818 SEMA Update WITH PICS!

[Mechie3]

Most of the parts can be reconditioned rather inexpensively: Clean up, paint, new seals, new bearings. Buying new OEM parts or even reman. parts can be expensive and won't include the seals and bearings anyways.

That chassis is definitely the "S" chassis. Still not much side impact protection. Hope there's something in the door. I'm torn between wanting a full out "R" and needing to wear a helmet at all times (bare head next to a roll bar is bad ju ju) or go "S". I don't currently race or do track days, and it (for now) isn't planned to be an AX car (have my Fmod for that), but I'd hate to change my mind later and wish I had a full out racer. I guess the only real option is to build one of each. :D

[fateo66]

Did anyone else notice the shift pattern on the shift knob? I wonder if that is correct?

[bbjones121]

I will be mostly using it as a daily driver. I plan to get used parts. There are so so so many available. Purchasing new seems to be a waste in my opinion. This car will be so much lighter than the car that the parts will be coming off of, that they will last forever. They are Subaru parts to begin with, so they already last for a very long time.


is anyone one else thinkin to get used drivetrain and purchase other donor parts new. i plan on mine being a partial dd so using worn out parts doesnt make sense. just curious if u guys think this is feasible.

[PhyrraM]

Don't forget that it seems that in addition to a helmet only car, the "R" is also a harness only car - as the OEM collapsable steering column is replaced with a fixed "stab you in the chest if you slide forward" column.

IMHO, it seems the 818R is designed for the track only (and likely designed specifically for an as-yet-unannounced spec racing series). Those wanting true dual purpose car are best starting with the 818S (for the 2 passenger, safe for the street frame) then ticking the option boxes (for the bodywork) and breaking out the welder (For the roll/crash structure to fit your chosen class rules).

[onequickm4door]

Most of the parts can be reconditioned rather inexpensively: Clean up, paint, new seals, new bearings. Buying new OEM parts or even reman. parts can be expensive and won't include the seals and bearings anyways.

That chassis is definitely the "S" chassis. Still not much side impact protection. Hope there's something in the door. I'm torn between wanting a full out "R" and needing to wear a helmet at all times (bare head next to a roll bar is bad ju ju) or go "S". I don't currently race or do track days, and it (for now) isn't planned to be an AX car (have my Fmod for that), but I'd hate to change my mind later and wish I had a full out racer. I guess the only real option is to build one of each. :D

As of right now with no other information available, I will build the R and cut out the diagonal bar to make the passenger seat functional and have more protection

[timmy318]

Don't forget that it seems that in addition to a helmet only car, the "R" is also a harness only car - as the OEM collapsable steering column is replaced with a fixed "stab you in the chest if you slide forward" column.

IMHO, it seems the 818R is designed for the track only (and likely designed specifically for an as-yet-unannounced spec racing series). Those wanting true dual purpose car are best starting with the 818S (for the frame) then ticking the option boxes (for the bodywork) and breaking out the welder (For the roll/crash structure to fit your chosen class rules).

Agreed. IMHO, the way the 818-R is built with the cage and everything, you would need to wear a helmet at all times while driving which would severally hinder your visibility. Besides, pretty sure not many people would want to wear a helmet for everyday driving.....

[Sergio]

Agreed. IMHO, the way the 818-R is built with the cage and everything, you would need to wear a helmet at all times while driving which would severally hinder your visibility. Besides, pretty sure not many people would want to wear a helmet for everyday driving.....

I don't mind it, in fact I love driving my car on the street and freeways with my helmet on and I will drive my 818 the same way
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c372/SuperCobra4Me/HuntingtonBeach041A.jpg?t=1234322987

[David Hodgkins]

BAM!

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12519&d=1351045509

:)

[Mechie3]

I would wear a helmet. Just like wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle. My concern is someone T bones you in the S and the only side support is flush with the edge of the seat. From there to the dash is open, and even a small car would ride over you if the door didn't have a crash bar. I had DOT legal harnesses in my WRX when it got wrecked. They performed quite nicely. My only damage from a wreck that totaled my car was a sore nose (airbag barely tapped it) and a brush burn on my arm (from not letting go of the wheel with both hands just before impact).


EDIT: And Dave sneaks a pic in! I think I like that simpler rear better. Not sure about the lights. Almost looks like it needs a frame around it. Hard to tell with just that one pic to make judgement though. I'd like a through the bumper exhaust better. I think something like this might make it stand out better:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f3/74323d1203520528-black-painted-tail-light-section-la-240-australia-00_lotus_exige_240_img_2920.jpg

[bbjones121]

I like the back end, but something needs to be done with all that flat empty space between the left and right lights and that exhaust has got to come out of the black mesh or higher like the GTM.

[MK4]

Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This much fun should be illegal!

[PhyrraM]

Glad to see the vents on the "S" are more reasonable. The trim pieces next to the plate look good from this angle. As mentioned by others, the control on the body part lines looks really good. Great job Dave, Jim and all!


If I had to nit-pick the lights are plain and the exposed screw heads kinda shows the kit-car roots. But those are not big enough nit-picks to even worry about at this point.

Edit: Are reverse lights absolutely required in any states? Or only for mass produced cars?

[Samiam1017]

[QUOTE=PhyrraM;76406]Don't forget that it seems that in addition to a helmet only car, the "R" is also a harness only car - as the OEM collapsable steering column is replaced with a fixed "stab you in the chest if you slide forward" column.

Most Raceing columns are collapsible. And if you put two joints between the column and the rack that would absorb most of the impact before the column collapses. But most are probably way more money then a used stock column.

[skullandbones]

Glad to see the vents on the "S" are more reasonable. The trim pieces next to the plate look good from this angle. As mentioned by others, the control on the body part lines looks really good. Great job Dave, Jim and all!


If I had to nit-pick the lights are plain and the exposed screw heads kinda shows the kit-car roots. But those are not big enough nit-picks to even worry about at this point.

Edit: Are reverse lights absolutely required in any states? Or only for mass produced cars?

I'm thinking Dave and Dave are anticipating regs in other parts of the world, too. Personally, I would like to have seen dual tail lights. Maybe they don't want it to look too much like a GTM clone. Through the body exhausts are the only way to go IMO. That shouldn't be much of a mod though. Look pretty good! Thanks for the sneak peek!!! WEK.

[Oppenheimer]

I like the back end, but something needs to be done with all that flat empty space between the left and right lights and that exhaust has got to come out of the black mesh or higher like the GTM.

First let me say, DAMN! That looks nice.

Second, I agree with the above, and let me add, a diffusor would be nice too. This is the first iteration, little things can make it really pop, and won't take a lot of effort. It will happen in time.

For the space between the lights, something as simple as a blacked out area like the Exige soon might work.

[bbjones121]

Great work on the body panel shapes and curves. The small gaps are amazing.

[bbjones121]

Yeah, I don't think it will take much at all to spice it up a bit.

[timmy318]

I'm thinking Dave and Dave are anticipating regs in other parts of the world, too. Personally, I would like to have seen dual tail lights. Maybe they don't want it to look too much like a GTM clone. Through the body exhausts are the only way to go IMO. That shouldn't be much of a mod though. Look pretty good! Thanks for the sneak peek!!! WEK.

Yea, I'm definitely going to re-route the exhaust through the vents because I find that it just looks so much cooler/nicer/awesomer running through the vents than coming from under the car in a car of this caliber!

[rjh2pd]

I like it. It looks like there is a cut out for a different tail lights or just a lens over the top. I would also like to see something between the tail lights as well, or even painted a different color like the lotus. I would probably reroute the exhaust to be like the 818R, i LOVE that side setup.

[timmy318]

I like it. It looks like there is a cut out for a different tail lights or just a lens over the top. I would also like to see something between the tail lights as well, or even painted a different color like the lotus.

I agree with that. If FFR offered a lens to go over that I'd definitely consider buying it instead of painting it or figuring out what else I should do to satisfy me.

[smoove7410]

Not feeling the street rear at all. Exhaust tips look comical. Of course, paint, like on the exige, and routing the exhaust through the mesh area will make it better, but this thing is begging for a rear diffuser.

[narkosys]

ok that picture of the rear is drool (same would even say fap) worthy! I can't wait to see the full view of the 818S. I also think that the space between the lights is too empty and the exhaust will look great through there. But I am reserving judgement on that one until the big reveal. Still this is a sexy looking car that I can't wait to build and drive. Great job Dave S and the build team!

I am planning on getting some LED tail light rings along with reverse light modules from Hella to replace the ones shown in the pics. Looking at the picture I will put the reverse lights where the turn signals are (the clear light with the yellow bulb) and put the turn signal module inside the tail light ring.

P

[BS Mods]

Wow wow wow! Very nice. As others have said, that is too much wide open space in the rear middle. A dose of satin black, or carbon fiber, in that whole area would look good but that's something we can do on our own to personalize the car.

Very good work on the car, great job being finished on time, and thank you very much for bringing dreams to life.

[cyderus]

thinkin between lights a blacked oval with some nice 818 nameplate or even airbrush. cant wait to start making mine my own. keep up the great work guys and i will soon be putting my financials involved(building one)a big thank you to both daves and the team at ffr and all parties involved.

[NonProfit]

I like the back end quite a bit. It's new and distinct, but I see a Ferrari 275GTB vibe to it.

12520

I like it a lot!

But for those who don't like it, you've got a couple of options. Seems like it would not be too difficult to a) relocate the plate and combine the existing vents into a single outlet. b) route the exhaust between the tailights, or c) add your own flavor upper vent.

I do wonder if the taillights are a standard size; LED's could be cool.

[DOHC46]

Do you guys think that red is paint or the gel-coat?

EDIT: Also really surprised and excited to see a twin-turbo setup on the go-cart! Cant wait to hear more info on that.

[Xusia]

is anyone one else thinkin to get used drivetrain and purchase other donor parts new. i plan on mine being a partial dd so using worn out parts doesnt make sense. just curious if u guys think this is feasible.

I believe that's what they sell as a "complete kit." In other words, everything you need except an engine and transmission (and associated bits like a computer).

[Xusia]

In regards to the pic of the rear of the 818S, I respectfully think the naysayers are crazy! It looks sick. I love it! It exceeds my expectations...

[skullandbones]

I like the back end quite a bit. It's new and distinct, but I see a Ferrari 275GTB vibe to it.

12520

I like it a lot!

But for those who don't like it, you've got a couple of options. Seems like it would not be too difficult to a) relocate the plate and combine the existing vents into a single outlet. b) route the exhaust between the tailights, or c) add your own flavor upper vent.

I do wonder if the taillights are a standard size; LED's could be cool.

I sort of got the same impression: that the rear end is a canvas that could be "painted" in various ways to get a personal distinctive look. There is a very large flat portion that could be easily modified. One combination would be to move the license plate up to the upper panel and inset it. Then the lower diffuser could be one peice with the exhausts places in multiple nice combinations. There are a lot of possibilities. WEK.

[Flamshackle]

BAM!

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12519&d=1351045509

:)


wow that does look hot... MORE MORE PICS!

[longislandwrx]

look... what... how'd they.. Just WOW.





Ready?


FFR will indeed have three 818's at SEMA; A street car (likely painted red metallic), the 818R (which will debut in KONI shocks display in same graphics as rendering) and a rolling chassis (with the twin-turbo legacy engine) in the FFR display.
FFR will launch the car as a roadster and will hit the $9900 price point target. A soft top is planned to be offered concurrently with launch made by rod tops (same as high-line cobra and 33 HR).
Body panels on the first 3-5 cars will be red gel-coated hand-laid fiberglass and the plan is to quickly transition to resin-infused or thermo-formed plastic (no paint) panels that are in-process currently.
The subject of DEPOSITS was discussed and the current info is that FFR MIGHT take deposits at, or just after SEMA!




looks like Dave was spot on with everything FF was taking to SEMA! Lets hope he's right about deposits!

[flytosail]

Do you guys think that red is paint or the gel-coat?

EDIT: Also really surprised and excited to see a twin-turbo setup on the go-cart! Cant wait to hear more info on that.

How abut just "hearing" that? I can only imagine the locals the first time that gets gocarted around the neighborhood.

As far as the back end goes, works for me.

[Someday I Suppose]

Wow, was away last week with the family and just getting caught up. Jim, you are my hero dude, amazing job, not just on the car, but on getting these things together in time for SEMA, what a huge challange, and an amazing looking car.

Looking forward to seeing more of the street version.

Dave and the whole crew, you are going to have a heck of a lot of fun at SEMA this year!!

Scott

[Emefef]

is anyone one else thinkin to get used drivetrain and purchase other donor parts new. i plan on mine being a partial dd so using worn out parts doesnt make sense. just curious if u guys think this is feasible.
I'm thinking I want one so badly I'll have to rent someplace to build it. That will significantly reduce the allowance for new parts!

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

I'm officially hooked. I touch base with this thread a couple times a day just to see what is new. I'm really impressed and know that I'll be building one of these once I can really touch one (and get a ride in one). I won't be one of the first to build it, but I will be one to build it (and drive it!).

[michael everson]

If anyone needs one of these built due to time or knowledge, I would be willing to take it on at a recuced rate. Would love to get one of these in my shop and get going on it.

[David Hodgkins]

TODAY will be a GREAT day! Stay tuned boys and girls, and have a fire extinguisher handy!

:)

[michael everson]

What a tease.

[Silvertop]

I'm thinking Dave and Dave are anticipating regs in other parts of the world, too. Personally, I would like to have seen dual tail lights. Maybe they don't want it to look too much like a GTM clone. Through the body exhausts are the only way to go IMO. That shouldn't be much of a mod though. Look pretty good! Thanks for the sneak peek!!! WEK.

There are going to be lots of opinions about the best way to route the exhaust, and all of them will be correct. It is really a matter of personal preference, dictated to some degree by performance modifications and space available. It's a kit car. You'll be able to build it the way you want it.

I think FFR is right to send the default exhaust on the 818S out the bottom the way they did. It leaves all options open. Just my .02.:)

[David Hodgkins]

What a tease.

Sorry Michael. I just couldn't contain my excitement! I've been told that sometime today I will get to release the first non-cell-phone pics. As soon as I know what time that will be, I will pass it along.

:)

[Silvertop]

TODAY will be a GREAT day! Stay tuned boys and girls, and have a fire extinguisher handy!

:)

I'll bet you never expected that being a forum administrator would be that much fun!

Extinguisher at the ready.

[Emefef]

Sorry Michael. I just couldn't contain my excitement! I've been told that sometime today I will get to release the first non-cell-phone pics. As soon as I know what time that will be, I will pass it along.

:)
There's no time like the present! I tried to find who said that first, but only found this:
This adage was first recorded in 1562. One compiler of proverbs, John Trusler, amplified it: "No time like the present, a thousand unforeseen circumstances may interrupt you at a future time" ( Proverbs Exemplified, 1790)

I was hoping for another 12:00 pm showing.....guess not.

[rjh2pd]

12:00 central :D

[Oppenheimer]

The FBI Cyber-Crimes division today announced detection of a potential new cyber-terrorism threat. Unusual patterns of constant, repeated browser refreshes have been occuring on PC's located throughout the US. Reports indicate similar patterns have been detected in Canada, and several other countries as far away as New Zealand. Its unclear if this is an attempt at some sort of Denial-of-Service attack.

The FBI spokesman stated they have been unable to trace the source of the apparent threat, but strangely all the affected machines are all refreshing the same page, which belongs to a small Massachusetts manufacturing company.

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

TODAY will be a GREAT day! Stay tuned boys and girls, and have a fire extinguisher handy!

:)

You just HAVE to rub it in don't you?

[LS1RX7owen]

Wow thats nice to see the rear of the gokart in such detail, NICE!

The back end of the streetcar looks good, I too would like something a little different back there but just Exige like black paint can make a huge difference.

Will there be a small light over the rear license plate? I think thats required per NYS DMV but maybe not on kitcars. Its a nice feature regardless, for safety and some subtle lighting as well.

so stoked to see big pics of these at SEMA and hear what people think!

[narkosys]

if you take a closer at the pegs holding the license plate to the car, those are lights. you can see them here (http://www.factoryfiveparts.com/gtm-license-light-bracket-components/).

P

[Silvertop]

The FBI Cyber-Crimes division today announced detection of a potential new cyber-terrorism threat. Unusual patterns of constant, repeated browser refreshes have been occuring on PC's located throughout the US. Reports indicate similar patterns have been detected in Canada, and several other countries as far away as New Zealand. Its unclear if this is an attempt at some sort of Denial-of-Service attack.

The FBI spokesman stated they have been unable to trace the source of the apparent threat, but strangely all the affected machines are all refreshing the same page, which belongs to a small Massachusetts manufacturing company.

White House Administration has announced that the new threat appears to be spontaneous in nature, a reaction to a video of a compact 4-wheeled vehicle utilizing multi-national components. A swift investigation is planned which is expected to take no more than four years.

[Duratec7]

Sorry Michael. I just couldn't contain my excitement! I've been told that sometime today I will get to release the first non-cell-phone pics. As soon as I know what time that will be, I will pass it along.

:)

Please post them to the forum server, when they are posted to a picture server I can't see them from work and I'll have to wait 'till tonight to see them.

[David Hodgkins]

Please post them to the forum server, when they are posted to a picture server I can't see them from work and I'll have to wait 'till tonight to see them.

We'll do. Thanks for reminding me, because I definitely want EVERYONE to see!

:)

[rjh2pd]

The main suspect at this point is David Hodgkins. If he is found guilty of torture he could serve a maximum sentence of life in Guantanamo bay. If it stops now no further action will be taken.

[WIS89]

David-

I have friends in GITMO. One phone call and a "special" rendition flight with a pair of SEALs arriving in your driveway to "escort" you will be arranged. How about we avoid this possible outcome, what do you think?

Dude, seriously waiting for some pictures, and also serious about that phone call!! ;-o)

Regards,

Steve

[David Hodgkins]

You guys have no idea. All I gotta do is lie down on the ground and I am immovable! You'd need a 10 ton forklift to move this belly! Buuwwwaaaaaa hahahahahaaaaa!

Seriously, I'm waiting just like you guys. I will waste NO TIME posting as soon as I get the OK!

:)

[Niburu]

F5...............f5...................f5.......... ...........f5...................f5

[Dave Smith]

Yikes!

I actually know some Special Forces guys who are customers and I guess I'd rather spill some beans than have to take my turn at the water board... Dave Hodgkins has ONE photo that will be part of our website roll-out next week. The cars are on their way to SEMA and the entire team here is simply EXHAUSTED from the last two months effort. What was I thinking asking these guys to do all this?! OK Dave, post the pic of the 818R with the 818S in the background. Guys, Im still recovering form SEMA prep and will have more details shortly, and yes, alot of answers to your questions.

[JAubin]

Fire extinguisher safety pin pulled... F5

[prematureapex]

*cough*

[Doc_FFR]

Ahem.

[David Hodgkins]

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/818R-and-S_web.jpg


Commence drooling!

:)

[Maximus]

Sold!

[prematureapex]

That'll do FFR, that'll do.

[anthonyb]

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[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

I am really dying now to see a LOT of pictures of the street version. What I can see of it, I really like. darn... I've got drool on my shirt...

[michael everson]

Come on. Full side view please.

[Silvertop]

Well, it's certifiably beautiful, at least the portion we can see. And it looks nice in red..........

I spy a curvature behind the 818S passenger's seat that does not seem to be present on the 818R. Could be the sides of a Targa Hoop. Or wishful thinking. In any event, I'm pumped. It's great.

It's also another masterful tease. Great Job !!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm ready with my deposit!

[Dave Smith]

I had to leave some red 818S to the imagination...

Seriously guys the team here has done such remarkable work. I know you have a TON of questions, but I'd rather spend the small time we have getting our factual updates and photography done for the website and ready for Tues launch. Someone mentioned to me why all the work for SEMA. I can answer that.

SEMA is about what is new and exciting in the auto industry. As a company, if you're not there, youre not part of the auto industry, or you are afraid to show your wares against the best in the world. We look forward to the show as our products stand up well to the scrutiny. We've earned Best Engineered Product, Best in Show, and maybe this year, Best New Product... These awards are against the best in the auto industry, not the best at some local car show. SEMA is about being the best and the 818 will show the world what a small American company can do when driven by pure passion, enabled by modern technology, supported by great customers and helped by loyal suppliers and partner companies... and dare I say, lead by someone who LOVES his job, loves the people whom I work with and for, and LOVES our country.

Factory Five will win because I'm not trying to make money, I'm trying to build a great company and make our mark in automotive history. "A man's reach shoud exceed his grasp". Indeed it has with the 818, but in the process and along the way we realized as a team just how much further our grasp was able to be! Hold on everyone, the best is yet to come!

If there was an instrument that measures pride in a job well done and you attached it to me right now, it would explode immediately.

[Frozennorth]

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/818R-and-S_web.jpg


Commence drooling!

Drooling engaged, check writing fingers standing by!

[BipDBo]

Looks great Dave. Can't wait to see it in person some day.

And I'm glad you took care of those tupos.

[djtrav]

wow, wow, wow, excited! I know I know your leaving speculation out the window, but I really hope the 818S comes with a hardtop. Good Luck @ SEMA!

[Kalstar]

What about the ecoboost? Still in the plans?

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

I had to leave some red 818S to the imagination...

Seriously guys the team here has done such remarkable work. I know you have a TON of questions, but I'd rather spend the small time we have getting our factual updates and photography done for the website and ready for Tues launch. Someone mentioned to me why all the work for SEMA. I can answer that.

SEMA is about what is new and exciting in the auto industry. As a company, if you're not there, youre not part of the auto industry, or you are afraid to show your wares against the best in the world. We look forward to the show as our products stand up well to the scrutiny. We've earned Best Engineered Product, Best in Show, and maybe this year, Best New Product... These awards are against the best in the auto industry, not the best at some local car show. SEMA is about being the best and the 818 will show the world what a small American company can do when driven by pure passion, enabled by modern technology, supported by great customers and helped by loyal suppliers and partner companies... and dare I say, lead by someone who LOVES his job, loves the people whom I work with and for, and LOVES our country.

Factory Five will win because I'm not trying to make money, I'm trying to build a great company and make our mark in automotive history. "A man's reach shoud exceed his grasp". Indeed it has with the 818, but in the process and along the way we realized as a team just how much further our grasp was able to be! Hold on everyone, the best is yet to come!

If there was an instrument that measures pride in a job well done and you attached it to me right now, it would explode immediately.

Dave,

Again you show us why many of us have already spent a lot of money on your product(s) and why we are looking forward to doing it again. THANK YOU!

[narkosys]

that one little view has cemented my decision to put my plans for the GTM on the backburner in favour of the 818S as a first build project. I am looking forward to being able to purchase the build manual, and then the car itself.

job well done!

P

[michael everson]

Great job as usual Dave. As a long time customer, I cant wait to get my hands on one. Is there room for my tent in your parking lot when ordering starts?

[Oppenheimer]

What I really like about that pic, that the original rendering could not capture, was the coke-bottle shape of the sides and the magnitude of the fender flares (which you can see in the 818R, not the 818S). Some of the earlier spy shots of the 818R in the garage gave hints to this, but seeing it all put together it really pops.

Fantastic, and I can't wait to see more next week.

I hope you have a really big sign for the SEMA booth that says KIT = $9,900, otherwise people are going to walk by and assume its some unaffordable $60K car.\


PS - What were the final weights of the 818R & 818S? Of course, they will change a little once you switch to the real no-paint plastic panels, and probably other minor things as well for production, but still very curious.

[WIS89]

I had to leave some red 818S to the imagination...

Seriously guys the team here has done such remarkable work. I know you have a TON of questions, but I'd rather spend the small time we have getting our factual updates and photography done for the website and ready for Tues launch. Someone mentioned to me why all the work for SEMA. I can answer that.

SEMA is about what is new and exciting in the auto industry. As a company, if you're not there, youre not part of the auto industry, or you are afraid to show your wares against the best in the world. We look forward to the show as our products stand up well to the scrutiny. We've earned Best Engineered Product, Best in Show, and maybe this year, Best New Product... These awards are against the best in the auto industry, not the best at some local car show. SEMA is about being the best and the 818 will show the world what a small American company can do when driven by pure passion, enabled by modern technology, supported by great customers and helped by loyal suppliers and partner companies... and dare I say, lead by someone who LOVES his job, loves the people whom I work with and for, and LOVES our country.

Factory Five will win because I'm not trying to make money, I'm trying to build a great company and make our mark in automotive history. "A man's reach shoud exceed his grasp". Indeed it has with the 818, but in the process and along the way we realized as a team just how much further our grasp was able to be! Hold on everyone, the best is yet to come!

If there was an instrument that measures pride in a job well done and you attached it to me right now, it would explode immediately.

Dave-

While you certainly don't need my approval, you and your team have done a magnificent job! In fact I lack the vocabulary to adequately express what I think of what you have accomplished!

Please pass on to your entire exhausted team just how proud we are of their work, and that I hope their chests are swelling with pride! What extraordinary work and awesome results!

I am thrilled to bear witness to American greatness. It is alve and well and coursing through the veins of your team! I am blown away, and can't wait to see more.

Travel safely to SEMA, and to borrow from Mr. T, I pity the fool that has to compete against you for a prize. Go kick some ***! We are all proud of you!! Glad I didn't need to call in the SEALs.... ;-o)

Now I need to get my 818 on order!!

Regards,

Steve

[Movieman]

I had to leave some red 818S to the imagination...

Seriously guys the team here has done such remarkable work. I know you have a TON of questions, but I'd rather spend the small time we have getting our factual updates and photography done for the website and ready for Tues launch. Someone mentioned to me why all the work for SEMA. I can answer that.

SEMA is about what is new and exciting in the auto industry. As a company, if you're not there, youre not part of the auto industry, or you are afraid to show your wares against the best in the world. We look forward to the show as our products stand up well to the scrutiny. We've earned Best Engineered Product, Best in Show, and maybe this year, Best New Product... These awards are against the best in the auto industry, not the best at some local car show. SEMA is about being the best and the 818 will show the world what a small American company can do when driven by pure passion, enabled by modern technology, supported by great customers and helped by loyal suppliers and partner companies... and dare I say, lead by someone who LOVES his job, loves the people whom I work with and for, and LOVES our country.

Factory Five will win because I'm not trying to make money, I'm trying to build a great company and make our mark in automotive history. "A man's reach shoud exceed his grasp". Indeed it has with the 818, but in the process and along the way we realized as a team just how much further our grasp was able to be! Hold on everyone, the best is yet to come!

If there was an instrument that measures pride in a job well done and you attached it to me right now, it would explode immediately.

One gets to a point in ones life where you've seen it all, heard it all and there just isn't that much that impress's you anymore and then one sees what one small company with a group of dedicated people can do when not constrained by beancounter type management.
Hell, I don't even like Subaru's and I want to build this 818R for the street.:D

[Georgia Coupe]

I never really intended on building a third Factory Five car but I now find myself searching Craigslist ads for Impreza's. WOW!

GREAT JOB GUYS!

[skullandbones]

Well, that was a bit of a tease but understandable that Dave want to save the reveal for SEMA. I love the windshield fit on the car. I think some people are going to look at the street roadster (with it's finished interior and somewhat refined look) and underestimate what a terror it is under all those pretty lines. It's got a racer's heart under that pretty red dress! Looking forward to the real reveal. Thank you Dave, WEK.

[2KWIK4U]

Thanks Dave, I also will be waiting to see the unveil. I was very impressed by the quality of the people I talked too and the roadster kit I got from your company and I look forward to building another F5 product, the 818.

Danny

[ClemsonS197]

Looks really, really good.

Just to confirm, the 818S is painted, not gel-coat, right?

[ScottKoschwitz]

Ahhhhhhh, I was hoping to see the roof of the 818S! Notice how in all the.shots of the S, the roof is hidden or out of the shot. Waiting for.Tuesday now. . . .

[Evan78]

I wonder if the shift knob on the 818R interior shot has an accurate shift pattern on it. It appears to be normal 1-5, but with reverse to the right of 5.

[LS1RX7owen]

that is SUCH and AWESOME pic!
they look amazing out in the sunlight and holy hell they are nice and low!

[WonderDude]

One MAJOR ISSUE I have with the 818...

It wasn't apparent at first. But when I finally recognized that even though I'm not one of the lucky customers that's in the market for a new car, and yet I continued to lose countless hours of sleep plus have trouble concentrating on my job, it hit me! This car is WAY TOO COOL! In fact, I think this much coolness in one place might be illegal! :(

[PhyrraM]

I wonder if the shift knob on the 818R interior shot has an accurate shift pattern on it. It appears to be normal 1-5, but with reverse to the right of 5.

As a *guess* I would say it's a knob that matches the shifter unit FFR has chosen - possibly a Porsche unit.

Does a Boxster have that shift pattern?

[gwader]

Notice the reflection in the red gel coat! Yes!

[Duratec7]

Commence drooling!

:)

Please put this on the forum server! The IT Nazi's here don't lock me out of it (yet), but any of the photo servers are off limits!!

[gwader]

Ok thats it. I'll be back next Tuesday. This teasers stuff is killing me.:cool:

[wallace18]

Wow! Thank you all at FFR for your hard work. This is truly something special. I am ready to put money down ASAP. Hopefully that will be soon. I am interested in the gelcoat. That works great for me.

[longislandwrx]

Anyone else see what looks like hood hinges and a front emblem?

[David]

Outstanding work guys! Look forward to seeing you all at SEMA and viewing these HOF beasts in person. :D

Dave, the pride in your team is well deserved. As you and all great businessmen know, the employees are the #1 asset of any company.

[0100]

Simply amazing work FFR!!

[David Hodgkins]

Please put this on the forum server! The IT Nazi's here don't lock me out of it (yet), but any of the photo servers are off limits!!

I have my own domain that I post pics to so you should be ok...

:)

[FFR-ADV]

Dave, Jim and the entire Factory Five 818 Development Team

WELL DONE!

[Duratec7]

I have my own domain that I post pics to so you should be ok...

:)

Well I was asking because I can't see the pictures from work, but I'm going home now so I guess I'll see them from there.
The IT folks here block a bunch of stuff, and apparently, "you" are on their list!
I get posting the pics as a link so non-members can see them, it's unfortunately backwards for me :(

[NicksPapaw]

WOW......WOW....WOW....WOW I keep looking from the left side of my computer screen to see if I can see more of the car. :) Dave, I think you have just hit this one out of the park!

[timmy318]

Ugh..... I hate the suspense! Now I really wanna finally see this car! Wish I was going to SEMA! Killer car Dave S & all at FFR! I can tell this car is going to be a blast to drive and then a whole different type of blast to drive!

[shinn497]

Yay I have a new FB Backround!

[Mechie3]

I like the blue one better. Can't wait for the full reveal.

Taillights: the clear lense has an orange bulb in it, indicating it might be a turn signal. Where's the reverse?
Blue/White: The rendering had the white going down to the diffuser. I like it stopping at the hood better like the real thing.
Can't wait to see the limits of mix and match!

[flynntuna]

Looks I'll be ordering lots of options, lets see; powder coated frame, front splitter, kirkey seats, hard top.

[Duratec7]

They are sweet! I can't wait 'till Tuesday to see the full release!

Now I understand David H's confusion with my posts from work asking for the picture to be shown on the forum's server. I see when I get home that they even show in my quoted posts. It's just that at work I can't see any of that!

[mattster03]

Yay I have a new FB Backround!

I posted the picture on my Facebook and everyone says the same thing: 'Looks like an S2000'

[JRL]

Dave as I used to tell my flight crew - "Well done - Mission Accomplished"

[Niburu]

I posted the picture on my Facebook and everyone says the same thing: 'Looks like an S2000'

I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing, there was a time when you wouldn't confuse a kit car for a production car

[mattster03]

I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing, there was a time when you wouldn't confuse a kit car for a production car

yup, I'm definitely not saying it's a bad thing. Just relaying what the "general car guy" public sees at 1st glance.

[timmy318]

Yay I have a new FB Backround!

They're liking it up!!!!!

[dr_fatkins]

I posted the picture on my Facebook and everyone says the same thing: 'Looks like an S2000'

I agree, and I have received similar comments when I have shown this project to other people because I'm excited about it and have received, "eh, it's alright" type responses.

I love the concept of the car and I am strongly considering building one so I'm not trying to be negative.

That said, I think there are some reasons I am not in love with the looks. The hood/front end/side vents are very MR2 spyder-ish and the overall presentation/contours are very S2000ish. Those are nice cars but they are from the early 2000’s and today appear a bit dated in my opinion.

[Bobasaurus]

Awesome. I had no plans to build another car, but the 818 looks good and should be a little quiter and easier on gas than the roadster.


Bobby

[Zoolander428]

Sold!

My thoughts exactly!

[Wayne Presley]

Next Wednesday can't come fast enough to see it in person.

[flynntuna]

So close, yet so far. 4-6 hr drive depending on traffic and CHP. Can't get away :(

[timmy318]

So close, yet so far. 4-6 hr drive depending on traffic and CHP. Can't get away :(

I feel yea...... Sadly it is true for most of us :(

[NonProfit]

OK, I calculated wrong...

It seems like Factory Five is holding back a SEMA Easter Egg...there's something visually unique about the 818-S.

I figured it was either a coupe:


http://ffroadster.com/images/818/818R-and-S_web.jpg

Or a roll bar that took the form of dual hoops:


http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12513&d=1351039780

Today's shots prove I'm wrong on both counts.

So I give...what am I missing?

[fitn in]

Well done Factory Five, Dave and everyone else that put in their own blood sweat and tears for creating this amazing project! The fact that I could afford this, want to build it, and think about every day show that you have made the right decision to create this project! Affordable, buildable, light weight and amazing looks. I can't wait to attend my first SEMA show next week, even though I won't see anything else much at the show because I'll be glued to the 818S and Factory Five display!

[RM1SepEx]

Looks great, congrats to the entire team, can't wait to place my order... colors, gel coat vs plastic and top cost are my only questions. please add PC frame too...

[el_jefe]

Not feeling the street rear at all. Exhaust tips look comical. Of course, paint, like on the exige, and routing the exhaust through the mesh area will make it better, but this thing is begging for a rear diffuser.


I'm impressed that they made a way for the factory subaru muffler work on the car, should make registering it in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia easier.

[bbjones121]

Wow!! How in the world did my instant notifications get turned off. These cars look amazing. I can't wait to see what they would look like with projector headlights. Does anyone know if the Lexus headlights are the same as the Toyota units?

[bbjones121]

Wow. I know what I will be dreaming of very soon. Great job FFR!

[PhyrraM]

....... Does anyone know if the Lexus headlights are the same as the Toyota units?

I already did the math for that. Nope, not the same.

Afermarket units are all over eBay, hopefully some of them are actually worth buying.

[narkosys]

found these (http://www.spyderauto.com/product.php?id=PRO-YD-TCAM02-DRL-BK&t=Toyota-Camry-02-06-DRL-LED-Projector-Headlights-Black). i know it's not e-bay but I like them and they have the DRL which is required in my neck of the woods.

P

[JJ'snakepit]

I don't come over to this forum very much but a FF5 face book picture of the 818 got me looking ... Can't wait. I need to finish my Roadster before I look to closely but from all I see I really like it. AA ....Awesome and affordable Great Job Dave Smith and the team.. JJ

[Nobama]

Dave as I used to tell my flight crew - "Well done - Mission Accomplished"

I use to tell my battalion the same thing. Also the 4200 people that work for my company. So cool.

[Recitegod]

Unemployed by force, married, completely out of the dough (go figure), there must be a huge dysfunctional part in my brain (I am a born again atheist) to even read your words, and looking at your pictures mister Smith, well, you have done it again. I've just received your hand signed letter with the kind GTM poster... Killer marketing! I've changed my mind again. I will build both: I just want to drive this thing. No words can do it justice, I have to see this for myself at sema, but work. damn work.

The day will come when I will visit your plant with my humble camcorder... And kick some ***. Til this day will come, I can only tell you this, you are one of the rare true american companies that can still make me dream if I dare say this.

Like a little kid watching speed racer while tracing a homemade track out of cheerios.

Vroom, vroom.

[Silvertop]

OK, I calculated wrong...

It seems like Factory Five is holding back a SEMA Easter Egg...there's something visually unique about the 818-S.

I figured it was either a coupe:



Or a roll bar that took the form of dual hoops:



Today's shots prove I'm wrong on both counts.

So I give...what am I missing?

I expect the shadowy curves visible behind the 818S passenger seat to turn out to be the side of a Targa hoop, the base for a soft Targa Top. I'm probably completely wrong -- but we'll find out next week.

[skullandbones]

I expect the shadowy curves visible behind the 818S passenger seat to turn out to be the side of a Targa hoop, the base for a soft Targa Top. I'm probably completely wrong -- but we'll find out next week.

I wish you were right but I think it is an optical alusion (shadows and all). Darn. If that was a targa hoop my time schedule would be totally blown. I'm not ready, yet.

Thanks for trying though,


WEK.

[Samiam1017]

It's probably just the roll bar.

[skullandbones]

Does anyone know if that is a stock Subie seat on the passenger side. It looks sporty but doesn't look like a racing seat. What do you think?

Thanks,

WEK.

[Kalstar]

Does anyone know if that is a stock Subie seat on the passenger side. It looks sporty but doesn't look like a racing seat. What do you think?

Thanks,

WEK.

The 818s used the stock wrx seats. And they looked great.

[Silvertop]

I wish you were right but I think it is an optical alusion (shadows and all). Darn. If that was a targa hoop my time schedule would be totally blown. I'm not ready, yet.

Thanks for trying though,


WEK.

I don't think it's an optical illusion. I think the shadows are there because they have done something different with the coachwork behind the passenger compartment. The obstructed view of the roadster in one of the earlier pictures a few pages back (in the background of the 818R) seems to bear that out. Whether that means a Targa Hoop or something else remains to be seen -- but we won't have to wait long. Next Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest.

I'm hoping for the Targa -- though I'm a committed early buyer one way or another.

[skullandbones]

That will be cool if you are right! I was thinking the seat might have had something to do with the perception of the shot but a Targa hoop would be great. Still finishing roadster so that would not be good for me. I'd just have to install a drool cup on the front of the laptop!

See ya, WEK.

[timmy318]

I don't think it's an optical illusion. I think the shadows are there because they have done something different with the coachwork behind the passenger compartment. The obstructed view of the roadster in one of the earlier pictures a few pages back (in the background of the 818R) seems to bear that out. Whether that means a Targa Hoop or something else remains to be seen -- but we won't have to wait long. Next Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest.

I'm hoping for the Targa -- though I'm a committed early buyer one way or another.

Praying for something in that nature but we already got our donor too so we're way to committed to back down!

[Dave Smith]

The roadster on the 818S is the same core body shape/panels as the 818R. The plan was to launch a roadster with soft top 818S, then a race version 818R, followed by, if the platform is successful (or perhaps if it isnt!), a derivative Coupe or removeable hard top. Right now I am very pleased with the race version and street version (more with te race than street at this time). The soft top has not been designed, but we know Rod Tops will be the pick to design it for weather sealing and ease of use.

I started a long time ago asking you guys which car to launch. I am still in serious debate over this. The race version with a windshield is one avenue. More later as it's my daughter Nicole's 18th birthday and I am supposed to make a cake.

[NicksPapaw]

Happy Birthday Nicole! :)

[Movieman]

The roadster on the 818S is the same core body shape/panels as the 818R. The plan was to launch a roadster with soft top 818S, then a race version 818R, followed by, if the platform is successful (or perhaps if it isnt!), a derivative Coupe or removeable hard top. Right now I am very pleased with the race version and street version (more with te race than street at this time). The soft top has not been designed, but we know Rod Tops will be the pick to design it for weather sealing and ease of use.

I started a long time ago asking you guys which car to launch. I am still in serious debate over this. The race version with a windshield is one avenue. More later as it's my daughter Nicole's 18th birthday and I am supposed to make a cake.
You sure your up to this?
Remember, no connecting rods or pistons for ingredients!:D

[WIS89]

18 is a big deal!!! Happy Birthday Nicole! If your Dad makes cakes like he makes cars, you are safe. If he makes cakes like I do, I am very, very sorry! Happy Birthday from some dude you don't know!

Regards,

Steve

[GUNS]

Dave,

My input would be to launch the Street version, with the ability to add on Race version stuff. I personally want to build an S and add on the front/side splitters and rear wing. I would also be interested in R hardware as well. I think the street version will be appealing to a wider audience than the race version.

[Mechie3]

I want an 818RS, something between the R and the S. Depending on what can/can't be mixed and match and how nice the interior is I'll start with an S and add R bits, or start with an R and add S bits.

[timmy318]

Me personally, I also want an 818-RS. I want to have the front/rear splitter, maybe the wing(probably go aftermarket though), and just some of the other things from the 818-R. Hopefully FFR release the 818-S and then further develops the 818-R to be a purebred racer like Dave stated in an earlier post.

[David Hodgkins]

Come on. Full side view please.

Would a studio side shot of the 818R suffice?

;)

[NHRed65]

Count me in for the -RS.

[Mechie3]

Would a studio side shot of the 818R suffice?

;)

If it's a previously unseen picture it will (for me) :D

[David Hodgkins]

If it's a previously unseen picture it will (for me) :D

Your wish is my command:

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/818studiosideshot.jpg

:)

[Canadian818]

Very dissappointed that the top isn't finished. For many of us this is the deciding factor as to wiether or not we get a roadster or wait in hopes that you design a coupe. Great work, and while I have no interest in the R, props to you for squeezing it in. Fortunetly I have other builds to keep me busy until there's a top, soft or hard.

[wallace18]

Way Cool! This car has to be the most looked at car at SEMA. Just my 2 cents worth to Dave. The 818S is what I am waiting for.But I understand these are still prototypes and more work needs to be done. Don't release till you feel ready.

[Mechie3]

Very cool. The wing is too functional for me to put on a DD but overall its still just super cool.

[Samiam1017]

Whats the 818s windshield frame made of? And is the glass from a production car?

[Sultan]

Dave is old enough to have an 18 year old!

[Silvertop]

Very dissappointed that the top isn't finished. For many of us this is the deciding factor as to wiether or not we get a roadster or wait in hopes that you design a coupe. Great work, and while I have no interest in the R, props to you for squeezing it in. Fortunetly I have other builds to keep me busy until there's a top, soft or hard.

It probably won't take them very long to design the soft top. It will probably be available by the time the first cars are actually shipped. In fact, it seems to me that Dave Smith indicated a while back that the top would be available from the git-go. Hopefully, the top will be available at order point.........

[WonderDude]

Dave is old enough to have an 18 year old!
Yeah! He's in too good of shape to have built such an awesome company and fathered an 18 year old. He must be from another planet! ;)

BTW, since it is her 18th birthday, I imagine she'll be graduating from high school soon. So what sort of graduation present will she get? ...hmmm? 818S? :D

[skullandbones]

The roadster on the 818S is the same core body shape/panels as the 818R. The plan was to launch a roadster with soft top 818S, then a race version 818R, followed by, if the platform is successful (or perhaps if it isnt!), a derivative Coupe or removeable hard top. Right now I am very pleased with the race version and street version (more with te race than street at this time). The soft top has not been designed, but we know Rod Tops will be the pick to design it for weather sealing and ease of use.

I started a long time ago asking you guys which car to launch. I am still in serious debate over this. The race version with a windshield is one avenue. More later as it's my daughter Nicole's 18th birthday and I am supposed to make a cake.

Which ever version you launch first (I don't know if that means reveal or go into production), I think you hit a home run with the R version and the way you will launch it at SEMA. That thing is Ba*** to the wall outrageous with the wild interior and all. It is Factory Five Racing after all. I was not interested in the Spec Racer when I got my roadster and I think most of your "cobra" customers lean toward the street version of it (don't know why except maybe generational). But the 818 split could be closer to 50/50. So I'm saying the R version may pull the S version along with it at first. I believe more of these 818s will be on some type of race track including autox a lot more than any of the prior styles.

Thanks a lot, WEK.

[blueoval_bowtie_guy]

Personally, I'm waiting for the 'S' with roll-up windows. I'm going to build it to replace a very well prepared '02 Miata. It will have to have roll-up windows and A/C, so I know I won't be buying the kit for at least a year.

[HelluvaEngineer]

I will end up getting the Targa with roll up windows. It just rains to much in the North Carolina Mountains.

I will probably do 2. A subtle High Performance NA engine build for my better half and a second one that is a little more wild with about 300 - 320 WHP for me.

[WonderDude]

I'm actually waiting for the 'L' version with the power windows, power top, heated leather seats with memory, and headlight washers. These are all very important for me. ;)

[Oppenheimer]

Both. Reach exceed grasp.

Seriously, I think maybe the R first. This way, all the initial press is solely going to deal with the performance. Then they will all fawn over it, compare it to the Lotus 211. Say its just as fast at a fraction of the cost, etc. They aren't going to bother complaining if its noisy or the interior seems spartan. Then they will all say can't wait for their street version.

Imagine if instead you launch S first, then say, Car and Driver or someone does a piece on the S using one the early realease cars. Its bound to get props for performance, then panned for any little things that aren't up to OEM standards. They aren't going to care that its a kit, or an early model, or that those little things will all be improved in short order.

You want the first impression reviews to all be killer. Launch the R first, to much fanfare. Then even if they do evaluate one of the early S models, and its initially lacking compared to OEM, they will cut it some slack due to its performance. Its like reverse psychology. Once the R is seen as big performance/big fun for little $, it will be easy to use that mindset to evaluate the S, instead of using OEM fit/finish mindset.

[djtrav]

really dont like convertibles.... I prefer hard tops =[... anywho I am looking forward to Tuesday! You got me thinking maybe I should wait for the hardtop. To answer your question though, Race version + windshield sounds killer! Happy Bday to your daughter!

[mhoward1]

Oppenheimer, those were some very good points. I have to agree with you.

[Mechie3]

Can someone who is good at photoshop make the wings shorter and the wheels gold? Maybe remove the logos too. (yes, this is a self serving request). ;)

[GTLee77]

You want the first impression reviews to all be killer. Launch the R first, to much fanfare. Then even if they do evaluate one of the early S models, and its initially lacking compared to OEM, they will cut it some slack due to its performance. Its like reverse psychology. Once the R is seen as big performance/big fun for little $, it will be easy to use that mindset to evaluate the S, instead of using OEM fit/finish mindset.

+1

Release the beast first. I say follow the old school "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" mantra!

[bstuke]

I will end up getting the Targa with roll up windows. It just rains to much in the North Carolina Mountains.

I will probably do 2. A subtle High Performance NA engine build for my better half and a second one that is a little more wild with about 300 - 320 WHP for me.Do you need a son?

[JRach]

For many of us this is the deciding factor as to wiether or not we get a roadster or wait in hopes that you design a coupe. Great work, and while I have no interest in the R, props to you for squeezing it in. Fortunetly I have other builds to keep me busy until there's a top, soft or hard.

Agreed!

Living in Seattle I'd love to be able to daily drive the 818. Roll up windows and a leakproof top is the only thing that would stop me from pulling the trigger on this build.

Driving subarus my whole life and daily driving a motorcycle for the better part of 2 years means I don't mind wind noise :)

[NonProfit]

Hi Dave, First off, I'd like to reiterate some of the comments praising you and your company. I've always considered myself a car guy, but almost nothing new interests me. I've always liked the idea of kits and big ole V8's, but remember what 10mpg is like and currently want something a little less thirsty. The 818 sparked my interest in a way that nothing new or nothing reproduced ever has.


if the platform is successful (or perhaps if it isnt!)

This thread is currently at 87,356 views. Granted, about 25K of those are mine, but even so, there is a lot of interest in this.

I like how folks are considering how they will make them their own. Some will build a Ferrari-killer. Others want something more streetable. Me? I'll have the slowest 818 of them all...165hp...but it will still be the fastest car I've ever driven! I'm also likely be the only one with a real wood dash, home audio speakers and an umbrella stand.

Cheers also to taking the time to spend with your daughter on her birthday. So many business owners are so desperate for just one more sale, but it seems like you take the time to do things right and keep your priorities in focus. You already have my respect (and hopefully before too long, my money too!)

[Silvertop]

........Seriously, I think maybe the R first. This way, all the initial press is solely going to deal with the performance. Then they will all fawn over it, compare it to the Lotus 211. Say its just as fast at a fraction of the cost, etc. They aren't going to bother complaining if its noisy or the interior seems spartan. Then they will all say can't wait for their street version...........



For my own selfish reasons, I hope you launch the S version first. I want to be building my new toy by next Spring. Strategically, however, I can't fault Oppenheimer's logic. And a little extra time may allow for additional refinement details on the S. If the R IS offered for sale first, I will hope that the S isn't too far behind.

[G_Hodgkins]

Can someone who is good at photoshop make the wings shorter and the wheels gold? Maybe remove the logos too. (yes, this is a self serving request). ;)

Here ya GO bud!
12536

[Kwizatz-haderah]

I say two additional votes for the "s". I am planning on building one and my uncle just sold his 993 so he could build one.

[Zodiac]

818S is my vote for first release as well. I'm really looking to make this my new daily driver. And I also hope that when the hard top and roll up windows are provided in the future that it can be attached to the cars that were bought before they came out. I would hate to get the 818S in the beginning only to be left out of stuff I want to add onto it later. But like many have said already release the S once you know you are happy with what you are selling. We know you'll make the right decision.

[timmy318]

+5000 on that idea. IMHO release the 818-S first(selfishness :p) & then later on release the 818-R. Hopefully like Zodiac said, those who choose to buy the 818 now can add options(windows, targa top???) onto the 818 when they get released from FFR without having to make some major changes! But, just make sure to release this beast when you're ready though!

[Mechie3]

I'd say do the 818R first. It seems to be more complete to FFR's standards according to what Dave Smith said. That starts the cashflow coming in to help pay for the R&D already done. It also gives them more time to refine the 818S.

[Etos]

I'd vote the 818R for refinement purposes. You can better tweak the 818R from feedback while taking your time to further refine the 818S to be a better street car. Also in agreement with oppenhimer essentially is my point.

I'd bet pretty much all the 818S votes come from people who just want it here and now and can live with any fault it comes with. Problem is there are people who can't live with certain faults and it's important to get them stamped out from testing.

It honestly has no effect on me. By the time a coupe version comes out, most of the refinement will be complete no matter which they choose to release first. So no bias from my vote and just my objective view.

[RM1SepEx]

Do the 818S first, it will have more volume (read $$$) I'm ready to build my 818S. Donor parts are 99% complete and ready to bolt in... I need to blast and paint my rear suspension knuckles. My rack is apart and like Meche3 just posted I'm removing the seals for PS in my rack. Other than what Factory 5 provides, that is EVERYTHING, reconditioned, replaced, rebuilt, done. It sounds like I have plenty of time get my LSD installed as that is the only thing left to prep.

[Gus]

I'd say do the 818R first. It seems to be more complete to FFR's standards according to what Dave Smith said. That starts the cashflow coming in to help pay for the R&D already done. It also gives them more time to refine the 818S.

+1

race cred. first...

[VTX]

Personally, I'm waiting for a coupe. But between a 818R and 818S I'd take an S.

I'd like to see someone photoshop the side profile of the R into a coupe!

[Gary in NJ]

For selfish reasons I say produce the R version first. Not that I have any intentions of racing or building an R version, but it is well known that racing improves the breed. Work out the details on the R version before I order a street version. And since the topic has been raised, while a soft top would be useful, it isn't necessary for my needs (weekend/sunny day car). As long as I can make the necessary changes down the road (so to speak) to fit a soft top, I'll be happy.

Dave, the car really does look great. I'm excited to see it in person in the near future.

[rjh2pd]

I plan on building the 818s but i think you should release the 818r first so you can work out any kinks and be able to release r options to the s. but then again i wont be buying one till im out of college in the spring of 2014 so hopefully all of versions are out by then.

[THE ITALIAN]

The race version with a windshield is one avenue.
that's my avenue !!!!! and a top

[flynntuna]

Dave and FFR are the leaders in the kit car world, they got there with firm goals and being able to adapt to reach their goals. Like they say, put your goals in concrete and your plans in sand,that said IMHO I think Dave will chose to move foward with the car that with the results that they have gotten so far will move them closer to their goal. Its already been said they would like a swatch watch approach to this car, so more than one version will come out (I hope a targa). Dave is a car guy that has our needs in mind.

[Turboguy]

I started a long time ago asking you guys which car to launch. I am still in serious debate over this. The race version with a windshield is one avenue. More later as it's my daughter Nicole's 18th birthday and I am supposed to make a cake.


Personally, I'm hoping the "R" gets launched first as that is what I will be building. I had been thinking of building an FFR challenge car, but I already have a MK3 in the garage so this will be a nice departure. Wonder if I'll be the first Canadian to have built 2 FFRs?

At this point, I plan on licensing it for the street so I can drive it to track days.

[Turboguy]

Can someone who is good at photoshop make the wings shorter and the wheels gold? Maybe remove the logos too. (yes, this is a self serving request). ;)

Here ya GO bud!
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Personally, I'm wondering what it looks like without the rear wing but with a nice big diffuser instead! (hint, hint)

[jkrueger]

My thoughts on which to release first.....

If FFR is going to start a spec racing series like it has with the roadster, start with the 818R first.

If not, look to where you'll get the most sales. FFR has sold thousands of roadsters. How many spec spec racers? How many of the roadsters are dedicated track cars? Some, but most are street cars. It sounds like most people on this thread are going to build a street car or a streetable 818R.

Personally, I need a hard top roof to buy this kit. I'm on my second kit with FFR and am sold on them as company. I want to build the 818 as a street daily driver that will be fun to drive. I too am bored with what the big car companies are producing. I think the 818 is a hot car and want to build one, but I need a top, ac (I'm in TX), wipers, etc....

JC

[Scruff McGruff]

Personally, I would rather see the R come out first. I would as a daily driver more than a race car, but would like to be able to race it. I LOVE the frame on the R. So much protection! I wouldn't feel very safe getting T-boned in the S. I would sacrafice openable doors for added protection. I think it would be better to modify the R frame withon street options. I would like the option to get the cage not welded and engineer a removable cage. My ideal would be the. R with roll up windows (if possible), full windshield, front/rear splitters. Removeable hard top, no passenger cross-brace, street interior w/ racing options. And it looks like The S has the rear humps going longer back than the R. (I'm assuming to make room for wing) But i would want the extended one.

[ursa5000]

Hey Dave, I'm ready for the 818R - GT. Simply, a R with a passenger seat, plus an intergral FFR designed race cage.This would include large and small interchangable windscreens, and a FFR designed GT ragtop that utilizes the race cage for some overhead shade protection and some basic rain protection. Let the builder add as much interior comfort as desired, as the GT would have the basic R interior.

Da Bear

[shim2]

I'd like to see the R first, maybe the Street can be developed a bit more and be released with glass power windows as an option or even standard.

[HelluvaEngineer]

Do you need a son?

Do you like pedal cars? :)

[longislandwrx]

I'm in love with everything about this car. My only fear now is the time it's going to take between ordering and the kit being in my garage.

[LS1RX7owen]

the side profile looks beautiful, FFR definitely caught some good style lines when working on this design

I would love to drive one that is at STi power levels and one thats a fuel miser nonturbo low hp to see how much fun this can be with a super low budget build

[pinebox]

:cool: VERY COOL.
I've been quietly following this project from the beginning. I'm sooooo excited to see the finished 818S. The blue 818R looks absolutely stunning.


I've been dreaming/wanting to build a roadster...but this...this just might have me changing those plans and build an 818S.

[David Hodgkins]

Great feedback so far guys! I'm sure Dave is taking note of your preferences on which model to launch first. My own feeling of the subject is, why can't they both be launched at the same time? :D I'll have to ask that of Dave next week. BTW, I'm packing a nice DSLR for SEMA next week and I'll make sure to take a ton of pics of ALL the FFR's on display.

:)

[Vman7]

I am about 8 pages behind here, reading wise that is......lol

[WonderDude]

Does anybody know if they're gonna make a stretched limo version of the 'R'?

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[Mechie3]

Is that for people with realllly long arms?

[WonderDude]

Is that for people with realllly long arms?

And legs! ;)

[Canadian818]

Anyone else noticing how many first time posters are in this thread? Imagine how many others are lurking, waiting for this thing to be released.

[Mechie3]

Anyone else noticing how many first time posters are in this thread? Imagine how many others are lurking, waiting for this thing to be released.

Yes....they should all go away until I have my kit safely at home so I don't need to go on some lame waiting list waiting for kits to be manufactured.

;)

[DrieStone]

Anyone else noticing how many first time posters are in this thread? Imagine how many others are lurking, waiting for this thing to be released.

Plenty of "older" posters waiting to see if the S car gets us excited about 818 again.

[Mechie3]

^^ Haven't seen that avatar in a while. I did see a newer lotus Espirit in person observing at an autocross though.

[djtrav]

why does everyone want a targa top? I hate the idea. Arent they heavier than a removable hard top? I thought the idea of the 818 was to be 818kg. Plus its uglier imo.

Am I wrong with my thinking? Edumacate me.

[rjh2pd]

The tags you might be able to store in the car unlike a full removable hard top. Also I don't see why it would be noticeably heavier than a full hard top.

[djtrav]

The tags you might be able to store in the car unlike a full removable hard top. Also I don't see why it would be noticeably heavier than a full hard top.

its very misleading cause you might think that a targa would be lighter... but it isnt. My experience with them, they are always heavier than a hardtop. Think about the collapsible structure, it has to be sturdy against wind... its heavy.

[Matty_STi]

I've been following the 818 project for a very long time now, I can't wait to get my hands on an S and an R. Though I hope the S comes first. And once I get an 818 or two finished I am going to move on to the big daddy gtm!! (btw I am one of the guys that has been lurking and following this from afar and just watching the project evolve).

Dave and crew this is a beautiful project LOVE IT!! Plus as a subie guy I am super super pumped to get to use my subie knowledge in a different capacity!

MEGA PROPS!

Matt

[Jeff F]

I have been lurking for over 5 years on the FFR site. They finally have my $ with this one. Thank you to everyone for all of your input since the creation of this forum. My EVO X is up for sale and covers the kit and then some. Not to make all of you jealous but my SEMA ticket is in hand! See you Tuesday Dave.

[David]

S or R first? My vote is for street. Dave just needs to look at the roadster and spec racer sales numbers to answer that question. ;) :D Id love to see a street version with a paint job similair to the R, minus the decals. I think that would look really nice. Maybe the colors of Chenney's orange and black GTM. Thats half the fun, seeing what people will come up with for colors etc.

Regardless, both cars look killer in pics, cant wait to see them in person. Im betting they will look even better.

David

[BrandonDrums]

Perhaps someone already brought this up but the chassis being loaded in this pic appears to be a twin turbo...the IC doesn't have the y-pipe on it but one could easily drop a hose from each nozzle on the IC pictured and there appears to be 2 small turbos hooked up to those pipes. If ffr provides a modified header/up pipe combo for TT as an option or at least plans for one, just glancing at this shot makes me think going twin turbo on a USDM EJ207 or EJ257 would be quite easy, I know for a fact that you can easily use manual boost controllers and modify the OEM ecu to handle such a setup quite easily.

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af89/BrandondrumsWRX/818_twin_turbo.png

[mhoward1]

S or R first? My vote is for street. Dave just needs to look at the roadster and spec racer sales numbers to answer that question. ;) :D Id love to see a street version with a paint job similair to the R, minus the decals. I think that would look really nice. Maybe the colors of Chenney's orange and black GTM. Thats half the fun, seeing what people will come up with for colors etc.

Regardless, both cars look killer in pics, cant wait to see them in person. Im betting they will look even better.

David

While sales of the Roaster greatly outweighs the Spec Racers, the amount of press the spec racer has received has been impressive. It is still getting press including 3 articles in GRM this year alone.

[Zodiac]

Perhaps someone already brought this up but the chassis being loaded in this pic appears to be a twin turbo...the IC doesn't have the y-pipe on it but one could easily drop a hose from each nozzle on the IC pictured and there appears to be 2 small turbos hooked up to those pipes. If ffr provides a modified header/up pipe combo for TT as an option or at least plans for one, just glancing at this shot makes me think going twin turbo on a USDM EJ207 or EJ257 would be quite easy, I know for a fact that you can easily use manual boost controllers and modify the OEM ecu to handle such a setup quite easily.

http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af89/BrandondrumsWRX/818_twin_turbo.png

yea i noticed the same thing. I believe someone mentioned that's the H6 legacy twin turbo setup. I guess to show that it can be done. looks pretty nice to me

[Mechie3]

yea i noticed the same thing. I believe someone mentioned that's the H6 legacy twin turbo setup. I guess to show that it can be done. looks pretty nice to me

Not an H6. It is a 2.0L H4 with factory sequential twin turbos (ie, one smaller, one larger). Notice that a lot of it is not plumbed up or wired up. It likely will be in the future, but for now it's a show piece only.

[Turboguy]

S or R first? My vote is for street. Dave just needs to look at the roadster and spec racer sales numbers to answer that question.


To play devil's advocate, though, launching the "R" first would allow them more time to polish the "S" before it hits the market, and give them a head start on the production learning curve.

My thinking is that a typical 818R customer will be less critical of fit & finish issues that may arise at first, but I could be wrong.

[emironov]

Not an H6. It is a 2.0L H4 with factory sequential twin turbos (ie, one smaller, one larger). Notice that a lot of it is not plumbed up or wired up. It likely will be in the future, but for now it's a show piece only.


I don't remember Subaru ever having a sequential twin turbo setup as oem. I do believe there was an factory twin turbo H6 a long time ago. What model and year is your information based off of?

In the given image, one turbo hot side does appear larger than the other supporting a sequential turbo argument.

Evan



P.S. Need more pictures of EVERYTHING~ :-D

[Mechie3]

It was jdm legacy only. They never made any turbo H6.

[BipDBo]

I don't remember Subaru ever having a sequential twin turbo setup as oem. I do believe there was an factory twin turbo H6 a long time ago. What model and year is your information based off of?

In the given image, one turbo hot side does appear larger than the other supporting a sequential turbo argument.

Evan



P.S. Need more pictures of EVERYTHING~ :-D

EJ20TT. It was in Japan spec Legacy GTs. Never made it to the US. It produced 276 bhp, which is a pretty impressive stock number for 2.0 liters, especially in 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_EJ_engine#EJ20T

[shim2]

Subi never turbo'd any H6 as far as I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Subaru_engines#Six_Cylinder


I became aware of some inside info today and I'm still recovering from it! I am VERY excited to see this thing in real life!

Here is some of the additional inside info, leaked to me today. I, as ever, remain committed to FACTUAL info and got verification from my inside source before posting this.

Ready?


FFR will indeed have three 818's at SEMA; A street car (likely painted red metallic), the 818R (which will debut in KONI shocks display in same graphics as rendering) and a rolling chassis (with the twin-turbo legacy engine) in the FFR display.
FFR will launch the car as a roadster and will hit the $9900 price point target. A soft top is planned to be offered concurrently with launch made by rod tops (same as high-line cobra and 33 HR).
Body panels on the first 3-5 cars will be red gel-coated hand-laid fiberglass and the plan is to quickly transition to resin-infused or thermo-formed plastic (no paint) panels that are in-process currently.
The subject of DEPOSITS was discussed and the current info is that FFR MIGHT take deposits at, or just after SEMA!


There is more MAJOR news, that I may release soon. This will be an EXCLUSIVE to TheFactoryFiveForum.com! Stay tuned!

:)

From a previous post in this thread. The only Legacy that is twin turbo was for the Japanese Market only and it's a sequential turbo setup.


Despite being called twins, the B4's turbochargers are not identical. The primary turbocharger is an IHI VF33 unit, which uses a 46.5/35.4mm 9-blade turbine wheel and a 47.0mm/35.4mm 6 + 6 blade compressor. At idle, the turbo spins at around 20,000 rpm and it can go on to a maximum speed of 190,000 rpm. It has a 17mm diameter wastegate opening to bypass excess exhaust gas. The secondary turbocharger is an IHI VF32. On the exhaust side it uses a 46.5/35.4mm 9-blade turbine wheel, teamed with a 52.5/36.6mm 10-blade compressor wheel. It's rated at 180,000 rpm. Both the primary and secondary turbochargers use a floating metal centre bearing - not ball bearings.

That's why they look the same, the exhaust side is the same.

[Mechie3]

Perrjn performance did a one off turbo h6 in an 06 still a while back. It was not OEM and was a Tribeca motor iirc.

[Highway Star]

Yes. A lot of us are lurking here. I've been looking for a fun mid-life crisis car and stumbled across this. I've never been interested in the traditional kits like offered by FFR and others but this one is just what I was looking for. As much as I like the R version, I will be getting the S.

What I would like to see offered is a tonneau cover for the car. Something with a zipper split so I could open half to drive it and then close it up an protect the interior with the top down (or sans top).

Oh. And a radar detector mount in the passenger head rest.

[el_jefe]

why does everyone want a targa top? I hate the idea. Arent they heavier than a removable hard top? I thought the idea of the 818 was to be 818kg. Plus its uglier imo.

Am I wrong with my thinking? Edumacate me.


As mentioned, you can stow a targa top in the car, unlike a full hard top. Which is nice when you have rapidly changing weather. You can pull of a targa top by yourself, not so much with a full hard top. I have never seen a targa top that is heavier that a full hard top, and I'm not sure how that's possible. More secure than a soft top, quieter than a soft top, more insulated than a soft top. Targa's tend to have better wind protection as well. Plus they just look better.

[BS Mods]

Just looking for the "Buy It Now" button .......

[Racebrewer]

"I am still in serious debate over this. The race version with a windshield is one avenue."

WOW, shortest debate in history.......

One, in red, please.

John

[David Hodgkins]

Just looking for the "Buy It Now" button .......

Here ya go!
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/818studiosideshot.jpg
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/BuyItNow.PNG


;)

[Gus]

yea i noticed the same thing. I believe someone mentioned that's the H6 legacy twin turbo setup. I guess to show that it can be done. looks pretty nice to me

This engine (see link (http://www.jdmracingmotors.com/engine_details/894/1996-1998_Subaru_JDM_SUBARU_EJ20_BOXER_Stage_2_Twin_Tur bo_Subaru_Legacy_B4,_Legacy_GT_Twin_Turbo_Engine_E J208_TY754VB)) was bought on 9 Sept by Jim from JDM racing in Montreal, I know, I saw the receipt.:rolleyes:

[Sultan]

here ya go!
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/818studiosideshot.jpg
http://ffroadster.com/images/818/buyitnow.png


;)that is awesome!!!!!!!

[Vman7]

I have to chime in sometime here on all that's happened since around page 20......lol

So far from the pics I have seen, all I can say is WOW!!!! :)

I'll have to really read all the posts that Dave Smith wrote.

Getting excited about all the pictures after SEMA and starting to work with some mod.s again, mostly working with a hardtop/targa design, since we will have a solid base to work with.

David

[BS Mods]

Here ya go!

http://ffroadster.com/images/818/BuyItNow.PNG


;)

You BIG tease....

[0100]

I just bought one with the buy it now. Can't wait to pick it up!!! I tried buying another one, but for some reason the button is inactive now. I must have got the last one. Sorry guys.

[NonProfit]

Does anybody know if they're gonna make a stretched limo version of the 'R'?

12549
WonderDude, You've just been tasked with building the first 818 Aerobus!

12557

[WonderDude]

WonderDude, You've just been tasked with building the first 818 Aerobus!

12557
It could happen!! :)

[emironov]

EJ20TT. It was in Japan spec Legacy GTs. Never made it to the US. It produced 276 bhp, which is a pretty impressive stock number for 2.0 liters, especially in 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_EJ_engine#EJ20T



I stand corrected, thanks for the info.

Evan

[military818]

Just saw the photos of the 818S on FactoryFive.com. WOW. Waiting to write the check, swipe my card or go on leave and pay in cash. I want it now.

[Kalstar]

On the Factory Five Website.....

[Kwizatz-haderah]

Love it

[timmy318]

Also found this!:
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[David Hodgkins]

Additional good news! The 818R GALLERY will soon be up - TODAY - on FactoryFive.com!

:)

[timmy318]

Here's a larger view of the image that Kalstar posted above:

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[timmy318]

Additional good news! The 818R GALLERY will soon be up - TODAY - on FactoryFive.com!

:)

I thought that was already up?

[David Hodgkins]

Correction! They are posted!

http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/

Click on Galleries...

:D

EDIT: I guess I'm late to the party... :)

[cyderus]

ive heard some talk about the forester being a possible donor. does anyone know if there gonna update the site with this info or is it just speculation. obviosly i dont have my donor yet and im not sure i want a wrx that has been ridin hard and put away wet lol.

[timmy318]

Correction! They are posted!

http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/

Click on Galleries...

:D

EDIT: I guess I'm late to the party... :)

lol :p

[shinn497]

Yeah I was going to say that the 818S is in the 818 development galleries

[Cyphers]

Sex on wheels http://i46.tinypic.com/2ujowtv.png

[rjh2pd]

ive heard some talk about the forester being a possible donor. does anyone know if there gonna update the site with this info or is it just speculation. obviosly i dont have my donor yet and im not sure i want a wrx that has been ridin hard and put away wet lol.

My guess would be that the suspension parts might need to be changed... Iirc the forester is based off of the Impress chassis.

[Mechie3]

Doh, looks like they used the mirrors. I sold mine. Ah well, I had painted mirrors and can probably buy non painted ones cheaper.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

12577 Can somebody explain the gap on the front edge of the door. I thought the 818R wasn't going to have doors.

[NonProfit]

12577 Can somebody explain the gap on the front edge of the door. I thought the 818R wasn't going to have doors.
The 818R will have doors but the frame will surround the driver. Here's another angle of the front edge of the door. It looks good!
12578

[mhoward1]

The 818R will have doors but the frame will surround the driver. Here's another angle of the front edge of the door. It looks good!
12578

If its like the spec. The car will used the door skins only.

[metalmaker12]

WOW they better let us buy this thing soon or I will steal one, anyone else want to help

[wallace18]

After reading what Mad Dog said and reading into what Dave Smith said earlier, I think these cars are not near ready for sale or production yet. It is understandable that they rushed for SEMA. I believe there is much more work to do on both yet. I like what I see so far but I am willing to wait for a good product.

[RM1SepEx]

WOW they better let us buy this thing soon or I will steal one, anyone else want to help

we can sneak in from north and south! waiting is going to be toughwith a 100% ready donor sitting in pieces!

[VD2021]

After reading what Mad Dog said and reading into what Dave Smith said earlier, I think these cars are not near ready for sale or production yet. It is understandable that they rushed for SEMA. I believe there is much more work to do on both yet. I like what I see so far but I am willing to wait for a good product.

Agreed.

More time on their end equates to less time and headaches on our end.

Plus......it gives me time to finish my current build and talk the better half into this as the next project.....818S

[Dave Smith]

Long day at work. SEMA show is all set. Karen's Coupe is in a great spot on the showfloor and Honey Badger is there with the FFR rig now. We'll get the FFR booth set up on Monday. I am completely exhausted! I doubt the crew are any less tired than I am! I know there are still a ton of questions, but IF you guys can see the quality of the design and work and IF you guys can understand the amount of work and thought and care and professionalism in this project, THEN I'm sure you'll trust us that the car won't ship til its ready. We've all witnessed companies that threw stuff out the door before the product was tested or even finished being invented... That seems to be the norm in the kit car world, but not with us and not with this important design.

Jim and Jesper have done an excellent job with a resource plan and pre-production schedule. I am leaning towards launching the R version first, at least building several to establish the performance image of the car, while working feverishly to make sure that the S model is done right. I am actually not completely happy with the S model. Make no mistake, I love it, but I don't know what is is and I'll use the SEMA show and feedback and a week of staring at it to figure it out. Maybe a remeovable hardtop. Maybe a really nice soft top (I've asked Dave Hodgkins if he can have Grant and Vman do some renderings). We WILL launch the car with a soft top or at least have one well developed before launch on the S. I still want to make some changes to the S model but there comes a point when the car is ready and looks good and performs well and you have to let it go. When I look at it I have to remind myself that it's a $10K kit! Looks better than any porsche boxer, BMW Z4, or car at 3x the price.

What I am MOST proud of is that the guys have really stuck to the design goals of the car. What design maturity the company has. I feel like, with our partner companies, we can do just about anything. Sheesh, I'm rambling. The car will not launch unless it is right. It will launch in 2013 no matter waht (that's obvious). The real question is will we be ready to launch in March, in June, in August, or, Gd forbid, next year at this time!

I gotta go grab some dinner and play with the kids. Thanks so much for all the constructive comments. YOU GUYS HAVE ENERGIZED THE TEAM AT FACTORY FIVE! We are so inspired to show off the car, and then come home and re-double our efforts again to prove to the entire world that small, innovative American companies can do anything!

[Flamshackle]

Great info thanks for the update Dave Smith.

for those of us off shore all the best for SEMA and enjoying the amazing feedback of an amazing car.

Many would love a good removable hard top option. Soft top if it looks the business could work.

[Xusia]

I am - as I suspect everyone is - moved by your words. The integrity is inspiring (although I was really hoping to have my 818 BUILT by June! LOL). Makes me wish I was a part of the effort. Sounds like pretty much the best job in the world (after fatherhood, that is)...

[NonProfit]

THEN I'm sure you'll trust us that the car won't ship til its ready.

In two years it won't matter if the first cars shipped in November or January or March. But it will matter if these cars leave the factory not quite right. Take your time and we'll all appreciate it down the road.

[AZPete]

Thanks, Dave, for the update and the other stuff (honesty, professionalism, creativity, technical expertise, hard work, etc., etc.). As a previous customer (Mk3) I'm anxious to start building an 818 but I know you will not ship until it's right . . . which is right. Again, thanks to you and the FFR team. Have a great show!
Pete

[Mechie3]

I did notice a welder in the background of the 818S photos, so it did look like they needed to modify a few things. It's nice though that they're willing to hold shipment until those things are correct.

Dave,
Can the 818S accomodate harnesses? I'd likely put in the stock seatbelts to pass inspection, then put in some 5 pointers for autocross/track.