on two cars and set up a third with a motor etc, they are nearly done. I think they are in fact done with all three for Sema at the end of the month. It just makes sense to be 100% complete before such event and not beating your head till the last day.

You might be right about that. Or not. Keep in mind that FFR's original (stated) intent was to come to SEMA only with the 818R track model. They added in the Roadster version only fairly recently. That suggests they are being cautious about promising more that they might be able to deliver.

We can really only speculate about how close they are to finishing all three representations. They might be virtually done already, or they could in fact be beating their heads against the wall right up to the last day.

One way or another, I'm guessing they will pull it off -- and I can't wait. I wish I could be there!

[dbjr63]

FYI, pic "818spyshotcockpit.jpg" was taken on 9.29.2012 at 12:34 PM (with a blackberry 9900)
pic project818spyphoto3.jpg was taken on 9.24.2012 at 2:47 PM (with a blackberry 9900) edit with photoshop 7.0
pic project818spyphoto5medium.jpg was taken on 9.15.2012 at 7:44 AM (with a blackberry 9900)
pic project818spyphotomedium.jpg was taken on 9.22.2012 at 7:51 AM (with a blackberry 9900)

whoevery is still using the blackberry, plesae upgrade to a smartphone. :)

[ncmcn]

FYI, pic "818spyshotcockpit.jpg" was taken on 9.29.2012 at 12:34 PM (with a blackberry 9900)
pic project818spyphoto3.jpg was taken on 9.24.2012 at 2:47 PM (with a blackberry 9900) edit with photoshop 7.0
pic project818spyphoto5medium.jpg was taken on 9.15.2012 at 7:44 AM (with a blackberry 9900)
pic project818spyphotomedium.jpg was taken on 9.22.2012 at 7:51 AM (with a blackberry 9900)

whoevery is still using the blackberry, plesae upgrade to a smartphone. :)

...says the only guy in the world using a Windows Phone! :D

[David Hodgkins]

I'm still workin' my connections for more info. As soon as I get any I'll pass it along...

:)

[flytosail]

I have a feeling the pictures posted were from middle of the summer and they have much further progression than they are letting on. If they had to fit all the chassis and body parts prep, paint etc on two cars and set up a third with a motor etc, they are nearly done. I think they are in fact done with all three for Sema at the end of the month. It just makes sense to be 100% complete before such event and not beating your head till the last day.

I would be finishing it on the truck on the way to the show. For me, procrastination is an artform.

[riptide motorsport]

Me too!!!

[Silvertop]

Me too!!!

And me three!!!:D

[D2W]

I would be finishing it on the truck on the way to the show. For me, procrastination is an artform.

According to reality TV that's the only way its done.

[Someday I Suppose]

Agree 100%, what do they say, its more fun to drive a slow car fast then it is to drive a fast car slow. :-)


I agree completely. In fact, the application of mega horsepower to this car might make it faster around the track, but it will also almost certainly make it much harder to drive -- and thus easier to get in trouble -- at least for us ordinary humans.

I gotta believe that this thing would be a treat to drive on a race track even in stock NA form.

Although my personal 818 Roadster is probably not destined for any track time, it will be plenty fast for street OR track pushing maybe 200 flywheel HP out of a moderately tweaked NA engine. Once built, I want to spend my time driving mine -- not working on it!

[Someday I Suppose]

It would make sense to be 100% done well before the event, but I'd be willing to bet my roadster that its not the case. Keep in mind it was Dave who came up with the very exciting idea to bring 3 cars to SEMA. While I am sure Jim agreed it was a fantastic idea, I am pretty sure there is going to be plenty of head beating right up to the last minute.


I have a feeling the pictures posted were from middle of the summer and they have much further progression than they are letting on. If they had to fit all the chassis and body parts prep, paint etc on two cars and set up a third with a motor etc, they are nearly done. I think they are in fact done with all three for Sema at the end of the month. It just makes sense to be 100% complete before such event and not beating your head till the last day.

[NonProfit]

Agree 100%, what do they say, its more fun to drive a slow car fast then it is to drive a fast car slow. :-)

Awhile back there was a thread focused on this. I'm not wanting to hijack this one, so if anyone want to muse what would make a fun street car, please weigh in: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?6053-What-makes-a-fun-818

[BS Mods]

The suspense of seeing them complete is driving me insane. I will be refreshing this page every 5 minutes during SEMA......

[2KWIK4U]

The suspense of seeing them complete is driving me insane. I will be refreshing this page every 5 minutes during SEMA......

Me too!

Danny

[Flamshackle]

Have we got someone that is going to sema with a good phone camera and a commitment to uploading during the event?

[David Hodgkins]

Have we got someone that is going to sema with a good phone camera and a commitment to uploading during the event?

Present and accounted for.

:)

[JRach]

Still trying to finalize my travel plans for the fall...
Tickets/hotel for F1 races in Austin are booked, now I just need to pull the trigger on the Vegas trip for SEMA! :)

CANT wait to see this thing in person and get my order in!

[David]

According to reality TV that's the only way its done.

According to reality, thats the way it is most of the time. :D


Agree 100%, what do they say, its more fun to drive a slow car fast then it is to drive a fast car slow. :-)



Hmmm... I think thats why I sold the GTM !

David

[shim2]

Still trying to finalize my travel plans for the fall...
Tickets/hotel for F1 races in Austin are booked, now I just need to pull the trigger on the Vegas trip for SEMA! :)

CANT wait to see this thing in person and get my order in!

You lucky SOB. I'm not able to travel to the race this year!

[flytosail]

According to reality TV that's the only way its done.

I always like the shows where one of the guys is starting on a drywall project (or something like that) when the host checks in on him, "We will check back with Steve later." Then the host goes off to where they make the drywall and then comes back to Steve just finishing up the drywall project like it took ten minutes to do.

[timmy318]

12326

[WasAWrx]

Present and accounted for.

:)
Thank you sir:cool:

[danpellow]

WOW..... There will be a major responsibilty resting on the shoulders of the SEMA attendees.......

The rest of us want PHOTOS.... Tons of photos. Pack extra batteries and memory cards, please.<LOL>

John

I guess that means I should take my camera.......

[danpellow]

According to reality, thats the way it is most of the time. :D



Hmmm... I think thats why I sold the GTM !

David

I agree.....it took all the self control that I could muster to keep it under 75 on the freeway.

[FFR-ADV]

Hmmm... I think thats why I sold the GTM !David

Hi David,

How would you build an 818 for yourself?

Cheers!

[David]

Hi David,

How would you build an 818 for yourself?

Cheers!

How would I build it..? Stock street car with the colored body panels and a nice 250-300 HP turbo motor. I have yet to have a turbo powered sports car, and have really wanted one. Whats remarkable about this car, is one can build a car for well under 20k and at that price I wouldnt feel like its got to be perfect and you could pound on it without guilt.


Up until now I had been back and forth about building one due to styling until this thread and Daves new pics :D. Athstetics are just as important as whats under the skin for me. The mechanicals I have nevered worried about. Ive known Jim for well over a decade and have talked with him about this project several times. He is a super solid engineer and have been nothing but impressed with how he has gone about designing the car. From what Ive seen, the chassis etc is beautiful. Chassis and suspension is kind of a hobby of mine and while Im no expert, Ive been really impressed with his work and how he has gone about things.

Ive been a fan of the rear bodywork of FFR's design from early on, but not as much of the front. Dave Smith promised hair on fire styling. Honestly, now I think they delivered. With the release of the new pictures our good man David H has posted.... it...welll... lit my hair on fire. and Im stoked how the whole shape has turned out.

Historically the FFR cars have had a good presence in pictures but a killer presence in person. The GTM was that way. I wasnt blown away with the pictures but about crapped my pants when seeing it complete for the first time at knotts. I was first in line and ended up building one that I had for about 4 years.(the GTM my good friend danpellow above is refering to) :D

At least from my perspective, the pictures that have been posted on this thread have really fired me up, so I suspect seeing it in person at SEMA in a couple weeks will be that much better. Honestly its pissin me off(hehehe), because Im still knee deep in my current build so cant move on one till thats complete. It will between this and another car that makes me tingle, a long nose 911 hotrod. :D

David

[FFR-ADV]

Thanks for the detailed reply David!

I have followed your builds with interest for years. The 818 has been the car I have been waiting to build. I am a little torn between a straight 818 street build and tweaking the race frame to give it working doors and a passenger seat and windshield. Perhaps a bolt on brace across the rear shock mounts (like aftermarket strut braces) could potentially replace the lateral brace which would interfere with the passenger seat. Central braces could extend between the seats parallel to the side tubes. It may no longer be a certified race frame but might serve my plans for fun with a extra measure of protection.
The picture of the 818r frame is a work of art. I expect the body is going to have a racing presence like a Lotus 211 but maybe more aggressive. Like you, I look forward to photos but will not be at SEMA and will have to wait until it gets back to the Northeast. I am fortunate to live within a couple hour's drive from FFR.
Perhaps FFR will consider a post SEMA coming out party / victory lap (perhaps in a few places across the US on its way back home) so we can experience the 818 in person and congratulate/ thank Jim and the entire team personally.

Cheers!

[Mechie3]

Hi David,

How would you build an 818 for yourself?

Cheers!

With tools? ;)

[David]

With tools? ;)

Yeah, that too... :D

[Wayne Presley]

The car looks amazing. I have a Lotus 211 in the shop right now and was just commenting on how simple it's design is how much fun it would be if it was street legal. I think the 818R is just as good looking. The 211 on my dyno made 210 RWHP and weighed 1633 with about 1/2 tank of gas on my scales (35.5%fr, 64.5%rr). The 818 will be supremely fun with 300 RWHP.

[FFR-ADV]

With tools? ;)

Place tools in shop
Add money
Place donor in shop
Add money
Place kit in shop
Add money
Stir, but do not shake

Say magic words and Presto out comes an 818:rolleyes:

Cheers!

[FFR-ADV]

Magic word is "MasterCard"

Can use substitute Visa or Discover

[Kalstar]

I was able to see the 818 in person last week, I can confirm that the pictures posted were real time. They had 4 people working on the cars and they looked just like the pics posted. It will be a race to the finish.

[Oppenheimer]

Perhaps FFR will consider a post SEMA coming out party / victory lap (perhaps in a few places across the US on its way back home) so we can experience the 818 in person and congratulate/ thank Jim and the entire team personally.

That sounds like an excellent idea! Seems like it would take some doing to coordinate though, and it sounds like FFR has their hands full just getting it all to SEMA in time. Maybe even if they just had such a gathering at the FFR facilities once it gets back home? Not everyone would get to see it, but many would, more pics, more opinions here.

If people hear from those whose opinions they respect that it looks better in person than even in pics, that will be very useful to the overall community here on 818 HoF.

[David]

Place tools in shop
Add money
Place donor in shop
Add money
Place kit in shop
Add money
Stir, but do not shake

Say magic words and Presto out comes an 818:rolleyes:

Cheers!

Thats true of the GTM. ;). But with the 818 you should be able to remove 2 of those 'money's'. :D

David

[STI4WRC]

Hopefully they will show the cars outside SEMA for us "common/un-connected" people. Maybe have a showing-get together in Vegas before or after the show, and then a few places on the way back home to the East Coast. I would fly down to check them out. It beats having to fly clear to the East Coast for a viewing. I think they should also get an invite to the Ultima Street Car Challenge out at Spring Mountain Motorsports Park the day after SEMA, provided the cars are track ready and up for the challenge. But then again is it fair to bring a $20,000 car to clean up on the competition? HELL YES!!!! I plan on trying the local challenge once the coupe model comes out, when ever that might be. I'm just not a fan of roadsters and I like a roof over my head on my track cars. So I guess I will have to wait a while for my 818 coupe. By the way I still vote for the Vantage design for the coupe model. Please, Please, Please

[Someday I Suppose]

Are you kidding me? Borden just gives the parts an angry look and they line up and drop into place. Suggesting David needs tools to build a car is like suggesting that Chuck Norris needs a key to open a door!


With tools? ;)

[G_Hodgkins]

are you kidding me? Borden just gives the parts an angry look and they line up and drop into place. Suggesting david needs tools to build a car is like suggesting that chuck norris needs a key to open a door!

hahahahahahaha

[David Hodgkins]

So, anybody interested in a small update?

:)

[Martin]

I suggest you post the small update before a mob forms outside your house!


So, anybody interested in a small update?

:)

[flynntuna]

I'd drive to Vegas Fri. or Sat. if there was a FFR event to showcase the cars. Don't know if Dave can spare the time , getting the 818 out on time for sale is the highest priority. I'm sure we'll see the 818 at Huntington Beach and possibly the kit car show in Pomona next spring.

[JAubin]

So, anybody interested in a small update?

:)

Is everyone viewing this board feverishly hitting refresh right now?

[Hint: Yes :D]

[2KWIK4U]

So, anybody interested in a small update?

:)

I'm still waiting!!!! :)

Danny

[David Hodgkins]

Remember, I said SMALL update.

The 818R will be returning from paint tomorrow and will go through final assembly next week. The 818 Street assembly is coming along well and is on schedule to be ready for SEMA. FFR plans to release photos both on their site and on this one to coincide with the SEMA unveiling.

I am still working on getting additional spy shots before then, possibly next week.

The body panel work continues. Because of the small size of the panels, even if the first 818s are released with traditional fiberglass/gelcoat, there will be NO SEAMS and will look good with a simple and and buff.

I know it's not much of and update, but FFR's priority right now - as you can imagine - is staying on track for SEMA. I'll continue to report any info I can in the meantime.

:)

[cyderus]

wheres pomona

I'd drive to Vegas Fri. or Sat. if there was a FFR event to showcase the cars. Don't know if Dave can spare the time , getting the 818 out on time for sale is the highest priority. I'm sure we'll see the 818 at Huntington Beach and possibly the kit car show in Pomona next spring.

[David]

Are you kidding me? Borden just gives the parts an angry look and they line up and drop into place. Suggesting David needs tools to build a car is like suggesting that Chuck Norris needs a key to open a door!

hah... Every time I walk in the shop, I just hope I dont drop another engine on my finger! :D

[Wayne Presley]

Are you kidding me? Borden just gives the parts an angry look and they line up and drop into place. Suggesting David needs tools to build a car is like suggesting that Chuck Norris needs a key to open a door!

Now that is the post of the month!

[flynntuna]

Pomona Ca is east of LA near the 15 fwy, they hold the annual kit car show at the Pomona fairgrounds the same fairgrounds where the hot rod museum is and where the Grand National Roadster show is held.

[cyderus]

ty. ill have to keep that in mind i got family out there i could always stay with them

[FFR-ADV]

Thats true of the GTM. ;). But with the 818 you should be able to remove 2 of those 'money's'. :D

David

Hi David,

Agreed, might even be three fewer big ticket cost savings over the GTM (which is a really great car)

1/2 the kit price
No Porsche Transaxle (second donor)
No bodywork / paint required.

I am pumped to get an 818 into my garage!

Cheers!

[FFR-ADV]

hah... Every time I walk in the shop, I just hope I dont drop another engine on my finger! :D

Ouch!!!

My youngest brother worked for a cabinet maker who had the moto "skin grows back, wood doesn't"

[cyderus]

i know wrong thread but couldnt find. has it been confirmed that the h6 will work or not? ty

[wallace18]

No it won't.

[Benji]

Yes it maybe ;)

[PhyrraM]

The H6 is not officially supported by FFR at this time.

The newer H6s (2000+) are anticipated to fit by the community. The caveot is that the H6 never came (in North America) with a manual transmission - meaning it will be harder electrically to implement.

[flynntuna]

Any guess on how many hours the drive to Vegas is from Mass. ? Any history of people driving escort along the way?

[RM1SepEx]

40-45 hours 2700-2800 miles, depends on route and speed... I've done portions on both ends but never that exact trip

[Xusia]

Any guess on how many hours the drive to Vegas is from Mass. ? Any history of people driving escort along the way?

Google Maps is your friend:

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Wareham,+MA&daddr=Las+Vegas,+NV&hl=en&sll=41.761451,-70.719734&sspn=0.182851,0.291481&geocode=Fas6fQIdCufI-ylptr4sp8bkiTEjSKGUpiv0mQ%3BFdYQJwIdMJoi-SnRffWkgre-gDGjebPV5tXMOg&oq=las+&t=h&mra=ls&z=4

You can simply drag the route line to any road/hwy you want to use and it will update the mileage and estimated time on the fly.

Have fun!

[David Hodgkins]

I just got an email. The good kind.

:D

[RSxx]

and what does it say?

[Oppenheimer]

The kind with pics?

[David Hodgkins]

It says YOU GOT PICS! Good emails always have pics.

Here's the first of two. It's of the nose with mounted headlights, being carried over to the chassis for installation:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12381&d=1350330606

:)

[mhoward1]

He inherited a million dollars from a long lost relative in Zimbabwe

[David Hodgkins]

Here is a more interesting shot...

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12382&d=1350330608

:)

[shim2]

LOVE the blue. Damn, that's nice.

[wallace18]

I was going to build a red 818. I may now build a blue one. That looks great!

[Gary in NJ]

Is there more car? Come on already...

[MK4]

This thread is killing m'y nerves!!!! Let's see it allready. :p. Keep the pics comming, i'm definitively Hooked!!!!!


Mk4

[shim2]

Here's the first of two.

By the way you worded that it leads me to believe you have more.

[flynntuna]

That blue is great, however the CFO doesn't like it or yellow or orange . She wants a darker blue or grey. Whats a guy to do?

[mhoward1]

This car would look great in a Colbalt gray or a Dark smokey color

[David Hodgkins]

I was going to build a red 818. I may now build a blue one. That looks great!

You're in luck! The street 818 at SEMA will be Red.


Is there more car? Come on already...


By the way you worded that it leads me to believe you have more.

I'm sorry if the post was ambiguous. You guys now have the latest pics. As soon as I pry more out from FFR, you'll be the first to know!

:)

[Sultan]

I don't believe the street version will be red! The only proof I will allow is more pictures!

[Benji]

In around two weeks you will all know everything.... have patience :)

[NicksPapaw]

You know David, your thread takes me back to my teens, being led to the back of the bleachers by the easy girl just to get a peek. Of course, once you get a peek you want to see the whole thing! That is one SEXY automobile. :)

[riptide motorsport]

here is a more interesting shot...

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12382&d=1350330608

:)


oohhhhh! Stunning!!!

[Chopped34]

anyone notice the polished louvered vent panel hanging on the wall in the background?

[metalmaker12]

This is getting my blood pressure up, I like the blue, red any color in that car is cool but, "I HOPE THAT IS A CHOICE COLOR DAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I MEAN IT IS A SUBARU AT HEART, SO SOMETHING WR BLUE WOULD BE FITTING HINT HINT" PLEASE!!!!

[Silvertop]

Very, very nice!!

[gwader]

Yes! Any chance you guys at FF will come to LA for a show and tell after SEMA? Since your just down the road hmmmmmm.

[timmy318]

Well, I thought I was set on a matte-black and silver but damn does this blue look nice!!!!! If you hear about a guy having a heart-attack while drooling over his computer you'll know who it is people, just saying..... ;)

[Benji]

anyone notice the polished louvered vent panel hanging on the wall in the background?

That looks like a GTM part.

[Gus]

Well, I thought I was set on a matte-black and silver

I thought of a matte gray-matte balck highlights combo as well, the only prob I see is getting run over by a Yukon or a F350 that doesn't see you.

[longislandwrx]

The scoop that feeds the intercooler looks great too, should take in plenty of air. I was wondering how they'd tie it all in.

[WIS89]

You're in luck! The street 818 at SEMA will be Red.





I'm sorry if the post was ambiguous. You guys now have the latest pics. As soon as I pry more out from FFR, you'll be the first to know!

:)

Please Sir, can I have some more...?

WOW, what a seriously SEXY car!!!

Like most of you all, I can't wait to see the final version(s)!! Go Factory Five GO!!! You all ROCK!

I know the kind of hours you all must be putting in to get these beauties done in time. I had a friend who co-opted a phrase that said "You can sleep when you're dead." I actually prefer to look at it from the customer point of view, and how many people who are chomping at the bit to see your hard work! You all hang in there, and I bet that the reactions you get from folks may just make up for the lost hours of sleep. Keep fighting!!

Regards,

Steve

[Mechie3]

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12382&d=1350330608

:)


I know the kind of hours you all must be putting in to get these beauties done in time.

Nah, they're slackers. Check out that guy just leaning on the car! ;)

Is that in fact a scoop where teh passenger seat would be? I like that.

[TCL1999]

You know, there are times in your life when you think "What the hell am I doing sitting in a cubicle when I could be doing this!".........Now would be one of those times.

[Mechie3]

You know, there are times in your life when you think "What the hell am I doing sitting in a cubicle when I could be doing this!".........Now would be one of those times.

I've thought often about that. I wonder how much some of those guys make. I rebuilt/built my fmod last winter, plan to do an 818 this year, have done fistfuls of other projects and certainly have the ability to do something like that for a living.

My catch22 has always been my job pays enough that it's not sensible to take the risk and ditch the cubicle, and a majority of "my" fabrication tools (lathe, cnc's, etc) aren't mine, but benefits of where I work. If I leave work, I leave my salary but can do whatever I want, but if I leave I lose most of my tools and I don't have the cash to buy CNC's and a building to put them in right now.

Sure, I'm not a self made millionaire, but solidly in the upper middle class. Maybe when/if I move (my wife wants to) I'll give it a shot? We'll see. It'd be fun to build 818's and other cars for a living.

[LS1RX7owen]

You know, there are times in your life when you think "What the hell am I doing sitting in a cubicle when I could be doing this!".........Now would be one of those times.I've thought about that! I'd love to have a huge shop that swap in LS1-T56's into anything and everything, keeping it simple and stock looking, but its hard to sell cars for what it takes to build them, so there is no money in that business. its a bummer too, I'd be a happy guy working 60 hours a week trying to shoehorn those into all sorts of cars and getting better at it every year.

great pics of the front, but I want more more more!
cant wait to see it dropped on the ground and driving around!!!!!!!!!

[NonProfit]

I work for myself and have been doing so for the last five years. By doing good work, treating people well, and communicating clearly, I've found many folks more than willing to pay a high hourly rate to work with me. However, I don't need expensive equipment or a dedicated work space. Also, it took about me two years before I began to make real money.

However, I think it would be extremely difficult to assemble these cars full-time. The number of folks who want this type of car is a small percentage of the population and of those (I'm guessing) the overwhelming majority want to screw them together themselves. However, if you could secure bread and butter income, it sure would be fun to get paid for an occasional FFR build.

[WonderDude]

Can you guys imagine that blue with gold DRAG DR-31s...
12393

[TCL1999]

I work for myself and have been doing so for the last five years. By doing good work, treating people well, and communicating clearly, I've found many folks more than willing to pay a high hourly rate to work with me. However, I don't need expensive equipment or a dedicated work space. Also, it took about me two years before I began to make real money.

However, I think it would be extremely difficult to assemble these cars full-time. The number of folks who want this type of car is a small percentage of the population and of those (I'm guessing) the overwhelming majority want to screw them together themselves. However, if you could secure bread and butter income, it sure would be fun to get paid for an occasional FFR build.

I was thinking more along the lines of either:

A) Go to work for Factory Five so I can be part of designing/testing/playing with cars all day long (Although I'm sure the FFR guys would laugh at my fictionalized simplification of their jobs)

or

B) Winning the lottery so I can build cars like the 818 all day long...for myself. :)

[Xusia]

My catch22 has always been my job pays enough that it's not sensible to take the risk and ditch the cubicle.

I've got the same problem. I'd love to do something with motorcycles or skiing for a living, but I can't think of anything in those areas that pay even close to what I make now (at least not that I am capable of doing). My job has fringe benefits as well, and it's fun at times as well, so it only makes sense to stick with it.

[MiniVanMan]

My catch22 has always been my job pays enough that it's not sensible to take the risk and ditch the cubicle, and a majority of "my" fabrication tools (lathe, cnc's, etc) aren't mine, but benefits of where I work. If I leave work, I leave my salary but can do whatever I want, but if I leave I lose most of my tools and I don't have the cash to buy CNC's and a building to put them in right now.



My wife and I have been discussing this for awhile now. Both of us have good paying jobs, in well respected careers, but generally would rather be doing something else. Something else, pretty much falls into the realm of utilizing current skill sets on our own terms. Pretty much a dream everybody has. What I equate this particularly "first world" problem to is a coinage used by a local sports radio station called "basketball hell" (referring to the NBA).

"Basketball hell" is reserved for the middle tier teams. You have three categories of teams, top, middle and bottom tier. Top tier teams usually have a superstar or two. Not just really good players, but they have a superstar. Bottom tier teams have average players, and no superstar, but maybe one "good" player. The middle is the middle. Now, the way the draft is set up for the NBA is that the bottom tier teams compete in a lottery for high draft picks. So, it's actually the bottom tier teams that have the best opportunity to acquire the next big superstar. The top tier teams already have their superstar. The middle teams can't compete for the new talent, and if they want to improve they have to risk A LOT of money on an aging superstar that has decided to move on from a team.

The middle tier teams can perennially make the playoffs. They don't compete for championships though. The bottom tier teams, have a quicker, and often times, cheaper route to a championship than the middle tier.

The point is, when you're just good enough, your risk to reward is MUCH higher. Everything is a gamble when you risk rocking the boat.

In a case like mine, I have a well paying job. I'm not sure I have a "good" job though. Same with my wife. Hence the discussions, and hence me forming an analogy to explain it.

[PhyrraM]

My wife and I have been discussing this for awhile now. Both of us have good paying jobs, in well respected careers, but generally would rather be doing something else. Something else, pretty much falls into the realm of utilizing current skill sets on our own terms. Pretty much a dream everybody has. What I equate this particularly "first world" problem to is a coinage used by a local sports radio station called "basketball hell" (referring to the NBA).

"Basketball hell" is reserved for the middle tier teams. You have three categories of teams, top, middle and bottom tier. Top tier teams usually have a superstar or two. Not just really good players, but they have a superstar. Bottom tier teams have average players, and no superstar, but maybe one "good" player. The middle is the middle. Now, the way the draft is set up for the NBA is that the bottom tier teams compete in a lottery for high draft picks. So, it's actually the bottom tier teams that have the best opportunity to acquire the next big superstar. The top tier teams already have their superstar. The middle teams can't compete for the new talent, and if they want to improve they have to risk A LOT of money on an aging superstar that has decided to move on from a team.

The middle tier teams can perennially make the playoffs. They don't compete for championships though. The bottom tier teams, have a quicker, and often times, cheaper route to a championship than the middle tier.

The point is, when you're just good enough, your risk to reward is MUCH higher. Everything is a gamble when you risk rocking the boat.

In a case like mine, I have a well paying job. I'm not sure I have a "good" job though. Same with my wife. Hence the discussions, and hence me forming an analogy to explain it.

Just following your analogy....You risk it. The worst case is you become a bottom tier team for a while until you land your big superstar in the draft. Doing nothing will never net a championship. (assuming a championship is the goal, per your analogy. In the real world, cashflow is the real goal and team owners are more worried about cashflow than actual championships. It's just that championships bring cashflow.)

[wallace18]

How did we go from pictures of the 818 to basketball analogies?

[NonProfit]

How did we go from pictures of the 818 to basketball analogies?
Because we all know the 818 is going to be a grand slam?

[timmy318]

Now looking at the 818 I've decided to redo my whole entire paint scheme...... Love that blue and add some black onto it and we're off! I'm looking at wheels around like this:12394

[0100]

Looking great , keep up the hard work guys!!

[zzospreyzz55]

I have to say... this car is looking way better in actual photos than it did in the first CAD images! Exciting to see its incarnation at SEMA come to fruition.

[Turboguy]

How did we go from pictures of the 818 to basketball analogies?


Because we all know the 818 is going to be a grand slam?


......and from basketball analogies right on to baseball ones :)

[NonProfit]

......and from basketball analogies right on to baseball ones :)
Oh yeah, basketball, I should have said "touchdown!"

[PhyrraM]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaL!