818 SEMA Update WITH PICS!

[Movieman]

Goes on full cardiac support....

[Sultan]

Po Leaze! Show the street version:-)

[flynntuna]

Looks like the street version will be in gelcoat.

[Mechie3]

Im guessing they're only showing the R version because its going to the monitor booth. The roadster is for their booth and will be saved for later.

[Sultan]

It feels like later is already here:-)

[Movieman]

David better hurry up..Time is slipping away!
http://imageshack.us/a/img211/8836/lifesupport.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/211/lifesupport.png/)

[Rockraven]

First glimpse of the dashboard! I like what I see.

[Rockraven]

Is STR-3 the class it will be racing in? Is this a new class for the 818... if not, what cars will it be competing with?

[David Hodgkins]

Looks like the street version will be in gelcoat.

I think that's a good idea on FFR's part. It show how nice the "raw" body finish will be. And I'm sure the paintless panels will be even better!

OK last shot. I'm not sure I should be posting this one, as DS want's to keep the 818S under wraps. BTW he is VERY STOKED over the way the 818S turned out! In the interest of full disclosure I can say I've seen a pic of the 818S but was told NOT to post it! :( You guys will not be disappointed!

I digress...

Here's a shot of the 818R rear quarter panel, showing the wing. Pay no mind to the car in the background! Oh, and the leg to the left? One of the visitors to FFR got his first look at the 818R and feinted on the spot. Don't worry, he's OK! ;) :D

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-6.jpg

:)

[flynntuna]

The side view shows the pin for the rear hatch near the drivers shoulder. does this mean to fill gas on the R version the hatch is removed? Also raises questions about how this is done on the street version. Possibily something differnt? Dare I say Targa?

[rjh2pd]

Ohh... the wing is in the way of the 818s roof :( Looks great so far!!

[David Hodgkins]

Just to recap:
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-1.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-2.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-3.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-4.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-5.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-6.jpg

:)

[Jon A]

The 818R looks fantastic!! I hope some day I can squeeze it into my garage, budget and schedule... it would look great next to my Mk III. Perhaps I can convince my wife that she needs a zippy little convertible. She can even choose the paint color (within reason).

Congratulations to FFR for such an awesome design and amazing execution. People are going to be beating down their doors for this one... I wouldn't be at all surprised if this quickly becomes their best seller. There is a big fan base for Subarus and the price point is within reach of that demographic. Great job!!

I can't wait to see the street version!! It will be interesting to see how the press reacts as SEMA.

-Jon A.

[Rockraven]

12473

[Rockraven]

Only thing missing is "Powered By Subaru" next to the HP logo.

[Rockraven]

Anyone see a resemblance to the Lotus Evora dash with the 818 one? I like it and on first impression really suits the car.

[flynntuna]

The dash does suit the car, "form follows function"

[timmy318]

still can't believe that they can offer this kit for only $10K

[Rockraven]

The quality of the panel fitment and seams is simply stunning. Better than many factory cars and lightyears beyond any other kit car.

[Doc_FFR]

Wheels are only painted on one side?

[Rockraven]

This folks, is how you revolutionize an industry. Dave and team set the bar in the stratosphere.

[Rockraven]

The quality of the panel fitment and seams is simply stunning. Better than many factory cars and lightyears beyond any other kit car.

Looks like it, which is a great idea for the show car. I prefer the aluminum ones and it's great to see both options on the car.

[flynntuna]

A fair price, the simpilest design to date, sure to have a simple interior. I'm sure lots of options will be avail. from seats to tops ect.

[Maximus]

Exactly, for a fully spec'd street car that is well-appointed I would expect to add another $5k worth of options. Maybe a targa? :-)

[Leturnracing]

Wow!

[ClemsonS197]

Looks like GTM wheels and GTM wing? Do I see parts sharing?

Now how am I supposed to justify owning two 2-seat FFR's to the wife and kids?

[Sultan]

Just tell her that the 818 will great better mileage and you are doing it for the planet.

[timmy318]

Just tell her that the 818 will great better mileage and you are doing it for the planet.

haha!

[Mechie3]

It looks like an off the shelf apr wing, maybe the gtc 300. I like it from the front, from the side rear view shown im not as big a fan. Still wonder if you need a foot stool to get in and out. Or if the door opens and there's a frame member to step on.

[timmy318]

It looks like an off the shelf apr wing, maybe the gtc 300. I like it from the front, from the side rear view shown im not as big a fan. Still wonder if you need a foot stool to get in and out. Or if the door opens and there's a frame member to step on.

When I look at the side view of the 818R I see that the front part of the door is curved, as to suggest that it can move. Also, the door is it's own sperate panel so even if they don't offer the door access I'm pretty sure it could be moderately easily done

[Mechie3]

Its likely the R and roadster share door panels. Its just a matter of is there a spot for a hinge and room for it to swing open.

[Flamshackle]

Oh wow.

This is simply stunning! I liked it in the renderings but this takes it to a whole new level.
I love how low the front hood lays so low and I cant wait to see the road version.


Thanks for the sneak peaks all :D

[Rockraven]

It looks like an off the shelf apr wing, maybe the gtc 300. I like it from the front, from the side rear view shown im not as big a fan. Still wonder if you need a foot stool to get in and out. Or if the door opens and there's a frame member to step on.

I'm the opposite. I love the rear 3/4 view in the last picture. This is where they nailed it. I'm good with the front end though... I can live with it.

[Kwizatz-haderah]

They nailed it as far as I'm concerned. I'm definitely building one & once I showed this thread to my uncle, he also just committed to scrap his next upcoming car project to build one of these two. Bring on the pics of the street version!

[flytosail]

I already have my vanity plate on hold = IBLTTHIS


Hope that you are not in a blue state.

[flytosail]

Great teaser photo of the street version.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Did anyone notice the STR on the side.
Is that the SCCA class this will compete in?
This is what i found on STR

Street Touring Class R (STR)
Class requirements and restrictions:
-Only those cars listed below are eligible


Eligible vehicles are:
-Honda S2000
-Mazda Miata (except Mazdaspeed)
-Mazda MX5 Miata (’06-‘09)
-Toyota MR2 (non S/C, non-turbo)
-Toyota MR2 Spyder
-BMW Z3 (non-M)
-BMW Z4 (non-M, non-turbo)
-BMW M Coupe & M Roadster (1998 to 2000)
-Mazda RX7 (non-turbo)
-Porsche 924 & 944 (non-turbo)
-Porsche 911 (1984 to 1989 Carrera 3.2)
-Porsche 968
-Pontiac Solstice (non-turbo)
-Saturn Sky (non-turbo)
-Datsun 240Z & 260Z & 280Z & 280ZX (non-turbo)
-Nissan 350Z

Bob

[JBsLGT]

STR-3 is a NASA racing class. It'll probably end up in D-Mod for SCCA autox.

[David Hodgkins]

Just got ahold of another shot, this one of the interior of the 818R. I'm on the road so ad soon as I get home I'll post it...

:)

[timmy318]

Just got ahold of another shot, this one of the interior of the 818R. I'm on the road so ad soon as I get home I'll post it...

:)

The one time I'm about to get out of cell-reception.......

[Mechie3]

I'm the opposite. I love the rear 3/4 view in the last picture. This is where they nailed it. I'm good with the front end though... I can live with it.

I meant I didn't like the wing from that view. Everything else is great.

[0100]

Like a BOSS! Can't wait to built one of these.

The rear wheels sit perfect, but I would see if you can get some spacers on the front to flush it out like the back for sema.

[RM1SepEx]

STR-3 is a NASA racing class. It'll probably end up in D-Mod for SCCA autox.
EMod... for a turbo 2 liter + Engine displacement x 1.4 for turbo

[David Hodgkins]

OK here's a shot of the 818R interior. Remember, this is the R version, so if it's not needed for racing, it's not there:
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-7.jpg

:)

[Maximus]

Clean and simple, I like it. Now, is that gauge cluster digital?

[Sultan]

ok here's a shot of the 818r interior. Remember, this is the r version, so if it's not needed for racing, it's not there:
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/spyshot818r-7.jpg

:)

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[BS Mods]

WoW!! I don't check in for a few days and come back to 5 pages! I knew something big must have happened right away.

This is completely awesome. This looks like an incredibly fun car to drive and will definitely get some respect. Great job guys.


When I was young I used to sneak into movie theaters, SEMA can't be much different right? Who's with me? :cool:

[Silvertop]

Just drop-dead stunning! Can't wait to see the street version!

It may not be very original, but I think I can see myself using the same basic blue and white color scheme on my street roadster, even if it means throwing a little white paint......... WOW!

[Etos]

Clean and simple, I like it. Now, is that gauge cluster digital?

Looks like that's just plastic they didn't cut out for the factory gauge cluster. It's definitely shaped to fit a factory one.

[Gary in NJ]

Out-freeking-standing!

I can't wait to see it in the flesh.

[anthonyb]

Dear FFR,
You guys are frkn awesome! Lol!

[metalmaker12]

OMG I just had a very good dream..........that's is a wicked hot ride,,,, DAVE, where do I sign

(Dave) important Question: Is the street version going to have wipers, in R.I all motor vehicles have to have working wipers.

[GUNS]

I'm really hoping that the 818 aero bits will be available as options for the street version. I'm assuming that they will. I'd love to make a kinda 818SR, a combo of both.

[wallace18]

WoW! I was at Biketoberfest and look at what happens. The car is so awesome! Dave and all at FFR take a bow. You hit it out of the country with this one. I hope my wait on the list is not so long my donor parts rust up waiting. LOL.

[timmy318]

I'm really hoping that the 818 aero bits will be available as options for the street version. I'm assuming that they will. I'd love to make a kinda 818SR, a combo of both.

I'm with you on that! I'm praying that that splitter/diffuser is on the 818S! The wing, I like it, but I'm probably going to go aftermarket on it though.

[mhoward1]

How tall is Jason?

[timmy318]

Hopefully he's around 6 ft. 2 in. Also, Dave H or S or anyone with knowledge, could you guys be so kind and release some type of measurements for the cockpit(legroom, height, etc...)

[smoove7410]

I like it. The side mirrors need to be changed to something more streamlined to match the rear view mirror, but overall, nice.

Curious, why so much secrecy around the street version? Aren't the only differences the windshield, interior and rollbar?

[Slatt]

Clean and simple, I like it. Now, is that gauge cluster digital?

One of the switches is labled "IQ3", which is a display from RacePak and is shaped like that cluster.

[timmy318]

Curious, why so much secrecy around the street version? Aren't the only differences the windshield, interior and rollbar?

I don't think so. I think that there's a bit of a surprise in the 818S! Then again, maybe not. But, what's a few days gonna hurt us??? :p

[fact5racer]

Looks like that's just plastic they didn't cut out for the factory gauge cluster. It's definitely shaped to fit a factory one.

There's gonna be an AIM dash unit put in the 818R for SEMA. Pretty sure the stock guage cluster fits in that void for the street version

[Dave Smith]

I'm glad you guys like the progress we are making. The questions are SUPER helpful as I am updating the website to coincide with the SEMA launch. This project has been managed in the most professional way and the crew have all done truly exceptional work. Jim's leadership on the design and Jespers direct engineering supported by HP and Jeremy at Solidworks has been fun to watch. The company, now freed with singular vision (mine) is making great progress and the design maturity is evident.

We wrote clear design goals to guide this project and we've stuck to them with fanatical dedication. The price point target is intact and the only challenge will be to make money (or rename the company the Mother Theresa Institute for automotive development)

We are now entering the third and final phase of testing, pre-production, and release of the car. We will release the street version first (I like the 818 nomenclature as we've all gotten used to it) and have more detailed answers to your questions. I've asked Dave Hodgkins for a very big favor, and that is to collect ALL of your questions and bullet list them so that we can both answer them directly here, but also importantly include the information in the web release.

Notes: Options are an important part of the 818S and 818R programs. Partner company have already stepped up with great brakes, shocks, carbon parts, in-house parts and our clear plan is to launch the car with those options and others. The soft top is integral to the successful launch of the street version and the entire learning on the body molding, surfacing, shaping, cnc plug making and final panel manufacturing has gobbled up a TON of time and resources but is integral to the ability to offer variants of nose panels, Coupe version, fenders and qtr panel changes and the long-term success of the platform.

I want to thank all of you for your professionalism in your communication and constructive/positive criticism of the project thru its entire life-cycle. The sophistication and what I continue to refer to as "design maturity" of the team (a term used first by Jim) has been remarkable and exceptional considering the size of the company. In all honesty, there aren't ANY companies that I am closely familiar with who can do what we are doing. Our mission is as clear as ever and the most exciting days for us are all ahead.

One last note on a late Sat night... This 818 is only one of THREE major projects that we've been working on since January. As we head to SEMA I will be bringing a better description of what we are doing and the road ahead for the company. Thanks to all of you for allowing us to do what we do for a living. We are all immensely grateful for the jobs.

[flynntuna]

Ok How many Beta builders are there? Have they been chosen? What sort of changes from the prototype to production? Are those changes from what you know now or from the Beta builders suggestions?

[timmy318]

I'm glad you guys like the progress we are making. The questions are SUPER helpful as I am updating the website to coincide with the SEMA launch. This project has been managed in the most professional way and the crew have all done truly exceptional work. Jim's leadership on the design and Jespers direct engineering supported by HP and Jeremy at Solidworks has been fun to watch. The company, now freed with singular vision (mine) is making great progress and the design maturity is evident.

We wrote clear design goals to guide this project and we've stuck to them with fanatical dedication. The price point target is intact and the only challenge will be to make money (or rename the company the Mother Theresa Institute for automotive development)

We are now entering the third and final phase of testing, pre-production, and release of the car. We will release the street version first (I like the 818 nomenclature as we've all gotten used to it) and have more detailed answers to your questions. I've asked Dave Hodgkins for a very big favor, and that is to collect ALL of your questions and bullet list them so that we can both answer them directly here, but also importantly include the information in the web release.

You guys at FFR have done more than exceptional work! And are we going to see more of you or is this your last surface until SEMA? :p

[Dave Smith]

We only have a week before SEMA so I probably won't be crowing too much before then. We'll release details on the Street car for sure.

There will be no BETA program as we've done it in the past. The technology and engineering in this car requires new thinking in every area and that includes the beta program. I am leaning heavily towards a small directed outside team (still led by Jim) to develop the 818R on the track over the next 3-6 months. Grassroots Motorsports and some handpicked guys may be doing this as a team, but it is not open to debate or external discussion.

We will release production start dates and availability and alot more answers to your questions to coincide with SEMA. I can assure you the team has considered so seriously every single question I've read.

This car will define what a component car is in 2013 technology that delivers REAL value and smashes forever the concept of a cobbled together fiberglass rattle-trap. This car is going to flat-out crush cars costing many times more... and you can proudly say "I BUILT IT" . This car will take its rightful place alongside our LEGENDARY Mk4, our Type 65 Coupe, our sportscar 33 Hot Rod, and the mighty GTM... and i think most folks, upon close examination will agree it belongs in the Factory Five line-up.

[flytosail]

Thanks for the update. This will be an "ADD TO CART" for me.

Questions:

Any room for a duffle bag or something like that?

Most states require a front license plate. Looking at some of the the red car's front, if you mount the tag in the middle, will it interfere with the cooling?

Planning for a third brake light option?

Planning for heating and a defroster?

Once again great job and looking forward to the official roll out.

[David Hodgkins]

Dave, congratulations on making it to 1,000 posts.

The most intriguing thing you have said - and you have mentioned this a couple of times now - is that the 818 is only ONE of THREE major projects that FFR is working on! I'm surprised no one has caught up to that statement yet. I have my own wild ideas on what the other two projects are. Can you tell us this:

Are these projects that you have talked about in the past, but put on the back burner?
Are these all in the same vein or could they expand into different areas what people think about when they think of Factory Five?
Do any of these efforts have to do with current FFR offerings?


If you are doing what I think you are doing, I know some folks that will absolutely fall over!

:)

[timmy318]

I've just been behind my computer here dreaming of what they're working on!

[timmy318]

Dave, congratulations on making it to 1,000 posts.

The most intriguing thing you have said - and you have mentioned this a couple of times now - is that the 818 is only ONE of THREE major projects that FFR is working on! I'm surprised no one has caught up to that statement yet. I have my own wild ideas on what the other two projects are. Can you tell us this:

Are these projects that you have talked about in the past, but put on the back burner?
Are these all in the same vein or could they expand into different areas what people think about when they think of Factory Five?
Do any of these efforts have to do with current FFR offerings?


If you are doing what I think you are doing, I know some folks that will absolutely fall over!

:)

What do you think they're doing if I may ask?

[David Hodgkins]

What do you think they're doing if I may ask?

Timmy,

I don't want to spoil a surprise if indeed Dave wants to keep it and far be in from me to spoil a surprise! But if you REALLY know FFR history there is some stuff there that makes sense to move forward on now based on recent history and perhaps opportunity.

Cryptic I know, but I'm hoping that if I'm right Dave will at least acknowledge that I'm making sense related to these other projects...

:)

[Etos]

Dave,

For the track testing of the 818R, I hope you get a chance to notice Turnin Concepts sent you a care package of their old bushing refresh which replaces every suspension bushing that the 818 uses. They really are great bushings and hopefully you can even do a before/after of them that really shows how much they greatly improve the car.

[RM1SepEx]

Wow, what an update... Was hoping to beta but cest la vie...

I guess it's just a matter of sliding the credit card now... my visa is ready to go! :-)

I want to have it done for Carlisle

A top and further development of the spyder perhaps... I went to buy one and they were discountinued... :-( Dave was pretty nostalgic about it last year when we talked about that car... It needed a "champion" according to Dave

[timmy318]

Timmy,

I don't want to spoil a surprise if indeed Dave wants to keep it and far be in from me to spoil a surprise! But if you REALLY know FFR history there is some stuff there that makes sense to move forward on now based on recent history and perhaps opportunity.

Cryptic I know, but I'm hoping that if I'm right Dave will at least acknowledge that I'm making sense related to these other projects...

:)

Haha, okay, well.... I guess I'll have to wait till SEMA to hear some more info then :p, I can't believe you let us down! ;)

[gwader]

Ooohhhhh! That means we're days away from the official 818 site change with full details! YES! Thanks for the updates guys!

[David Hodgkins]

OK now I'm the one wearing out my F5 key (how ironic).

Come on Dave, Spill! Or at least drop a hint?!?

:)

[timmy318]

Anything?

[gwader]

Question list part due....

Prefabbed hard and soft break lines?
Will there be pre drilled holes for suggested pluming and wire routing locations
Wire connectors for Subaru to blah blah head light, marker light, etc?
Door locks?
Windshield wiper/ motor?
Wheel wells?
Are the grills prepainted?
Weather seals?
Steering column mounting adjustment? Or is it fixed.
On the street version will there me prewelded 5 point harness mounts or child seat mounts?
Airbags? HAHAHAHA! Just kidding.
Towing locations and chassis lift zones?

Interactive online build info center/Manuel. Or a PDF?
Year one production goals?

I just got in a wreck. Can I order a front bumper,truck, and right fender? Will these requests have to go into he cue? Or surplus?

[timmy318]

Well, my refresh button is officially broke

[gwader]

Well, my refresh button is officially broke

LoL

[miznitic]

So, will there be a closed roof street version? I, and possibly others, would not at all be interested in a roadster, or convertible.

[Mechie3]

Is it intended for the R to be street legal or a track only car that can be made street legal with some hassle by the builder?

[timmy318]

So, will there be a closed roof street version? I, and possibly others, would not at all be interested in a roadster, or convertible.

From what I gather, a soft top will be available coinciding with the launch of the 818. Haven't heard anything about the windows and I suspect that they're a no-go for the first few 818's. Later on though, Dave Smith said that they will be offering a street version with windows(not sure if it''ll be a hardtop though).

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Question for Dave list.
If complete 818S kits are not available immediately. Can I get a chassis sooner to get going on the mechanicals? Then get body when it is ready.
Bob

[timmy318]

Question for Dave list.
If complete 818S kits are not available immediately. Can I get a chassis sooner to get going on the mechanicals? Then get body when it is ready.
Bob

Highly doubt that.

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

Like many of you, I've been watching (with almost complete silence) everything I could about the 818 since the first hints of it were disclosed. I am pretty much speechless right now. I saw the pictures earlier but my keyboard fried when I drooled all over it, consequently I wasn't able to respond nearly as quickly as everyone else.

I am proud of what I built already (Factory Five Mark II Roadster) and I'm confident now that Factory Five will get more of my hard-earned money from me. My current daily-driver is a supercharged 2002 Miata. I can't wait to lay eyes (and hands) on the street version. I do believe I will build it to replace the Miata.

GREAT JOB guys! Keep it up!

[timmy318]

Sigh, today has been a great day on the forum for me but due to the early morning I have coming up tomorrow I need sleep..... Hopefully I don't come back tomorrow morning and the forums been blown up from some picture being released :p

[Movieman]

How tall is Jason?
I'm guessing app 6ft-6'1" as when he showed me around FFR I seem to remember he's app 2-3" taller than I am and I'm right at 5'10"

[fact5racer]

I think 5-10ish

[Movieman]

I think 5-10ish
Nope, seriously unless I've shrunk in my old age(60) he has to be a min of 6'

[WonderDude]

Timmy,

I don't want to spoil a surprise if indeed Dave wants to keep it and far be in from me to spoil a surprise! But if you REALLY know FFR history there is some stuff there that makes sense to move forward on now based on recent history and perhaps opportunity.

Cryptic I know, but I'm hoping that if I'm right Dave will at least acknowledge that I'm making sense related to these other projects...

:)
I know what their working on!

They're building the first ever build it yourself family sedan! ;)

[Movieman]

I know what their working on!

They're building the first ever build it yourself family sedan! ;)
Yea, but they had to fire everyone and find new people that could make a mushy suspension!:D

[BS Mods]

I think we are all forgetting to ask something very important here...


Will it have a cup-holder?

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

I think we are all forgetting to ask something very important here...


Will it have a cup-holder?

Good one! I'm glad I wasn't sipping my bourbon when I read this, otherwise my nose would be seriously burning!

[0100]

I'd love to make a kinda 818SR.

+1 This is what mine will be, a 2 seater R chassis without the petty bar with R aero and maybe full windshield. Not going to be my DD just a take out and have fun on the streets and track days. It will be up for sale as soon as I get arrested.

[Flamshackle]

I know what their working on!

They're building the first ever build it yourself family sedan! ;)

Bahahaha!

I hope they are doing a truck... Or a single seated open wheeled road car... Or a turbine powered land speed record tester... Or... Ok I'm out.

[Jeff Kleiner]

Bahahaha!

I hope they are doing a truck... Or a single seated open wheeled road car... Or a turbine powered land speed record tester... Or... Ok I'm out.

You're closer than you might think ;)

Jeff

[Kalstar]

I am going with a 2+2 and a truck.

Am I hot?

[pddjsteve]

I'm SO excited about this. Upon seeing the pictures the GF exclaimed "It's so MEAN looking!". Budgeting myself a late 2013 donor purchase/summer 2014 kit purchase & build. Going to be keeping an eye out for the answers to the cargo space and hvac questions - planning on the "S" and would love to be able to DD it in the summer. If we could find about 4 cubic feet of cargo space I'd be happy - the S2K only has 6. I'd like to see heat/AC as well, even if its an add-on. I'm not against the idea of adding a few lbs and a few $ to have something like this be more versatile for me. I'm already planning on integrating as much electronic control functionality into something involving microcontrollers and touchscreens.

[anthonyb]

Ok, I've completely (I think) run all the way back through the posts since the last showing to see if anyone had asked and/or answered.....what type of wheels and tires are those:confused:?

[Kalstar]

Forgstar.

[Maximus]

I'm sure I'm not the first one to bring this up to FFR, but how amazing would a 818 Online Config be? With the emphasis on CAD and other computer tools in the design and production, this would be another great application of the tech. How about it Dave?

[timmy318]

I'm sure I'm not the first one to bring this up to FFR, but how amazing would a 818 Online Config be? With the emphasis on CAD and other computer tools in the design and production, this would be another great application of the tech. How about it Dave?

that would actually be pretty cool! That way you could kinda visualize what your 818 would look like...... Not a bad idea......

[timmy318]

I just replaced my refresh button.... Don't make it brake again in vain!!!!

[carbon fiber]

i'm betting one of the other projects is an open-wheeled single seater. ariel atom style. turbo hayabusa engine? do great minds think alike? lol

[bbjones121]

I have heard them talk about a truck in the past.

[mjn2919]

+1 for the open wheel single seater!

[StatGSR]

Did anyone notice the STR on the side.
Is that the SCCA class this will compete in?

Bob

Actually its a NASA class, here are the rules,
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Super-Touring.pdf

would have to keep the power pretty low to get it to class into STR3 as that's based on NASA's Adjusted Wt/Hp Ratio.

[narkosys]

The 818 is seriously going to tear me away from a GTM as a first project car if the S looks just as good as the R. And judging from the sneak peak of it's arse in that one photo it just might. :P

I too am looking at putting as much of the functionality of the original car as possible. As this will be a daily driver, cruise, HVAC and whatever else I can cram in there will be great.

Looking forward to the official unvailling.

P

[bromikl]

i'm betting one of the other projects is an open-wheeled single seater. ariel atom style. turbo hayabusa engine? do great minds think alike? lol

I would love to see that. Like a motorcycle with four wheels. Maybe a formula Subaru?

I've heard of a truck hinted at before. I'll bet that's one of the three.

On the other hand, there have been three variations of the 818 planned from the beginning. Dave could have been referring to those as three separate projects, but I don't think that's likely.

[Mechie3]

Another question, this one a bit broader in scope, but I was hoping a list would be published off all S and R components, accessories, features, or what have you that are mutually exclusive if you buy one chassis or the other. I understand its a kit car and you can customize as you please, but im interested in straight bolt in (as I can always make anything work if I feel like putting in the time ).

[Martin]

I'm betting 289 / slabside version of the roadster.

Diesel version of the gtm is an outside chance.

Single seater, but not Ariel atom style. More like the old formula 1 cars from 1967(like a lotus).

Martin

[jkrueger]

that would actually be pretty cool! That way you could kinda visualize what your 818 would look like...... Not a bad idea......

Somebody did this with the FFR roadster, and Dave was pretty excited about. Maybe that is one of the other projects he mentioned???

BTW, Dave.... What an awesome car. I'm building my second FFR now (coupe being built for the track), and I am sold on the 818. When you guys offer a hard top version, I'll be selling my daily driver (89 RX-7) and building a new one.

JC

[jkrueger]

Anybody know what color blue that is on the 818R?? I think I'm going to paint my coupe that color.

JC

[Rockraven]

I have one very impotent question that hasn't been answered yet (that I know of). Will this kit be legally available to Canadians upon release.

[cyderus]

at what point do u guys think well get a complete donor list. i remember seeing that an 02 to 07. but i would like to c about maybe an 11 or 12 just for the advanced cpu's.

[flynntuna]

The 818 is to be a "world car", their plan from the start was to be able to export the kit around the world, Thats why the Subaru platform was chosen

[timmy318]

Somebody has to drop some more info on this thread to make it explode again! Not big info, but just something to get our heads spinning :p

[smoove7410]

I would love a single seat open wheeled formula style car. I assume an offroad style truck/jeep is one of them for sure. The offroad crowd is huge and bringing a kit to rock crawl/offroad seems like a new style kit that would be widely popular.

[Sultan]

I would guess that two of the three would be, the 818 and getting control of the company.

The third could be Mr. Smith's take over of Fiat. Just guessing yet I like the idea......

[rjh2pd]

If you guys wanted a 1/4 scale formula car you could contact colleges that have a Formula SAE (Society for Automotive Engineers) team. Most teams make a new car every year and might be interested in selling old ones. Most use a 600 cc motorcycle engine. Here is an example
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[Martin]

I would love a single seat open wheeled formula style car. I assume an offroad style truck/jeep is one of them for sure. The offroad crowd is huge and bringing a kit to rock crawl/offroad seems like a new style kit that would be widely popular.

The only thing I see that would go against that idea is that Dave owns a good chunk of Local Motors and therefore the Rally Fighter. Would FFR introducing an off road car cannibalise part of the local motors market? Possibly.

Martin

[narkosys]

I have one very impotent question that hasn't been answered yet (that I know of). Will this kit be legally available to Canadians upon release.

I just asked that one but Dave hasn't answered our questions as it is the weekend and he deserves a rest before the full on SEMA onslaught :P

There are parts that FFr are not allowed to include in kits to Canada due to Canadian Customs regulations. These include things like fuel systems, suspension, steering and such. This is why Canadian prices for the kits are cheaper and why you can get 'Canadian completion kits' from Whitby.

THAT SAID, considering those parts will more than likely come from the donor, getting this kit into Canada should be much easier than the other FFr kits. I am sure (well hoping) that Dave has already been in touch with the proper authorities to make sure everything is in order for us 'frozen people' to get our hands on an 818.

But I am not Dave, so your millage may vary :D

P

[smoove7410]

Martin,

Maybe. I was under the impression that the Rally Fighter would be pretty expensive. My idea was for an offroad kit similar to the 818 at a lower price point. Basically, all tubular with very few body panels.

For the open wheeler, I would love something with tandem seating.

https://images.localmotors.com/user_images/373135.jpg

[StatGSR]

The only thing I see that would go against that idea is that Dave owns a good chunk of Local Motors and therefore the Rally Fighter. Would FFR introducing an off road car cannibalise part of the local motors market? Possibly.

Martin
^ does local motors sell enough rally fighters to matter? i have heard little to nothing about them since the rally fighter was released, i have no idea if its actually doing well or not.

[FFR-ADV]

Congratulations Dave, Jim and the whole FFR Development Team!

I am driving my 2004 WRX donor right now and am excited to build the 818 with my kids (Future Factory Five Builders) once the kit is available.

After an 818 build, I am likely up for a truck build if that is a direction Factory Five decides to go in. We all recognize that this type of decision lies with Dave Smith who alone bears full responsibility for Factory Five.

That being said, I personally like the idea of an Off-Road (Barely Street Legal) 6 passengers, heavily modified “Trophy Truck” build. Factory five has all of the tools to do this competitively. Many great donors and vendors to choose from, a real welded tube chassis, 818 style no paint body panels... I have three kids, Dave Smith has 4 kids, and wouldn’t it be fun to have a FFR that you can take the whole family out in? If any company can pull this off as an affordable, yet still have a race worthy chassis, with style, it is Factory Five Racing! I wish Factory Five great success in the other two efforts, whatever they may be!

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Cheers!

[WonderDude]

OMG!!! I just found a picture of one of the new projects they are working on!!!

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[Sultan]

Great find! And who would have ever guessed a tractor as a kit! Spend months building something that sucks to drive...I am so in!

Good photoshop work BTW:-)

[Rockraven]

I'd like to see something like the Warthog from the Halo games, based on a Chevy Tahoe or similar, or even a Jeep Wrangler.

[timmy318]

I'd like to see something like the Warthog from the Halo games, based on a Chevy Tahoe or similar, or even a Jeep Wrangler.

lol, set a mini gun on it? :p

[Rockraven]

Of course. I want to terrorize old people in Hyundais.

[TY2185]

WOW!... I'll bump the pics to the latest page. I want to build the Off Road Truck also. : )

Just to recap:
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-1.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-2.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-3.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-4.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-5.jpg

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-6.jpg

:)

[flynntuna]

Theirs lots of competition in the sand rail- baja race truck market, FFR is expanding in the world market, so what ever direction they go my guess is it's has a market overseas.

[Sultan]

Does the street version look like it has a shorter rear deck lid? And maybe the "humps" are different?

[jimgood]

I absolutely love this car! This is going to sounds stupid but my favorite aspect of it is how tightly the wheel arches wrap around the wheels. Looking at the splitter and side sill, I have to wonder if this thing has a totally smooth, carbon fiber under belly. No doubt that would be one of the add-on accessories! Unless that's imitation CF plastic.

[timmy318]

Does the street version look like it has a shorter rear deck lid? And maybe the "humps" are different?

To me it looks like they extended the humps to the rear, most likely due to not using a wing? Also, I think they flared the lip at the rear a little less then the 818-R. Hopefully like other people have said, they will have options like a splitter/diffuser(818-R version) and a wing for the 818-S for people who like that(me). :D

[narkosys]

I think those are a set of Pre Preg CF side skirts for the GTM. The splitter may be from the Gen 1 or it could be one they designed for the 818.

As for a truck/off road vehicle I am hoping it is something that competes with the Bowler :P

P

[timmy318]

Don't forget about this baby!
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[flynntuna]

The roll bar doesn't have the rear support section like the R. On the R it comes back to were the scoop on the rear quarter panel is. It makes it look different.

[Sultan]

Or it is the Targa top:-) Hopefully.

[flynntuna]

Cross your fingers

[timmy318]

Cross your fingers

My fingers are broken from crossing them so much lately.....

[WonderDude]

Great find! And who would have ever guessed a tractor as a kit! Spend months building something that sucks to drive...I am so in!

Good photoshop work BTW:-)
LOL! Thanks! :)

[Brent trail rider]

This picture makes me want to build a long travel rally version. The picture from post 386,were I live there is thousands of miles of these roads.

[07FIREBLADE]

The 818R is amazing. Loving more and more. Only thing I would change right now is those mirrors. Looks like its off. A motorcycle. Something a bit more exotic looking. Which would be no big deal. Waiting for the official unveil at SEMA. Currently in the market for a new DD which I will eventual turn into a donor.

[timmy318]

The 818R is amazing. Loving more and more. Only thing I would change right now is those mirrors. Looks like its off. A motorcycle. Something a bit more exotic looking. Which would be no big deal. Waiting for the official unveil at SEMA. Currently in the market for a new DD which I will eventual turn into a donor.

I agree. The mirrors look like they were found somewhere around the warehouse and just thrown on their. Hopefully they put those on their to make it look more car like, and later on they put the real ones on or offer a nicer looking housing for the ones they have on the 818-R right now. Or, maybe just go after-market.....

[Mike N]

To me it looks like they extended the humps to the rear, most likely due to not using a wing? Also, I think they flared the lip at the rear a little less then the 818-R. Hopefully like other people have said, they will have options like a splitter/diffuser(818-R version) and a wing for the 818-S for people who like that(me). :D

Could it be that the street version is really a COUPE...............................

[Sultan]

That's what I am thinking:-)

[Maximus]

Yep! Our FSAE cars have been bought by my friends and I plan on buying one soon!

[FFR-ADV]

Looking at the splitter and side sill, I have to wonder if this thing has a totally smooth, carbon fiber under belly. No doubt that would be one of the add-on accessories! Unless that's imitation CF plastic.

Hi jimgood,

I would guess that the splitter also comes from APR Performance, the same company who made the Carbon Fiber Composite adjustable wing used on the 818R. Here are a couple links to their aero products (splitter and adjustable wings). Who knows, maybe they might consider making a rear diffuser for the 818...

Carbon Fiber Splitter: http://aprperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=49

Carbon Fiber Adjustable Wing: http://aprperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=45

Building an 818SR is going to be so much fun!!!

Cheers!

[flytosail]

Motorcycle?

[flynntuna]

It looks like the windshield of the street version is peeking over the wing of the R version. From that angle the rollbar should be visable too, unless its been lowered.

[fact5racer]

I agree. The mirrors look like they were found somewhere around the warehouse and just thrown on their. Hopefully they put those on their to make it look more car like, and later on they put the real ones on or offer a nicer looking housing for the ones they have on the 818-R right now. Or, maybe just go after-market.....

Hey! I take that personally! I had those mirrrors kicking around and with just a few days to go, there was no time to try to find more areodynamic mirrors to mount and then paint before SEMA. I donated these to have something for now.

[FFR-ADV]

Hi fact5racer,

Given all of the hot award winning FFRs you have built, do you mind sharing your plans on your first 818 build? I look forward to seeing your work!

Cheers!

[timmy318]

Hey! I take that personally! I had those mirrrors kicking around and with just a few days to go, there was no time to try to find more areodynamic mirrors to mount and then paint before SEMA. I donated these to have something for now.

Sorry, didn't mean to be rude. I was just saying that I hope that they aren't the final ones, didn't mean any harm!

[David Hodgkins]

I say we ban timmy for one month starting the day before SEMA!

:D

[timmy318]

I say we ban timmy for one month starting the day before SEMA!

:D

NOOOO!!!!!!! If that happens I might never be seen again! I would slowly suffer withdrawal symptoms from the FF-Forum and then wither up and die..... Well, maybe not to that extreme but you catch my drift :p

[thestigwins]

Decided to go to SEMA last minute. Just booked my flight and I can't wait!

[timmy318]

Decided to go to SEMA last minute. Just booked my flight and I can't wait!

***Warning***Excessive drooling may resort in a keyboard malfunction***

[face08]

Not that I know a whole lot, but from what I do know, the local motors rally fighter is doing well. They keep evolving it and slowly creeping up the price due to the upgrade in product. It has been my dream car for some time, though now that I have recently found factoryfive as well as this 818.... The cost and more "practical" daily driver - ability of the 818 just might make it to number one build of this scale in my life. Had an airplane / ultralight in mind for around 5k but I'm thinking this kit will drive me to save up and spend it on the 818 instead. The rally fighter will just be another 10 years down the road.

[cyderus]

i am jealous
Decided to go to SEMA last minute. Just booked my flight and I can't wait!

[fact5racer]

Not that I know a whole lot, but from what I do know, the local motors rally fighter is doing well. They keep evolving it and slowly creeping up the price due to the upgrade in product. It has been my dream car for some time, though now that I have recently found factoryfive as well as this 818.... The cost and more "practical" daily driver - ability of the 818 just might make it to number one build of this scale in my life. Had an airplane / ultralight in mind for around 5k but I'm thinking this kit will drive me to save up and spend it on the 818 instead. The rally fighter will just be another 10 years down the road.

Doing well? Factory Five sells more kits in two weeks than Local Motors have sold Rally fighters in what...5 years?

Timmy, don't worry, just teasing.

As far as 818 plans it all depends on my finances. I am NOT gonna sell my KONI GTM to build a 818R. I was out in it today along the "now that summer is over and the traffic is dead" coastline today and it is just toooooooooooooo enjoyable to give up. I'm in construction and my income is 20% of what it used to be (Thank God for my Chippendale pension) so if I can swing it, I already have all my ideas on what I would do. Big thing would be to keep the cost down for two reasons:

1. So I can afford to build it without selling anything
2. So I have little enough into it so as to be able to drive it without worrying about crashing it, seeing like I tell Dave: "One good thing obout me being the "Test Pilot" is that remember Dave, that I have more reasons to die, than you have reasons to live!"

I'll never forget when I crashed my 1998 Reynard Champcar. I had the brake balance off and didn't know until after the crash from a witness that the brake bias was off and in fact, the rear wheels were locked up going into turn3 at NHIS which made the rear come around and put me in the wall wiping out my, as I discovered, "unobtainable" replacement roadcourse front wing. The only consolation was when the ambulance crew tried to console me he said "Look at the bright side. I have never clocked anyone going around this course this fast in my 4 years of working here"

[timmy318]

Timmy, don't worry, just teasing.

haha, I kinda figured that! :D

[Benji]

Can't wait to find out what the other projects are! SEMA in a little over a week, can't wait to be there.

[Dave Smith]

Worked today with two guys from FFR (Eddie and Scott "Honey Badger" Bell). I couldn't sleep so I figured I'd go downstairs and check the forum without getting the evil eye from Denise.

The picture on the tractor was well worth it. Still laughing.

Of course the kit will be canadian legal. We've got more experience and "street cred" with the very challenging rules out of Canada and the 818 project anticipated this specifically and other export issues.

I thought it was cool, with one week to go before SEMA, it was exactly two years ago that I gathered with customers at the NASCAR cafe place in Vegas for a customer dinner. At that event I asked the group of really core FFR supporters which direction we should go either a F150 Cab-on tube framed trophy truck package (I still have this in my sights!), or the car that I loosely described as a super-lightweight subie-based racer/street car, mid-engined, $10K price point $15K to complete all-in export capable pkg.

The feedback majority was what became the 818 after two years exactly of REAL community based feedback (not collecting the ignorance of the masses but taking real direction and cues AND ABUSE from the established FFR community) a great design contest, in-house direction and vision, great support from real suppliers and folks with a vested interest in the cars success, and great feedback and support from Grassroots Motorsports. How's that for a run-on sentence? Grammmer out the door past midnight.

We loaded the 818R and the flame 33 MuscleCar hot rod onto the trailer tonight. Good car. Huge efforts to recognize. Alot more information to come, but I promise you that when you see firsthand the magnitude of the work and the quality of the engineering the guys have put forth you will be as impressed as I am humbled to be so lucky to lead this effort.

We designed and built this car. It is Jim's design and he gets my respect and admiration, but this company was enabled by 15+ years of 6 days a week, by thousands of customers who have left their marks and donated their ideas and skills, by great partner companies and by efforts of so many... We all built this car.

It's late and there's so much ground ahead yet to go. I still feel as though we are on the first leg of a very long and exciting adventure. The house is quiet, the kids are asleep and I'm alone with my thoughts of where we've come from and where we're going. It's cool being at work on a Sunday every once in a while. The building is quiet and its easier to remember that it was a scrub-oak field 10 years ago and now is here due to the hard work of so many great people. Today as I was loading the cars I was SO proud of the work that everyone's done. I began wondering about all the great stories this car will add to the FFR community and lore. I also thought of the many things that we've gone thru and the heartaches also. I thought of Dan Lawson a true racers racer. I thought of Roger Stine and his great smile and how I miss him and how brave Karen was and is.. I thought of my friend Dick Smith and his humble way of making EVERYONE he ever spoke to feel like his friend. I thought of all the friends we've made along the way, all the people who have helped my daughter Jenny with her fight against Cystic Fibrosis. I thought of all the trials and the victories and I have to say I was quite overwhelmed.

So when I tell you I am grateful for the job, I am really saying I am grateful for the amazing journey and the stories we've made together. I know you guys have alot of questions and I'll do my best to answer them and to guide this company in a way that deserves your support and honors the stories we've built together... I just wanted you to know that.

My dog is staring at me with his head tilted. Talk to you tomorrow or soon.

[shinn497]

+1

Well said :D

[thestigwins]

Dave,
Factory Five sets a perfect example of how hard work, dedication and attention to detail go along way in making a successful business. You are only as good as your team and I believe you have a great crew behind you. I was debating on going to SEMA this year and purchased my airline ticket a few hours ago after realizing that I had to make the trip to see the 818. Thank you for letting us be a part of the development of the car and sharing the build process with us. I have to admit that I have been spreading the word about the 818 for awhile now and feel guilty as I have changed my tactics. I don't want anyone else to know about it as I don't want to be stuck waiting a year due to the waitlist. Demand will be huge for this car and many memories will be made. See you guys at SEMA.


Grant

[timmy318]

No one could've said it better than you just said it Dave! Still can't wrap my head around how you guys at FFR can design something like this so beautiful yet still be able to sell it inexpensive! Thanks for all the fun I'm about to have!

[timmy318]

I have to admit that I have been spreading the word about the 818 for awhile now and feel guilty as I have changed my tactics. I don't want anyone else to know about it as I don't want to be stuck waiting a year due to the waitlist.

Oh, I hear you on that one. As soon as I figured out how long this list was gonna be I kept my mouth shut about the 818.

[ursa5000]

I still feel as though we are on the first leg of a very long and exciting adventure.

Amen, Dave. Ours is a collective journey, reading and walking with Factory Five. Together we taste the sweetness of lives fully lived and see our most cherished dreams fulfilled.

Da Bear

[Martin]

My final guess, and on reflection is possibly the most likely... All the stuff they've learned doing the 818 is going to be applied to their current range of cars. E.g. paint free, seamless bodies etc.

It would make the most sense financially to leverage the investment.

Martin

[FFR-ADV]

Thanks for the update Dave!

Congratulations to Jim and the whole 818 design team!!! Your work speaks for its self, but I still want to repeat my gratitude. This is the car I have waited to build.

I love the idea of a trophy truck as well.... once my newly acquired WRX becomes an 818SR or is that 818RS is in my garage.

Thanks a gain for all you do.

Cheers!

[Wayne Presley]

I can't wait to see it in Vegas!

[WonderDude]

The picture on the tractor was well worth it. Still laughing.
LOL! You're welcome! :D

BTW, that was actually Jay Leno on that tractor.

[flytosail]

Worked today with two guys from FFR (Eddie and Scott "Honey Badger" Bell). I couldn't sleep so I figured I'd go downstairs and check the forum without getting the evil eye from Denise.

The picture on the tractor was well worth it. Still laughing.

Of course the kit will be canadian legal. We've got more experience and "street cred" with the very challenging rules out of Canada and the 818 project anticipated this specifically and other export issues.

I thought it was cool, with one week to go before SEMA, it was exactly two years ago that I gathered with customers at the NASCAR cafe place in Vegas for a customer dinner. At that event I asked the group of really core FFR supporters which direction we should go either a F150 Cab-on tube framed trophy truck package (I still have this in my sights!), or the car that I loosely described as a super-lightweight subie-based racer/street car, mid-engined, $10K price point $15K to complete all-in export capable pkg.

The feedback majority was what became the 818 after two years exactly of REAL community based feedback (not collecting the ignorance of the masses but taking real direction and cues AND ABUSE from the established FFR community) a great design contest, in-house direction and vision, great support from real suppliers and folks with a vested interest in the cars success, and great feedback and support from Grassroots Motorsports. How's that for a run-on sentence? Grammmer out the door past midnight.

We loaded the 818R and the flame 33 MuscleCar hot rod onto the trailer tonight. Good car. Huge efforts to recognize. Alot more information to come, but I promise you that when you see firsthand the magnitude of the work and the quality of the engineering the guys have put forth you will be as impressed as I am humbled to be so lucky to lead this effort.

We designed and built this car. It is Jim's design and he gets my respect and admiration, but this company was enabled by 15+ years of 6 days a week, by thousands of customers who have left their marks and donated their ideas and skills, by great partner companies and by efforts of so many... We all built this car.

It's late and there's so much ground ahead yet to go. I still feel as though we are on the first leg of a very long and exciting adventure. The house is quiet, the kids are asleep and I'm alone with my thoughts of where we've come from and where we're going. It's cool being at work on a Sunday every once in a while. The building is quiet and its easier to remember that it was a scrub-oak field 10 years ago and now is here due to the hard work of so many great people. Today as I was loading the cars I was SO proud of the work that everyone's done. I began wondering about all the great stories this car will add to the FFR community and lore. I also thought of the many things that we've gone thru and the heartaches also. I thought of Dan Lawson a true racers racer. I thought of Roger Stine and his great smile and how I miss him and how brave Karen was and is.. I thought of my friend Dick Smith and his humble way of making EVERYONE he ever spoke to feel like his friend. I thought of all the friends we've made along the way, all the people who have helped my daughter Jenny with her fight against Cystic Fibrosis. I thought of all the trials and the victories and I have to say I was quite overwhelmed.

So when I tell you I am grateful for the job, I am really saying I am grateful for the amazing journey and the stories we've made together. I know you guys have alot of questions and I'll do my best to answer them and to guide this company in a way that deserves your support and honors the stories we've built together... I just wanted you to know that.

My dog is staring at me with his head tilted. Talk to you tomorrow or soon.

Have to run out so I need to keep this short.

Dave, you are an inspiration and an example of the American dream. To modify a mockery of this thought process; "You, built this." From your dream allows us to have our dreams. Thanks, for your hard work.

[longislandwrx]

Timmy,

I don't want to spoil a surprise if indeed Dave wants to keep it and far be in from me to spoil a surprise! But if you REALLY know FFR history there is some stuff there that makes sense to move forward on now based on recent history and perhaps opportunity.

:)

Could one of the projects be helping out his brother with the Smyth car?

[JAubin]

Wow...I go offline for the weekend and wake up to this! Any chance forum members can potentially sneak onto the waiting list in a favorable position? If seeing photos of this thing get people this excited, it's going to be awesome to see videos of it in motion....it looks fast standing still.

[Jeff Kleiner]

Could one of the projects be helping out his brother with the Smyth car?

Don't hold your breath while waiting for that one.

Jeff

[longislandwrx]

Don't hold your breath while waiting for that one.

Jeff

you never know.

[Oppenheimer]

Dave dropped a lot of hints the other day that normally we'd be all analyzing forward and backwards. But we're all so stunned by the new images, and last-nights pep-talk to pay any attention.

At this point though I'd rather just wait and see and enjoy the anticipation than to waste time speculating what he was hinting at.

[Silvertop]

..........At this point though I'd rather just wait and see and enjoy the anticipation than to waste time speculating what he was hinting at.

That's pretty much where I'm at too.

[JAubin]

Dave dropped a lot of hints the other day that normally we'd be all analyzing forward and backwards. But we're all so stunned by the new images, and last-nights pep-talk to pay any attention.

At this point though I'd rather just wait and see and enjoy the anticipation than to waste time speculating what he was hinting at.

Agreed...the next few days will be easy compared to the wait from the reveal until the kit's in my garage. Should be plenty of time to obsess over drivetrain and fit-out details. Do I use basic auto-meter gauges, or go with a nice set of DEFI blackouts? Ahhhh decisions.

[RM1SepEx]

questions for Dave:

Will early orders be filled with molded plastic body panels or gel coat fiberglass?

Colors?

Update of needed parts from the donor so we can sell more stuff?

Can/will he prioritize some of us with donor parts ready to get some finishd examples out there across the country for other customers to see? It appears that between the "working on the donor" thread and the AJW customers there must be 15+ people that will be ready immediately upon release of the kit.

Can we expect future body options to bolt on to the "as released" 818S chassis? Perhaps I want to go Targa vs roadster long term as an example...

I can't wait to see how complete, registration, road ready the 818S is at SEMA. I'm hoping to see wipers and a heater!

I want to see the optional top and pricing for it at SEMA

I would like to see one side of the 818S shown at SEMA with stock 16 inch Subaru wheels, so as to represent a low end build for folks

I'm sure that I'll think of more!

[VD2021]

OMG!!! I just found a picture of one of the new projects they are working on!!!

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Hilarious! ROTFLMBO!

I've never seen a single thread with as much action as this..........Amazing!

I'm still four to six months from completing my GTM, but I think I've found my next FFR project.

Dave,
You are definitely in your calling. Keep doing what you do....and I want a ride on the tractor when I visit your company.

***818 experts...Question.....What exactly keeps the STI from being a single donor? I'm not up to speed here as I have to keep my train-of-thought- GTM focused. Thanks.

[face08]

Doing well? Factory Five sells more kits in two weeks than Local Motors have sold Rally fighters in what...5 years?

Not that I want to go off topic in any way or be in any way a thorn, just putting in my two cents. It is only my opinion and you get what you pay for... To me, local motors did a good job going from crowd sourcing everything to first build in 18 mo IIRC. All of their specs and CAD files / Solidworks files are posted for everyone to see and have. They are currently around the 150 - 200 cars sold / made mark last time I called. I think its pretty sweet considering they started at 50k and are now at 75k. Basically to me at least, they are doing "well" in the fact that they are doing better than I am at the moment. And that any comparable vehicle is sold for over 100k. Also the fact you get to build it over two weekends is a neat idea to me. It takes a lot to get a company going and keep it going. I haven't done it, so therefore I can't criticize with any ground to stand on. All I can do is say, "hey, they are doing well" out of admiration for what they are doing and for only having limited knowledge and insight into the company itself.
That all being said, I def think FFR is an awesome company as well. I know about the same amount about each company i.e. not much. Just that they are both neat companies with neat ideas and offerings. The fact that FFR is coming out with a car at about the 15k range definitely puts it higher on my list in terms of the timeline in life. Though someday I would still like a rallyfighter. We each have our dreams and these two cars are part of mine. I wasn't trying to put local motors above FFR in any way, or the other way around. I am just giving my thoughts that both are awesome companies doing things I wish that I could do or be a part of someday. Maybe after I graduate with my mech engineering degree and start making some money... then maybe. But as of yet, going from serving in the military -> getting married -> going to college hasn't yet put me in a position to do much else other than dream and enjoy awesome companies from the sidelines. :) Massive kudos to FFR for this build / design and doing it all with solidworks and aiming to put it into more of a "middle class" area of opportunity. Can't wait to see and hear from SEMA just like everyone else. :) hope everyone has a great day

[Xusia]

***818 experts...Question.....What exactly keeps the STI from being a single donor? I'm not up to speed here as I have to keep my train-of-thought- GTM focused. Thanks.

This has been well covered; I advise using the search function for more detail, but the short answer is the primary reason is the 6-speed transmission is too long.

[VD2021]

This has been well covered; I advise using the search function for more detail, but the short answer is the primary reason is the 6-speed transmission is too long.

Good afternoon.

I'm not a new comer to the forum...... You can't search "STI".

It would be nice if someone could post the link/s.

I've been busy with my build and haven't closely followed the 818 threads. There are just too many to keep track of especially when you're concentrating on build.

[JAubin]

Two big areas for concern are the hubs and the transmission... More info here: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?6828-STI-donor-possibility-hear-me-out
With the availability of the parts you need for this build my assumption is that it wouldn't be a huge undertaking to use an STi as a donor, knowing that you'll be sourcing other parts, including potentially a 5 speed tranny. I would strongly consider that myself if I didn't already have a donor in my garage :)

[BipDBo]

***818 experts...Question.....What exactly keeps the STI from being a single donor? I'm not up to speed here as I have to keep my train-of-thought- GTM focused. Thanks.

I am no expert, but a long while ago, Dave also alluded to some problem with converting the 6 speed to 2WD.

[STI4WRC]

So how is everyone who is going at the last minute getting into the SEMA show? I thought back in the old days you had to register way in advance and show all kinds of proof that you were seriously connected to the auto industry to get in. Have they relaxed the requirements to get in? If they are still super strict I would volunteer to drive the car in to the show. I'm just trying to help you guys out. If some one has a way in and doesn't want to post it for the world to see, please pm me. Thanks

[narkosys]

also I think it may be time to start a 64k sticky thread to document known problems and solutions of the build. that way there will be one place to check for answers to known questions.

yes i know the builds haven't started yet but at least there would be a place to put these upcoming threads in.

here (http://www.ffcars.com/forums/42-factory-five-gtm-forum/196139-links-64k-questions.html) is the link to give you an idea of what I am takling about.

P

[VD2021]

but yeah Vidal, the tranny is too long for now as I am sure that a solution to that problem will surface due to the ingenuity of the forumites. as for me, i am thinking i may go for the 818 first to get my feet wet in the car building thing and then continue with my plan for the GTM. especially if the street version will look as gorgeous as i think it will.

I will now return to my regular nice canadian type person.

P


I am no expert, but a long while ago, Dave also alluded to some problem with converting the 6 speed to 2WD.


Two big areas for concern are the hubs and the transmission... More info here: http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?6828-STI-donor-possibility-hear-me-out
With the availability of the parts you need for this build my assumption is that it wouldn't be a huge undertaking to use an STi as a donor, knowing that you'll be sourcing other parts, including potentially a 5 speed tranny. I would strongly consider that myself if I didn't already have a donor in my garage :)

Gentlemen,

Thank you.

[Xusia]

forgive my blunt answer but would you people fsck right off with the 'use the seach' shyte answer!!! the search functions in these forums suck. there is no boolean function in the searches (AND, OR, NOT, XOR, etc...), using quotes doesn't work and neither do symbols such as + or -. if I do a search for say "STI transmission", or STI AND transmission, or STI + transmission i get results that show every post with has the words STI or transmission in it so now I have to sift through pages of posts that have absolutely NOTHING to do with what i am searching for. God forbid i do a search for LS# cruise control install in the GTM forums. Then you have a cacophony of answers to sift through.

but yeah Vidal, the tranny is too long for now as I am sure that a solution to that problem will surface due to the ingenuity of the forumites. as for me, i am thinking i may go for the 818 first to get my feet wet in the car building thing and then continue with my plan for the GTM. especially if the street version will look as gorgeous as i think it will.

I will now return to my regular nice canadian type person.

P

Hey! That's totally uncalled for. I was polite AND helpful with my response (unlike your post), providing the short answer directly (no search required). He didn't state anything about trying the search or that it didn't work, so how would I know if he tried the search or not?

As to why people respond with "use the search" it's because there are a lot of lazy people out there who don't even try to find the answer on their own, which I think is poor etiquette. But if someone has tried and can't, I'll be the first in line to help.

No need to bash people like me who are actually trying to be helpful and do so in a polite manner.

Thanks.

[JBsLGT]

forgive my blunt answer but would you people fsck right off with the 'use the seach' shyte answer!!! the search functions in these forums suck. there is no boolean function in the searches (AND, OR, NOT, XOR, etc...), using quotes doesn't work and neither do symbols such as + or -. if I do a search for say "STI transmission", or STI AND transmission, or STI + transmission i get results that show every post with has the words STI or transmission in it so now I have to sift through pages of posts that have absolutely NOTHING to do with what i am searching for. God forbid i do a search for LS# cruise control install in the GTM forums. Then you have a cacophony of answers to sift through.

P

You can use google for searching on every forum with great ease
ex 1: site:thefactoryfiveforum.com sti transmission 818
ex 2: site:thefactoryfiveforum.com "sti transmission" + 818

[longislandwrx]

You can use google for searching on every forum with great ease
ex 1: site:thefactoryfiveforum.com sti transmission 818
ex 2: site:thefactoryfiveforum.com "sti transmission" + 818

always a great tool/advice.

[narkosys]

why have a forum with search functions if you need to use google?

Xusia: yes there are a lot of lazy people who don't use the search functions. but I think what had gotten my goat was seeing 'use the search' on most posts in all the forums I have been to without people bothering to answer the question. and for that I apologise.

as for not being helpful, my followup post had a suggestion to a means of conglomerating all the answers into one sticky thread which would alleviate a lot of this.

anywho back to drooling over the 818

P

[smoove7410]

The F150 trophy truck sounds like a smart next step product. Similar to the subi wrx, the f150 is the best selling truck on the road with an abundant amount of donors available for reasonable prices. When I was thinking about the truck, I envisioned a full tubular frame with sparse bodywork, but the f150 cab intact makes sense.

New build thread: Ferocious50

[mhoward1]

Speaking of trucks, One product I thought would be cool would be a retro truck on an F150 or 1500 frame:

Similar to these:

http://image.customclassictrucks.com/f/12664081+w750+st0/0901cct_07_z+2009_classic_trucks_buyers_guide+red_ chevy_truck.jpg
http://nomadanglers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ford_truck.jpg

I always wanted a classic COE for a tow vehicle for the FFRC on a modern F250 or F350 chassis

[Kalstar]

How do I put this into words.....

May people say what others want to hear, empty words ment to manipulate thoughts or outcomes. Your late night "pep talk" was not a pep talk at all, it was a rare look inside a very special human being. To share your words, is just that "words" but when you bring your emotions of cherished people lost and personal struggles of your family, we are included in a faimily much deeper than that of just a car company. You remind me and hopefully others that this company is far more than a job to you, but a dream come true. It's people like you that make me proud to be an American.

[longislandwrx]

why have a forum with search functions if you need to use google?



Google has arguably the best search algorithm, forums would have to pay top dollar to incorporate it, hence crappy search built in to forums.





back to mentally undressing the 818.

[fact5racer]

Not that I want to go off topic in any way or be in any way a thorn, just putting in my two cents. It is only my opinion and you get what you pay for... To me, local motors did a good job going from crowd sourcing everything to first build in 18 mo IIRC. All of their specs and CAD files / Solidworks files are posted for everyone to see and have. They are currently around the 150 - 200 cars sold / made mark last time I called. I think its pretty sweet considering they started at 50k and are now at 75k. Basically to me at least, they are doing "well" in the fact that they are doing better than I am at the moment. And that any comparable vehicle is sold for over 100k. Also the fact you get to build it over two weekends is a neat idea to me. It takes a lot to get a company going and keep it going. I haven't done it, so therefore I can't criticize with any ground to stand on. All I can do is say, "hey, they are doing well" out of admiration for what they are doing and for only having limited knowledge and insight into the company itself.
That all being said, I def think FFR is an awesome company as well. I know about the same amount about each company i.e. not much. Just that they are both neat companies with neat ideas and offerings. The fact that FFR is coming out with a car at about the 15k range definitely puts it higher on my list in terms of the timeline in life. Though someday I would still like a rallyfighter. We each have our dreams and these two cars are part of mine. I wasn't trying to put local motors above FFR in any way, or the other way around. I am just giving my thoughts that both are awesome companies doing things I wish that I could do or be a part of someday. Maybe after I graduate with my mech engineering degree and start making some money... then maybe. But as of yet, going from serving in the military -> getting married -> going to college hasn't yet put me in a position to do much else other than dream and enjoy awesome companies from the sidelines. :) Massive kudos to FFR for this build / design and doing it all with solidworks and aiming to put it into more of a "middle class" area of opportunity. Can't wait to see and hear from SEMA just like everyone else. :) hope everyone has a great day

You must of called them for information regarding how many they have sold. Seeing I have inside factual information as to how many rally fighter bodies have actually been produced, the number is less than 30! Comparable to 100K? Are you kidding me? It's not even four wheel drive! You can buy a Honda Contour, that from the side and rear looks similar, has four wheel drive, add a lift kit and 33 or 35" tires that will be way more vehicle for a third or a quarter of the money. 30-35 employees, 5 plus years, sales of less than a car every 7 weeks, a factory in Arizona, it's no wonder OBama praised this as the "future" of the automotive industry. The only thing they have mastered is in marketing to investors, not buyers.

To point out I have been working my whole life with my back and my hands as a framer. At the end of each day I turn around and if I don't seee production......I don't get paid. When I see things that do not add up mathematically, I know somebody is getting screwed.

Please don't take this personally, but to compare the success of Factory Five to the status of Local Motors is really comparing Apples to Cow Patties.

[flytosail]

How do I put this into words.....

May people say what others want to hear, empty words ment to manipulate thoughts or outcomes. Your late night "pep talk" was not a pep talk at all, it was a rare look inside a very special human being. To share your words, is just that "words" but when you bring your emotions of cherished people lost and personal struggles of your family, we are included in a faimily much deeper than that of just a car company. You remind me and hopefully others that this company is far more than a job to you, but a dream come true. It's people like you that make me proud to be an American.


Someone agrees with me I see.

[Movieman]

How do I put this into words.....

May people say what others want to hear, empty words ment to manipulate thoughts or outcomes. Your late night "pep talk" was not a pep talk at all, it was a rare look inside a very special human being. To share your words, is just that "words" but when you bring your emotions of cherished people lost and personal struggles of your family, we are included in a faimily much deeper than that of just a car company. You remind me and hopefully others that this company is far more than a job to you, but a dream come true. It's people like you that make me proud to be an American.
Very well said. What brought me here was a search on the roadster as the dreams of my youth came back to me as I turned 60. Then I saw the guy in charge and that interested me. Not many people left that have this drive and passion. Then a trip to FFR showed me that this wasn't someone BS'ing to draw customers but his vision.
Now finances haven't allowed me to persue my dream yet but I will. One day at FFR seeing that operation and more important, the people, convinced me.

[Flamshackle]

You remind me and hopefully others that this company is far more than a job to you, but a dream come true. It's people like you that make me proud to be an American.

I love your words Kalstar^

I am not an American, and if I'm honest have meet far too many americans that are less than inspiring (to put it mildly). My grandpa was a New Zealand soldier and fought as a captain of an artillary detachment in the second world war along side Americans. He spoke very fondly of his american friends but I have failed to see what he did till recently. Much of what I have seen of the country and its people has been missrepresented by the media.

Being a part of this forum has helped change my perceptions of americans. Words written by Dave Smith and others has given me some insights into what built your country, the patriotism is very inspiring. I recently have had a young friend of mine pass away and got the opportunity to meet some really stunning american folk who embodied much of what I have sensed here. FFR, Dave Smith and others have represented the greatness of American culture that I hadn't seen until recently.

I am inspired. This is more than a car and much more than just business.

Keep it up and may God continue to bless America.

[NonProfit]

Google has arguably the best search algorithm, forums would have to pay top dollar to incorporate it, hence crappy search built in to forums.

Not true, Google custom search is free.
http://www.google.com/cse/tools/create_onthefly

[longislandwrx]

Google CSE is free if you love adding google ads all over your site.. Otherwise you pay iirc its hit based so on popular sites it can get costly.

back to staring at this car!

[HelluvaEngineer]

Yea, but they had to fire everyone and find new people that could make a mushy suspension!:D

Well that stinks, I was hoping for a minivan.

[longislandwrx]

Can our resident tire experts take a guess at the tire make/size front and rear in these images?

[David Hodgkins]

Gentlemen, If you wish to discuss the intricacies of web searches further, I suggest you open a new thread to discuss it. I deleted a response or 2 to keep this thread on track.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?3543-PLEASE-READ-Community-and-the-818-forum

Thanks,

:)

[mhoward1]

Can our resident tire experts take a guess at the tire make/size front and rear in these images?

It almost looks like modified Avon a032r, or a Federal.

[Kalstar]

Toyo 18 is my guess.

By the way, saw the street 818 today about 90% together (from a distance) Holly crap! I like it 100% better than the 818R And I love the 818R. I will not go into any specifics as it is not my right, but soon enough the world will see it. I can't believe they can offer this for 10k (Though Dave confirmed it in yesterday's post). F5R has done a great job slotting this car. What I mean is, it is beautiful in it's own right but it does not over shadow their flagship GTM. From where I was I could look at both the 818 and the GTM for a better part of 15 mins and it is absolutely a close relative to the big brother GTM. I am definitely building one.

[Mechie3]

Tires were posted at one point somewhere else. I think he said 255 for the rears.

[mhoward1]

Ah, found it. It is the new Toyo R1R's

http://elitejdm.com/blog_images/Proxes%20R1R.jpg


Should have known given the agreements with Toyo on the RA1's and R888.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

How do I put this into words.....

May people say what others want to hear, empty words ment to manipulate thoughts or outcomes. Your late night "pep talk" was not a pep talk at all, it was a rare look inside a very special human being. To share your words, is just that "words" but when you bring your emotions of cherished people lost and personal struggles of your family, we are included in a faimily much deeper than that of just a car company. You remind me and hopefully others that this company is far more than a job to you, but a dream come true. It's people like you that make me proud to be an American.

Ditto Talk about hitting the nail on the head.

[timmy318]

Well, I guess Dave S. came up for some air before SEMA and now until SEMA starts he's going to stay away from the forum :( Always love reading his inspirational messages!

[longislandwrx]

If that rear tire is a 255/35R18 thats awesome. I'd imagine a 9-9.5" rear wheel? perhaps its 9s all around as that front tire looks like a bit of a stretch.

[Niburu]

let the F5 key mashingfest begin!

[Wayne Presley]

Dave's, pics of the street car being loaded on the trasnporter?

[dbjr63]

when dave said they are working on three more projects. what does that mean? three more complete cars? (like the 818) or new version to GTM and 818 (coupe)?, 818 ecoboost?

[Wayne Presley]

Important note for when the street car pics get posted:
1:Keep extinguisher handy for hair fires.
2:ties shoes really tight to keep socks from being blown off your feet.
3: Factory Five's phone number is 508-291-3443

[Oppenheimer]

when dave said they are working on three more projects. what does that mean? three more complete cars? (like the 818) or new version to GTM and 818 (coupe)?, 818 ecoboost?

Exactly. He isn't telling. Its a surprise.

[dbjr63]

Exactly. He isn't telling. Its a surprise.

personally i hope two pojects are 818 coupe and 818 with Ford EcoBoost engine. 2.0L Turbo @ 262HP and good gas milage.

take my money...

[timmy318]

Important note for when the street car pics get posted:
1:Keep extinguisher handy for hair fires.
2:ties shoes really tight to keep socks from being blown off your feet.
3: Factory Five's phone number is 508-291-3443

In my contacts and ready to call!

[timmy318]

Dave's, pics of the street car being loaded on the trasnporter?

Personally, I like how they gave us a sneak-peak of the 818-S while taking a pic of the 818-R's wing. I want their to be a surprise at SEMA later on. Hopefully no more pics until SEMA, besides, how much are a few more days of waiting going to affect us?

[timmy318]

personally i hope two pojects are 818 coupe and 818 with Ford EcoBoost engine. 2.0L Turbo @ 262HP and good gas milage.

take my money...

Well, I hope that they're two completely different projects than the 818. He already has stated that later on after the 818 has been on the market for awhile that FFR will release a high-mileage version. The 818 coupe on the other hand is also ahead I believe.

[DOHCCOBRA]

If the questions are still being gathered, I do have one that I don't think has been asked.

With the new paint-less body panels, how repairable/modifiable are they. The concept of being paint-less is great, but will it be as workable as fiberglass. Since this has the potential to be a daily driver, if a panel gets cracked will it be required to be replaced.

I ask this not just for repairs, but for the possibility of modifying body panels, to make it look the way the builder wants. With the other cars being fiberglass this has been very easy, and a way to make the car your own, just curious if this will still be an option with the new processes.

[LS1RX7owen]

Great pics, the rear end is ok, not as sexy as I had hoped though, maybe its just seeing the R version with so much venting thats throwing it off for me.

now I am stoked to see the street version!

congrats to FFR on having the 818R asked to be in the KONI booth, thats a huge deal isnt it?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think this car will be a great seller, there are so many car lovers who can afford this budget sized and small-time project car that doesnt need triple digit street speeds to be spine-tingling fun.
Rock on FFR!
keep on bringing more pics!
great progress!
wooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooo!

[Oppenheimer]

With the new paint-less body panels, how repairable/modifiable are they. The concept of being paint-less is great, but will it be as workable as fiberglass. Since this has the potential to be a daily driver, if a panel gets cracked will it be required to be replaced.

I ask this not just for repairs, but for the possibility of modifying body panels, to make it look the way the builder wants. With the other cars being fiberglass this has been very easy, and a way to make the car your own, just curious if this will still be an option with the new processes.

It was stated someplace a while back by FFR that the no-pint panels could still be painted. Forum member recently mentioned it should be like sportbike fairings. You can paint those, you can modify those. You can repair those, but then of course you have to paint them (and try to match the other unpainted panels which then won't fade the same going forward).

For repairs, it was speculated that it might just end up being as cost effective to buy a new panel than to try and repair.

For bike repairs, insurance just pays for a new panels, not repair, for example. I suspect the cost of a new panel from FFR won't cost the silly outragious price that new bike panels cost from the dealer.

[THE ITALIAN]

Dave, congratulations on making it to 1,000 posts.

The most intriguing thing you have said - and you have mentioned this a couple of times now - is that the 818 is only ONE of THREE major projects that FFR is working on! I'm surprised no one has caught up to that statement yet. I have my own wild ideas on what the other two projects are. Can you tell us this:

Are these projects that you have talked about in the past, but put on the back burner?
Are these all in the same vein or could they expand into different areas what people think about when they think of Factory Five?
Do any of these efforts have to do with current FFR offerings?


If you are doing what I think you are doing, I know some folks that will absolutely fall over!

:)

I love this car, I started my wrenching in 4 bangers and turbos ,now I got a new/old goal. I like the idea of the race version with removable internal roll bars?? for passenger.
That idea of a FFR that you can drive into a lake and use a boat ,well that's just dam crazy. This 818 is a great looking car and great idea , we will just have to wait until it matures a little.
I like the fact that "other" manufactures are getting involved with performance after products.

[flytosail]

I love this car, I started my wrenching in 4 bangers and turbos ,now I got a new/old goal. I like the idea of the race version with removable internal roll bars?? for passenger.
That idea of a FFR that you can drive into a lake and use a boat ,well that's just dam crazy. This 818 is a great looking car and great idea , we will just have to wait until it matures a little.
I like the fact that "other" manufactures are getting involved with performance after products.


Flying car version?

[timmy318]

Can't believe I'm posting this but.....:12512

[David Hodgkins]

Wow. Wish you were looking at what I'm looking at!

:)

[David Hodgkins]

Looks like the cars were loaded on the trailer for SEMA today, JUDGING FROM THESE PICS...

[Sultan]

David,
I wonder how far Redmond Washington is to your house.......Oh wait maybe you could just let me remote into your computer just for a few minutes....I almost promise that I would post the pictures.

[WasAWrx]

Post em Dave!!!

[MK4]

This is torture !

Post them
Pleasssssse!

[bbjones121]

I was being productive until I read my thread update email.

[David Hodgkins]

I have a few pics here. I'm uploading them one at a time so you guys don't have a coronary.

The cars were loaded for SEMA today. This first shot is of a VERY NICE '33 being loaded on the truck, with an 818 chassis waiting it's turn:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12513&d=1351039780

:)

[David Hodgkins]

This second shot is a great closeup of the engine on the chassis as it was being loaded on the trailer:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12514&d=1351039784

Oooh. Clean and shiny!! An check out the diffuser on that '33!

:)

[David Hodgkins]

This shot is of the 818R interior, showing the Racepack Display installed:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12515&d=1351039786

:)

[PhyrraM]

Thanks again Dave...And Dave!

[timmy318]

We need something brand new that has never been seen before! Just kidding, thanks for all the UFO you've given us solar AND will continue to give!:)

[rjh2pd]

Twin Turbo!! Looks Great. is the IQ3 intercooler quench / spray?

[PhyrraM]

I believe IQ3 is the dash cluster.

[skullandbones]

That is one serious race interior. I like it!!!

Great shots, David. Thank you, WEK.

[PhyrraM]

......., thanks for all the UFO you've given us solar AND will continue to give!:)

Auto correct? "All the INFO you've given us SO FAR"?

[timmy318]

Haha, yea. Using my iPhone can have its ups and downs these days! :p

[bbjones121]

Awesome

[bbjones121]

This second shot is a great closeup of the engine on the chassis as it was being loaded on the trailer:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12514&d=1351039784

Oooh. Clean and shiny!! An check out the diffuser on that '33!

:)


How do these shift? I ran out to my garage, here is the shift linkage, it looks to just be protruding out the back with a red cap on the 818.

12517

[shim2]

I believe they left the shift linkage off the go kart.

[cyderus]

is anyone one else thinkin to get used drivetrain and purchase other donor parts new. i plan on mine being a partial dd so using worn out parts doesnt make sense. just curious if u guys think this is feasible.