Metalmaker's build thread begins

[nkw8181]

Maybe I missed it but what rims are those? I'm debating selling my enkie rpf01's since they are 5x114.3 with spacer adapters.

[metalmaker12]

Bremmer craft BR 10, gram lite knock off's, but enki and a few others have rims that look damn close with similar offsets. Look around

[tmoretta]

Did you fashion your own bezels for the outside of the double openings, or are you doing without?

[metalmaker12]

I just placed mesh behind the double cutouts. No bezel or landings

[metalmaker12]

Bodies all bolted on,
Punch list: aero, vinyl graphics, dyno,

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[Tamra]

Nice!

[Samiam1017]

sharp very sharp

[flynntuna]

Ditto very nice, I'm anxious to see your ideas on the aero.

[AZPete]

Very nice work, Chris. It's beautiful and we've all learned a lot following your build. Thanks.

[Kurk818]

Puuuurty :)

[Frank818]

Looks more than awesome, will kill almost anything you encounter on the road! Except deer.


Chris, on your fuel cap, does it slightly leak fuel vapors? Mine does.

[metalmaker12]

Looks more than awesome, will kill almost anything you encounter on the road! Except deer.


Chris, on your fuel cap, does it slightly leak fuel vapors? Mine does.


Maybe, I never noticed it did. I have the new one piece cap now

[Ellimist]

Sweet, just in time for the new year!

[Frank818]

Maybe, I never noticed it did. I have the new one piece cap now

Can you take a sniff around the cap and feel it? lolll :) But you don't need to, you'd have noticed it if it were leaking like mine. That answers my question.

1 piece cap? Well there's the small center cap that needs to be removed to put the gun in, so technically it's a 2-piece, no? Mine has 2 pieces, the small middle cap and the rest of it.

[Erik W. Treves]

sweet!

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Bodies all bolted on,
Punch list: aero, vinyl graphics, dyno,

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Looks great Chris,
Happy New Year to all
Bob

[metalmaker12]

I finally got a new macbook that supports my gopro. Here's an old video from last year prior to blowing up the engine, it was running nice. I Great exhaust audio
http://youtu.be/aJhazON5PsE

[metros]

Liked the video. That kind of drive is exactly what I'm looking forward to most. Back roads that are relaxing to drive on and just enjoy.

[Pearldrummer7]

Wow! That's a NICE pull at 5:35. Sounds incredible, too. Makes me yearn for summer and the car to be complete!

[metalmaker12]

I want spring!!, it's finally getting colder here. Down in the teens for lows and barely above freezing for highs. I will drive it in the 40's though.

[Hindsight]

That vid is really making me want to drive!!

[metalmaker12]

Yea, building is one thing, but driving it is just so
much better

[tmoretta]

How punishing is the ride?

[metalmaker12]

How punishing is the ride?

It's very smooth!!, as good as my honda.

[RM1SepEx]

Chris, did you have to relieve the area of the engine cover where it meets the roll bar as shown here? I'm thinking the engine cover would sit better if I cut it back, it is as if they made the roll bar too wide for the fiberglass...

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It's hard to tell in your photos :( It looks better if you can avoid cutting it I think.

[Jaime]

I cut this much and I still would like to push the cover further forward:

http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab273/jaime398/818%20Build/20141024_214213_zpswuask7z0.jpg

[metalmaker12]

I did not cut it more than the way it came except to trim for firewall edge and sand it even and smooth. I put foam padding on the roll bar in case it shifts under hard cornering and hits roll bar, but I feel if the bodies placed were it should and lined up correctly you should not have to trim it more than I have. My panel is not hitting the bar even with 1/8 foam attached.37129

[metalmaker12]

I cut this much and I still would like to push the cover further forward:

http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab273/jaime398/818%20Build/20141024_214213_zpswuask7z0.jpg

Send me pics of all your lines on the large bonnet cover. I think yours can come out slightly more to get away from bar. The pins or latches you come up with will draw the panel were you want and get your lines pretty good.

[RM1SepEx]

Chris, if you hold the fender tight to the body and hold approx 1/8 gaps the engine cover is damn tight to the bar... I don't see how you get enough space w/o moving the entire fender out and if you do that the gaps get wider, don't they? you can't get wider in the rear, the rear clip forces the distance to get the body lines to line up.

Pete (AZpete) indicated that his engine cover sagged so he glassed in a piece of angle across the rear, mine is actually bowed up about 1/2 inch in the middle

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I'm working on hinges for the engine cover and will use Craig's aluminum hinges for the trunk

[metalmaker12]

When you trim the covers edges so they are flush with the top of the quarters and you have an 1/8 gap with hood pins holding it all flush it should pull away from bar. I also have turn clips under the small top side vents that pull down the middle of the panel more flat to help with this. Prior to pining and turn clipping my panel down the section in question rest on the bar, once pressure is applied it pulls away. All my gaps are pretty much 1/8 and slightly less towards the rear door section edges.

[Mechie3]

Mine rubs. It rubbed off the powdercoat in transit and rubbed off more during fitting. I filed it away a little for more clearance.

[metalmaker12]

Mine rubs. It rubbed off the powdercoat in transit and rubbed off more during fitting. I filed it away a little for more clearance.

Mine also, during shipping it just placed there, it's not trimmed or anything.

[longislandwrx]

Thanks for the video. motivating to say the least.

[metalmaker12]

Yeah I was taking it easy but hit like (fast) at one point. It's a 45 so I had to keep it safe.

[Tamra]

Your car looks like so much fun!

[RM1SepEx]

Chris, Tamra, Andrew, BNAS mid Summer/early Fall, do a cruise ... and an autocross

[metalmaker12]

I will cruise, auto maybe. Let's see how our life's plans work out, but sounds good.

You guys have the same car, were all going to be having fun, that's the real point to this madness. But yea it's really too much fun to just tool around in.

[Harley818]

Hey Chris, Looking for some advice.
I'm planning on adding Lucas Engine Break-in oil on the advice from a local shop because of the zinc content.
Bottle says.....Racing ZDDP, TB Zinc-plus.
Or should I be using something else....... before I pour it in.
Thanks

[metalmaker12]

That's just an additive ??

If your using Lucas, use there Break-In Oil (SAE30 5 Quart container)37893

Or any 30wt break in specific oil. Nooo synthetics or semi's. Just straight cut oil

[Harley818]

yes its an additive.
So you are saying no additives...... just the straight break-in oil is better.

[metalmaker12]

Yeap, that's what I would do and have done for dozens of builds

[DMC7492]

Hey Chris, looks like your in the high 50's out there! Any runs on the new engine and Intercooler? Inquiring minds want to know!! Thanks Don

[metalmaker12]

I am driving here and there, tons of salt and sand on the roads. Going to road tune with my friend on the 18 to dial it in, than final dyno it a couple weeks to follow. Awic Intercooler set up seems pretty good and staying 10-15 degrees above ambient under boost. I want to run it more to see how well it works under load. I suspect 10-20 degrees above ambient will be where it should be. Over that I consider not acceptable an or effective.

[metalmaker12]

BEEN DRIVING THE BEAST< AWIC IS WORKING WELL.
I have both radiator fans on constant @88degrees the Awic was 101-106 in constant boost 12-17 psi, 95-97 out of boost. So for the street it is working well.

FYI The aero 340 pump and similar pumps may over load the stock FPR because the pump is so close to rails. don't ask me how I know... I recommend an adjustable FPR at the least and or rails and larger dia lines. I change everything out and my fuel trims are right were they need to be.

Who's going to open house????

[Wayne Presley]

Congrats Chris!

[metalmaker12]

Congrats Chris!

my MAF was not well either

[Mechie3]

Who is this guy!?!?!?

Congrats on getting it running (again). :)

[Hindsight]

I recommend an adjustable FPR at the least and or rails and larger dia lines.

Well that makes me feel much better about all the time and money I've put into my fuel system. Based on your comments, I'll now be able to tell myself it was "required" ;)

Congrats on getting it dialed in! Wish I could come to the open house but I have gusts in from out of town next weekend. Post some pics!

[metalmaker12]

Who is this guy!?!?!?

Congrats on getting it running (again). :)


lol, yeah been so busy at home..son is now 13 months/daughters 4 1/2 and at work..got promoted...aka more stuff to do lol...somehow got car running right.

[metalmaker12]

Well that makes me feel much better about all the time and money I've put into my fuel system. Based on your comments, I'll now be able to tell myself it was "required" ;)

Congrats on getting it dialed in! Wish I could come to the open house but I have gusts in from out of town next weekend. Post some pics!

yeah your hard earn money is not going to waste bro

[JAubin]

Congrats on getting your car back on the road! I'll be heading to the Open House, looking forward to checking out your handiwork.

[Wayne Presley]

my MAF was not well either

HHHMMMM, I wish I would have suggested that :confused: Oh wait I did:cool:

[shinn497]

I want to see a dyno of this SOOOOOOO bad.

[metalmaker12]

You will, just got a busy schedule, I will vid it.

[Frank818]

Metal, will you get the new front end? :)

[metalmaker12]

Maybe, we will see

Btw got best 818 award today, by default kinda

[Mechie3]

How was it by default? Only 818 moving under it's own power? I saw a few photos of some R's that I hadn't seen before.

[Kalstar]

You did an outstanding job on your car. You earned the many praises you received yesterday. I am sure this is the first of many recognitions you will be recognized for with this car. Well done indeed.

[metalmaker12]

No, I think all were running cars, and pretty well done for the most part.

Someone passed the torch to me because they felt mine was worthy of the prize. I do not need to be recognized, and was not easy to except this, but many folks forced it in my hands.

[wallace18]

Maybe, we will see

Btw got best 818 award today, by default kinda

Congrats. All that hard work, you deserve a little reward IMO.

[Hindsight]

Someone passed the torch to me because they felt mine was worthy of the prize.

I agree with this person. Congrats on a well deserved trophy. You are one of the very few who paints their own, not to mention does a great job of it.

[metalmaker12]

Thanks guys, labor of love, I don't stop till it fits and looks just right. My color choice might be bland to some and not as flashy, but my lines and panel figment is surely second to none, with interior etc that were not afterthoughts, much time and prep went into making it look as Oem as possible. I love building this car, but enjoy driving it even more. I guess my hard work, and advice has helped me earn this spot. Thanks all

[metalmaker12]

After much thought, awic road testing in 90 degree heat, testing on the dyno we ( me and tuner/ friend Matt Miner aka WKDMATTcame up with a safe but powerful power band that handles the heat pull after pull. I am running barely any timing to keep the heat down, but my power band is solid. I have about another 85-100 whp if I wanted it, but this car screams as is. My base dyno run was 265 @14psi on this dyno were a stock sti makes 225whp. Remember it's not just how much you make but from what rpm and for how long a duration. A 8250 redline with power right to it is helpful too lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K0fMuh6tV_g
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Ps Matt has tuned about 1600 subarus alone, never mind the other brands. He's the Subaru Jesus in the tuning world, very busy even if you know him,a good friend and the fairest guy you can meet. He loves tuning so if anyone needs a good experienced tuner, he's honestly the best one you can get anywhere.

Also Waynes awic proved itself run after run and only got to 110 air intake temps, so for the street it's working. I have both radiator fans kick on at 185 and they cool things down on the exchanger good. I also have a decent gap hood to windshield and I am going to make the mesh less restrictive for even better flow. Exhaust and headers are fully wrapped to. This setup works dumb well for the street.

[Frank818]

Awesome! And yes, a good AWIC rocks.
You planning on kicking out more torques or you happy with 265? You seems pretty happy as it is.

[metalmaker12]

It screws bro, way more than happy. And its 260 torque and 302 whp on dyno sheet. I could easily add way more, no need to

[Flamshackle]

The offsets (Rear 18x9 +42 offset with +3mm spacer so +39 mm offset, Front is 17x8 +35mm) fit the body just right and they have a nice look with the cars lines and color accenting. I spent some time picking a wheel that flowed with my scehme.

What rims are they exactly? They look awesome

[metalmaker12]

Bremer Kraft br10, gram light non forged clone

[Tamra]

Nice, congrats! That's awesome the AWIC is working well.

[metalmaker12]

Thanks, yeah the awic is working well

If it helps, you have to bleed the system very well for it to work correctly.

I wrapped exhaust completely, and have turbo blanket.

I insulated the bottom of the awic with Hvac heat wrap and covered the hoses with pipe heat insulator.

I am also running both fans on radiator and going to put less restrictive flow mesh for grills.

All this seems to be working in the heat and under moderate to heavy load for sustained sprints. Not sure it would on a race car all out

[metalmaker12]

I got some 0-60,,0-100 test to try soon. I have hit 0-60 in under 4. These tires spin a bit, but that might be helpful at keeping the tranny together. I will be recording it on my GForce meter which is pretty accurate.

[metalmaker12]

A local guy has a stage 2 SC Vette that puts down 500whp. His car weighs 3300lbs. (6.6 lbs per hp)

My car makes 300-310whp with current tame map and weighs in at 1886lbs on a junk yard scale (6.2 lbs per hp)

We lined up from a 30mph cruise in second and I pulled on him in second, third and fourth till I let off at 125mph.

My high rev and slightly better power to weight was about a good sec (8-10 car lengths) ahead at 125 from 30.

Next time I will hopefully have battery in my go pro. What a rush to pull on a car with such power.

He was impressed with how my 818 looks, sounds and pulls hard.Labor of love right guys.

[bbjones121]

Awesome to hear some of your results. Nobody else is really posting any of this data. Please get some videos also on youtube, i bet you could get a lot of hits.

[Frank818]

I got some 0-60,,0-100 test to try soon. I have hit 0-60 in under 4. These tires spin a bit, but that might be helpful at keeping the tranny together. I will be recording it on my GForce meter which is pretty accurate.

Can you do all that without hands on the s/w like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr9r81O5vN8

[metalmaker12]

That's cheating, like baseball players on juice. ;)

[Harley818]

Chris, thanks for posting the data and results. Sounds like it all came together perfect.
I have the awic set up as well but not running yet. Good to hear it's working well. And thanks for the details on how you installed it.
Would have loved to have been there pulling away from the vette

[metalmaker12]

Chris, thanks for posting the data and results. Sounds like it all came together perfect.
I have the awic set up as well but not running yet. Good to hear it's working well. And thanks for the details on how you installed it.
Would have loved to have been there pulling away from the vette

It is a lot of fun, it can pull on so many cars it gets boring, but the setup is currently working great for street driving.

[metalmaker12]

Well I left a set of strips like two hundred feet and than one strip...figure I broke the axile.... Yeap I did lol43557

[Frank818]

Doesn't look good.

Did you break the splines inside the hub? Apparently on a 2wd setup non-STI hub splines (those with 24 splines) may break over 400hp since they are not very large, but you are not that close to 400, maybe you didn't break them, can't see clearly on the pic.

[Hindsight]

Wow, you broke them at the exact same place several other folks have...... not good. Be sure to tell FFR about this. You are the third person I've read about this happening to this year.

I think one of the other guys mentioned he found an axle shop who could make stronger axles. Not sure of cost though.

[Frank818]

Wow, you broke them at the exact same place several other folks have...... not good. Be sure to tell FFR about this. You are the third person I've read about this happening to this year.

I think one of the other guys mentioned he found an axle shop who could make stronger axles. Not sure of cost though.

Well that's my point. There are a few limitations in that axle/hub setup, fix one, the other will hit you. Assuming you have enough power.

DriveShaftShop can do anything and they have a solution for stronger axles, CVs and also hubs, if anyone needs that (not saying Chris broke that, just saying with enough power you can).

[metalmaker12]

It's broken clean at the outer spline @ 260 wheel torque and 302 wheel hp. I was planning on up grading

[metalmaker12]

It's broken clean at the outer spline @ 260 wheel torque and 302 wheel hp. I was planning on up grading, but just going to fix and not beat on it so much.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

It's broken clean at the outer spline @ 260 wheel torque and 302 wheel hp. I was planning on up grading, but just going to fix and not beat on it so much.
Hey Chris,
What gear were you in when it broke?
What rear tires are you running?
Would STI hubs with custom axles help?
Bob

[Frank818]

Jesus...

Well bro you convinced me to upgrade. I will send out my spare set of hubs to DSS and ask them to build me 2 sets of CVs, one for each set of hubs and next winter I will take time to remove the hubs (which I just installed!) and fit the stronger ones. I might as well buy a set of longer studs with that, just in case.

[bbjones121]

Cardones seemed beefier for my legacy gt. I got them on Amazon.

[Tamra]

Bummer! Same question as Bob - what gear were you in and what happened right before it broke?

A guy we know with a Miata making ~140whp broke an axle at the last pro we were at. He carries spares and swapped it out in 10 minutes. The class he runs does not permit an upgrade, however.

Considering you are one of a handful that have had this problem already, it looks like we'll be pre-building some axles to have as spares... not sure if we want to upgrade, for fear that the breakage would move to something more expensive than an axle.

[C.Plavan]

I was all for upgrading the axles, but then members here reminded me what would break instead (gearbox). I have a lot of track miles on my set (over 300tq) no issues yet, but I'm not doing standing starts or burnouts. I do have sticky race tires though.

[bbjones121]

Did this happen with an LSD installed?

[metalmaker12]

Hey Chris,
What gear were you in when it broke?
What rear tires are you running?
Would STI hubs with custom axles help?
Bob

Pretty sure it broke in 1st on launch and burn. Sti stuff would be slightly stronger I would hope. I am going with same setup. Better to break axles than tranny. In a car you don't launch they will last.

Cusco Lsd installed and ACT clutch

Yokohama S drive tires