818 SEMA Update WITH PICS!

[longislandwrx]

I always thought they were overpriced, and they most likely are, but if they are the first thing staring at me everytime I open the hood.. er trunk? Might have to get a set.

http://www.perrinperformance.com/p/2195

[Mechie3]

I like those. Didn't know anyone even made them. There's so few people making those (found 1 other vendor making CF ones in the UK) that they can charge almost anything. I'll make my own. One of mine was damaged in the wreck anyways so I'll either need to buy one or make one. Making is free and looks cooler. ;)

[Xusia]

And don't forget the bragging rights associated with making your own! :D

[David Hodgkins]

Ding Ding! I just got email!

:)

[David Hodgkins]

Holy smokes, these are good ones!

Resizing...

:)

[NHolds]

Sure is taking you a long time........

[David Hodgkins]

The first shot of the rear of the 818!

Enjoy!

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12401&d=1350491431

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12400&d=1350491429

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12402&d=1350491432

:)

[formfollowsfunction]

Looking great! any chance for a straight on shot of the rear?

[Etos]

Like the rear side exhaust. The trunk doesn't seem like it'll have a tilt function, at least if the hinges at forward. Maybe if the hinges are at the rear.

This could end up being really nice looking in a coupe. I really can't wait for a coupe!

[David Hodgkins]

Both the front and rear have pins so it looks like both the trunk and hood would be lifted off the car for maintenance.

It looks like the 818 in the background already has interior carpet?

:)

[PhyrraM]

Like the rear side exhaust. The trunk doesn't seem like it'll have a tilt function, at least if the hinges at forward. Maybe if the hinges are at the rear....

Blue is the R version, so that may play into both items.

Not keen on the side exhaust or the overly massive rear vents. Waiting to see the street version.

Overall, looks great though.

[Zodiac]

it's getting better all the time. side vent is ok for now I want to see it when it's complete and decide.

[Mechie3]

Holy smokes, these are good ones!

Resizing...

:)

Nooo! If you resize we can't pick apart every last (insignificant) detail! :lol:


Blue is the R version, so that may play into both items.

Not keen on the side exhaust or the overly massive rear vents. Waiting to see the street version.

Overall, looks great though.

Hard to tell from this angle what they look like. I wonder how much exhaust muffling there is. An 818 with a side turn straight off teh downpipe would be massively loud.

[smoove7410]

Nice!!!!!!! First shots with mirrors and the front carbon lip. I like the integrated exhaust in the rear, and the whole rear end has a 355 look to it.

Also, is the passenger side bubble open to allow air intake, or is it just black?

[Mechie3]

BTW, showed my wife a pic of the blue one last night. Her comment was "where's yours? How come you don't have it yet". haha!

[David Hodgkins]

.../Also, is the passenger side bubble open to allow air intake, or is it just black?

Keep in mind that this is the first test car. Details between this car and the eventual production car can and may change.

With that said, the passenger hump on the R (only) is set up as an intake.

Full detail shots of the 818 will be released when SEMA start both here and on FFR's site to benefit those who can't attend SEMA.

:)

[Mechie3]

Full detail shots of the 818 will be released when SEMA start both here and on FFR's site to benefit those who can't attend SEMA.


Can you send me full CAD models when SEMA starts? ;)

[face08]

Man that is just sexy...

[longislandwrx]

that lip looks fierce. cant wait to see if more CF makes it onto the car!

[2KWIK4U]

Excellent , thanks much Dave for sharing.

Danny

[longislandwrx]

12403

comparing the prototype shot, I do think the rear vents are rather large, but hey a cool engine is a happy engine.

[shim2]

Looks a million times better than the prototype. Man, I wish this car had glass side windows from day 1.

[David Hodgkins]

Oh. Hey. Wait a minute...

More email just arrived. Getting OK to post...

:)

[David Hodgkins]

Cool, OK to post. resizing...

:)

[David Hodgkins]

"Oh my grandpa, what a big splitter you have!"

"The better to suck this race car down to the track, my dear..."

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12404&d=1350505171

MMMmmmm, Carbon Fiber. Nom Nom.

:D

[shim2]

Love that blue. I have a feeling this car is going to sell really, really well.

[wallace18]

Thanks for the photos. I like the rear end. Not sure about the side exhaust though. I am sure owners can get creative on different outlet areas.

[longislandwrx]

That is a nice lip!

I spy:

a gtspec? anti-lift kit.

http://www.gtspec.com/product/gtspec-anti-lift-kit-0207-wrxsti

a cx racing (cheap) radiator

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=RAD-WRX023L&Category_Code=RDSU

[rjh2pd]

I Love the side exhaust, dont care for the huge vents... But it is the track version so they are ok hopefully only a smaller bottom one for the street version.

[Etos]

That is a nice lip!

I spy:

a gtspec? anti-lift kit.

http://www.gtspec.com/product/gtspec-anti-lift-kit-0207-wrxsti

a cx racing (cheap) radiator

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=RAD-WRX023L&Category_Code=RDSU

TIC sells a graphite bushing for the front arm rear bushing. I'd assume getting an ALK would not do well for this car as they based all the designs on the factory mount housing for that bushing.

[flynntuna]

The more I see, the more I like. Its amazing how different the rendering is compared to these photos. One can only imagine what seeing it in person will be like. Better keep plenty of fire extinguishers available at SEMA, no telling how many heads will spontaneously combust.

[RedJoker]

wow... simply wow....

I'm definitely going to need a bigger garage!

[NicksPapaw]

HOLY HAIR ON FIRE BATMAN !!!!!! That is one good looking ride.

[David Hodgkins]

The first shot of the rear of the 818!

Enjoy!

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12401&d=1350491431

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12400&d=1350491429

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12402&d=1350491432

:)

Just so we can have the latest on one page...

:)

[flynntuna]

Looks like the 818 in the background has a center console, you can see the shifter and hand brake on what appears to be a carpeted console.

[RM1SepEx]

I remember when many were freaking out re the first design release...

I told you that we had to trust them, that they were in it fully and they wouldn't let us down...

Looking great, can't wait to be working on my street version in my garage.

Anyone else planning on having a complete car at Carlisle? :-)

[flynntuna]

"Oh my grandpa, what a big splitter you have!"

"The better to suck this race car down to the track, my dear..."

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12404&d=1350505171

MMMmmmm, Carbon Fiber. Nom Nom.

:D

Most likely an option I've got to have. Wonder why no radiator shroud?

[bbjones121]

This is soo exciting!! The back looks much better than I had imagened from the computer models.

I think that the exhaust could better fill some of the rear vent area. The top would be preferred like the GTM. ThE GTM exhaust configuration definitely says it is not a body kit on a production car.

It looks like the intake for the intercooler is from the top vent right behind the left ear of the driver? Also, the right passenger rear cowl? is pulling air through the intercooler? Do you think this is a dual exhaust or is there only room in there for a single barrel muffler. Would that make it sound strange out one side?

[flynntuna]

My guess is the time restraints made the exaust location a matter of keeping it as simple as possible for SEMA, they are bringing 3 cars after all. Once its ready for production, I would hope exauste routing will be like the hot rod, highly customizable.

[0100]

Looks bloody awesome!! I can't wait for all the naysayers (that left town) to see the final product and eat crow.

[cyderus]

this is lookin amazin. cant wait to see what the coupe will look like. being from the midwest and all. what are costs of shipping a kit like this to the chicago area, any guesses?

[Doc_FFR]

The rear end seems to channel the Ferrari F355, which is excellent. The front end still leaves a little to be desired. I am warming it to the design, but I will probably wait until the generation two comes out and make my purchase at that time. Looking forward to seeing the finished product in any case. Don't we still need a name for this thing? Did we ever come up with a name?

[rjh2pd]

Do you think this is a dual exhaust or is there only room in there for a single barrel muffler. Would that make it sound strange out one side? I don't know about room, but my guess would be its only on the passenger side since that is the side that the turbo is on. I'm sure if you really wanted to you could find room to fab up the one for each side. I dont think it will sound weird, think about when you stand to the side of a car it doesn't sound weird just quieter.

[flynntuna]

The way the rear hatch is attached on the 818R using pins (ideal for a track car) is making me wonder even more what the roadster will look like. Dave said a convertible top will be avail. as an option, so how will it be attached? Will it be bolted to the rollbar? Can't wait till SEMA, what is it 12 days from now?

[thestigwins]

Looking for a donor... :)

[mentatbashar]

I wonder what color blue that is? It looks like the Lexus Indigo blue. Sharp!:cool:

[Rockraven]

This version must be painted. No way can you get that metallic blue in a gelcoat. Please tell me I'm wrong. If so, can we expect a MkV Roadster with this process? The one thing scaring me away from a MkIV is the $5-10,000 prep and paint job.

[Silvertop]

This version must be painted. No way can you get that metallic blue in a gelcoat. Please tell me I'm wrong. If so, can we expect a MkV Roadster with this process? The one thing scaring me away from a MkIV is the $5-10,000 prep and paint job.

OK. You're wrong. Metallic gelcoats are absolutely doable. Boat manufacturers have been doing it for decades. However, this prototype is in fact painted. We know that. Whether we get metallics as an option remains to be seen, though.

[riptide motorsport]

Yup.....it does look very nice!

[thestigwins]

This car will cost a lot less to have painted if need be. All panels are small and there are no seams. Prep work should be minimal and all parts can be painted and then put on afterwards.

[PhyrraM]

The blue car IS painted. One of the Daves stated it a while back.

The Roadster (red SEMA car, not seen yet) might be gelcoat - I don't recall if it was stated yet.

[timmy318]

David, my psychic senses tell me that you have received more email..... Do share! :p

[NonProfit]

The first shot of the rear of the 818!
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12401&d=1350491431


It looks real good...is a rear side marker light coming? I thought those were required.

[skullandbones]

I think it would be difficult to have a hinged engine bay hatch unless they design some kind of sliding hinge arrangement. For the track car, that's OK. but not so much for the roadster. Also, I think there will be a very cool dual exhaust exiting from one of the diffusers. IMO. WEK.

[longislandwrx]

TIC sells a graphite bushing for the front arm rear bushing. I'd assume getting an ALK would not do well for this car as they based all the designs on the factory mount housing for that bushing.


I'm just saying what I see, a grey aluminum control arm mount that looks like a gtspec unit... maybe its custom with no caster change.

[Mechie3]

I'm just saying what I see, a grey aluminum control arm mount that looks like a gtspec unit... maybe its custom with no caster change.


My 06 aluminum control arm came with a gray colored aluminum mount.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/04-05-06-WRX-STI-DRIVERS-SIDE-LH-CONTROL-ARM-/00/s/NjY3WDEwMDE=/$(KGrHqNHJDME-mH8Uzi0BPrIQDb11Q~~60_35.JPG

[PhyrraM]

IIRC, even the more common stamped steel control arms have the aluminum bushing housing.

[bbjones121]

I hope that the final roaster has the double loop roll bar behind the headrests. The chassis in the background doesn't.

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

being from the midwest and all. what are costs of shipping a kit like this to the chicago area, any guesses?

I'd bet it will be the same as shipping a Roadster. I picked my roadster kit up at Factory Five (the experience of actually going there is well worth the trip).

[David Hodgkins]

David, my psychic senses tell me that you have received more email..... Do share! :p

Timmy, keep your day job my friend! :D As soon as I get something, you'll know.


I hope that the final roaster has the double loop roll bar behind the headrests. The chassis in the background doesn't.

You're right; the pic of the street roadster in the background does have a single roll bar, although the sides are angled in instead of vertical like the R. I'm in the opposite camp in that I like the single bar. IMO it gives a better view from the rear view mirror. We'll have to see how and if that design element evolves...

:)

[bbjones121]

Separate bars leaves the middle open more for the rear view. a single bar screams kit or racecar to me, it doesn't look refined. It looks like someone wanted to save costs. Maybe I haven't been paying attention. are there any sports cars on the road that have a single high bar like a dedicated track car?

[NonProfit]

Separate bars leaves the middle open more for the rear view. a single bar screams kit or racecar to me, it doesn't look refined.

I prefer the hoops, as well.

[mjn2919]

Hello all,

First time poster, (very) long time lurker. I think the back looks terrific and can't wait to see what the guys bring to SEMA. And one more thing, if I may, it's a pleasure to read a forum with such polite and intelligent members. A big thanks to Dave for his great photos!

[wallace18]

Single bar makes it much easier for a convertible top. IMO.

[bbjones121]

Single bar makes it much easier for a convertible top. IMO.

Yup...cost saver. Hopefully it gets refined with more time. The car otherwise looks great.

[NonProfit]

Single bar makes it much easier for a convertible top. IMO.

I'm not so sure. The top will contain bows to support it. Apart from something like a bikini top for a Jeep, why would a roll bar even come into play?

[David Hodgkins]

Welcome mjn2919! Glad to see you here.

Single or dual hoop doesn't really matter to me. Obviously I have a preference but it isn't a deal breaker. I just wanna see the car @ SEMA! No matter what the final configuration, you can always change it if it matters to you that much. I did this exact thing with my MKIII. I have a single hoop for the driver and another single hoop that spans the car, similar to the "R". That's part of the fun of making it your own.

:)

[NonProfit]

you can always change it if it matters to you that much.

True. And I agree the car looks great either way. However, some things are more easy to modify that others. I've got a long list of ideas for customization, but cutting up the frame isn't one of them

[Xusia]

Doesn't the roll bar bolt to the frame? Seems like it would be easy to change...

[NonProfit]

Doesn't the roll bar bolt to the frame? Seems like it would be easy to change...
Cool, I assumed it was welded.

EDIT: You sure about that?
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12402&d=1350491432
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12382&d=1350330608

[Xusia]

Nope, not sure of anything since actual details are scarce. For the "R" version, I wouldn't be surprised if it's welded. From what I understand, the FFR Roadsters (not the 818 street/roadster) use a bolt on roll bar, so it seems conceivable the 818 street version could as well.

[NonProfit]

From what I understand, the FFR Roadsters (not the 818 street/roadster) use a bolt on roll bar, so it seems conceivable the 818 street version could as well.
Sounds likely. Thanks for the info.

[thestigwins]

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11976&d=1348614814

:)

The 818R is definitely welded.

[David Hodgkins]

The street version roll bar in the background of this shot is welded as well:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12400&d=1350491429

[shim2]

I've been wondering if the street version will have that bar behind the roll bar visible or not. It's not in the renderings.

[Turboguy]

Separate bars leaves the middle open more for the rear view. a single bar screams kit or racecar to me, it doesn't look refined.


um. The 818R IS a racecar.


Not that it matters, but it also IS a kitcar.



If you are looking for refined, perhaps a miata would be more to your liking.

[Rasmus]

That "side exhaust" is starting to look more like a sticker to me. The kind you'd get in the "Buick Vent" section of AutoZone/O'Reillys.

[David Hodgkins]

Turboguy, bbjones121 was talking about the street version.

Rasmus, Factory Five RACING doesn't do faux, or poser. It's real.

:)

[Rasmus]

Rasmus, Factory Five RACING doesn't do faux, or poser.
:) Thought it might have been rice I was smelling. Nope, brakes. So good to know it's not a sticker. I hate the look, but at least it's not a sticker.

Different topic: For the "R" version can we get sticker headlights as an option?

[NonProfit]

hate the look, but at least it's not a sticker.
Routing the exhaust through the lower vent wouldn't be too difficult.

[CallawayTurner]

I'm thinking a GTM-style exhaust for the street version of the 818 with the license plate in place of the top vents and exhaust exiting on both sides of the license plate would be fitting.

[JRach]

With that said, the passenger hump on the R (only) is set up as an intake.


I'm assuming you mean intake for the intercooler? The intake sit's on the opposite side of the car from there (rear drivers side quarter panel).

[shim2]

I'm assuming you mean intake for the intercooler? The intake sit's on the opposite side of the car from there (rear drivers side quarter panel).

The airbox is on the passenger side. You can see it in the picture with the 818 street in the background.

[skullandbones]

Based on the pics I'm seeing, it's hard to believe FFR is coming out with this kit at $9,900. The quality seems to be there on first impression. That chassis is sweet! Also, the panels look great. I suppose the paintless panels are a real technology stretch but I bet they will look as good as the painted ones once they have the process down good. There's nothing cheesy about this project! WEK.

[Zodiac]

are't motorcycle fairings basically paint less panels also? My bike is an 01 and its been holding up great so I'm expecting the same if not better

[thestigwins]

Based on the pics I'm seeing, it's hard to believe FFR is coming out with this kit at $9,900. The quality seems to be there on first impression. That chassis is sweet! Also, the panels look great. I suppose the paintless panels are a real technology stretch but I bet they will look as good as the painted ones once they have the process down good. There's nothing cheesy about this project! WEK.

I would have to agree with you. I just hope they can continue to make these quality parts in mass quantities. The fit and finish of the panels is way better than I expected. If this is truly what we will be getting for $9900 then I have no doubt this thing will have a wait list. I will be looking for a donor as soon as I see the final design unveiling at SEMA.

[timmy318]

One straight rear-end shot is all I'm asking so I can already start to design my final paint-scheme! I can get the front/side view from the pics provided but the rear is still up in the air, and yes, I have to agree with skillandbones and thestigwins that if this is the quality of the kit we get for $10K then this is definitely a must! I already jumped the gun on getting a donor package from AWJ Performance so I'm hoping this thing turns out even more amazing then it looks right now(not sure if that's quiet possible though :p)!

[gwader]

Why is it aaaaaalllllll these car builder/custom blah blah rush this stuff in the last few weeks before SEMA. EVERY YEAR! They know when it is. Can't they just plan this stuff a little better. In the film business. We have to deliver at least a month or more before hits theatres.
I hate to see these 818s rushed into SEMA with "ahhh welll we ran out of time blah blah" "No it doesn't drive yet blah blah."

Or will they deliver something real?

Thoughts?

[skullandbones]

Why is it aaaaaalllllll these car builder/custom blah blah rush this stuff in the last few weeks before SEMA. EVERY YEAR! They know when it is. Can't they just plan this stuff a little better. In the film business. We have to deliver at least a month or more before hits theatres.
I hate to see these 818s rushed into SEMA with "ahhh welll we ran out of time blah blah" "No it doesn't drive yet blah blah."

Or will they deliver something real?

Thoughts?

They've been at it the whole time busting a** but developing a car takes time. It's true that Shelby's developers put the coupe together in "90 days" or so but that too was to meet a very important deadline: Daytona! I think Dave set the goal as SEMA 2012 just like setting the price point at $9,900 and being able to build an 818 for 15k. All are very difficult goals. Dave may be a little more conservative with future goals: SEMA is a close call! WEK.

[RM1SepEx]

gwader

why be so negative? SEMA begins on the 30th... Dave and his crew are busting a** to get 2 cars completed and a bare frame to show off an AWESOME new component car. Single donor, $10K, no paint performance top notch. $15K complete a very doable target budget.

My parents used to say if you don't have anything nice to say... you know the rest. Your comments add nothing to what has been a great discussion.

The unveiling will be a monumental point for the industry... even more so than the Factory 5 roadster was years ago!

My donor parts are hours away from completion, I can't wait to put my money down!

[flynntuna]

Totally agree, and remember Dave has been in this business a long time, FFR is the industry leader for a reason, it takes passion and great leadership to get there. So I have no doubt they will hit a homerun at SEMA.

[PhyrraM]

Who says it's a last minute rush? Paint and final assembly could have been penciled in for this week months ago.

[MK4]

Nothing Nice or constructive to say......... Just find another hobby..... New design taken Time to bring to Life Furether more 2 new ones with à small crew.

[Silvertop]

Who says it's a last minute rush? Paint and final assembly could have been penciled in for this week months ago.

Could be.......... But they probably ARE rushing. Keep in mind that the original plan was to show only one car -- the 818R -- at SEMA, but FFR expanded the goal to two cars and a naked chassis when it became apparent that they might be able to pull it off. And in so doing, made a pile of work for themselves. However, I find that purely admirable -- nothing negative about it.

[NonProfit]

Can't they just plan this stuff a little better.

Thoughts?

Hey Greg, why not start your own car company just to show 'em how it's done?

[Xusia]

They've set what are referred to as "stretch" goals, and are working hard to achieve them. I see nothing wrong with that.

Also the notion that working hard ("rushing") indicates a lack of planning is misguided, because it assumes 2 things that may - or may NOT - be true: 1)That the rushing wasn't planned for; and 2)That proper planning accounted for every possible problem and therefore precludes the possibility of anything going wrong. Anyone who has ever worked on a project of medium size/scope or larger knows better.

[timmy318]

Please people! Be my guest to start a thread here on telling Dave Smith and FFR how they should handle themselves, but THIS thread is dedicated to new developments of the 818 and questions other members have about it, not about finding small things to nag about..... I'm not gonna say that all of y'all can't start a company like FFR and be successful, but until you do, stop telling other people how to run their stuff..... Sorry, typed this thing on an iPhone.....

[flynntuna]

They've set what are referred to as "stretch" goals, and are working hard to achieve them. I see nothing wrong with that.

Also the notion that working hard ("rushing") indicates a lack of planning is misguided, because it assumes 2 things that may - or may NOT - be true: 1)That the rushing wasn't planned for; and 2)That proper planning accounted for every possible problem and therefore precludes the possibility of anything going wrong. Anyone who has ever worked on a project of medium size/scope or larger knows better.

Exactly, just watch the car warrior episode with two teams building two '33 hot rods. that couldent be done without a lot of planning.

[gwader]

Holy Molly. I'm just adding a little drama over here and making a point about SEMA builds at the last minute. Dang! Somebody's must be loving all that reality drama car build shows. Relax ladies. I'm love this thread just the same.

I hope they finish with zero issues, documented build time, and a sweet manuel.

[David Hodgkins]

Now that we've all vented lets get the thread back on track shall we?

:)

[NonProfit]

Now that we've all vented lets get the thread back on track shall we?

:)
Sounds good David, you're the man with the golden inbox.

[Movieman]

I vote we contact some people at the NSA to hack David's inbox!:D

OOPS, did I say that..:p

[Silvertop]

.........You're right; the pic of the street roadster in the background does have a single roll bar, although the sides are angled in instead of vertical like the R. I'm in the opposite camp in that I like the single bar. IMO it gives a better view from the rear view mirror. We'll have to see how and if that design element evolves...

:)

I kind of like the double hoop bars, myself. UNLESS ---- The single hoop bar is destined to be concealed by a matching decorative hoop designed for a soft targa setup......... ! Wishful thinking? Yeah, probably, but I can't resist! Can't wait for SEMA! :p

[flytosail]

Why is it aaaaaalllllll these car builder/custom blah blah rush this stuff in the last few weeks before SEMA. EVERY YEAR! They know when it is. Can't they just plan this stuff a little better. In the film business. We have to deliver at least a month or more before hits theatres.
I hate to see these 818s rushed into SEMA with "ahhh welll we ran out of time blah blah" "No it doesn't drive yet blah blah."

Or will they deliver something real?

Thoughts?

Having built more than just a few things in my life, things don't always go like they do in the movies.

[longislandwrx]

My 06 aluminum control arm came with a gray colored aluminum mount.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/04-05-06-WRX-STI-DRIVERS-SIDE-LH-CONTROL-ARM-/00/s/NjY3WDEwMDE=/$(KGrHqNHJDME-mH8Uzi0BPrIQDb11Q~~60_35.JPG

good to know ty.

[bbjones121]

I am sure whatever they come up with for street version, the roll bar will look great. I can't wait until November! It is awesome to see how dedicated they are to getting this thing done and presentable.

[mhoward1]

I for one am completely offended by what I see in the new pictures and the only way I will take one will be if FFR gives me one for free.

;)

Well maybe not the only way.

[bbjones121]

I am hopeful that a nice carbon diffuser is an option in the rear. Maybe a lower rear end photo might surface sometime soon. ;)

[ClemsonS197]

Dang this car is looking good.

When's the 4 seat version due out so I have a place to put my rugrats?

[Dave Smith]

Hey guys. Hows everything going around here? (me smiling huge).

[BipDBo]

Who let Dave out of his cage?!

We're very excited. The 818R pics seem to have everyone pumped. Any pics available of the street version?

[bromikl]

Dave you sly cat, did you eat a canary?

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

Come on Dave! You gotta give us MORE pictures! Need more videos too.

[Dave Smith]

I can maybe do some Q&A on the cars today. Maybe Hodgkins can round up some questions as I can't get more than an hour or so to reply. The crew has done a remarkable job so far and the late nights are 100% my fault as KONI asked for the 818R to be in their booth at SEMA and 8 weeks ago I said "No Problem" causing us ALOT more work than we had originally planned. Opportunity drives effort in life is the explanation for the late hours and all the work, and the 818 is a great new direction and opportunity for FFR, but it's only one and you guys will just be slack-jawed at the other things we've been working on.

There are going to be alot of questions on the cars that will be answered (mostly) on tuesday morning concurrent with SEMA and we'll post as much detail as we present at SEMA for those who can't attend the show. The design is still in prototype stage, however, what WE call prototype is ALOT more refined and professional than others... the design goals are still intact and I can report that the design maturity and technical skills of the company have enabled our reach to be much farther than even I estimated. I am soley responsible for driving this company and these people harder than we've ever gone before. I'm not in a contest to be popular, but to do great things. The stakes are very high and I have not been kidding around and wasting time during these long periods of silence.

I think you will all be pleased and as the car is at the very headwaters of its design, keep in mind our track record and rest assured MY requirements for the car are higher than any of yours.

[Emefef]

....another long-time (okay, several months) lurker, first time poster.
This has been one of the most exciting projects to follow, of any type. For me, the quality and popularity of the MK4 caught my attention, but there are too many replicas out there (no offense intended). The GTM is way out of reach, I like the idea of the 33 but it's not for me. The Type 65 was what I wanted. Other than a place to build it right now (kind of important), one of my concerns was engine choice. I don't care about a several-hundred-horsepower v8 showpiece. My favourite cars have all been smaller displacement Japanese fours. I love the idea of a well balanced, adequately powered fun-to-drive car.

I've really enjoyed following the drama and the generally positive vibe that comes from the anticipation and the guesswork about even the smallest details. LOVE the pics, the design is awesome. If I don't get to build one for a year or two, my jealousy will build - but I wish everyone who does get in early the best of luck and I'll be following all the builds I can. I am awestruck by the fact that FF can deliver this kit even near this price point. This is going to be very, very popular. Great job FF - you've earned all the kudos, respect and success coming your way.
Mark

[WIS89]

Dave-

Keep fighting the good fight! We all cannot wait to see the results of everyone's hard work!! Tell the whole gang that we love what they are doing, and are chomping at the bit to see their work. And, we can't wait to get started on our own builds. None of this can be possible without what they are doing! Keep kicking *** everyone!!

Regards,

Steve

[BipDBo]

A while ago I asked about the weight. I asked that if the road going version was to be 1800 lbs, would a stripped down track version weigh a little bit less? You responded that you thought that many 818s may be built a bit lighter, particularly for stripped down track versions with natural aspiration. Now that you have an 818R nearly fully built, do you know the final weight? I'm gussing that without a windshield and hinged doors, some weight was reduced, but that impressively stout looking cage may have added it back on.

Also, do you know the power output you were able to achieve?

Is the 818R that is going to SEMA (putting aside the paint) something we may expect to be able to accomplish cheaply, around $15 - $20,000? Are we looking at a very high end, high dollar build?

I'll understand if you would rather save the answers to these questions, particularly the final weight, for the SEMA reveal.

[Xusia]

The question most on my mind is in regards roll up windows. will they be offered on the convertible? If so will we be able to retrofit one of the early kits that didn't come with them? Or will we have to wait for the coupe?

[JAubin]

Dave S - Thanks so much for providing so much insight along the way into what you guys are doing. Having spent time in fast-paced high stakes engineering challenges I know that there's plenty of challenges, nevermind giving people a window into the development of things that are not 100% frozen. The technical aspects of this design are worthy of a ton of attention, but the skin design looks fantastic as well. Can't wait to see the finished product and get all the details, but again appreciate all the extra tidbits while you're in full speed mode...

[WIS89]

this is lookin amazin. cant wait to see what the coupe will look like. being from the midwest and all. what are costs of shipping a kit like this to the chicago area, any guesses?

Cyderus--

I have a perfect deal for you... You buy me a kit too (perhaps Factory Five will give you a volume discount), and I will deliver your car right to your front door FREE!!! I will even put a bow on it! I could even be convinced to help you unload it!

Now, I don't know how you could pass up a deal like that! ;-o)

Regards,

Steve

[Mechie3]

Hmm, pressing questions in my mind at this moment:

Will the 818R be able to accomodate 2 passengers without needing to sawzall the bar out (ie, configurable from the factory for 1 or 2 passengers)?

Pricing of 818R vs 818: Same? 818R higher? Same but 818R requires purchasing additional options to look like the demo (splitter, etc)?

Will the 818R have a step of some sort that makes it easier to hop over the side for DD?

Is there a crash bar in the door of the 818 roadster?

I've been loving the updates Dave H. has been giving. Certainly can't wait for SEMA, can't wait to configure my own, and definitely can't wait to start building.

[WonderDude]

I'm in the camp with some of the others who want to be able to drive it daily. So my first questions is, "Is it going to have some sort of luggage area?"

Thanks! :)

[David Hodgkins]

Mornin' guys, did I miss anything? ;D

I'll gather your questions and submit them to DS in about an hour. Dave, glad to see you back on the board!

:)

[Etos]

Here's my question for Dave Smith:

Car looks great, definitely better then the rendering. However some photoshops came out of the front bumper that IMO really completes the car in a better way. Is there any consideration to either changing or adding a front bumper option that mimicks some of the photoshop ones?

This specifically makes me want the car 10x more if I could possibly get one:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12055&d=1349066913

[timmy318]

My questions for DS are:

Will the 818 be priced the same as the 818R and will it be around 1800 lbs as well?
Will the 818 have roll-up windows at the start or near future?
Will any sort of top be offered for the 818?
Will a splitter be offered for the 818(Not the R)?
Will the panels be offered in different colors?
Will the front bumper be interchangeable?
What is the price of the 818R at SEMA?
Around how many options will be available for the 818 at the start?
Time-frame from unveiling the 818 to accepting orders to actually shipping them out?

[AZPete]

Dave, I think that guys who have previously built an FFR roadster should have preference on the 818 waiting list. We know how to build, solve any problems and get it on the road. Yes, this is self-serving.
AZPete

[BipDBo]

Dave, I think that guys who have previously built an FFR roadster should have preference on the 818 waiting list. We know how to build, solve any problems and get it on the road. Yes, this is self-serving.
AZPete

No, I think an 818 kit should be given to some noob builder to proove that it can be built by any idiot.
hint, hint.

[narkosys]

Since this seems to be 'Ask Dave Smith Questions' day, I have one concerning us Canadians.

I know that the rules for kit imports to Canada need to have some parts removed (such as the fuel system, suspension, steering rack, etc...) but as those parts seems to be all coming from the donor how much easier will it be to get one through customs?

Your company seems to have done the best job in dealing with the Canada Border and Customs Agency to make importing a kit as hastle free as possible and I am hoping that everything is already in the works for us Canadians to bring in this wonderful new car.

P

[timmy318]

Dave, I think that guys who have previously built an FFR roadster should have preference on the 818 waiting list. We know how to build, solve any problems and get it on the road. Yes, this is self-serving.
AZPete

I think it should be people who built a '33 HR.... "Hint, hint" :p

[gwader]

Does the chassis have adjustable engine/tranny mounts?
Will the engine/tranny need new/custom mounting bushings?
Ground clearance? Just thinking in respect to the L.A. lifestyle of horrible drainage dips at every drive way.
Front end air lift option in addition to stock coils?
Door glass and motors?
From the pics it looks like 1/4 20 bolts. Is there a standard bolt FF is using?
Build time?
How much body cutting for lights etc?
Will the kit include urethane adhesive for the mounting the grills etc?
Chassis seam sealer?
How water tight is it?
What doesn't come in the kit excluding the donor.
How soon after a order is made will the 818 be ready for shipping?
Is the 818 made in the same assembly location as the other FF products?
Future 818 upgrades like new front bumper etc?
Will you be coming to L.A. for a showing after SEMA?
Registering the 818 in California as what?
SMOG legal?

First pass.....

[longislandwrx]

I am hopeful that a nice carbon diffuser is an option in the rear. Maybe a lower rear end photo might surface sometime soon. ;)

if not it shouldnt be difficult to add the 06 sti piece.

[longislandwrx]

All I can say is great work. My questions are, what can we as a community do (if anything) to help this project? For us familiar with the subaru aftermarket, are there any pieces you are still needing/looking for that require research?

[Mechie3]

I think first preference should be given to those with a donor torn down ready to go and/or those with subaru knowledge. Those that make time lapse videos of the teardown (and pending build) should get on the beta builder list. ;)


haha


Another question: Has the downpipe adapter changed from the one we last saw?

[Rasmus]

My questions for DS are:

Will the 818 be priced the same as the 818R and will it be around 1800 lbs as well?
What is the weight estimate for the two kits?
Will the final 818R frame have roll hoops, front and rear, that run from floor frame to floor frame in one continuous loop instead of broken up by square tubing?
What are the kit options for the 818 and 818R?

[shim2]

Only thing I'm curious about is if the zip in windows is still the plan and if/when an option for glass power windows will be avaliable

[Etos]

Does the chassis have adjustable engine/tranny mounts?
Will the engine/tranny need new/custom mounting bushings?


It uses the factory style engine and tranny mount. This is good cause you can either use an OEM one for reduced NVH or go firmer. Choice is yours.

[Gus]

Here's my question for Dave Smith:

Car looks great, definitely better then the rendering. However some photoshops came out of the front bumper that IMO really completes the car in a better way. Is there any consideration to either changing or adding a front bumper option that mimicks some of the photoshop ones?

This specifically makes me want the car 10x more if I could possibly get one:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12055&d=1349066913

^+1

[timmy318]

^+1

^+2

[David Hodgkins]

No more questions please. I've just forwarded the ones above and I'm hoping DS has the time to answer them all...

:)

[timmy318]

No more questions please. I've just forwarded the ones above and I'm hoping DS has the time to answer them all...

:)

I shall check back at 3, hopefully we got some new info by them!!!!!

[Mechie3]

Just saw this. Imagine the 818R looking like that from the rear!! Rearrange the vents, route the exhaust....nice!

http://images.freshnessmag.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/10/2013-lamborghini-gallardo-lp570-4-super-trofeo-3-570x354.png

[Mechie3]

My "F5" button is about to break.....


:)

[thestigwins]

You and me both. Not accomplishing much at work.

[skullandbones]

Dave and David,

The roll bar on the street roadster is (so far) been shown as a single hoop. Will there be a cover over that to simplify the rag top sort of like a fabric top Targa or will it be bare bars and conventional rag top? Thank you for the eye candy!!! WEK.

[Desertrunner]

A question,
Will all the bolts be metric on the 818 even the ones supplied as part of the Kit. We live in Australia and its frustrating when we buy equipment from the USA and it has both metric and US bolt sizes in the one pice of equipment. For example John Deere tractor have a mixture of bolts.

[slopoke]

No, I think an 818 kit should be given to some noob builder to proove that it can be built by any idiot.
hint, hint.

Idiot is my middle name ... I think

[Rasmus]

A question,
Will all the bolts be metric on the 818 even the ones supplied as part of the Kit. We live in Australia and its frustrating when we buy equipment from the USA and it has both metric and US bolt sizes in the one pice of equipment. For example John Deere tractor have a mixture of bolts.
I hate that too. Even our car's are starting to come all metric. Just fixed my mom's Pontiac Firebird Window. Metric bolts on everything. Good to see us finally giving up on Imperial measures. Long overdue and might prevent us from crashing a probe into Mars or something.

[David Hodgkins]

Dave Smith is working on the submitted questions from the previous page....

:)

[Mechie3]

A question,
Will all the bolts be metric on the 818 even the ones supplied as part of the Kit. We live in Australia and its frustrating when we buy equipment from the USA and it has both metric and US bolt sizes in the one pice of equipment. For example John Deere tractor have a mixture of bolts.

My Fmod is like that. Metric for the motor, English for the chassis and everything else. Annoying.


Dave Smith is working on the submitted questions from the previous page....

:)

Please make sure he uses complete sentences and restates the question as part of his answer or we won't accept his work.


Gosh I hated when teachers did that in elementary and middle school and it had to be hand written.
Question: "Does the sun revolve around the earth?"
Correct, but not accepted: "No"
Correct, and accepted: "No, the sun does not revolve around the earth."

[Rasmus]

Question: "Does the sun revolve around the earth?"
"Yes, the sun and the earth revolve around each other. The Earth does most of the revolving though."

[Mechie3]

I'm an engineer. I pick the coordinate system. Therefore everything revolves around me, it just makes the math really hard. :D

[Flamshackle]

Ok now I am getting excited!

I am soooo jealous of those of you that live in the states.

I live in New Zealand and the shipping to get this car here along with the currency conversion, paying import tax when it lands then certifying it for our roads is going to cost almost triple its current price tag for me... Still trying to discover cheaper ways of getting it here.

Still

[timmy318]

Questions????

[Mechie3]

Questions????

No.....answers! :)

[GUNS]

I'm curious how the wing will mount. I'd like to be able to remove it for the street and put it on for the track. It'd be a nice to be able to cover up the mounting holes as well.

[Etos]

I'm curious how the wing will mount. I'd like to be able to remove it for the street and put it on for the track. It'd be a nice to be able to cover up the mounting holes as well.

For it to be effective it would need to be bolted to the frame. Having a wing bolted to a trunk makes you lose downforce from having it wasted by pushing down on the trunk first. You'll notice most race teams that use factory cars will cut holes in the trunk to place the wings legs inside which are connected directly to the frame.

[shim2]

You can see the wing mounts in this picture. From the looks, I would assume the wing mounts are bolted or welded to the frame.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12401&d=1350491431

[Hiryu]

Here's my question for Dave Smith:

Car looks great, definitely better then the rendering. However some photoshops came out of the front bumper that IMO really completes the car in a better way. Is there any consideration to either changing or adding a front bumper option that mimicks some of the photoshop ones?

This specifically makes me want the car 10x more if I could possibly get one:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12055&d=1349066913

Yes! This is fantastic! I like this! ;)

[timmy318]

Yes! This is fantastic! I like this! ;)

I used to like this, but now the more and more I look at the actual design for the front end, I'm starting to like it more and more! I know they haven't released any photos of the 818 roadster which is killing me, but I like the front end on 818R and I'm hoping that the roadster has a similar front end. I also like the idea of having a splitter/diffuser(whatever you wanna call it) on the 818 roadster..... I don't want to race this car everyday but would like to be able to race this thing or just be able to see what it can do every month or so just to get a lil' of the speed out of my system!!!! :p

[wallace18]

Thanks Dave Smith for the update. I know I am late for a question. My question would be when would we be able to put down deposits for the kit. As you can see by my Avitar, I am ready to go. Thanks for all you do. I am looking forward to SEMA updates. God Speed to all at FFR.

[fact5racer]

Was at the factory today and the blue car is really stunning! Looks like the 818 is gonna be my 14th FFR build afterall. It will be barely street legal (Pretty easy here in NH), more of an open track car with COMSCC.

[thestigwins]

Was at the factory today and the blue car is really stunning! Looks like the 818 is gonna be my 14th FFR build afterall. It will be barely street legal (Pretty easy here in NH), more of an open track car with COMSCC.

Where are the cellphone spy shots at? :)

[timmy318]

Where are the cellphone spy shots at? :)

yes..... where are they at???? :p

[flynntuna]

Was at the factory today and the blue car is really stunning! Looks like the 818 is gonna be my 14th FFR build afterall. It will be barely street legal (Pretty easy here in NH), more of an open track car with COMSCC.

Are you one of the chosen Beta builders?

[skullandbones]

The 818R is definitely welded.

I think a good way to mount the wing would be to use the square tube running back from the base of the roll cage hoop. The supports would run parallel to tubes and then bend upward to the correct angle to mount a wing. The supports could be fastened by 2 quick release pins on each side. I am not familiar with the racing requirements but I bet it could be designed to pass inspections. IMO, WEK.

Opps! pic of chassis didn't come along.

[fact5racer]

Are you one of the chosen Beta builders?


I probably will be, so as to get it done for track testing. Of course being in such a early stage I'll be doing a lot of custom fabrication but it will greatly benefit factory Five with me supplying both positive and negative feedback to F5 before the production kits start shipping.

[metalmaker12]

DAVE, I too have all my parts ready to go and can't wait to be able to put a deposit down on one. Looking really nice FFR, great job

[timmy318]

I probably will be, so as to get it done for track testing. Of course being in such a early stage I'll be doing a lot of custom fabrication but it will greatly benefit factory Five with me supplying both positive and negative feedback to F5 before the production kits start shipping.

I'd do anything to be a beta builder, can't wait to tear into the kit when they release it!!!!!

[RM1SepEx]

I threw my hat into the beta builder ring about a year ago when they first discussed them... I'm ready with donor parts too

[Mechie3]

Did Dave (and Dave) go to sleep?

[timmy318]

Soon, I'll be all set with a donor package from AWJ Performance! And yes, I believe that Dave S & H did go to sleep.... :( Hopefully he got the questions all answered and tomorrow morning sometime he'll post them!

[flynntuna]

My request be that those lucky to be chosen fully document their build with photos,video and blogs. The only one thas known for sure is Grass Roots Motorsport mag.

[David Hodgkins]

I'm still around (west coast) but I'm sure Dave Smith is done for the evening.

I'll try to get in touch with him first thing in the morning.

BTW I'm hoping to be a beta as well. I already have a few So-Cal folks interested in being on a build team so we can knock out a build and document it for the forum. It's Dave's call though of course...

:)

[timmy318]

I'm still around (west coast) but I'm sure Dave Smith is done for the evening.

I'll try to get in touch with him first thing in the morning.

BTW I'm hoping to be a beta as well. I already have a few So-Cal folks interested in being on a build team so we can knock out a build and document it for the forum. It's Dave's call though of course...

:)

Might try to do that even if I don't get chosen as a beta builder which I highly doubt! It'd be fun to have a couple of friends get together a couple of times a week and just knock out hopefully a couple of pages a day! But.... Being a beta builder wouldn't be that hard considering I already have my parts (well, almost)!!!! :p

[Mechie3]

I plan to document my build with pictures and time lapse the whole thing. It's fun to be able to look back years later and see what you did, what you learned, and how far you've come.

[David Hodgkins]

I'm sorry, MY EYES JUST FELL OUT OF MY HEAD!

:D

[Flamshackle]

I'm sorry, MY EYES JUST FELL OUT OF MY HEAD!

:D

You are cruel! just show us! :D

[Mechie3]

I'm East coast and I'm still awake...make my eyes fly! It kills me that I'll be in Orange County the week after Sema starts, but there for business so a trip to SEMA is a no no.

[timmy318]

I'm sorry, MY EYES JUST FELL OUT OF MY HEAD!

:D

Do not show us and I swear we can have an organized mob outside your house breaking it down within the hour! :p

[timmy318]

I'm East coast and I'm still awake...make my eyes fly! It kills me that I'll be in Orange County the week after Sema starts, but there for business so a trip to SEMA is a no no.

I think he's gone..... :(

[David Hodgkins]

I have seen a FINISHED 818R.

I will post it tomorrow at 12 noon, 9 am PST.

I SWEAR it's not just to tease. my wife is giving me the evil eye.

I PROMISE a complete 818R photo tomorrow.

:)

[Mechie3]

Tell your wife....that....well......

she doesn't care about random people on the internet now, does she. :/


I shall set an alarm!

[NonProfit]

my wife is giving me the evil eye.
As she should!

[timmy318]

I have seen a FINISHED 818R.

I will post it tomorrow at 12 noon, 9 am PST.

I SWEAR it's not just to tease. my wife is giving me the evil eye.

I PROMISE a complete 818R photo tomorrow.

:)

Thank you for ruining my sleep tonight in anticipation for tomorrows shot! :p

[Movieman]

But some of us are at that age where we might not wake up tomorrow.
How would you feel knowing someone left this earthly veil having not seen the completed car and spending eternity wandering the cosmos wondering what it looked like.
Pretty heavy huh?:D

[NicksPapaw]

Dang it. I will be in the mountains today with the grandkids and there is no cell coverage where I am going. Guess I will have to wait till late tonight.

[fact5racer]

Not to burst everyone's bubble, remember, it's not a FINISHED 818R yet. So don't be hoping for a test drive evaluation for a few more months.

[Kwizatz-haderah]

So exiting

[RM1SepEx]

I have seen a FINISHED 818R.

I will post it tomorrow at 12 noon, 9 am PST.

I SWEAR it's not just to tease. my wife is giving me the evil eye.

I PROMISE a complete 818R photo tomorrow.

:)

I NEED to see the 818 street version... be extra nice to see a photo with the optional top too...
Just buttoning up the final donor prep stuff... only sandblast and paint left!

[Kalstar]

Like Gary said, in person, the blue and white 818R is absolutely stunning. Like the GTM the 818 is not as impressive in pictures as it is in person. The car will be very VERY well recieved at SEMA and well beyond. I can't wait to see the street version....... hopefully with a removable hard top sometime in the future. Very big congrats to the F5R team for bringing their ideas to reality and I would like to tip my hat to Dave for taking such a great risk! Great risks come with great rewards.

Well done, well done indeed.

[0100]

The big question is, did Movieman make it through the night? I heard he was on his last leg.

[timmy318]

The big question is, did Movieman make it through the night? I heard he was on his last leg.

I believe that he made it....... :p

[Mark Dougherty]

Hi Dave I have seen it also.
My son Brendan & I just spent the last week at the factory helping the guys put their SEMA 818 cars together.
Brendan is ready to order one today. but he like all others will have to wait untill the kit is finished. Thats ok though.
we now start the seach for the right donor car.
this thing will be an auto X terror.

[timmy318]

Hi Dave I have seen it also.
My son Brendan & I just spent the last week at the factory helping the guys put their SEMA 818 cars together.
Brendan is ready to order one today. but he like all others will have to wait untill the kit is finished. Thats ok though.
we now start the seach for the right donor car.
this thing will be an auto X terror.

That's great! My father and I will build one soon too! Wel, as soon as they roll out the kit of course :D! I got a package from 818donors.com and if you haven't found a donor yet and don't want to mess with taking the car apart I'd encourage you to look at this option. They're still looking for one beta donor build participant...... Just an option I'm throwing at you! My dad and I finally completed our '33 and it was a blast to build! You and your son have fun!

[Maximus]

One question I haven't seen asked is: "How soon until we will be able to order a build manual?" I for one will be ordering that ~6mo prior to starting to assemble my kit parts, but I'll be going about 90% new parts for the car.

[timmy318]

One question I haven't seen asked is: "How soon until we will be able to order a build manual?" I for one will be ordering that ~6mo prior to starting to assemble my kit parts, but I'll be going about 90% new parts for the car.

I'd think a month or so before they release the kit for retail, maybe even sooner to coincide with SEMA(though I highly doubt that).

[Mark Dougherty]

In the past ffr used the beta guys to help make the manual. Im not sure as to when ffr will take orders but There is still alot of work that needs to be done. It will be very exciting from here on.

[Kwizatz-haderah]

Brought a 2010 STI as my new daily driver, searching for a good donor and am selling my motorcycle to find the cost of this build. My last FFR was a blast, but I am much more excited about this one.

[timmy318]

I have seen a FINISHED 818R.

I will post it tomorrow at 12 noon, 9 am PST.

I SWEAR it's not just to tease. my wife is giving me the evil eye.

I PROMISE a complete 818R photo tomorrow.

:)

30 more minutes Dave :p!

[Mechie3]

5 minute warning. Are you up Dave?

[Movieman]

The big question is, did Movieman make it through the night? I heard he was on his last leg.

It was tough but with the aid of a ventilator, 6 bottles of O2 and some prayers I am here!....
tick...tick...tick...tick...:D

( You guys do know that Dave is sitting at his home, reading all this and laughing him self silly! )

[David Hodgkins]

As promised, here ya' go!

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-1.jpg

:)

[timmy318]

As promised, here ya' go!

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-1.jpg

:)

annndddd I just died!

[FFR-ADV]

Call in the dogs, put out the (hair on) fire!

[Stickshift84]

As expected.... mouth hanging open. Love it!!!

[Movieman]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! Dave Smith and FFR just hit the ball not only out of the park but out of the state!

[l2yeP]

Right on time! Very nice

[Sultan]

Oh my!!!

[onequickm4door]

Freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!

[Mechie3]

Im here watching tv and let out a short hushed "dang....".

[timmy318]

total of 44 people viewing this right now!

[onequickm4door]

I can't wait to see the other models

[RM1SepEx]

sweet! great job for the whole team, I'm sure it will really POP in the Koni booth!

Street car photo please... :-)

[MK4]

Sweeeeeeeeeeet!

Mk4

[Kwizatz-haderah]

Nice! Can't wait to see the street car! Do we have pic's from any other angles?

[FFR-ADV]

Boogity Boogity Boogity, Lets Go Racing Boys!

[cyderus]

lookin gr8. cant wait to see street version now. this will definately b my first kit and not my last. originally wanted to do a gtm but this sure changed my mind. and my opinion a better car for half the money, hmmmmm let me see. lol

[timmy318]

Not be be asking even more but any word yet on how Dave S is doing on those questions?

[onequickm4door]

I already have my vanity plate on hold = IBLTTHIS

[David Hodgkins]

Isn't it SWEET? My eyes were bugging out when I saw it last night.

:)

[David Hodgkins]

I have another... basically the same shot but with Jason sitting in the driver's seat to give you an indication of driver placement:

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-1.jpg
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-2.jpg

:)

[Gus]

Very nice!!! I like!!!

[Mechie3]

Nice. That bar really doesn't block your view.

[face08]

12471

[bbjones121]

Isn't it SWEET? My eyes were bugging out when I saw it last night.

:)

Wow! ! That is awesome. I think I would almost rather drive that then a street version. Everyone knows how expensive actual race cars can be.

[gwader]

Dear god! The waiting list is going to be toooooo long! Ohhhhh I have money.... pleaseeee put me on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[skullandbones]

I don't know if this is new ground broken but it sure seems like it. I was thinking the spec racer came after the roadster but in any case it was not an original design. So I would say this is the first original racing design to come out of FFR from the ground up. It's sort of like having twins. The Racing version can say, "I came out first"!!! The street version should be something to see! Thanks Dave and David, WEK.

[Gus]

The wheels looks like Forgestar F14 (http://www.forgestar.com/v2/wheelsf14.php), you can have them in many finishes, almost any offset, any bolt pattern and any width (8,5'' to 12''). I wonder what tire / wheel width they put on there?

[gwader]

Ok now that I'm calm. Lets get down to facts.

9-24-2012, 02:02 PM first images
Yesterday 10-19-2012, 09:00 AM body preped

20 days! 20 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Diablo going on hold, call to make a order, find donor, rent storage space for the diablo, tell wife the good news.

Anyone notice a engine/tranny? Must be just showing the R version naked so users can focus on the changes.
Maybe for race inspectors at SEMA? That would make since.

[Mechie3]

It only says subaru STI figment. It looks like the wheels available from FFR for the GTM. I do like the style though and would like to replicate it.

[Mechie3]

You can see the intercooler in the trunk lid shots. Iirc they were doing the TT legacy motor for the R.

[Gus]

It only says subaru STI figment. It looks like the wheels available from FFR for the GTM. I do like the style though and would like to replicate it.

Just click on the link I posted (no 728) for the wheel details (If that is what you are referring to), you can have them in 18'' for arround 340$ ea (see link (http://www.modbargains.com/Forgestar-F14-FRS-BRZ.htm)), any width, finish, offset, bolt pattern you like.

[Mechie3]

Maybe my phone wouldn't let me see that. Sweet!

[flynntuna]

Wow got to have it! Some how it looks larger than I expected, I'd love to see a new pic. of the FFR line up.

[timmy318]

This waiting list is going be loooonnnnnggggggg........

[slopoke]

any chance at some other angles? ... need more INPUT. darn good looking though ... still dreaming of a coupe with gullwing doors(sigh). In the mean time lets go racin'!!!

[ursa5000]

I opened the thread, saw the latest picture and nearly fell out of my chair. FANTASTIC !! My wife's only words, "Are you on the wating list yet?"

Dave and the entire FFR team has demonstrably shown the automotive world what American ingenuity, hard work, and the free enterprise system can accomplish.

Da Bear

[WasAWrx]

Wow...love it!!! I can't wait to see the street version, too bad I can't see it in person. If anyone between Denver and Vegas has an extra SEMA ticket I'll drive ;)

[David Hodgkins]

Oh lordy. More email!

:D

[WasAWrx]

Share Dave share!!!!

[skullandbones]

Is the wing just a transplant from the GTM? That will be an expensive option but it sure looks like it's made for the car.

Also, I agree that it looks larger than I expected. Could be the bulging eyeballs!!! WEK.

[Movieman]

Oh lordy. More email!

:D
Well? Or do we all have to threaten "Beatings" to get you motivated? LOLOL

Gasps for breath.. Be quick David or I might not make it! :D

[David Hodgkins]

Hang on a sec, I'm uploading to another server to be sure visitors can see the images...

:)

[Maximus]

Come on man, I have an endocrine midterm for med school to study for, show the info so I can get away from the screen! But hey, what better motivation to do well! 18 months...

[mentatbashar]

Very nice! I'm such a sucker for that color blue and white wheels. :o:rolleyes:

[Mechie3]

Its ironic that F5 is short for Factory 5 because its the only button getting any use.

[David Hodgkins]

OK, sorry for the delay.

This first of 4(!) shots shows Jason in the cockpit, from the side. Notice how low he. That's good for me!:
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-3.jpg

He's another shot of the car. Notice the poster in the background? I'd say FFR was able to really stick to their design goals, showing the power of the HP Solidworks platform:
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-4.jpg

:)

[timmy318]

2 more David!!!

[David Hodgkins]

This next shot shows the width of the front wheel pretty well. We also ca see the first glimpse of the 818S (Street) in the background!
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/Spyshot818R-5.jpg

:)

[GUNS]

I'll take mine in black with graphite wheels please.