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LCD Gauges

08-26-2016, 10:53 AM

A question for those using the C5 fuel tanks with the FFR suggested cross-over.

When the tanks are over 50% full, do you experience a lag in fuel transfer to the opposite tank when filling from a station pump?

The fuel will pool in the fill tube and I have to wait for it to drain down and balance.

Is anyone else having this issue?

This is obviously due to the position of the cross-over hose at the bottom of the tanks.* Ideally, the cross-over needs to be placed near the top of the tanks, but we are limited due to engine interference.

Can anything be done about this aside from installing a transfer pump?

Do the aluminum tanks exhibit this pooling as well?

LCD Gauges

09-02-2016, 07:28 AM

After a few months of testing, the LCD gauges are working well enough to lock in the design.
I’ll be having circuit boards made to clean things up. I’m also going to try a smaller 8 inch screen.
The 10.1 inch is really nice, but it requires a bit of rework with the steering column for clearance
which limits the tilt angle of the steering wheel. Over the Winter I’ll play around with the gauge
pod and square up the corners to properly fit the bigger screen. The 8 inch tablet can then serve
as a remote screen.

It feels like a proud daddy moment to have this LCD gauge project wrap up.
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I’m going to tackle the hood alignment and fitment issue next. I think I’ll take a page out of
Mike and Dave’s book with a fixed fender and cut out a smaller opening for the hood. What
are you using for hinges? Hood prop, or smaller gas shocks? I’m leaning toward prop at the
moment.

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Fraser D

09-02-2016, 03:46 PM

The hinges I just made myself and I am just using a prop for now.
The FF5 struts died so I have just left them off until I have time to spend on it.

LCD Gauges

09-06-2016, 11:31 AM

I was thinking of using some tube stock with bushings (similar as bushings on door hinges. Did you make an extension from the rad mount, or use the existing flange? Any photos to share?

beeman

09-06-2016, 05:38 PM

I really liked the function of the trunk hinges on my old 350z roadster, self contained shocks and brought the trunk lid "up and out" rather than just a tilt.
Look around 1:45 in this video :

https://youtu.be/dljQS9fCdJ4
Here's a link to a set on eBay
http://r.ebay.com/K2UU4k

LCD Gauges

09-07-2016, 08:54 AM

Thanks for the link, they are fine looking hinges! I'll have to find a mounting location and then pull the trigger on the order.

LCD Gauges

09-14-2016, 08:03 PM

It happened. If finally happened. 5 years later, the sealant finally gave way.

What is my best option to drain the tank(s)? Disconnect the fuel rail hose, turn on the pump and redirect to some fuel cans?

I see some aluminum tanks in my future or possible C5 virgin tanks with a dual
pump setup and NO FREAKIN HOLES IN THE SIDE!

For me I learned too late, so here's a photo of what you can expect for drilling and using a sealer. It's just a matter of time.
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If you haven't done it, don't do it. There are better ways of connecting the cross-over
starting with Shanes's product.

I think I'll cap the passenger tank with an AN fitting to round out the remainder
of the year, then weigh my options for 2017. It's not like I'll be driving far
anyway.

The Stig

09-15-2016, 07:09 AM

If you are replacing the tanks, go with the aluminum tanks. You may also want to consider having them notched at the top to keep the fill hose from being pressed against the body, and being kinked. It made a huge difference in mine. And now fuel can be put in without it taking 20 minutes.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Fuel%20Tanks%20Reinstalled%2001_zpswhwhzkf1.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Fuel%20Tanks%20Reinstalled%2001_zpswhwhzkf1.jpg.ht ml)

Tony asked if he could put a drain in the bottom of each tank that would allow them to be drained when needed. I said "Heck Yeah"!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/image_zpsbfpfcctm.jpeg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/image_zpsbfpfcctm.jpeg.html)

I think it cost about 300 or so to have these two things done. But in the long run, I think it was money well spent.

Mike

LCD Gauges

09-15-2016, 07:53 AM

Cool mods, thanks for the tips Mike. Having a drain seems like a good plan.

I'm dreading the need to replace half of the fuel system, so I may go with the C5 virgin tanks with a cross-over pump. We'll see! Those aluminum tanks are gorgeous.

The Stig

09-15-2016, 11:57 AM

Those aluminum tanks are gorgeous.

The coolest thing about them is that they work, and they seal. I used an AN24 Cross over hose, as well as fittings for AN10 hose fittings at the bottom of each tank to feed the fuel pump, as well as for the return from the rails. The original "plastic" corvette tanks were a concern for me. For the exact reason that you posted in this thread.

It's a very lucky thing that they started leaking in your garage, instead of while you were driving with a hot engine and exhaust right behind them.

Like everything else in the GTM build, the use of the aluminum tanks were simply a matter of choice. But in this case, I felt it was a necessary choice, and worth whatever expense it took to get to a comfortable solution. I was never really comfortable with cutting holes in the tanks (at the bottom of the tank) and then trying to seal it back up.

So I was really happy when David Borden posted his interest in having prototypes of Aluminum Fuel Tanks made for a potential group buy for the GTM builders at that time. As soon as I read it, I was all in.

Mike

LCD Gauges

10-27-2016, 08:55 PM

It's a very lucky thing that they started leaking in your garage, instead of while you were driving with a hot engine and exhaust right behind them.

No doubt; lucky for me it was just a few drips that set off enough fuel odour to get my attention.

I ended up getting two virgin C5 tanks. The car is back together, but now we're facing sub zero temps and adverse weather.
I'm hoping to get the alignment done before shutting it down for the Winter.

I'll dedicate the cold season to completing the body work so I can think about paint for the Spring.

A couple of photos for a visual. I'm just about wrapped up with the menu structure of the LCD gauges.
One day I'll stop messing with the graphics and move onto something else. :o
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Aceflo

10-27-2016, 09:08 PM

Hey Stig ..do you happen to have all the dimensions for the tanks you installed? I'm going to weld some up for mine.

The Stig

10-27-2016, 09:43 PM

Hi Buddy,

I don't know the dimensions. I just bought them, and test fit them to make sure they fit. They did, so I put them in.

Sorry.

Mike

crash

10-28-2016, 09:55 AM

Hey Stig ..do you happen to have all the dimensions for the tanks you installed? I'm going to weld some up for mine.

I think a guy named Ron was the original producer off the aluminum tanks. He was friends with Ted from Quick Racing Products. You might want to try and reach Ron via Ted at QRP? He may have the dimensions/plans somewhere which would save you a lot of measuring and trial and error work.

Looks like QRP is still listing the tanks here...

http://quickracingproducts.com/html/fuel_system.html

Aceflo

10-28-2016, 05:54 PM

thanks Crash

Edgeman

10-28-2016, 09:54 PM

http://www.fueltankparts.com/replacement-tanks/factory-five-racing.html
Boyd welding has them too.

LCD Gauges

11-27-2016, 10:55 PM

The brain of the LCD gauges is almost complete! These proto-type boards are A-1 quality and better than some production level boards that
I've worked on. I've got a TPMS system on order that I'm going to integrate into the setup and then it's all body work and paint prep over the
Winter.

I think it's time this car received some colour...and I'd like to enjoy my Summer on the roads, not in my garage!

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LCD Gauges

01-08-2017, 11:43 PM

Here's a teaser of what i'm working on for the Playback Software for the LCD gauges and Data logger. I'll most likely use an overlay style gauge cluster that floats over the video for maximum size.

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LCD Gauges

02-08-2017, 09:19 PM

crash

02-09-2017, 11:33 AM

beeman

02-09-2017, 01:09 PM

I'm on the verge of integrating a 3rd party TPMS system into the GTM. The sensors are external, valve stem versions and I'm not sure what to think.

They are quite large and will most definitely require additional wheel balancing. The hard part is reverse-engineering the pressure data from the 3rd party
hardware into my module.

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So those basically act as a dust cover too, with a sensor? How much stress would that put on the valve stem for us guys who like to track occasionally, at 150ish mph? Seems like a lot of torque on the stem, but maybe not. GM/AC Delco replacement TPMS's are only like $20... any way to tie into something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-23445327-Original-Equipment-Monitoring/dp/B00O9H1JCS/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1486663571&sr=8-10&keywords=tpms+system

Seems to be a lot of TPMS apps for android but mixed reviews, and not sure what sensors they are using..

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=tire%20pressure%20monitor&c=apps&hl=en

GM has an app, but looks like it requires OnStar

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gm.chevrolet.nomad.ownership&hl=en

LCD Gauges

02-09-2017, 09:37 PM

Yes sir, I'm all over that angle. I grabbed two sets (315 and 433 MHz) as the TPMS system does not specify the frequency.

Time will tell if the sensors will communicate with the hardware.

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As for the other external sensors, they double as a dust cap as well. I'm not too sure how they'll handle at 150+ MPH, but I'd imagine the mass
will only be an issue with extreme acceleration/deceleration unless you are thinking about load on the stem due to centrifugal force?

WIS89

02-10-2017, 11:03 AM

Tino-

So sorry to hear about what happened to your work; truly infuriating!

I hope it doesn't distract you from your progress on your design and your GTM. That would be even worse in my opinion.

I suspect that that clown will get what he deserves -- or at least I hope he does!

Keep up the great work Tino!

Regards,

Steve

LCD Gauges

02-10-2017, 05:09 PM

Thanks Steve, I'm not at all distracted by this. If anything, it motivates me to design better and bury those fools. :cool:
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LCD Gauges

02-14-2017, 10:58 PM

Isn't it amazing. We're "little guys" doing cool stuff and jerks come in, steal our designs and try and take our very limited business away. It has happened to me on these forums. I try to not get too up tight about it and figure that people are smart enough to see the differences in quality and hopefully also want to go with the supplier that has been on these forums for many years, but it is pretty damn ballsy and annoying.

...
Here's to hoping karma is a beoch for them! :)

Hey Mike, I'm sorry I didn't see this sooner. Most of my forum visits have been via cell phone, so I must have scrolled past this. I didn't realise you were also getting ripped off. Hopefully the exposure you receive from the community will come back full circle to bite their rear-ends!

I'm suspicious about that Vaydor guy. He was inquiring about my project for weeks and at times complaining about the cost. His other posts on this forum seek "cheap" LCD gauge solutions, but then he ends up promoting a sub-par system that costs 3-4 times as much!

Offline he was asking me about working with "THEM" to produce drivers for my hardware to work with their graphics.

Hmmm...then suddenly my work ends up on the website that he's advertising.

Call me crazy, but I see a connection. At the very least, he showed 'those guys' this thread and they took it upon themselves to steal my stuff. It seems to be the likely story
based on my conversations with Vaydor.

Who knows? Who cares? I'm going work harder to make sure my toys are better than theirs. I think I'm on the right track.

Their "Aventador", 7 inch screen

Our "Aventador", 8 or 10 inch screen :cool:
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LCD Gauges

04-02-2017, 05:16 PM

I finally put down the laptop and went into the garage. :cool:

I'm cleaning up some annoying issues that have been bothering me since buying
the car.

The telescopic steering has been removed - it's just not worth connecting for the minimal
movement in my setup. The remaining bug is the play between the inner shaft and outer
collar. When turning it feels very sloppy and will begin to bind when there is resistance
in the steering rack.
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I'd like to cut the outer collar at the red line and find a flanged bearing with a 1 inch inner ring diameter and 1 5/8 inch outer ring diameter to insert.

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If I'm not mistaken, someone on this forum has already done this mod.
If you're out there, please post the bearing PN#! If I find it, I'll post it first.

https://cdn3.volusion.com/jvvsn.zmqva/v/vspfiles/photos/Kit8233-2.jpg?1482229656

Lastly, the steering shaft is hitting my clutch pedal. I'd really hate to notch the pedal
or shaft. From what I can tell the pedal assembly cannot be easily moved and there's
no visible lateral adjustment in the pedals. Does anyone have experience with the
Wilwood product or have a similar interference issue as mine?

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Drdw

04-02-2017, 09:50 PM

My steering was sloppy with a lot of play as well. I just drilled and tapped a hole and put in a set screw to join those pieces together. A lot more solid now.
I can't help with the pedal, my steering column sits right in the middle between the brake and clutch pedals.
I'd like to come get a demo of your gauges some time when I'm in Toronto. I'm in BC but my son is at the University of Waterloo so we are through That area sometimes.

LCD Gauges

04-03-2017, 07:10 AM

Joining the pieces together is a great idea. I'm also thinking about sleeving the inner shaft with a brass bushing, but I'm not
sure how well that will work in the long term. Worst case, if the bushing needs to be replaced, it's an easy 10 minute task.

http://www.bronzebush.com/products/001-sleeves-bushing.jpg

Let me know when you're in the area and I'd be happy to show you the setup.

LCD Gauges

04-23-2017, 05:51 PM

A beautiful day to be outside with clear skies and sun. I was lucky enough to get some time on the car. The steering
linkage feels much better with the bushing and clearing thr clutch pedal interference . Now I need to find that bearing
to stabilize the shaft before the u-joint and it will be solid.

I'm working on a project for a customer, but it's such a great feature that I'll have to integrate the controller into my car as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Gl4D5b17g

beeman

04-23-2017, 05:57 PM

That will be cool to run the HVAC from the tablet!

LCD Gauges

04-24-2017, 11:28 AM

For sure! My goal of having a complete, "glass cockpit" is getting closer. TESLA meets GTM is the theme! :p

What isn't going well is the TPMS merger.

The external vale stem caps are ugly and completely useless. You'll be laughing from a mile away if you put these things on your car!
Needless to say, if I can't get the internal sensors to work, this 3rd party system is going bye-bye. I certainly cannot sell this setup.

It's too bad if it doesn't work out because this product also reports tire temperature. Don't ask me how, because the external sensor
cannot be very accurate reading temperature via the valve stem with ambient air effecting the reading.

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WIS89

04-24-2017, 11:58 AM

Tino-

You are an electronics magician! HVAC through the tablet, and that wicked cool gauge set-up rocks!

I really admire the skills it takes to do this kind of work.

Keep up the great work, and please keep us posted on your progress!

Regards,

Steve

LCD Gauges

04-25-2017, 11:07 AM

Thanks Steve, I'll definitely keep the updates rolling. I won't consider myself a magician until the TPMS integration is figured out. Right now, I feel like doing some magic
to make all the problems disappear!

LCD Gauges

05-08-2017, 08:49 AM

Another milestone is coming for this GTM as I prepare for the alignment this weekend.

I've been reading a few threads and doing a bit of bench racing on the initial start points. I'm not too worried about getting it perfect
the first time as I'm planning to upgrade the complete stock GEN 1 suspension.

We're still using the Yellow KONI's, stock cam bolts, fixed control arm, etc.

These are the numbers that I found for initial settings:

Front:
Toe In (inches): 1/8
Camber (deg): -0.25
Caster (deg): 2.5

Rear:
Toe In (inches): 1/8
Camber (deg): -0.5
Caster (deg): N/A

I'll be reviewing this thread as it has a great deal of info:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?1994-Chassis-Set-Up&highlight=alignment+gtm

In addition to the suspension, I'd like to finally get moving on the body work - especially the hood.
Points to be addressed include the:
- passenger side closing points near the fender and door
- hood opening (smaller opening section with fixed nose)
- Wheel arcs
- Frontal radiator opening

My Buddy Ron (Presto51) has been in the news recently with his expect help on Tucker's car (Brent),
so I'll plug him again with his advice on getting my front end remodelled. I'll be using clay and some
non-stick tape to get the fiberglass lines setup. Then layers of cloth and resin for strength before
slapping on the filler.

The final look will appear something like the upper image.

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LCD Gauges

05-23-2017, 08:39 PM

Here's hoping for clear skies this weekend, I'm itching to get the alignment done so I can get some track time under my belt this season.
Last week was a wash - literally. :p

What do you think of my sexy fake tire? I learned this trick when setting up the Ford GT's. We would setup the computer modules and wiring
harness on a test bench before installing to the car. Sensors were installed in the pipes and then pressurised to configure the dash. Unfortunately,
these Ford sensors require a transmitter to help communicate with the module. A few couple of weeks for this tool to arrive from CA before
I'll know if the internal sensors will work with my LCD system.

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VD2021

05-25-2017, 08:51 AM

LCD Gauges

05-25-2017, 10:33 AM

Vidal,

Nice to see you posting again! You can find more information here:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?24047-Introducing-the-PRO-LCDi-200-LCD-Guage-System!&p=278705&viewfull=1#post278705

This is a first draft of the touch screen / GUI:
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LCD Gauges

05-29-2017, 11:20 AM

Last week didn't work out with the alignment shop. The entry was too steep for my car, and the tech said the jacks would
hit the underbody.

I have two awesome recommendations for the Toronto area GTM's that need low-clearance alignments:

Gator Performance, Ajax
http://www.gatorcustomautoperformance.com/
and
Engineered Automotive, Vaughn
engineeredautomotive.com/

EA has quite a race pedigree and exotic car following. Gator is much closer to me
and also deals with performance vehicles.

LCD Gauges

06-03-2017, 09:29 AM

Finally straight. The initials were terrible, I know. It still drove fairly well considering. The tech suggested a less aggressive camber for the street. Probably a better choice for my needs right now.

https://scontent.fyto1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/18839566_10156247486689148_7357902493689688786_o.j pg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=cfb8ec8021f1d7fdd4242981d845c3d5&oe=59DFCA6D

Shoeless

06-14-2017, 04:30 PM

Hey Tino,

I just finished reading your build thread from start to finish and all I can say is I'm very impressed. From the doors, to the tail lights, to your personal LCD setup. Just absolutely amazing!!!!!!

I just closed on one of my rental property sales yesterday and the funds are no available for me to pull the trigger on a GTM. I reached out to a gentleman (dbusa) that lives in Ft. Lauderdale (about 2 hours from me) to see if I can get an up close view at his ride. For now, I'm putting together my build plans and budget and we'll see what my final number ends up at.

Sean

LCD Gauges

06-30-2017, 07:07 AM

Thanks Sean and congrats on ordering your kit!

20 days of rain this month - a record in my lifetime . Some areas if the city are flooded. Not much opportunity for joy riding.

I'm putting the finishing touches on this display and will eventually rework my console to incorporate this controller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4WA6orsTE&t=20s

LCD Gauges

11-20-2017, 11:57 PM

There's so much happening that I wanted to document and update the forum as I'm not quite
ready to post a new thread on the LCD system.

With the introduction of the new hardware, and new skins, this project has taken on new meaning
for me. I've connected with many people in various parts of the globe that have found me here,
or via my website. With each new system roll-out, the bar gets set a little higher.

Better graphics, new custom applications, and more efficient code is the result of continued
evolution of this beast. I'll wait to officially announce the networking that I'm doing with a
shop in Texas that is building one hell of a car for the 2018 SEMA show.

This is a teaser of the start-up logo for the car. Keep in mind, it's a cell phone video of my
computer monitor with some scratch graphics. The concept is pretty decent I'd say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opjZIJNP0ak

A builder in Florida is putting this into a G35 Kit Car. It's a Lamborghini Centenario LCD
skin.

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23561738_1743203269037065_1695602486932448174_n.jp g?oh=b956d9877961348a485bf39cc76fca4c&oe=5AA67D9B
https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23659335_1743202199037172_5579913601415508667_n.jp g?oh=7c2e50c4c228bf6cb27bdb1bf15d14b4&oe=5A9753DE
https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22554888_1713324658691593_3643374835369341408_n.jp g?oh=b8c7dcb5fda2d2b8e1441a8c16bbde09&oe=5A9B4CA1
Last, but certainly not least is a guy from over-seas who wants to develop a custom system for his Super-Lite
using a Twin-Engine Boat inspired LCD. This is by far the sexiest engine panel I've seen to date!

https://scontent.fykz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23622184_10156856701664148_5411468537064059306_n.j pg?oh=839932351eabbeae5513a04e37b34972&oe=5A979252

All of these skins will be available for download once completed.

I'm a few days away from launching the Version 2 Hardware thread, so keep an eye out for that!
Thanks for everyone's interest, it's very motivating!

As for my car...I haven't touched it since late Summer. I went for a spin around the block last month,
but otherwise nothing has changed. Good thing I got the alignment done, right? :D

LCD Gauges

05-15-2018, 09:21 PM

Hey all, long time no visit. I hope you're all doing well and enjoying the start of the 2018 season.

It almost seemed like the GTM craze was dying off when I last checked the forum, but it's nice to
see many new build threads popping up.

Another year in the books and my car has sat pretty much idle. This year will be no different as we're
moving (again). This is our 3rd move since buying the GTM and hopefully our last! Going on 7 years
without door glass and a paint job. At least it's aligned and I can drive it around 'Ghetto style' in good
weather.

Anyway, I have a cool story to share. Telling my wife didn't result in the excitement I was expecting;
she just doesn't understand the automotive industry or the chain of events...so check this out:

I've been selling a few more LCD systems these past few months. A local guy not too far from Toronto
ended up buying a single screen setup for a custom Corvette. He did some work through Pfaff designs
in Detroit as his customer plans to show this car at SEMA and other shows.

Two weeks ago I was approached by another local shop, pretty much within my region. He called to get
more information and invited me down to see his place.

It turns out he received my information via Pfaff Designs as he mentioned my LCD system that was getting
installed in the Corvette.

Just for the record, I've never called Pfaff or have any personal communication with them. I'm amazed that
a reputable company in the USA thought about my LCD system to recommend to a customer of theirs.

Going further, at least two...maybe three cars that purchased the digital gauges will be at SEMA this Fall.
My wife has no idea what potential this may have, but it literally scares me.

I never thought for a second that a personal project that I made for my car would turn into small sales
to a handful of forum members, and now reaching some of the biggest shows in North America.

My stuff is built in the basement with mostly off-the-shelf materials. I feel like my game needs to step-up
a few notches. Everything from graphics, to custom enclosures, complete software packages and documentation, etc.

I don't know if this is going to escalate, or just remain "status-quo", but I'm inspired to jump to the next level.

I'll post some photos of the completed cars once the builders finish up. These cars are jaw-dropping!

crash

05-16-2018, 09:41 AM

Congratulations. I can tell you from experience that many "big companies" in the car aftermarket start off as personal projects in some ones garage. The problem is going to be that once people see how cool your stuff is, they will try and copy it. :(

LCD Gauges

05-16-2018, 10:49 AM

That's the sad part. it's tough to protect electronics via patents, so I'm a bit hesitant to invest large amounts of money
into developing this further.

Any of the big three (or four) could easily copy this idea and mass produce it. I'm not so sure they could compete with
the price point however; they would have to cut their current retail by about 60% USD.

I'm just a drop in the ocean compared to their stronghold in the market. I doubt anything that I'm doing would ever
threaten their sales.

LCD Gauges

05-16-2018, 02:21 PM

Well, how about this?

What are you using to connect your upper rad hose? I'd like to use a more appealing

solution than rubber hose if possible.

Thanks in advance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzi-GpdFVzs

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

05-16-2018, 03:37 PM

Pretty sure that's supposed to use the OEM upper radiator hose from the 'Vette. You just cut it down and put one end on the radiator neck and insert the flex tube into the other end and use hose clamps. You could probably also use a silicone 90" elbow of proper size.

crash

05-16-2018, 04:11 PM

Have you thought about just keeping your dashes bespoke for whatever the customer needs? Case in point is that I know a guy here local that does custom car work. Not your normal stuff, but some serious stuff where MLB players will go and buy a McLaren and drive it over from the lot and ask him to gut the interior and "make it their own". He only does high end stuff. I think your product would fit into this market nicely, and you could likely charge 60% MORE than the other guys, and these people would pay it to have something that no one else has. If you are interested, let me know and I will put you in touch with this shop. They do some amazing work.

LCD Gauges

05-16-2018, 05:39 PM

Thanks Shane, I appreciate the quick response. I'll likely use the Vette hose for now, then replace it with a chrome neck later.

Mike,

By "Bespoke", do you mean 'custom' or "exclusive"?
At the moment every kit that I've sold has been customized graphically and even to adapt 3rd party hardware (ie: HVAC or lift systems).

I'm not opposed to designing exclusive graphics for people. My current graphic capability could not compete with OEM supercars.

I have already priced out the software at $40,000 USD + license fee per unit. I can't do that right now.

Thanks for the offer to refer me. I'll keep it in mind once I have updated the hardware and found a better graphics solution.

Shoeless

05-16-2018, 07:28 PM

Hey Tino,

The 90 degree elbows you are talking about are something like the Spectre Performance 7898 Magna-kool Radiator Hose End Cover. I'm not sure if this is the exact model number, as I only came across the name brand one day and jotted down the note to go back later and get the proper one, but here is a link

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spectre-7898-Radiator-Hose-Adapter-90-Degree-Chrome/401492918735?epid=656517526&hash=item5d7ad7c1cf:g:wugAAOSwi4lag1MW&vxp=mtr

BTW very cool news about getting some of your stuff shown at SEMA!!!!

crash

05-17-2018, 09:09 AM

You guys might want to check these out...

http://www.hps-siliconehoses.com/

http://samcosport.com/manufacturer/elbows/

beeman

05-17-2018, 09:31 AM

What are the thoughts on rubber vs silicone vs aluminum vs steel/chrome radiator tubing? Are all adequate?

crash

05-17-2018, 12:19 PM

I personally would stick with silicone and aluminum, although we do have some steel on the race car. Not a fan of the corrugated hoses and tubes. They tend to adversely effect flow. They may be convenient, but you will never see one on a car I am involved with.

LCD Gauges

05-18-2018, 07:23 PM

Thanks for the tips guys. I'll tackle a temp solution over the weekend as this car has to go by end of the month!

beeman

05-18-2018, 07:24 PM

Has to go where?? Are you selling it?

LCD Gauges

05-18-2018, 07:41 PM

Noooooooo...moving (again)!:cool:

LCD Gauges

06-24-2018, 08:50 PM

We're finally settled into this temporary, rental house until our home is ready. On that note,
if any of you have done this to your cooling system, or you're thinking of doing it - just stop.
Stop it now!

The previous owner simply slid this hose into a rubber sleeve and hoped that the epoxy would
do the trick. :confused:

Luckily I was in the driveway doing the initial "run-up check" for the first drive of the season
when it popped.

Thanks to everyone for their links to the chrome piece.

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LCD Gauges

03-23-2019, 11:02 PM

Today I'm going to switch hats from,"LCD Business Tino" back to, "Building a kit-car Tino". I miss getting my hands dirty and working in the garage...
and just being an F5R forum dude!

After many years of sitting on this project, I'm biting down and making time for myself and the GTM. Job #1 is getting my own LCD gauges installed.
It's a crime that I'm not able to demo the system, or provide a decent photo of the interior when people ask. Today I spent the afternoon gutting the
interior.

The entire dash has been removed, seats pulled out, and steering column (again). The sloppy play in the linkage needs to get fixed. I know I'm
missing a bearing, or sleeve in the telescopic portion of the column. There is also a requirement for a secondary bracket and flange bearing to
prevent the universal joint from binding when the steering wheel is turning.

Now that I'm in the footwell area, the openings in the firewall can be addressed. If you haven't looked close enough, or used some backlighting, you
may not notice all of the air leaks. Most obvious is above the pedal box - I'd like to make a cover to keep the rad heat from getting into the cabin.

I'm having someone redo the gauge pod, and will be replacing the vinyl with Carbon Fiber (same for the passenger side cover). I think a matte finish
will be best to reduce sun glare. The contour of the pod is also going to change from a rounded hood, to a flat top with radiused corners to fit a 12.1"
LCD screen.

The stereo has been pulled and will be replaced with a touchscreen controller/media player with all the options to use as a demo at car shows and future
trade shows. Plus, you can't beat the cool factor of an electronic engine start/stop on screen! :cool:

In other news, I met Murray Pfaff while doing a tradeshow in Toronto. Funny guy, and remembered recommending my system to a customer of his.
I thanked him for hooking me up, and he said he'd look me up from time-to-time. We shook hands, exchanged business cards, and off we went.
Kinda cool to finally meet him after seeing so much of his work!

Look at me writing about business... :confused:

Anyway, I'll update again once the new dash pod is shaped. Right now, the guy is laying down the fiberglass to make a mold/copy of the original and
then we're going to modify the copy ( I have no idea how this stuff works)!

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Roger Reid

03-24-2019, 01:11 PM

Tino. I don't know if your steering wheel flexes too much on it's mounts but this is how I stiffened mine. 4 bolts vs 2 and moved the wheel closer to the dash compensating for the space out caused by the quick release steering hub.

LCD Gauges

03-24-2019, 02:05 PM

Good idea! More mounting points will certainly help the total column flex.

The issue with mine is more with the shaft play, and binding when turning the wheel. The U-Joint tends to "walk up" at a certain
degree and cause a bit of a jolt. If I can mount a bearing just before the u-joint, it will eliminate the nuisance as well.
https://cdn3.volusion.com/nfczr.pzckq/v/vspfiles/photos/Kit18640-2T.jpg?1551166713

LCD Gauges

04-04-2019, 05:44 PM

The pod re-work is moving along. Saturday we'll be fitting the screen and making the new
contour for the dash. I can't wait to finally hit the button and see the gauges come alive! :cool:

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Shoeless

04-04-2019, 07:44 PM

Thats going to be pretty slick!!!

beeman

04-05-2019, 08:34 AM

Yeah, I would love to have a massive display like that!

jamesfr58

04-06-2019, 10:49 PM

Will be different cant wait to see the finished project might have one of these systems on my next build

LCD Gauges

04-14-2019, 08:54 PM

Getting a bit closer to the LCD install. Theo (the CF/Fiberglass guy) is coming over in a few days to grab the wooden template so he can
shape the pod. Once that's done and the test fit is done, it's getting sent for Carbon skinning! He talked me into redoing the entire interior
as well. Everything vinyl will be covered with CF, and the dash items will be 'flat' to prevent glare.

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I'm a few days away from wiring the system, but I had to edit some images to get an idea of aspect ratio. I'm not sure which skin I'm going
to use, but I really like the tachometer in this layout.
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While that's setup, pappa is doing up a wicked looking skin that is based on a video game. A bit of a teaser...
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For anyone doing fiberglass molds, check out this pink spray-on release agent. It just peels off, and literally
no resistance to separate the parts.

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Next post I'm hoping to have a video of the actual gauges working with engine running!

Shoeless

04-15-2019, 02:58 PM

That is going to be very nice when you get it all together.

What's the brand of the release agent you mentioned?

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

04-16-2019, 08:15 AM

That is going to be very nice when you get it all together.

What's the brand of the release agent you mentioned?

Looks similar to the stuff I use but it's green....Partall film#10

crash

04-16-2019, 10:04 AM

Looks similar to the stuff I use but it's green....Partall film#10

That's the same stuff I use. :)

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

04-16-2019, 01:46 PM

Perfect spray gun for application...these are on sale all the time at Harbor Freight for $9.99 and do a perfect job with the Partall film#10:

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Shoeless

04-21-2019, 08:05 PM

Thanks for the heads up guys.

LCD Gauges

04-22-2019, 08:11 PM

I've been trying to get the info about the release agent from "my guy", but he hasn't been very responsive. Oh well, I hope he is still moving along with
the fiberglass work!

The new skin for my car is complete. It's a bit 'off the wall', but I like it! I'm uploading it to the system and will be wiring it up this week.
This will be for the console touchscreen:

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I finally got smart and installed a one-way fuel valve. Now I can use the system to prime the fuel rail and shut off the pump
with the pressure reads 55 PSI. It will make starting the engine a bit easier I suppose!
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beeman

04-22-2019, 08:31 PM

That looks great!
I don't remember if you mentioned it - are you running navigation and audio through your system?

LCD Gauges

04-22-2019, 08:36 PM

Thanks! Yes, it will have NAV/GPS and a media player with FM radio as well.

LCD Gauges

06-14-2019, 06:43 PM

Mid June and this car will not see the finish line again this year. The dash work that started in April still isn't complete - you just can't pay enough for speedy
work it seems. :/

I can't say I'm disappointed in the progress however, the new interior is going to look great. I'm planning to redo the console and skin the waterfall, as well as the passenger cover in Carbon Fiber.

7 years and counting. I've torn out the inside for the 3rd time. I'm ripping out most of the electrical that was installed when I purchased the used kit. Ideally, I want to
lift the body and start over, but there's no time for that! Maybe over the Winter months if the schedule allows. Anything goes before the body is completed for
paint I guess?

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The new contour of the dash pod is going to look great with the LCD. The added glare-shield looks a bit more OEM I suppose.
Hopefully it does the job.
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Last but not least, the gauge skin is still getting tweaked. I'm always messing with it! It will probably go through
another major change before I'm happy with it.

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I've got some exciting news for the LCD Systems as well - I've contacted a few magazines, and have redone my
website. More to come in their own dedicated thread.

LCD Gauges

06-19-2019, 12:12 PM

I've been fighting the urge to post a video of the LCD gauges, but I need to wait for the final Carbon Fiber part to arrive.

The mould is complete; this is just painted fiberglass. We're hoping to have the final product here by month end (or sooner!).

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LCD Gauges

06-29-2019, 10:23 PM

I received the first cut from the mould. It's pretty good, but needs some tweaking. By mid July, I'm hoping to have the final CF part and
ready to lock in the LCD gauges!

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LCD Gauges

08-02-2019, 03:49 PM

Such a slow process, but I'm busy doing other stuff so I can't be too upset. He says there is one more
clear coat to add, then it's done. I can't wait to get this stuff in the car already!

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I'm also getting this skin completed for the big debut:

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A shout out to my graphic's guy Kyle, who is doing some killer word on skin designs!
He's the boss with all of his cool software and keen eye.

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LCD Gauges

08-09-2019, 04:35 PM

We're moving at a snail's pace with this interior work. It looks amazing, but waiting is killing me. I'll have to move forward with my demo
video using an alternative pod in the GTM.

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Some cool looking graphic software for a new project coming up!
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LCD Gauges

09-16-2019, 09:30 PM

Getting somewhere with this interior (finally!). The Carbon Fiber is just beautiful; the vinyl can no longer stay! Over the Winter I'm
hoping to have the doors skinned with CF and the remainder of the console covered with a flat CF.

The gauges are alive, but not yet connected to the sensors. I'll be digging away all week to get a functional video of this thing in action.
Sorry about the blacked out squares, there are just too many eye-sores happening with wires and unfinished interior.

The new pod fits very nicely. It's not screwed down yet, but the contour matches well.
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The Double DIN is roughed-in. I'll need a 90 degree adapter to get more clearance for cable in the rear,
then it will sit flush with the console. The LCD is a live shot, but there's no bezel over the display yet.
I'm trying to find the best method to cut Carbon Fiber straight and clean.
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This is a little photo edit of how it will look with trimmed and finished.

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P.S. This pod and trim plate is for sale (Carbon or Fiberglass). Message me if interested. A proper thread will be posted later this week!

crash

09-17-2019, 11:48 AM

Regular saw blades in an air saw can be used to cut fiberglass and CF but they wear out quickly. I found some carbide blades at Home Depot that last a LONG time. They are used for cutting ceramics. They have little bits of carbide fused to the blade. This still is just a rough cut and an air sander or file can be used to straighten all the rough cuts. It's definitely a process.

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

09-17-2019, 01:24 PM

I just checked out their website and I see lots of different carbide blades for jigsaws and sawzalls, but I don't see any that look like they're specifically for a small body saw? I'd definitely be interested in what you're using as none of the body saw blades I've used will hold up to very much use on fg and especially cf.....

crash

09-17-2019, 01:33 PM

I'll see if I can get a picture and post it. I did have to modify the mounting tang to fit my air saw by grinding it slightly IIRC. Hopefully I still have one in a package. To give you an idea, I cut the GTM body into over 20 pieces with LONG cuts along the lengths of fenders, etc. I never wore out the first blade doing this.

beeman

09-17-2019, 02:00 PM

I'm trying to find the best method to cut Carbon Fiber straight and clean.

I agree. As good as the new 3D carbon fiber vinyl overlays look, I'm a big fan of sending a DXF file of the gauge surround to Shane at Vraptor, have him cut it from aluminum (with perfectly straight lines, arcs, circles, symmetry, etc), then take that exact same DXF to the wife's Cricut and cut (with perfectly straight lines, arcs, circles, symmetry, etc) the pattern from CF vinyl and lay it on the aluminum.

https://s16.directupload.net/images/190301/ihw57zr4.jpg

I don't know anyone who would bet me $1000 that this isn't real CF:

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/20190412_091918_1.gif

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

09-18-2019, 01:48 PM

Very Nice!.....and my daughter has a Cricut......never thought of using it for that!....I did consider having her make some vinyl company decals for me, but never thought of using it to cut the vinyl to fit the parts!

LCD Gauges

09-20-2019, 12:25 PM

I have a tile cutter that would definitely help with straight cuts.

I'm pretty sure it would prevent fraying/chipping, but I'll test it on some scrap pieces first.

Anyone against this with certainty, or do I have a good shot?!
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LCD Gauges

09-20-2019, 05:23 PM

Finally, some functions connected and working.

Much more to go, but it's alive and well.

https://youtu.be/k0R4R84Y7QE

crash

09-25-2019, 11:13 AM

Here is the one I was talking about and use regularly...

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jamesfr58

09-26-2019, 12:39 PM

Crash, thanks for he info as I have been trying different blades with various success, I will get one like the one you mentioned and give it a whirl, has to be better than what I was using.

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

09-27-2019, 09:29 AM

Already ordered one. Yeah, from what you're saying it has to be light years better than what I've been using. The regular body saw blades...you can get about 10-15 minutes of use out of each blade and they're completely shot.

LCD Gauges

10-11-2019, 09:26 PM

Finally got the new dash pod bolted down. It fits like a glove!

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That's more than I can say for the PSG side piece, which was simply skinned.
I'm not sure why it's not matching the contour any longer, but it couldn't have
grown that much?

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I'm not sure what to do with the center console, most likely a flat CF.

This whole body and interior is coming out again soon. I just wont be happy
unless it's done over from scratch. The video will explain more. :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ddgM6T3Ng

LCD Gauges

12-02-2019, 03:51 PM

The tear down has begun. I'm ripping out all of the wiring and starting fresh. While the interior is gutted,
the console is getting chopped to make room for a bigger touchscreen. The red line in the photo is the
planned shape.
https://www.ffcars.com/attachments/hoist-jpg.356335/
https://www.ffcars.com/attachments/console-jpg.356333/

Also having some thicker gauge vent covers made up. I'm not liking the bent aluminum look very much.

https://www.ffcars.com/attachments/vent-jpg.356334/

Lastly, the LCD system got a fresh graphic. It's a mix of LaFerrari, McLaren 720S, and some personal
touches. I've given up on the space-tech theme and going with a more performance oriented feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkKOYjmlMeo

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

12-02-2019, 04:25 PM

Very nice!

LCD Gauges

12-08-2019, 07:48 AM

Most of the front end wiring has been removed, and not a moment too soon. Besides wanting to clean up the original wiring,
and matching fuse positions to functions, I've always wanted to re-locate or re-position the battery for easier access and removal.

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As I removed the negative cables, it was apparent that my battery had slid backward. The scary part is that the painted frame
and design of the battery case saved me from absolute and inevitable damage.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzk9ZFQBkxU

I'm getting a quote on new air vents for the windshield defrost. Draft one isn't bad, but I'll have to move
the screw holes inward so the heads are not exposed at the edge. If anyone likes the design and wants the
CAD file, I'll send it (Fusion - .F3D). I'm hoping to get a 3D print done by tomorrow for test fitting.

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LCD Gauges

01-04-2020, 08:03 AM

Beeman is rubbing off on me, I'm cutting up my car! :eek: The center console section is getting dropped down
8 inches to fit a bigger LCD screen in place of the Double DIN unit.

The shifter is lower by 5 inches as it sits. I'll have to stick the seat in there to get a feel for everything
before the welding begins.
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If anyone wants some decent software for making wiring diagrams, give TinyCAD a try. It also does
simulation if you're doing some advanced projects. Digikey also has a wiring CAD, but it's only available
online. TinyCAD is not as pretty, but it will let you visualize the gauge, and also get the colour down
just like the vehicle wiring harness. You can move objects around, and the wiring will remain intact
which is nice.

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Test fitting of the new vent design looks good. It's currently sitting on top of the existing
cover, but it will sit flush once screwed down. No more bent, aluminum! I think I'll get
them done with a Black, anodized finish?

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A new kill switch which is a bit prettier than my previous switch.
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beeman

01-04-2020, 10:48 AM

The great thing about the GTM - build it how you want it!
Just remember that FFR used CAD and FEA to design the chassis for rigidity. The center backbone gives the chassis rigidity in the region of the door openings since there are no full length door bars. I doubt you would even notice changes in chassis rigidity after modifying the backbone in a street car with the roof structure intact. I modified my roof structure so I added beefy door bars...

I ended up buying a windshield vent kit from Summit, it has pretty nice black plastic vents.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-991104-2

https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/mediumlarge/SUM-991104-2_ml.jpg

LCD Gauges

01-04-2020, 08:43 PM

I doubt you would even notice changes in chassis rigidity after modifying the backbone in a street car with the roof structure intact.

Actually, I did notice a bit of a 'buckle' with only one bar cut.
The chassis is also supported by the hoist at the insides of
the wheel wells where the footwell and fuel tanks meet.

I'd imagine it would be worse with weight on wheels.

It makes me want to extend the bar to the HVAC enclosure
and build an 'x' bar in between.

beeman

01-04-2020, 11:30 PM

That buckle you felt was just the result of tension created in the chassis metal from expansion/contraction by the welding process, not anything bad. Your GTM just let out a sigh of relief.

LCD Gauges

01-05-2020, 10:53 AM

That buckle you felt was just the result of tension created in the chassis metal from expansion/contraction by the welding process, not anything bad. Your GTM just let out a sigh of relief.

Tough to say as the blade got jammed as if the interior folded inward, but I was expecting the upper cage to hold it back. In any case,
I hope you're correct!

At the very least, I'm going to weld in some matching tube stock (the green outline) and maybe add the third piece depending on how
the structure reacts when I cut the second bar:

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Now...the fun of lowering the parking brake, and making close-out panels. What have you done with your tunnel pieces? I suppose
buying some sheets of aluminum and cut-to-fit?

LCD Gauges

01-05-2020, 11:24 PM

It's all cut, and no drama with buckling. I guess you were right Beemz!

The new shifter position feels great. Aside from being a few inches further away from the
steering wheel (note to racers for the extra .020 of a second to reach the shifter), It's a wrap.
Now the fun begins glassing in the new screen. It will sit back about 2 inches, with a bit more
tilt toward the windshield. It gives me goose bumps thinking about the finished look.

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I'm not even going to bother relocating the parking brake. I though it would look out of place,
but she looks good there; I'll just rotate it down a bit. The gap between the console and waterfall is gone too.

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If anyone wants a turn stalk and wiper stalk, it's yours with shipping. I'm moving my lights and
wipers to the touchscreen/steering wheel buttons. I may have to hire Sean to make me a CF
steering wheel attachment!

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Aircontroller

01-06-2020, 06:24 AM

Man, that carbon fiber looks superbly awesome!

Finally got the new dash pod bolted down. It fits like a glove!

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That's more than I can say for the PSG side piece, which was simply skinned.
I'm not sure why it's not matching the contour any longer, but it couldn't have
grown that much?

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I'm not sure what to do with the center console, most likely a flat CF.

This whole body and interior is coming out again soon. I just wont be happy
unless it's done over from scratch. The video will explain more. :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ddgM6T3Ng

Aircontroller

01-06-2020, 06:31 AM

Yes Sir!

How did you get the epoxy to stay consistent with the curves and contours? That’s a really good job!

Getting somewhere with this interior (finally!). The Carbon Fiber is just beautiful; the vinyl can no longer stay! Over the Winter I'm
hoping to have the doors skinned with CF and the remainder of the console covered with a flat CF.

The gauges are alive, but not yet connected to the sensors. I'll be digging away all week to get a functional video of this thing in action.
Sorry about the blacked out squares, there are just too many eye-sores happening with wires and unfinished interior.

The new pod fits very nicely. It's not screwed down yet, but the contour matches well.
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The Double DIN is roughed-in. I'll need a 90 degree adapter to get more clearance for cable in the rear,
then it will sit flush with the console. The LCD is a live shot, but there's no bezel over the display yet.
I'm trying to find the best method to cut Carbon Fiber straight and clean.
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This is a little photo edit of how it will look with trimmed and finished.

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P.S. This pod and trim plate is for sale (Carbon or Fiberglass). Message me if interested. A proper thread will be posted later this week!

LCD Gauges

01-06-2020, 08:51 AM

Yes Sir!

How did you get the epoxy to stay consistent with the curves and contours? That’s a really good job!

I can't pretend to take a shred of credit for that work. I sent
those out to a local boat guy that does FG and CF for a living.

The mold is made, so if you (or anyone else) wants a carbon or
Fiberglass copy, let me know.

LCD Gauges

01-06-2020, 05:06 PM

A little photo editing to bring it closer to home. So much work to do. :/

Apparently my car is going 160 MPH without a steering wheel, in the garage...with dirty seats...in PARK! Believe it!

P.S. Dave, the buckle was the force of the gear shift/cable! :o

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LCD Gauges

01-07-2020, 12:21 PM

This Rear Diffuser is going to be "fun" to make. Start with cardboard and thin sheets of wood to get the basic shape, then add fiberglass?

What would "GTM Jesus" do (besides watch YouTube how-to videos)?

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Presto51

01-07-2020, 12:45 PM

This is going to be "fun" to make. Start with cardboard and thin sheets of wood to get the basic shape, then add fiberglass?

What would "GTM Jesus" do (besides watch YouTube how-to videos)?

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Tino I'm not understanding what your trying/asking to do - - Is it the wing that your trying to make?

Thanks

Ron

LCD Gauges

01-07-2020, 12:52 PM

Rear diffuser. Just wondering how the pros do this before I break out my scissors and reciprocating saw.

crash

01-07-2020, 01:38 PM

You can watch videos where people use just modeling clay covered with foil and then fiberglass. Then they remove all the clay and are left with a fiberglass panel. You could certainly do this with any kind of support such as wood or cardboard also. Fact is, I have some videos I haven't posted yet where I say that those that want to do fiberglass panels should become wood working craftsmen first because you will basically make a ton of stuff out of wood first. The real issue is if you want a professional finish or just something that "works"? The proper way is to shape what you want from wood, cardboard, whatever. Usually filling in blanks with lots of body filler. I have used 18 gallons of body filler on my revised GTM body so far, along with lots of wood and about a gallon of expanding foam. Once you have the shape exactly as you want then coat the "plug" with a quality primer and paint to make the surface clean and smooth. Once that is done, cover the plug with release agent and make a mold. Plenty of videos on how to do this online. Then make finished parts from the mold. Hand layup will work just fine but if you want a part that is half the weight then infusion is the way to go.

Kinda surprised you haven't done this process already on this project?

This guy has some good videos...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5A7_oPAw9c

LCD Gauges

01-07-2020, 01:51 PM

Kinda surprised you haven't done this process already on this project?

Thanks Mike, I'll check it out.

Body work is something I've always feared. Not because I'm scared to try something new, but more that I want the paint to be
perfect and this was not a project that I wanted to test my skills upon. In fact, our good buddy Ron was invited up here because
I wanted an experienced GTM guy/bodyman to show me the ropes.

Sanding, filling, and shaping - I've learned a great deal.

As for actually making something from scratch, it has never been done on my part (until now). I'll be revamping the console
for the LCD touchscreen, and while I'm doing that I'll attack the diffuser. Let's see where it goes!

Presto51

01-07-2020, 01:53 PM

Okay. Now it comes down to how inexpensive, and labor intensive you want to go

Quick hit one time shot: mock up CAD (carboard aided design) to get the desired shaped. cover it with silver tape, parchment paper whatever so it the fiberglass or carbon won't stick to it, and lay your material down.

If you have deep pockets money is no object you can still CAD make a sturdy model, take it to your guy that did your dash pods. :cool:

Thanks

Ron

LCD Gauges

01-07-2020, 02:19 PM

take it to your guy that did your dash pods. :cool:

That's pretty much a given; I'd like to wrap it in carbon.

I guess I'll buy some wood and get started my CAD design

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

01-08-2020, 09:40 AM

Are you using the stock diffuser and modifying it/adding to it.....or are you planning on making the entire diffuser from scratch?

LCD Gauges

01-08-2020, 09:56 AM

Are you using the stock diffuser and modifying it/adding to it.....or are you planning on making the entire diffuser from scratch?

Have to start fresh because of my little gizmo thingie [oil accumulator] behind the transaxle

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VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

01-08-2020, 12:04 PM

Well, from your photoshop pics above, it looks like you're going for something similar to the stock diffuser, lowered down like the Gen II....so hopefully you can at least use your existing diffuser and cut it up/modify it to create the "base" for moulding your new piece. Yeah.....this is a lengthy and tedious process as to do it right, you will have to fabricate exaclty what you want, then create a mould from that part, then create a part from that mould. Been there many times. I would suggest using urethane pour foam #3 to get an initial shape of something like you have shown in the center of that first photoshop pic. Build your "platform" out of the stock diffuser, pour the foam right on top of it inside a simple box/dam to contain the foam from just spreading out everywhere, then tear away the box from the foam once it sets up and from there you can use a saw and surform cheesegrater to get the shape you're looking for, then sand the foam smooth with sandpaper and then you can paint over the foam with latex paint and then use mould release agent and make your mould. The fiberglass resin will eat the foam almost instantly, so you have to be sure that the foam is 100% covered with latex paint before you attempt to fiberglass over it.

You also have to keep in mind all of your angles to be sure that whatever you're taking a mould of can be removed from the mould and your finished part can be removed from the mould.

beeman

01-08-2020, 01:48 PM

Would your Accusump fit in the huge space behind one of the rear tires on a simple frame/mount?
Or like Shane said, if you modify your current Accusump mounts, you could probably leave it where it is and just angle the diffuser down like the Gen 2, which is better than the Gen 1 for evacuating heat and is probably a more effective diffuser angle (I'm not quite to that point on my build).

LCD Gauges

01-08-2020, 04:06 PM

Would your Accusump fit in the huge space behind one of the rear tires on a simple frame/mount?

No can do. There is some plumbing and a priming valve on the left, gauge on the right. We'll see if I can manage this task; the wood has been
purchased. Let the good times roll.

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Well, from your photoshop pics above, it looks like you're going for something similar to the stock diffuser, lowered down like the Gen II

Yes, I want the air gap like the Gen II. Unfortunately, I gave away the Gen 1 diffuser - didn't like the look, so I'm really making it
difficult on myself!

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

01-08-2020, 05:02 PM

Pretty sure I have an extra Gen II diffuser here if you are interested in it.....the shipping would be the killer....especially to Canada...can't even imagine what that would come to?

LCD Gauges

01-08-2020, 06:12 PM

Pretty sure I have an extra Gen II diffuser here if you are interested in it.....the shipping would be the killer....especially to Canada...can't even imagine what that would come to?

Thank you for the generous offer, but I'm not sure it would fit with the additional mount. I'm going to give this fabrication a try!

jamesfr58

01-09-2020, 11:52 AM

Working with the pourable foam and shaping it is not a bad idea at all and is pretty simple to do..

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

01-09-2020, 12:25 PM

We generally combine plasma-cut pieces of aluminum along with the pour foam. Create a "grid" or rows of CNC cut alum parts that represent the outer surface shape we're after, bond those pieces in place on the part we're building off of/modifying, pour the spaces in between the alum parts full of foam and then sand the foam down to the aluminum to get the final shape. This way you can produce very symmetrical parts for both RH and LH sides of the car...because you're using the same CNC cut alum shape for both sides. Before I had my own CNC plasma table, I did the same thing by drawing the parts out in CAD, printing the CAD parts off on paper, gluing the paper to sheets of thin plywood (underlayment) and cutting the parts out with a bandsaw. Use hot glue to stick the wood parts grid down to a surface and then pour foam between them.

VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC

01-09-2020, 12:28 PM

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Look familiar?

LCD Gauges

01-09-2020, 12:39 PM

beeman

01-09-2020, 02:40 PM

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Look familiar?

Sure does! One of my favorite GTM mods EVER!

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Shoeless

01-09-2020, 08:40 PM

The steering wheel plate I did was a cake walk compared to this discussion :cool:

I’m starting small and hope to work up to a large rear window replacement, similar to a Lambo type design, but one off. All this stuff is way down the road for me, but I love learning new things so I’m enjoying the reading here.

RR46

01-18-2020, 10:22 PM

Curious to see what you can come up with! As discussed in other posts, effectiveness of the diffuser requires it to sit so much lower than the stock position, but it's hard to do and keep the aggressive good looks of the steep angle that the kit comes with.

LCD Gauges

05-27-2020, 04:38 PM

A few updates as the nicer weather is motivating me to get back on the road! The rear diffuser is now being shaped by foam, glue, and a hot knife. It seems this approach will allow better lines and ease of mock up.

As I'm reviewing the car in more detail, I've found even more issues with the cooling system. I have no idea how this thing held together as long
as it did. Some hoses were loose fit without clamps, or incorrect sized clamps were used. The core valve was hanging by one rivet. Cracked heater core hose...a couple ends looked as though the were hacked by a dog's mouth?

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I've also decided to remove the aluminum barrier between the fans and battery area. Definitely a cleaner look. The new fuse box and relays
cleans up well.

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I'm going to attempt relocating the A/C canister to allow better access to the battery. Will be a tough task with such rigid hoses.

The final resting place for the console has been decided. New aluminum panels will be made for each side.
Loving the glass on the dash and removal of turn/wiper stocks. Buttons will be placed on the steering wheel
and touchscreen.
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LCD Gauges

12-17-2020, 01:20 PM

What a crazy world right now. Not much motivation for me to work on the car, and that was already a problem
before this hammer dropped.

Slow moving, but I've added a new master kill switch and some black poly for mounting the electrical components.

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I hope you're all doing well during this difficult time. If anyone's interested, I'm giving away/selling some old parts
that are no longer needed.

Give Away (shipping)
Light controller for 2017 Mustang, or 2017 Ford GT (if you want to sound cool).
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FFR GTM coils, Gen 1
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For Sale (PM for details)
High torque, mini starter for Chev/Pontiac SB
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3 inch, polished aluminum sleeve
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C5 door handles
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More to come later.

LCD Gauges

04-05-2021, 10:05 PM

Happy day after Easter everyone, I hope it was a good one.

Some snails-pace work on my car again. I'm making some paddles for a steering controller to operate
a few items from turn signals, flash to pass/High beam, wiper mist, media center, and even the horn.
Not having a turn stalk, or wiper stalk is nice on the eyes.

After a night of sleeping on buttons, I've decided to go with 2-tone black and white, as
opposed to colour coded.

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The newest skin based on the Lambo SVJ is going to be one of the graphics for the LCD display. I'm also
able to pick off the gear position with 4 limit switches and reverse signal from the transaxle.

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beeman

04-07-2021, 11:55 AM

Great stuff as usual!
Are you able to detect the selected gear on a Porsche g87 gearbox (Cayman S)/shifter? I'm assuming the selected gear is detected by switches on the shifter itself?
I'll disclose that Tino is building me a dash for my Lotus Esprit.

LCD Gauges

04-07-2021, 09:19 PM

Yes, from the shifter or external linkage.

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I find it easier on the G96 to use the linkage if you don't mind running a bit of wire.

LCD Gauges

08-15-2021, 08:55 PM

I hope you're all having a great Summer, and getting more work done than me on your build!

I've managed to squeeze out some 3D printed steering wheel buttons/paddles. It's not a bad look,
but we'll see how it feels after installation. I'm not opposed to replacing the entire steering wheel
with integrated buttons (maybe an OEM wheel?).

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The puller should arrive tomorrow, and with any luck it will pop off with ease. Does anyone have a column with the original
clock spring? I'd like to see how it assembles before purchasing one. The hub on my column doesn't look anything like
the photos I've seen online.

The spindle length also seems shorter?
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LCD Gauges

04-09-2022, 12:33 PM

Back at the console welding, so the interior is out again. The shifter and entire assembly has been lowered to allow for a larger touch screen
to be installed in place of a 2DIN stereo. I'm thinking to weld bar stock (yellow) to secure the mid-section. I'm thinking it will be sturdy enough.
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The steering hub was removed, and I managed to modify a Toyota brand, clock spring to run a harness for the steering wheel buttons. No more turn
stocks for signals, or wipers. It will all be controlled with buttons, and the touchscreen. If anyone needs the parts for their build, let me know!
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