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VAHokie
10-21-2019, 07:05 PM
Looks great, Dave. Congrats!
ydousurf
10-21-2019, 07:38 PM
Dave, I will no doubt try and get down that way soon! It would be awesome to meet up with both you and GTBradley sometime. I'm actually going to be traveling this coming week for the next 10 days or I would for sure make the trip down! Can I possibly get a rain, er, snow check? HAH! That's a little bit of humor living in Colorado :) But yes, I would love to come down and meet you and just take in your beautiful car and any feedback you could give me personally.
I mean, I've wanted to the post the question: If you could do a few things over, what advice would you give to someone that would help steer (pun intended ;) them in the right direction. I'm going with a 351w (427ci) but I'm hoping I"m not making a mistake by not going with the coyote? In the end, I want to actually drive my care everywhere and all the time, minus weather. I'm building this car to drive it, not to leave it in my garage. When I think of long drives, I like your idea with the headphone communication option and I'm planning to look into a set of those as well. You'll have to give me your opinion on them once you give them a go. Anyway, I just hope that the 427 is the right choice for me? My heart says go with the 427 and so that's what I'm doing. Anyway, that's only the beginning of my long list of "what if's" regarding my choices that I'm making.
Again, thank you for the invite and I will for surely take you up on that offer, even if to just see it in the garage on a snowy day! Enjoy your ride and savor in all the success of all the hard work you've put in these past years. Again, beautiful work from you and Jeff as well!
Dj
Dj,
So, what would I have done differently? I think the biggest thing would be the treatment applied to the aluminum panels. I would definitely have powder coated them instead of the rattle can bedliner spray I used. Next, I would have done the drop trunk mod. If money hadn't been a driving force when I started, and with the cost of components now compared to two years ago, I would have done the IRS vs. 3- link rear. On my engine choice, I'm really torn. I love the look of the 347, and once I get the EFI set up correctly, it should be very reliable and driveable. But, the reliability and drivability of the Coyote are very tempting for a regularly driven street car. I'm not sure I'd do anything differently yet, but I'm also a little frustrated with how my car is running right now. The good news is, there are certainly fixes that will get me past my current issues. The last thing I would have done differently would have been getting on Jeff Kleiner's waiting list much sooner. Besides deciding to build my car instead of just buying one, having Jeff do the body and paint was one of the best decisions I made.
Dave
Jeff is done with my car!
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116381&d=1571616823
Are those the 17" rims currently on your car?
Gizmosrcool
10-22-2019, 08:22 AM
My favorite color combo. Beautiful car!
Are those the 17" rims currently on your car?
Yes. I'll be putting my new 18" wheels on this weekend and the 17's will be offered for sale.
The car was loaded onto the transporter this morning and should be in my garage before the snow hits tomorrow evening.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116511&d=1571751714
ydousurf
10-22-2019, 06:28 PM
Hey Dave,
Thanks for the feedback and honesty on those questions. I can fully understand the "budget" element and how it can control and direct what a person buys -vs- what someone can only dream about. I had the same with the budgeting for this kit. I was actually planning on buying complete kit in 2020, and I would've still had a chunk of change for the engine, trans, would get the tires later. As for the paint it will no doubt have to wait, since I plan to drive in gelcoat for a year (seems like the normal recommendation) which will work for me budget wise too. However, I decided to take all those dollars and put it all down on this 25th Edition. Not sure that was wise decision or not? Either way, I was planning on waiting to get the motor/tranny for one year or so. I may have to push that out a bit, but I'm okay with that too. I didn't want a brand new motor just sitting around in my garage collecting dust and not being fired up sooner and rather much later type of deal. I think my plan will work out just fine, since I am really focused on the build. So many of you say that's the best part and only to miss it once they are done. I plan to meticulously work my way through, documenting and detailing as best as I can and just truly savor each step as I go.
As for the dropped trunk, I do plan to get that and a couple other things from various vendors out here on this site. I want to show them some love and help contribute to buying their products. But since this was FFR's Anniversary Model, I've changed the way I'll do this build. Instead, I'm now planning to stay as true to all the parts that come with the kit, where as if I would've just got a complete kit, I was going to go nuts with the extra vendor stuff. As for the painting advice, I just hope either "Jeff or Jeff" are still throwing down the color when I get to painting mine. I will no doubt go with someone who specializes in the Roadsters. And I'll heed that advice and contact them here in the future to discuss my ideas and eventually get in the queue as well.
Anyway, I"m planning go back and read through your entire build. So... You may see more likes and reply's popup here in there. Dave, I think you did great! Car looks so awesome and you should be very proud of yourself. Again, it's an incredible and beautiful car --- OUTSTANDING JOB! I really love that blue!!! Enjoy getting it back and working out any of the small issues and getting it dialing in. I'm sure you'll have it running smooth and loud! Oh, and I can't wait to meet you and see it in person someday. I hope we can get together soon. Thanks again, Dave. Enjoy the drive...
Dj
Thanks, DJ. I'm looking forward to following your build. Just PM me any time you want to come down and check out the car or just chat about the build process.
Dave
delta0014
10-22-2019, 07:19 PM
Car looks great
cv2065
10-22-2019, 07:30 PM
End of the road Dave....now watcha gonna do...? ;)
End of the road Dave....now watcha gonna do...? ;)
I'm going to get it legal and drive the wheels off of it!
GoDadGo
10-22-2019, 07:56 PM
I'm going to get it legal and drive the wheels off of it!
Definitely Wonderful Words of Wisdom From Papa Dave!
The car arrived home today!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRAx5KQIgFk
Higgybulin
10-23-2019, 03:59 PM
You lucky dog!!!! Have fun!
Higgy
cv2065
10-23-2019, 04:59 PM
"Do you want it or do you want me to put it down there"....."I'll get it"...LOL
Cruzzz
10-23-2019, 07:55 PM
Looks and sounds great! Hope you get a few days to enjoy it before the weather totally turns on us.
By the way, who hauled it for you? I will probably need to trailer mine to Jeff this Winter.
GTBradley
10-23-2019, 08:41 PM
And just in the nick of time, it’s snowing like crazy around here.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116599&d=1571881735
Luckily Saturday is going to be nice. I hope you’re ready to take some pictures.
Looks and sounds great! Hope you get a few days to enjoy it before the weather totally turns on us.
Bye the way, who hauled it for you? I will probably need to trailer mine to Jeff this Winter.
The car was delivered just after noon and the snow started at around 3:30pm. I'll PM you with the transporter's contact info.
Dave
And just in the nick of time, it’s snowing like crazy around here.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116599&d=1571881735
Luckily Saturday is going to be nice. I hope you’re ready to take some pictures.
I'll be ready!
GoDadGo
10-24-2019, 02:31 PM
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116599&d=1571881735
Is that what snow looks like?
What, you can't remember from last year when you got snow in the swamp?
GoDadGo
10-24-2019, 03:55 PM
What, you can't remember from last year when you got snow in the swamp?
I tried to block it from my mind.
WIS89
10-24-2019, 04:23 PM
Dave-
Have you been able to do much since she got home, or have you been busy with snow chores, and other things?
I saw the video of the unloading, but I was hoping to see some more pics of how she looks now. I understand if you want to keep us in suspense until a graduation post, but...
You must be stoked that she's home!
Regards,
Steve
Dave-
Have you been able to do much since she got home, or have you been busy with snow chores, and other things?
I saw the video of the unloading, but I was hoping to see some more pics of how she looks now. I understand if you want to keep us in suspense until a graduation post, but...
You must be stoked that she's home!
Regards,
Steve
Steve,
I won't be able to do anything until this weekend. The transporter took a dirt road that coated the car with dust. I'll want to get it cleaned up before showing any pictures.
Wait for it ... :p
GTBradley
10-25-2019, 11:06 AM
Is that what snow looks like?
That's what sideways snow looks like, or more accurately what the world looks like if you drive a Cobra in it!
After a grueling week at work, I sat down and put together a final punch list to get started on tomorrow. My list includes several small items like installing my Cobra Herbs door cards, carpet pieces on the door sills, door limit straps, seatbelts, wind wings, mirrors, etc. The weather should be cooperative tomorrow, so I'm looking forward to a day in the shop.
We had beautiful weather today and I was able to spend a good part of it out in the shop. First order of business was to get the car cleaned and then I drilled the holes for the rear legs of the roll bars and bolted them in. I waited to do this until after the roll bars were installed for the final time. I have the Tangent hidden roll bar setup that I was lucky enough to have purchased before they closed up shop. Next, the door cards were installed using the hook & loop provided with them from Herb.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116724&d=1572137072
Next I swapped out the wheels with the new 18" Halibrands. Man they look good! They definitely fill out the rear wheel wells better than the 17s.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116725&d=1572137082
Here are couple of shots out in the sun.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116726&d=1572137096
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116727&d=1572137106
And finally, I attached my fender emblems, wind wings, and my Terry's Mirrors side mirrors. The mirrors are awesome!
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116728&d=1572137117
I also got a visit from GTBradley and got to see his beautiful car, complete with VIN plate and a Colorado temp tag. I have a ton more little stuff to do, but it sure felt good to be working on the car again.
Aircontroller
10-26-2019, 07:58 PM
Incredible! Jaw dropping!:eek:
We had beautiful weather today and I was able to spend a good part of it out in the shop. First order of business was to get the car cleaned and then I drilled the holes for the rear legs of the roll bars and bolted them in. I waited to do this until after the roll bars were installed for the final time. I have the Tangent hidden roll bar setup that I was lucky enough to have purchased before they closed up shop. Next, the door cards were installed using the hook & loop provided with them from Herb.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116724&d=1572137072
Next I swapped out the wheels with the new 18" Halibrands. Man they look good! They definitely fill out the rear wheel wells better than the 17s.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116725&d=1572137082
Here are couple of shots out in the sun.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116726&d=1572137096
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116727&d=1572137106
And finally, I attached my fender emblems, wind wings, and my Terry's Mirrors side mirrors. The mirrors are awesome!
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=116728&d=1572137117
I also got a visit from GTBradley and got to see his beautiful car, complete with VIN plate and a Colorado temp tag. I have a ton more little stuff to do, but it sure felt good to be working on the car again.
If you haven't already installed your door straps, and haven't done anything to darken the color of the leather, try "vinagaroon". It's vinegar and a piece of steel wool, allowed to rust. Brush it on the leather, and it will darken the leather, but leave the stiching white when you rinse, and it won't transfer color onto any surface.
By the way, I knew i wouldn't be disappointed once you got it home. The car is stunning!
Jeff Kleiner
10-27-2019, 05:42 AM
Totally different look with the 18s :cool:
Jeff
If you haven't already installed your door straps, and haven't done anything to darken the color of the leather, try "vinagaroon". It's vinegar and a piece of steel wool, allowed to rust. Brush it on the leather, and it will darken the leather, but leave the stiching white when you rinse, and it won't transfer color onto any surface.
By the way, I knew i wouldn't be disappointed once you got it home. The car is stunning!
Rick,
I dyed the door straps and the seatbelt buckle pads black, but I've seen the treatment you are describing and it looks nice as well.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=99057&d=1544919003
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=99056&d=1544918992
Dave
Totally different look with the 18s :cool:
Jeff
I'm really happy with the look!
GoDadGo
10-27-2019, 07:41 AM
I'm really happy with the look!
As You Should Be Papa Dave!
The Car Is Truly Magnificent!
Aircontroller
10-30-2019, 06:57 AM
Howdy Papa,
Just posting this in case anyone would need this after reading your build thread.
https://watsons-streetworks.com/product/billet-face-plates-for-our-larger-l75-22-series-switches/
Today I'll be working on the SDC Self-Cancelling turn signal module. My switches arrived from Australia and I plan to mount them in a piece of aluminum trim. I drilled holes into a 1/8" thick piece of aluminum bar stock and then used another piece of the same bar stock to create the marks that I'll trim the aluminum down to. Once the plate is shaped, I plan to create either a brushed look or polished finish on the aluminum and will treat it with clear powder coat.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101276&d=1548519638
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101277&d=1548519646
Here are a couple of pictures of what looks like an assembled car!
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101274&d=1548519502
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101275&d=1548519512
We're getting closer to paint and I've settled on Indigo Ink Pearl for the body color. I'm toying with the idea of a ghost stripe. Jeff is going to put some sample spray outs together for me, but I'm thinking a slightly "silvered up" version of the Indigo Ink Pearl for the stripes.
Howdy Papa,
Just posting this in case anyone would need this after reading your build thread.
https://watsons-streetworks.com/product/billet-face-plates-for-our-larger-l75-22-series-switches/
Nice find! Watson's makes some pretty nice stuff. Looks like they also offer a full switch and plate kit. Those switches are quite a bit larger than the ones I ended up using. I wonder if the depth would accommodate the padded dash thickness that my smaller switches didn't.
https://watsons-streetworks.com/product/l75-series-switch-kits/
Aircontroller
10-30-2019, 07:50 AM
Nice!:cool:
Aircontroller
10-30-2019, 07:56 AM
Hey Papa,
Maybe next time you build, you incorporate the lighted cup holders. Lol!
https://watsons-streetworks.com/product/illuminated-stainless-steel-large-cup-holders/
Nice find! Watson's makes some pretty nice stuff. Looks like they also offer a full switch and plate kit. Those switches are quite a bit larger than the ones I ended up using. I wonder if the depth would accommodate the padded dash thickness that my smaller switches didn't.
https://watsons-streetworks.com/product/l75-series-switch-kits/
Hey Papa,
Maybe next time you build, you incorporate the lighted cup holders. Lol!
https://watsons-streetworks.com/product/illuminated-stainless-steel-large-cup-holders/
Uhhh - NO! :p
Aircontroller
10-30-2019, 07:29 PM
Lol!:cool:
Uhhh - NO! :p
h3towel
10-31-2019, 11:42 AM
I ordered my kit on the 21st of this month and am chomping at the bit to get it in so I can start working on it. Looking at your progress pictures, makes the wait even worse!!
I ordered my kit on the 21st of this month and am chomping at the bit to get it in so I can start working on it. Looking at your progress pictures, makes the wait even worse!!
https://youtu.be/0IobpIKshr8
Today I continued working through my punch list. I got the door limiter straps installed. I tapped the holes on the 2" square tube and used stainless #10-24 screws to secure the strap hardware. Next, I spet some time going over the car with the Wizards glaze that Jeff sent home with the car. This paint is deep!
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117052&d=1572742838
I love the way the light plays off the color.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117053&d=1572742848
Next up -- clear spats.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117054&d=1572742859
And for the majority of the day, I spent time getting the driver's side seatbelts installed.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117055&d=1572742872
Let's just say I'm not looking forward to doing the passenger side. :rolleyes:
It's coming together and really looks like a car now. I have an appointment with an appraiser next Friday to get a value for my insurance company.
Higgybulin
11-03-2019, 07:37 AM
It's coming together and really looks like a car now. I have an appointment with an appraiser next Friday to get a value for my insurance company.
I'll save you some time...PRICELESS!!
Higgy
I'll save you some time...PRICELESS!!
Higgy
I thought you were going to give me some secret way to quickly install the Simpsons. :p
I had an appointment with an appraiser today, so I took the day off to meet with him. He seemed pretty impressed with the car and indicated I would have no problem getting a valuation for my agreed value insurance policy that exceeds my total build cost. That was reassuring and I should have the report in a few days.
After the appraiser left, I got a couple more of my punch list items taken care of. I put the brake duct screen in and worked on an electrical gremlin in the tail lights that took quite a bit of time to resolve. For some reason, I couldn't get a proper Weatherpack connection and kept getting intermittent or shorted connections. At the end of the day, everything is working properly again.
I started on the door sill carpet and I'm not very pleased with the results so far. I think I'm going to look into fabricating some aluminum door sills that I can powder coat black or find an upholstery shop that can make something that looks better.
Hopefully, I'll be able to get the car up on the lift tomorrow and get the side pipe hangers installed.
Just curious to see how others did it - how did you secure your brake duct screen? I went this route:
117282
117283
Your car is looking good by the way....
Edit: Sorry the pictures posted 90 degrees off.
Just curious to see how others did it - how did you secure your brake duct screen? I went this route:
117282
117283
Your car is looking good by the way....
Edit: Sorry the pictures posted 90 degrees off.
Well, I like how you did yours, but I went low tech and just siliconed my screens in.
Another beautiful day in Colorado with the temp approaching 70 degrees. I got the car up on the lift today and installed the Gas-N side pipe hangers. Earlier in the day, I jacked up the driver's side of the car and quickly had a puddle of gas forming on the passenger side. I'd put a 5-gallon can in earlier. I lowered the car and sure enough, it's leaking out of the tank at the filler tube. I'd ordered the Ford gasket/seal a while ago, thankfully, and went ahead and replaced it.
Here's what the original looked like:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117315&d=1573349878
I still need to do the passenger side seat belts and door sill carpet. Then I'll get the top on it and make sure everything still lines up and fits.
mad_dr
11-09-2019, 11:40 PM
It’s funny; almost 2 years since you posted your first start-up video and, having read through the whole thread (and made some notes along the way for my own future project), I’m grinning from ear to ear to see it roar into life! Thanks for sharing your journey so far! Andy
Cruzzz
11-09-2019, 11:57 PM
Papa - What is this alternate filler gasket you speak of? Sounds like I might need to consider swapping the original one out while I’m still building. Thanks! : )
It’s funny; almost 2 years since you posted your first start-up video and, having read through the whole thread (and made some notes along the way for my own future project), I’m grinning from ear to ear to see it roar into life! Thanks for sharing your journey so far! Andy
I appreciate the comments and you're welcome. I started this thread to show how a guy with very minimal mechanical experience could build one of these and enjoy the process along the way. The many generous builders on this forum that helped me through the sticky spots are the number one reason that it's possible. The second is the quality of the FFR kit and the engineering that FFR has put into the design, fabrication, and assembly of the parts that come with the kit.
Dave
Papa - What is this alternate filler gasket you speak of? Sounds like I might need to consider swapping the original one out while I’m still building. Thanks! : )
F4ZZ9072DA Fuel Tank Filler Neck Grommet Seal/Gasket -- I got mine form Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Q6QO7C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
KDubU
11-10-2019, 06:43 AM
You’re almost there! Good luck with the second belt, I hated having to install those sad well and maybe I was doing it wrong but getting into the trunk and getting them attached right really pushed my patience.
I'm definitely on the home stretch now! Today I got the passenger side seatbelts installed. While I had the seat out, I tackled another nagging item on my to-do list. When I first installed the e-brake boot, I pretty much destroyed it trying to get the screws installed. I'd ordered a replacement from FFR and today I followed my plan B and installed snaps on the cover; much better results and easy to remove if I ever need to.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117369&d=1573424539
GTBradley
11-12-2019, 10:36 AM
Where is your temp tag post? The Mile Hi Cobra Club is going to the Shelby American Museum in Boulder, then lunch and then the Ford versus Ferrari movie on Saturday. You gotta be there! Evan and I are going in the Cobra, no matter the temperature!
Where is your temp tag post? The Mile Hi Cobra Club is going to the Shelby American Museum in Boulder, then lunch and then the Ford versus Ferrari movie on Saturday. You gotta be there! Evan and I are going in the Cobra, no matter the temperature!
That's not happening any time soon. My work schedule is killing me right now and taking time off to run back and forth to the DMV isn't in the picture. I'll try to get the VIN process started over the two-week holiday break I'm taking, weather permitting.
GTBradley
11-12-2019, 11:33 AM
I figured as much. Anyway, what made the gas tank gasket fail? Should I be watching for this?
I figured as much. Anyway, what made the gas tank gasket fail? Should I be watching for this?
I think mine failed as a result of movement of the filler tube during the build as well as the quality of the rubber. The one provided with the kit seemed to become brittle. When I got the car back from paint, it smelled like gas sitting in the garage. I chocked it up to the EFI operating rich. It wasn't until I added more gas in the tank and jacked the car on one side that it revealed the failed seal visually as a puddle of gas on the floor.
Today I finished installing the passenger-side seatbelts, installed the hardware for the top (two post mounts just behind the doors), floor mats, and the hood and trunk emblems. For the hood emblems, I removed the posts and applied a dab of clear silicone and stuck the front 11.5" from the front edge of the nose (**********'s recommendation).
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117649&d=1573948429
I just eyeballed the rear and stuck it where I felt it looked right. Just one part left to install that I'm waiting on and it'll be done (enough) to start the Colorado VIN process. I still have work to do on the door sills -- more to come on that once I have all the parts and see if what I have in my head will work.
Another milestone achieved today was hitting 250,000 views on my build thread!
Aircontroller
11-16-2019, 08:03 PM
Not surprising. Excellent documentation and tremendous looking project!:cool:
Today I finished installing the passenger-side seatbelts, installed the hardware for the top (two post mounts just behind the doors), floor mats, and the hood and trunk emblems. For the hood emblems, I removed the posts and applied a dab of clear silicone and stuck the front 11.5" from the front edge of the nose (**********'s recommendation).
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117649&d=1573948429
I just eyeballed the rear and stuck it where I felt it looked right. Just one part left to install that I'm waiting on and it'll be done (enough) to start the Colorado VIN process. I still have work to do on the door sills -- more to come on that once I have all the parts and see if what I have in my head will work.
Another milestone achieved today was hitting 250,000 views on my build thread!
Higgybulin
11-16-2019, 08:20 PM
Congrats on the 1/4 MIL views Dave, great thread from start to finish!! You have the car to prove it!
Higgy
cv2065
11-16-2019, 09:21 PM
Man that paint job is incredible. I think I can see the size of the bulbs printed on your overhead lights...:)
ydousurf
11-16-2019, 11:15 PM
Congrats Dave on reaching that milestone! Now, go put that many on the car ;) And I'm sure I'll add couple hundred more to the count before I'm through...
Dj
Pat427
11-18-2019, 12:46 AM
Congrats on the 250K views. Although, you should probably know that at least 100K of those views were probably me.
I received the rearview mirror I ordered a couple of weeks ago and attached it to the windshield today using the recommended adhesive.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117945&d=1574542655
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117943&d=1574542636
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117946&d=1574542668
I was too busy with the holiday and family over the weekend to get the last part of my build wrapped up, but I did get the CoverCraft cover on the car.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=118377&d=1575294104
Excellent quality product!
I had my car appraised for my agreed value insurance policy by a reputable appraiser. He scored the car a full 100 points! My insurance company accepted his valuation and the car is now fully insured (agreed value). Now I just need to get a VIN and register the car to be legal.
FF33rod
12-02-2019, 09:19 AM
Looking fantastic Dave! Which rear view mirror and mount is that?
Steve
Looking fantastic Dave! Which rear view mirror and mount is that?
Steve
Thanks! The mirror is from these guys: https://www.smoothparts.com/products_mirrors.php
I ordered the 1-1/4" glue-on version.
Snake_Mojo
12-04-2019, 02:14 PM
As a newbie, this is my first post to the Factory Five Forum. I just wanted to let Papa (Dave) know that I think his build thread is outstanding. The amount of content appears to be just right. There is sufficient questions and answers being posed by both Papa and readers to ensure discussion is productive. You were also very patient when it came to taking time to insure you were doing things right before proceeding.
I've noticed that several of the builders of Factory Five Cars have gone onto build one or more additional cars after their initial build. I would imagine that in each of their successive builds they end up making some process improvements that results in a nicer finished product. I was wondering is you would consider putting together a short lessons learned summary that would illustrate what you would do different if you were going to build another car.
Thanks Again for sharing your build.
Snake_ Mojo
(Craig from Morrison, CO)
Craig,
That's a great idea about describing what I would do differently and why as a wrap up to this thread. We're practically neighbors, so just let me know if would like to come by sometime and chat with the car right in front of us.
By the way, I work right down the road from Morrison in Waterton Canyon.
Dave
Snake_Mojo
12-05-2019, 12:36 AM
Dave,
I also worked on two separate occasions in Waterton Canyon from 1984 to 1998, then went to work for a sub-contractor located in Centennial. I primarily worked on the electronics side and was a Quality Engineer. Not sure that our paths ever crossed. I would like to see your car in person, but I can wait until it warms up in the spring or summer. If you are going to be at a car show let me know via an email and I will see if I can make it by.
Craig
I finished the door sills today. The carpet pieces that come with the kit are really goofy to work with, so I bought some matching black carpet and redid them so that they fit better. I also didn't like the way the corner looked with two cut edges being on a likely high-traffic area. To address this, I made some edge guards out of aluminum 1/2 x 3/4 angle stock and bent and installed with rivets. Right now, based on my better half's recommendation, they are bare aluminum with a simple brushed finish created with a Scotch-Brite pad.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=118610&d=1575759042
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=118609&d=1575759026
At this point, the car is basically finished! I still need to set the final ride height and get the front end aligned. I also want to have a Holley expert tune the car's EFI to get it dialed in better, although it is running pretty smoothly right now; just a little on the rich side still.
I also had the privilege of meeting another forum member and his father today, who came by to check out the car and chat about the build process.
GoDadGo
12-07-2019, 06:23 PM
Very Cool Papa Dave!
Okay, I’m declaring my build complete! My parts shelves are empty and the seemingly endless stream of boxes from Breeze, Mike Everson, Boig Motorsports, Gas-N, and lots of other places to spend money on these cars has stopped...mostly. :cool:
As a recommendation from a reader of this build thread, I’ll share my thoughts on what I’d do differently if I were to build another one of these.
First, I would have saved up a little more money and done the IRS vs. 3-link. There isn’t anything wrong with the 3-link, but the IRS is just so cool looking. I’m sure it also would provide a smoother ride and is more desirable from a resale perspective.
I would have done powder coating on all the aluminum panels rather than the rattle can bed liner I used. A smoother, more durable finish for not a lot of extra money.
I probably would have done the engine compartment battery mount from Breeze vs. the FFMetal under the trunk floor location. With the car assembled, it looks like it may be interesting to get the battery out when the time comes. I know it will come out, but not fun to do so.
I would have done the drop trunk mod. It’s really small in the trunk, so nothing with any height will fit.
I would have done the Russ Thompson turn signal setup. I eventually installed self-cancelling turn signals in my car, but it’s not the same as a stalk on the column.
I would have ordered the 18” wheels when I ordered the kit instead of the 17” and then buying the 18” wheels later.
The general theme is that if you think you want it and are trying to convince yourself that you can do without, get it! You’ll be much happier in the end.
Last, but certainly not least, I want to thank everyone that helped me along the way or provided needed words of encouragement to get me to this point. There are simply too many to list, but you know who you are. This forum has been the single most valuable tool in my build's tool box. For those that are new to the forum and find it as useful as I do, please consider becoming a supporting member. You can PM David Hodgkins for more information.
Dave
Aircontroller
12-07-2019, 07:53 PM
Thank you Dave for your recommendations....and congrats!
cv2065
12-07-2019, 08:59 PM
You're at the end Dave. I hope you enjoy the ride and thanks for the help and inspiration along the way. I've referenced your thread more times than I can count. One last question....Where'd ya get the clear spatz...:)
Congratulations, and thank you for taking us along on your journey via your build thread. You have a beautiful car to be proud of. Well done!
shark92651
12-08-2019, 10:09 AM
Congratulations, it looks awesome!
Boydster
12-08-2019, 10:52 AM
Congrats Dave. Too bad we finished our builds at the wrong time of year. ;)
I like your list of Things To Do Differently. I also should have done the Russ Thompson turn signal, but really thought I'd want the removable steering wheel. Now that I've had a bit of practice, the wheel doesnt come off anymore. And considering that I did everything else exactly how I wanted, I too would go IRS on the next build.
Anyways, nice job building and finishing.
Congrats Dave. Too bad we finished our builds at the wrong time of year. ;)
I like your list of Things To Do Differently. I also should have done the Russ Thompson turn signal, but really thought I'd want the removable steering wheel. Now that I've had a bit of practice, the wheel doesnt come off anymore. And considering that I did everything else exactly how I wanted, I too would go IRS on the next build.
Anyways, nice job building and finishing.
Thanks, Boyd. I'll be trying to thread the needle between the winter storms to get my VIN and get the car registered in time for next year's driving season.
Dave
GTBradley
12-08-2019, 02:04 PM
Congrats Dave, you really have a high-end roadster there! Cant wait to see it on the road.
I’m interested in those clear spats too, did you go to the clear bra place to have them installed or is that something you did yourself? Also, you said you would have saved some money by doing IRS, is that the case or is that a typo? I thought it was the other way around.
KDubU
12-08-2019, 02:14 PM
Congrats Dave! She’s a beauty.
Congrats Dave, you really have a high-end roadster there! Cant wait to see it on the road.
I’m interested in those clear spats too, did you go to the clear bra place to have them installed or is that something you did yourself? Also, you said you would have saved some money by doing IRS, is that the case or is that a typo? I thought it was the other way around.
Thanks, Bradley. What I intended to say was that I'd have saved up a little more money and done IRS. At the time I ordered my kit, there was about a $2,500 difference in price. In the long run, that's really not too much. I think to do it now would be even less of a price difference since there are so many rear clips available in the salvage market.
Dave
GTBradley
12-08-2019, 08:13 PM
Ah, got it. Well, I’m still saving up for a top. I’d have it already if it weren’t for the IRS expense. I may even go with the old style just to save money.
PeteMeindl
12-08-2019, 10:01 PM
Wooohooo! Congrats, Dave! What a beautiful car and thank you for all you've done to help out the rest of us builders (including us)!
Wooohooo! Congrats, Dave! What a beautiful car and thank you for all you've done to help out the rest of us builders (including us)!
Thanks, Pete.
Dave
Yama-Bro
12-09-2019, 08:32 AM
Congrats Dave! Outstanding work!
Congrats Dave! Outstanding work!
Thanks, Frank. Keep up the great work on your build. I'm enjoying following your build thread.
Dave
I created a video slideshow of my build that I think you guys may like.
https://youtu.be/ABGz0KN8XOA
PeteMeindl
12-13-2019, 08:17 PM
I created a video slideshow of my build that I think you guys may like.
https://youtu.be/ABGz0KN8XOA
I love it! :) Great job, Dave
Jeff Kleiner
12-14-2019, 06:54 AM
Nice montage Dave! I recognize a few of those images :)
Jeff
wallace18
12-14-2019, 07:23 AM
Very cool video! Super nice car too!:cool:
Nice montage Dave! I recognize a few of those images :)
Jeff
Very cool video! Super nice car too!:cool:
Awesome Video!
Thanks, guys. It was fun putting it together.
Dave
Nice montage Dave! I recognize a few of those images :)
Jeff
I thought you might. Thanks for sending progress pictures to complete the story. I know they all look the same to you. :p
Dave
cv2065
12-14-2019, 03:14 PM
Great video Dave. Enjoyed the theme song as well.
Awesome slideshow Dave! As I've said before, the car came out fantastic.
Great video Dave. Enjoyed the theme song as well.
Awesome slideshow Dave! As I've said before, the car came out fantastic.
Thanks, guys!
I made an appointment with the Colrado State Patrol office in Castle Rock to get my VIN inspection and application process going. Now let's just hope the weather cooperates. The earliest available appointment I was able to schedule is December 31. It could be 50 degrees or -15 degrees. Wish me luck.
Dave
GoDadGo
12-17-2019, 10:11 AM
It could be 50 degrees or -15 degrees.
Darn; 50 Degrees Is Cold By NOLA Weather Standards!
-15 If Flipping North Pole Cold Placing You In Rudolph The Red Nosed ReindeerTerritory!
Stay Warm Papa Dave While We Will Wear The Cargo Shorts @ Christmas For You Guys!
I'll have about an 18,500 BTU heat source sitting almost in my lap. ;)
Big Blocker
12-17-2019, 08:04 PM
Dave,
Been following along on your journey since your first post . . . you have done an exceptional job, paid extreme attention to detail and have raised the bar to quite a few new builders that are searching for guidance in their adventure. You are Da Man!
And your car shows all that, a build to be very, very proud of.
Congratulations on a job well done.
Doc
TMartinLVNV
12-17-2019, 08:23 PM
I created a video slideshow of my build that I think you guys may like.
https://youtu.be/ABGz0KN8XOA
Dave, I loved this video too. Great idea. I have used quite a few of your tips and tricks that you have posted to assist me with my build. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and congrats on the fantastic build.
Terry
Dave,
Been following along on your journey since your first post . . . you have done an exceptional job, paid extreme attention to detail and have raised the bar to quite a few new builders that are searching for guidance in their adventure. You are Da Man!
And your car shows all that, a build to be very, very proud of.
Congratulations on a job well done.
Doc
Doc,
Thank you for all the help when I was struggling through the electrical. I think I may actually understand how to use relays now!
Dave
Dave, I loved this video too. Great idea. I have used quite a few of your tips and tricks that you have posted to assist me with my build. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and congrats on the fantastic build.
Terry
Thanks, Terry. It's always nice to hear that my build has helped someone with theirs.
Dave
GTBradley
12-17-2019, 11:04 PM
I made an appointment with the Colrado State Patrol office in Castle Rock to get my VIN inspection and application process going. Now let's just hope the weather cooperates. The earliest available appointment I was able to schedule is December 31. It could be 50 degrees or -15 degrees. Wish me luck.
Dave
Luck!
Jeff Kleiner
12-18-2019, 06:04 AM
Here's hoping that both the weather and inspector are cooperative Dave!
Jeff
I contacted my county's vehicle registration office about getting a temp tag to allow me to drive the car to the CSP inspection. I was pleased to hear that they will issue me a ten day temp tag by simply showing them proof of insurance. So, I plan to go take care of that next Monday. Looking at the long range weather forecast, it's looking good for my inspection date on the 31st.
ydousurf
12-19-2019, 12:57 PM
A great way to celebrate bringing in the year! Safe roads ahead...
Dj
A great way to celebrate bringing in the year! Safe roads ahead...
Dj
It will be two years to the day from my first start.
It was 65 degrees in the Denver area today and I was stuck tinkering in the garage. I ordered a set of aluminum spats from VeryCoolParts.com and they arrived yesterday. Today I test fit them to my car and after very minor adjustments, I spent a couple of hours polishing them. Once they had the shine I wanted, I cleaned the back side and the car with alcohol wipes and applied 3M 03614 Scotch-Mount 1/2 Molding Tape to the spats and then pressed them into place on the car. Once I was satisfied they were set, I wiped the bare aluminum down with Shark Hide. I'm very happy with the result.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119304&d=1576971551
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119305&d=1576971558
I may take the other set of clear ones I bought and trim them to fit over the aluminum.
Jeff Kleiner
12-22-2019, 07:13 AM
That looks really nice Dave!
Jeff
That looks really nice Dave!
Jeff
Thanks, Jeff. The crud they put down on our roads when it snows was going to shred the bottom of the quarters. Even the clear spats were getting chewed up after just a couple of loops around the block.
Dave
Straversi
12-22-2019, 10:29 AM
Nice. I ordered a set too but haven’t had time to take them out of the box. Thanks for the inspiration.
-Steve
Another warm winter day in Colorado and another day in the shop rather than on the road. Today I tackled the floor mat anchors. Using the same approach that GTBradley showed in his thread and the very same anchors, I made the holes in the mats and installed the mat part of the anchors. Then I located the mat where I wanted it and pushed the carper portion of the anchors in and attached the mat to them with a twist of the "lock" on each anchor.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119328&d=1577054274
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119329&d=1577054282
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119330&d=1577054290
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119331&d=1577054295
Now on to the next task ...
After getting the mats installed with the new anchors, I installed my top. Not a quick job by any means, but it fits perfectly and I love the look.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119332&d=1577054304
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119333&d=1577054311
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119334&d=1577054321
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119335&d=1577054329
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119336&d=1577054336
Tomorrow morning I'm going to get a temp tag and if the weather is as nice as it has been, I'll get the car on the road for the very first time.
ydousurf
12-22-2019, 06:53 PM
Dave, the car looks absolutely spectacular! I dig the final touches that you've added, just takes it to a higher level and just completes and compliments the entire build. I know I plan on getting a soft top as well. Hopefully this coming week, I'll finalize my delivery date for January. I still plan to come down sometime and visit with you and of course, see the masterpiece you've built. However, I'll wait til the holidays are behind us to bug ya, since it can be a busy time for all of us right now. I'm out here on your build thread a bunch, I'm sure you see my name :P I was just recently checking your tranny tunnel/cover part. So... Thanks for documenting and explaining things all along the way too. Anyway, the car looks absolutely gorgeous! Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Dj
Dave, the car looks absolutely spectacular! I dig the final touches that you've added, just takes it to a higher level and just completes and compliments the entire build. I know I plan on getting a soft top as well. Hopefully this coming week, I'll finalize my delivery date for January. I still plan to come down sometime and visit with you and of course, see the masterpiece you've built. However, I'll wait til the holidays are behind us to bug ya, since it can be a busy time for all of us right now. I'm out here on your build thread a bunch, I'm sure you see my name :P I was just recently checking your tranny tunnel/cover part. So... Thanks for documenting and explaining things all along the way too. Anyway, the car looks absolutely gorgeous! Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Dj
Thanks, Dj. Any time you want to come down, just PM me and we can arrange a good time. I hope you get your car soon and can get started on this amazing journey.
Dave
I got a temp tag this morning and promptly took the car out on the open road for the very first time. I put about 45 miles on it in varying driving conditions and the car feels really good. Steering is responsive, braking is good, temps and pressures all at nominal levels. As soon as I got the car back in the garage I ordered myself some ear plugs. My left ear was ringing pretty good and I'm already half deaf in that ear (really). The seat heater felt great and was plenty to take the chill off as it was only about 45 degrees today. The top does make changing lanes "exciting", but not impossible. Next Tuesday will be the big day for the Colorado State Patrol VIN inspection. Then I wait for the state to process the application. After that, one more trip to the DMV for another temp tag and another appointment with the CSP to get the tag installed on the car. From there, it's straight to the DMV to register the car.
Congratulations Dave! You should be extremely proud of your accomplishment. The car, with all the final touches that you've recently finished, is amazing. I hope one day to see it in person. Of course that would mean I'd have to finish mine, and well...., we'll see.
Colorado weather strikes again. Just three days before I have my VIN inspection, we get dumped on with snow. My wife and I drove into Denver today (in her SUV, not the roadster) to go see The Nutcracker and the roads are a mess. I hope it melts off over the next two days so that I can get to the CSP without any problems. Should be a nice cold drive.
The roads have cleared pretty good after the recent snow, so tomorrow morning I'll be headed to Castle Rock to have the Colorado State Patrol do my VIN inspection and get the VIN application process going. It should be a brisk 15 degrees tomorrow morning, so I'll bundle up, kick on the seat heater and very carefully head out on the cold roads. The drive is about 25 miles each way.
Higgybulin
12-31-2019, 08:03 AM
Good LUCK!!
ydousurf
12-31-2019, 08:32 AM
That's great news, Dave! At least you get to leave the snow plow attachment at home ;) Gotta love CO and the fact that the snow doesn't stay around until Spring. Have a safe and uneventful drive, other than all the smiles you bring to people's faces, as you travel to and fro for the CSP portion (final step) of the build. I can't think of a better day to close out the decade and year end, and begin the New one and Year. Safe travels...
Dj
Jeff Kleiner
12-31-2019, 08:44 AM
15 degrees? Man Dave, that has me beat by at least 12! Below 35 I put the full face helmet on and it's not too bad. Good luck my friend :)
Jeff
Success!!! I braved the elements this morning and drove to my CSP inspection in 20 degree temps. The roads were good until I got to the CSP building and their parking lot was solid ice. I managed to get parked with no issues and then proceeded to go through my inspection. The officer checked the chassis number and engine serial numbers against my paperwork, had me start it up and pop the hood and trunk, then he did an equipment check. That consisted of headlight hi/low beams, turn signals brake lights, horn, and wipers. He asked me about the fuel tank and fuel pump setup, looked at the seat belts and asked about any other safety equipment. I mentioned the dual roll bars and drive line safety hoop. He then took my paperwork and a check for $50.00 and went inside for about fifteen minutes before coming back out with my approved inspection paperwork. While I was waiting, I gathered a crowd of guys waiting for their inspections. It was fun! I then drove another 25 miles to Kiowa to submit the documents for the VIN application. Everything was good there and I headed home. The car is pretty dirty now, so I got that "first" out of the way. I'll clean it up later today as the temps are rising. All in all, a very good day and a major hurdle crossed on the road to getting it legal!
This is the route I drove (round trip loop) starting at the red marker down to the State Patrol. Then from the State Patrol to Kiowa and from Kiowa back to the house.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=119795&d=1577894259
Dave
15 degrees? Man Dave, that has me beat by at least 12! Below 35 I put the full face helmet on and it's not too bad. Good luck my friend :)
Jeff
Jeff,
The seat heaters, a lined leather jacket, a stocking cap, and a good pair of "wind proof" gloves was all I needed. I didn't get cold at all except for a little on my legs. Nothing uncomfortable though.
Dave
Today I set my ride height. The car was sitting high in the right rear. I had tried to set it a while ago, but couldn't get the adjustment collar to move at all. I picked up a coil over adjusting wrench and measuring tool to help me do this.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120441&d=1578777661
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120442&d=1578777667
The rear is now set at 5" and the front is at 4-1/2":
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120440&d=1578777652
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120443&d=1578777679
I'll monitor things as I expect the springs to settle a bit over time.
I got home from work today and saw I had a letter from the state. Opened it up and my VIN application has been approved! Now I just need to wait until the State Patrol notifies me to come get the plate attached to the car. Once that is done I can register the car and I'll be legal.
GoDadGo
01-16-2020, 08:48 AM
Papa Dave,
That's Great News!
Congratulations on getting to this milestone.
Steve
Jeff Kleiner
01-16-2020, 09:29 AM
Look at you go! We gotta' see a photo of the car wearing a license plate :)
Jeff
Thanks, guys. I'll definitely post a plate picture. I'm wondering if I can get away with a personalized plate: "ASP MAN"?
I got a call from the CSP to come get my VIN plate attached. I have an appointment for next Friday! I'll be able to register the car the following week. Almost legal!!!!
Pat427
01-17-2020, 08:45 PM
Congrats Dave! Very excited for you!
I got a call from the CSP to come get my VIN plate attached. I have an appointment for next Friday! I'll be able to register the car the following week. Almost legal!!!!
E-Car Man
01-18-2020, 03:25 PM
10010 months start to complete. Congratulations on the VIN approval. Looking forward to reading through the entire post, to get hints and insights into what I can expect in my future build
10010 months start to complete. Congratulations on the VIN approval. Looking forward to reading through the entire post, to get hints and insights into what I can expect in my future build
Thanks -- It was actually about 11110 with 1100 of those months waiting for parts and my turn in Jeff's shop.
Quick update:
I got another 10-day temp tag issued so I can drive the car to Golden tomorrow and have the VIN plate attached by the Colorado State Patrol. When they install the plate, they will give me the completed form that will allow me to register and title the car. I plan to do that next Tuesday, the 28th. It then takes up to 60 days before my actual plates will arrive, however, I'll be given a 60-day temp tag to allow me to drive the car while waiting on the plates. Almost there!!
GoDadGo
01-23-2020, 08:48 AM
Quick update:
I got another 10-day temp tag issued so I can drive the car to Golden tomorrow and have the VIN plate attached by the Colorado State Patrol. When they install the plate, they will give me the completed form that will allow me to register and title the car. I plan to do that next Tuesday, the 28th. It then takes up to 60 days before my actual plates will arrive, however, I'll be given a 60-day temp tag to allow me to drive the car while waiting on the plates. Almost there!!
Ah; The Joys Of Our Great Bureaucracy!
Almost There Papa Dave, Almost There!
Ah; The Joys Of Our Great Bureaucracy!
Almost There Papa Dave, Almost There!
Indeed! Have you seen the movie Jupiter Ascending where Mila Kunis' character is trying to navigate the bureaucracy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VveTsyjFlNA
One step closer today. I took my daughter (navigator) with me to Golden to get the VIN plate installed by the CSP.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=121330&d=1579900066
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=121331&d=1579900081
Drove the car for the first time at highway speed and nothing flew off the car. I did feel a slight vibration and will reset the pinion angle now that I've set the ride height -- hope that's all I need to do. I also heard a noise coming from the transmission that I don't really like and will need to figure out what it's coming from. Lastly, without the ear plugs, I heard some aluminum rattling when hitting bumps. Could just be a splash panel. Other than that the car ran great and definitely attracts a lot of attention. Tuesday it should be titled and registered!
Dave
GTBradley
01-25-2020, 12:14 PM
Just in time! They’re indicating mid sixties next weekend...
I put the car up on the lift today ad think I found the rattle I was hearing. the only thing that was making any noise close to a rattle was the cover on the gas tank. I also noticed with the lower ride height that my fancy diff cover doesn't play well with my battery box.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=121384&d=1580011565
I may have to go back to the steel cover that shipped with the diff.
I pulled the fill plug on the trans and checked the fluid level and didn't feel fluid as far as I could reach my finger in the hole. I had a few drops of fluid on the garage floor after my first drive a few weeks ago, but don't see any fluid on anything under the car or where the drips may have come from. I'll need to fill it back up and see what happens. Nothing smelled burnt, but I'm nervous about it at this point. I'll see if the noise returns after I fill it back up. When I initially filled it, it took over two quarts before the fluid was at the fill port level.
On the pinion angle, it looks like I'm going to need to raise the tail shaft on the trans a bit. I'll start with some washers and once I get the height right, I'll get some real shims in there.
Railroad
01-26-2020, 10:51 AM
I do not know about your cover, but have read that some use the higher fill plug for checking the level of lube.
This is not the correct fill height. The lube level will be somewhere near the level of the bottom of the axle tubes.
Just trying to save some possible grief.
good luck,
I do not know about your cover, but have read that some use the higher fill plug for checking the level of lube.
This is not the correct fill height. The lube level will be somewhere near the level of the bottom of the axle tubes.
Just trying to save some possible grief.
good luck,
Yep -- made that mistake originally and corrected it. My concern now is with the transmission. Tremec says to fill it to the fill port, which I originally did. However, when I pulled the fill plug yesterday, the level is well below that and I've had a few drips of trans fluid on the floor. If there were a significant leak, I'd expect to see fluid all over the underside of the car, which I'm not seeing. My fluid pump died on me, so I'll add fluid when I get a replacement and see how much more fluid I need to put in it.
Dave
Jeff Kleiner
01-26-2020, 12:17 PM
Just FYI, it did not leave any drips while it was here.
Jeff
Just FYI, it did not leave any drips while it was here.
Jeff
I didn't see anything until after it was driven beyond my slow cruises in my neighborhood.
Dave
I'm Legal!!! Went to the county DMV today and after about an hour of sifting through the system, the clerk printed my title and registration and took my check. I now have a legal MK4 Roadster! I also applied for a personalized plate and will hear within the next 2-4 weeks if the state will issue what I requested. I had to list three choices, so I'm pretty sure at least one of them will be available and allowed by the state. Stay tuned...
GoDadGo
01-30-2020, 12:03 PM
Congratulations From The Big Easy!
ydousurf
01-30-2020, 12:21 PM
Awesome Dave! I guess it's time to write another chapter in the journal and document all the places you go in your beautiful machine in the future? No doubt a blue and gold aspen photo shoot will be on tap in the fall next year, but for now, man, just enjoy all the beauty our state has to offer. Can't wait to see the personalized plate, those are always cool. All the best and safety too while out on the roads! To the hills I say! :D
Dj
KDubU
01-30-2020, 12:42 PM
Awesome!
TMartinLVNV
01-30-2020, 12:56 PM
You finally did it! Now get out an enjoy that beautiful creation you built!
Jeff Kleiner
01-30-2020, 01:20 PM
Great news Dave! I'm excited for ya' :)
Jeff
Thanks everyone for the comments & congratulations. Of course, we all know these cars are never "done", but it's time to turn the page and start driving this thing instead of working on it. Just a couple of issues to tweak on that I've already found, hopefully all simple to address. It's supposed to be 70 degrees this weekend even though we had snow the last couple to days and are expecting an Artic blast next week. Gotta love Colorado. I plan to get out this weekend and enjoy it.
Dave
Pat427
01-30-2020, 03:07 PM
Congratulations Dave! This is very exiting news!
Aircontroller
01-30-2020, 03:15 PM
Congrats Dave! Lots of work and you’ve crossed the finish line. Thank you for sharing your trials and tribulations with us along the way!
You will help other without a doubt!
Thanks everyone for the comments & congratulations. Of course, we all know these cars are never "done", but it's time to turn the page and start driving this thing instead of working on it. Just a couple of issues to tweak on that I've already found, hopefully all simple to address. It's supposed to be 70 degrees this weekend even though we had snow the last couple to days and are expecting an Artic blast next week. Gotta love Colorado. I plan to get out this weekend and enjoy it.
Dave
PeteMeindl
01-30-2020, 08:05 PM
woooohoooo! Congratulations - Great job, Dave! You've done an awesome job, built a beautiful car, and the way you've shared it with all of us through your thread has been a BIG help to lots of people. Thank you!
cv2065
01-31-2020, 11:47 AM
Great news Dave! Now its time to document your adventures outside the garage!
I haven't had much to talk about for the last few weeks, but as my foot recovers from surgery I was able to get into the shop and look at a few things today. I've driven the car about 400 miles now and it was a good opportunity to get it up on the lift today. The first thing that caught my eye is how poorly the spray on bed liner is holding up to the "slash" the snow plows spread on the roads when it snows. My soft NiCop brake line is right in the line of fire for the rocks that the tires are throwing at it. From the union rearward, I used armor (gravel guard), but the front is exposed from the union forward until the line enters the foot box. Obviously this will eventually fail, so I decided to make a miniature skid plate to protect the vulnerable line.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=122912&d=1582330926
And after powder coat:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=122913&d=1582330935
At some point, I'm going to need to do something with the panels that are getting chewed up. I'll likely go back to the roll-on bed liner, which is not showing any signs of wear on the splash guards.
Finally, I had a guy come by today to look at doing a polish and ceramic protection on the paint. He's going to start on Tuesday and thinks it will take him a couple of days. He'll be doing the work in my shop. I'll post pics when he's done. I'm still waiting to see if the state approved my personalized plates, or which of the three choices I put down gets approved.
cv2065
02-21-2020, 11:53 PM
Great idea Dave. I was thinking the same thing a while back but never did anything about it. Now I'll have to Thanks!
TMartinLVNV
02-22-2020, 12:02 AM
Hmm, my brake line pops out at near the same location. I'll have to do something about this too. Thanks for the heads up Dave.
The paint polishing is underway and the difference is astounding! Here is a photo showing the pre-polished surface next to an area he has completed step one of his process on.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123217&d=1582655112
The lighting he is using shows every flaw and makes it look way worse than the human eye will see in normal light, but the difference is clear!
Here are a few more pictures of the polishing work in progress:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123226&d=1582668831
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123225&d=1582668809
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123224&d=1582668795
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123223&d=1582668787
The Halligan
02-25-2020, 07:29 PM
Wow! Great build..beautiful color selection. Top notch all around!
One more photo from yesterday...
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123255&d=1582725697
He's just needs to get the right front fender and passenger side of the hood and then on to the next step in his process. The weather looks better today, so if he finishes, I'll get some pictures of the car out in the sun.
Jeff Kleiner
02-26-2020, 09:14 AM
Tell him “Thanks!” for making me look good;)
Jeff
Tell him “Thanks!” for making me look good;)
Jeff
No need Jeff -- The foundation was there all along. He is just really good at getting the best out of what was already there.
Dave
And finished …
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123265&d=1582751219
shark92651
02-26-2020, 04:13 PM
Looks great!
GoDadGo
02-26-2020, 04:16 PM
Jeff Really Kills The Paint & Bodywork Like Nobody's Business!
.Definitely Picture Of The Month Material!
PeteMeindl
02-26-2020, 04:45 PM
Wow! Looks awesome, Dave! Man, you've done a great job!
Looks great!
Jeff Really Kills The Paint & Bodywork Like Nobody's Business!
.Definitely Picture Of The Month Material!
Wow! Looks awesome, Dave! Man, you've done a great job!
Thanks fellas. I still can't believe it's mine sometimes. Looking forward to warmer weather and clear, dry roads to get out and enjoy it.
Dave
VAHokie
02-26-2020, 09:59 PM
Looks great, Dave, and thanks for the callout on the brake lines taking a beating. Just finished running mine without the gravel guard but I may reconsider getting some type of protection on there.
GTBradley
02-27-2020, 08:58 AM
That's fantastic, Dave! Thanks for getting me to think I'm still not done.
That's fantastic, Dave! Thanks for getting me to think I'm still not done.
Come on now Badley. You know these cars are never done!
Dave
ydousurf
02-27-2020, 09:37 AM
You get my vote! But you gotta promise us a pic with the golden Aspens in bloom in the future? Roadster looks absolutely amazing, Dave!
Dj
GTBradley
02-27-2020, 10:34 AM
Come on now Badley. You know these cars are never done!
Dave
Yeah, I know, but how do I break that news to my lovely, and so far, very patient wife?
Resolved a couple of my initial kinks this weekend. First, did a better check on my transmission fluid level and found it was fine. Fluid level was right at the fill plug.
Next, I removed the very first part I installed on the car and replaced it with what was there to start with. That was my diff cover. The pretty one I installed was hitting my FFMetal battery box after setting my 5" ride height. After swapping covers, all is quiet again.
I still have a bit of vibration at highway speed and need to get the car up on jack stands so the rear end is at a normal level and see what I need to do with the pinion angle.
Other than that, the car has about 400 miles on it and my wife even went on a quick cruise with me. It was her first time in the car since the go cart stage and I think she likes it. She wanted to know when we were going to do a longer drive. :D
Tex2131
03-18-2020, 12:20 PM
The paint polishing is underway and the difference is astounding! Here is a photo showing the pre-polished surface next to an area he has completed step one of his process on.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=123217&d=1582655112
The lighting he is using shows every flaw and makes it look way worse than the human eye will see in normal light, but the difference is clear!
It looks great Dave. Where did you get the spats for thr rear fenders?
It looks great Dave. Where did you get the spats for thr rear fenders?
The spats are from one of our vendors:
http://www.verycoolparts.com/
Dave
After a lengthy delay, my plates finally arrived. I want to thank Badasp427 (Carl) for the inspiration. I honestly thought there would be no way the state would approve this plate:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=125799&d=1586218220
Pat427
04-06-2020, 07:19 PM
Wow! Looks awesome Dave!
Carl (BadAsp427) is a great guy and has been a huge help for me during my build.
Rsnake
04-06-2020, 08:43 PM
Car looks amazing!
GTBradley
04-06-2020, 09:21 PM
That's a BAD ASP car you have there!
That's a BAD ASP car you have there!
Thanks, Bradley. I can't wait to get it up into the mountains someday, hopefully this summer. Stay safe.
Dave
Wow! Looks awesome Dave!
Carl (BadAsp427) is a great guy and has been a huge help for me during my build.
Car looks amazing!
Thanks, guys!
BadAsp427
04-07-2020, 02:33 AM
Awww Shucks... :rolleyes:
Kmcallahan
04-07-2020, 08:17 AM
Dave,
Car looks Awesome. I can't wait to get mine on the road.
KDubU
04-07-2020, 11:33 AM
What’s it doing in the garage? Shiny is nice but driving is nicer. ;)
She’s a beaut!
What’s it doing in the garage? Shiny is nice but driving is nicer. ;)
She’s a beaut!
I had the car out over the weekend. I needed to go pick up an "essential" item and figured it didn't matter what car I used to do that with. I actually placed my order on-line for an item at Home Depot and then drove in and used curb-side pickup to get my item and head back home.
I added a Table of Contents to post #1 to make it easier to find the specific parts of the build you are interested in. I tried to add hyper links to the post numbers, but quickly exceeded the maximum number of characters allowed in a post and decided to remove the links.
PeteMeindl
04-12-2020, 08:59 PM
I added a Table of Contents to post #1 to make it easier to find the specific parts of the build you are interested in. I tried to add hyper links to the post numbers, but quickly exceeded the maximum number of characters allowed in a post and decided to remove the links.
Thank you, Dave! You're always helping all of us out. :)
I took the car in to a local Big-O that the Mile-Hi Cobra Club endorses for alignment work and they posted a couple of pictures up on their Facebook page:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=126686&d=1587177699
ydousurf
04-17-2020, 11:42 PM
Very cool, Dave. I'm sure them and the emission folks must get a BIG SMILE when these gems come their way! Hey, once this social distancing stuff wanes, hopefully later this summer, I still want to come down and meet ya. I figure I'll bring some parts to powder coat if you're still interested in doing that? I'd rather pay someone like yourself to do mine and at the going rate of course. I'm not looking for bargains or deals, more so, to give you some extra buxs to help offset your past cost for investment into being able to do that work. You no doubt did an excellent job on your stuff. Anyway, I hope your family is safe and healthy!
Dj
Very cool, Dave. I'm sure them and the emission folks must get a BIG SMILE when these gems come their way! Hey, once this social distancing stuff wanes, hopefully later this summer, I still want to come down and meet ya. I figure I'll bring some parts to powder coat if you're still interested in doing that? I'd rather pay someone like yourself to do mine and at the going rate of course. I'm not looking for bargains or deals, more so, to give you some extra buxs to help offset your past cost for investment into being able to do that work. You no doubt did an excellent job on your stuff. Anyway, I hope your family is safe and healthy!
Dj
Hi Dj,
I'm definitely hopeful that we are back to some level of normal by summer. I'm looking forward to meeting you and others in the area. I'd be happy to help you with powder coating. I can't do large parts, but it's all the small stuff that racks up the bills at the local shops just do to the time.
Dave
ydousurf
04-18-2020, 05:44 PM
Hey Dave, yeah, this has been a weird deal for everyone for sure. I'm ready for "normal" again, although I feel the new normal will be not the same and just as 9/11 changed us, I fear this will too. Maybe in some ways for the better, but surely in other ways it will not, unfortunately. But once we have movement and more confidence, I'll plan to stop on by and meet ya. As for the powder parts, I just need the smaller stuff done. Do I need to do any prep work? I figure I can somewhat take the edge down and if necessary sand them too. If it can save you that work, just advise. Anyway, stay safe and I do look forward to seeing you and your beautiful car in the future...
All the best,
Dj
Hey Dave, yeah, this has been a weird deal for everyone for sure. I'm ready for "normal" again, although I feel the new normal will be not the same and just as 9/11 changed us, I fear this will too. Maybe in some ways for the better, but surely in other ways it will not, unfortunately. But once we have movement and more confidence, I'll plan to stop on by and meet ya. As for the powder parts, I just need the smaller stuff done. Do I need to do any prep work? I figure I can somewhat take the edge down and if necessary sand them too. If it can save you that work, just advise. Anyway, stay safe and I do look forward to seeing you and your beautiful car in the future...
All the best,
Dj
Dj,
I have everything here to prep the parts, so no need to do anything before bringing them down. What color/finish are you thinking about? I don't stockpile powder, so if you want to order what you plan to use and bring it with you, that would be great. I assumed you'd want to do the parts while we talked and you could take them home with you. I don't charge people for helping them out, so just bring the parts and the powder and we'll get you taken care of. It takes about 25-30 minutes per batch to bake/cure the stuff. I've had really good results using Sherwin Williams powder, and it isn't very expensive to buy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HW4ZTIK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Let me know what you had in mind.
Dave
ydousurf
04-21-2020, 05:26 PM
Hey Dave, thanks for the suggestion, I'll definitely buy some PC and most likely will go with a gloss or satin black. I want to do the front body hangers (if that's what they're called) and the trunk & hood hindges and if possible, the brake assembly parts and any smaller parts to avoid rust of course. I'm going to order a firewall forward kit and can get that done at another shop with a larger oven. As for payment, nah, no freebies. I think the last thing left we have for free is the sunshine, since water and oxygen are now bottled for sale. I'll pay ya! I know that time and tools are and investment to us all, so that's all good. Hey, if anything, the buxs can go into the cobra finesse fund to make future improvements to your baby. Anyway, I'll be in touch with ya in the future and do appreciate your help with the PC parts, not to mention I still will take some expert guidance, that and I definitely want to see your car up close. I am looking forward to meeting ya soon. Take care and enjoy this wonderful CO sunshine! Woohoo! I'm sooooo ready for Spring & Summer!
Dj
I started this topic in a separate thread (https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?35739-Adding-Charging-amp-Jumper-Posts), but felt I wanted to include the information in my build thread as well. I installed the charging port today. It's in the trunk floor near the latch bar. Pretty simple to do except for one little gotcha that made me have to do a bit of extra work. The polarity was reversed (port wired backwards). Thankfully, my charger identified the issue and I was able to correct it. When I tested the port, sure enough I was getting -0.55 on the multimeter with the red and black wires tested as indicated. Reversing the two proceed a 0.55 reading. So, after reversing the wiring, all was good.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127577&d=1588389172
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127578&d=1588389181
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127579&d=1588389190
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127580&d=1588389199
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=127581&d=1588389209
I used stainless hardware instead of the stuff that came with the port. I also swapped out the 30 amp fuse on the holder with a 7.5 amp fuse to match what Optima uses in its accessories.
I noticed a rattle sound the other day as I was doing some short data logging runs as I dial in my Sniper's tune. Turns out the noise was coming from my fuel tank. A quick snugging up of the strap hanger bolts and the rattle is gone. Sorting out all the little things after the build is done is almost as much work as the build itself, but the car just keeps getting better.
GTBradley
05-13-2020, 08:51 AM
I noticed a rattle sound the other day as I was doing some short data logging runs as I dial in my Sniper's tune. Turns out the noise was coming from my fuel tank. A quick snugging up of the strap hanger bolts and the rattle is gone. Sorting out all the little things after the build is done is almost as much work as the build itself, but the car just keeps getting better.
I second that! I’m very happily continuing little corrections/improvements even though the car was “done” last fall. BTW, I got those Dark Water door sills installed without a lot of modification to the sills. I did need to work the fiberglass a bit though, not too bad.
Kmcallahan
05-23-2020, 01:49 PM
Not enough of an issue to be necessary Dave. I mostly commented just to make things easier for those who are following your well documented build thread.
Cheers,
Jeff
I was researching for some info and this is a good informative supprot and direction for everyone.
Jeff- thanks for the direction
Dave.-You have a good looking car, I get soe good ideas off your post, as most post on this forum.
I was researching for some info and this is a good informative supprot and direction for everyone.
Jeff- thanks for the direction
Dave.-You have a good looking car, I get soe good ideas off your post, as most post on this forum.
Thanks for the kind words. I love these types of posts as they validate why I spent so much time documenting my build. I really did want it to be a tool for those that followed.
Dave
I had a chance to drive the car some yesterday and it's getting dialed in nicely. However, it was the first time I'd driven it since it was finished while wearing shorts. I thought chestnuts roasting on an open fire was a Christmas time thing!!! I need to find out where the hot air is getting in and fix that. I suspect the bulb seal along the top of the firewall or somewhere along the top of the foot box.
PeteMeindl
06-05-2020, 09:51 AM
I had a chance to drive the car some yesterday and it's getting dialed in nicely. However, it was the first time I'd driven it since it was finished while wearing shorts. I thought chestnuts roasting on an open fire was a Christmas time thing!!! I need to find out where the hot air is getting in and fix that. I suspect the bulb seal along the top of the firewall or somewhere along the top of the foot box.
Ha! That's funny - i was noticing the exact same thing on my car last weekend, as I was driving in shorts, too!
In the true spirit of the project never being done, my lovely wife actually suggested my latest update. She didn't like the 12v power point I installed that used a plug in adapter to charge a USB device. The plug simply didn't fit the receptacle well and the charging would fail. So, with a garage full of tools and time on my hands, I fabricated a new charging and power setup.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129862&d=1592011026
The USB ports are switched and also display the voltage. The power point will accommodate my GPS power cord/plug. This will get mounted right were the passenger foot box meets the transmission tunnel wall. It'll get mounted into the 2x2 tube from the bottom using rivnuts.
The new "power center" is in. I made a couple of last-minute changes to my planned install, but it is in and functioning. I flipped the l-brackets to the rear of the main plate
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129961&d=1592166788
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129962&d=1592166795
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129963&d=1592167479
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129964&d=1592167485
I was concerned about the location being an issue with passenger's legs, but it is far enough to the left that I can comfortably enter and exit the car without any part of my leg coming close to the bracket. I was originally going to use rivnuts to mount the setup to the frame, but opted to use aluminum 3/6" rivets instead. I figured that the rivets would easily break away in the event of an accident if the passenger's knee were to hit it. Again, it really isn't close to the passenger's legs.
GTBradley
06-14-2020, 06:45 PM
I put a dual port in the same location. We use a retractable power cord there too. I like the voltage read out, you’ll know at a glance if the car needs charging.
I put a dual port in the same location. We use a retractable power cord there too. I like the voltage read out, you’ll know at a glance if the car needs charging.
Yep -- The charger was plugged in when I took the picture, which explains the 13.9v reading.
GTBradley
06-15-2020, 11:26 AM
I wondered if it was running or something.
I bought a mini fire extinguisher and a Drake mounting bracket while I was building the car and never got around to mounting it until today.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=130548&d=1593204238
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=130547&d=1593204230
One more quick install to show for today. After my first Cobra club event last week and seeing the results of "snake bites" on the calves of more than one person, I decided (wife encouraged me) to get a set of heat shields for the side pipes. Here is what I (she) picked.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=130561&d=1593211444
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=130559&d=1593211422
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=130560&d=1593211433
GTBradley
06-26-2020, 08:29 PM
Nice! Where’d you find that? Now if somehow the sun heats the shields up you could be branded with an actual snakehead image on your calf.:cool:
Nice! Where’d you find that? Now if somehow the sun heats the shields up you could be branded with an actual snakehead image on your calf.:cool:
I got them here: https://steelshields.com/cobra
Dave
PeteMeindl
06-27-2020, 02:29 PM
Man, that cockpit looks great! You've done such a nice job. Coincidentally, I just ordered a fire extinguisher yesterday as i thought it wouldn't be a bad idea, too.
I had a chance to drive the car some yesterday and it's getting dialed in nicely. However, it was the first time I'd driven it since it was finished while wearing shorts. I thought chestnuts roasting on an open fire was a Christmas time thing!!! I need to find out where the hot air is getting in and fix that. I suspect the bulb seal along the top of the firewall or somewhere along the top of the foot box.
Problem solved! There was a small gap of about 2-1/2" between where the foam on the side of the driver's footbox ended and where the gap closed up at the top of the foot box. Added some more foam and the boys are no longer getting roasted!
Kmcallahan
08-08-2020, 11:49 AM
Really Dave, don't get caught up on this because the body position will ultimately change. Unless you are going to be driving in gelcoat (which I do not believe is the case) and need to stop the draft through that gap those panels do not get installed until after the body is painted and secured permanently. When they are put in place they are brought to the body, not the other way around.
Jeff
Dave,
Thanks for starting this post. I am at this point on the interior. I will put off this body is finally on after paint.
Jeff,
Thanks for the reply to Dave. This is why I like this forum so much.
Chilly
08-10-2020, 06:26 PM
Today I tackled the rest of the trunk carpeting. It's not perfect, but it turned out good enough that I'm going to go with it. I wasn't sure about carpeting the access covers, but after trying it on the battery cover I think I'll go ahead and do the other two for the fuel tank as well.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=93590&d=1537044534
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=93589&d=1537044521
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=93588&d=1537044508
As much as I hate doing upholstery work, I also put a new seat bottom cover on my driver's seat in my 2007 F250. The leather was still in great shape, but the vinyl side panel was starting to crack, so I ordered a replacement cover and spent two hours removing the seat from the truck, disassembling the seat (power, heated, lumbar), and replacing the cover. In the process, I shaved a portion of one of my fingers on the razor-sharp metal seat frame. I'm relaxing the rest of the weekend!
Did you do any kind of protective spray on the inside of your foot boxes or trunk before you lined them with insulation and finally carpet?
Chilly
Did you do any kind of protective spray on the inside of your foot boxes or trunk before you lined them with insulation and finally carpet?
Chilly
No. I cleaned the aluminum with lacquer thinner before applying the ThermoTec in the cockpit. I didn't do any insulation in the trunk, just the carpet on the bare aluminum.
Dave
Dave, I thought I had asked this question earlier today, but here goes again. I know I saw the picture of when you carpeted your trunk, but I just realized that it seems to be fairly low pile, and that is what I'm after. What product did you use? Was it reasonably easy to work with, or not? Thanks.
Dave, I thought I had asked this question earlier today, but here goes again. I know I saw the picture of when you carpeted your trunk, but I just realized that it seems to be fairly low pile, and that is what I'm after. What product did you use? Was it reasonably easy to work with, or not? Thanks.
Rick,
I used a trunk liner fabric that is often used to cover speaker enclosures. The specific product I used isn't available from the place I bought it any more, but they have similar fabric here in a couple of different color options:
https://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Car-Audio-Accessories-Installation-Accessories-Fabrication?sort_direction=1
I've also used this in other projects and it's the same stuff:
https://www.parts-express.com/speaker-cabinet-carpet-covering-charcoal-yard-54-wide--260-765?gclid=Cj0KCQjwg8n5BRCdARIsALxKb97OU6vIZnr9_Il0 N1WtgI1Hg1WK-h0D9QVjPerp_8Y6IpFHRVVttrEaApstEALw_wcB
It's very easy to work with and can be molded around the frame tubes, etc.
Dave
Dave, I'm going to guess that 5 yds. of product is probably more than I would need for the trunk, correct? Do the edges want to fray when you cut it, or is it pretty stable when cut? Sorry for all the questions. The way you got the battery box cover wrapped looks awesome. Exactly what I'd like to end up with. Thanks.
Dave, I'm going to guess that 5 yds. of product is probably more than I would need for the trunk, correct? Do the edges want to fray when you cut it, or is it pretty stable when cut? Sorry for all the questions. The way you got the battery box cover wrapped looks awesome. Exactly what I'd like to end up with. Thanks.
You only need about 2-3 yards to do the trunk depending on if you are doing the rear cockpit wall (I didn't). The ends do not fray at all with this fabric. On the battery box and other access panels, I just made the cut about 1/2" wider than the panel on all sides and then rolled it over and pie cut the corners. I used 3M-77 spray for the adhesive. This is after covering all the panels and using black screws to finish it off:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=93968&d=1537567921
Dave
Awesome, thanks so much for the info Dave!
ggunter
08-14-2020, 02:56 PM
Can someone tell me the distance the two bulkheads on the body buck?
GTBradley
08-14-2020, 03:27 PM
Can someone tell me the distance the two bulkheads on the body buck?
It looks like 96” but look in the back of the assembly manual, you’ll find a diagram of the buck there.
It's 96" - standard 2x4s and a sheet of plywood. Don't over think the body buck.
GTBradley
08-14-2020, 03:46 PM
Sorry Dave, should have left that one to you, but I didn't think you were around. Besides, how else are you going to get to a million views?:eek:
BTW, I just saw your video of the Cruise to Buena Vista, I enjoyed it!
Sorry Dave, should have left that one to you, but I didn't think you were around. Besides, how else are you going to get to a million views?:eek:
BTW, I just saw your video of the Cruise to Buena Vista, I enjoyed it!
No sweat, Bradley. We need to get together before winter and go for a drive.
Dave
460.465USMC
08-20-2020, 03:24 PM
Hello Papa
A late congratulations on a fantastic build! I just finished reading your build cover to cover. I echo the sentiments of many others in saying great pictures and great documentation! I think I have at least 15 tips written down from your build I will be considering/reviewing as my build gets underway this Fall. Your time investment into the folks here in the F5 forum is so appreciated. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and lesson learned, and leaving behind a fantastic resource for Noobs like me.
One question I have is regarding your 18" wheel swap. I didn't realize (pardon my ignorance) the 18" wheels were much (any?) different in width, and accept the same 245 series (front) and 315 series (rear) tires. But I read comments in your build thread about the deeper dish, and better fill-out of the rear wheel wells. Is it primarily a difference in wheel offset that gives it the different appearance? Are you running 245 front and 315 rear?
Hello Papa
A late congratulations on a fantastic build! I just finished reading your build cover to cover. I echo the sentiments of many others in saying great pictures and great documentation! I think I have at least 15 tips written down from your build I will be considering/reviewing as my build gets underway this Fall. Your time investment into the folks here in the F5 forum is so appreciated. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and lesson learned, and leaving behind a fantastic resource for Noobs like me.
One question I have is regarding your 18" wheel swap. I didn't realize (pardon my ignorance) the 18" wheels were much (any?) different in width, and accept the same 245 series (front) and 315 series (rear) tires. But I read comments in your build thread about the deeper dish, and better fill-out of the rear wheel wells. Is it primarily a difference in wheel offset that gives it the different appearance? Are you running 245 front and 315 rear?
Thanks for the kind words and I love to hear how my experience has helped others. On the wheels, the fronts are identical in width for the 17 and 18" sets at 9" wide with a 6" backspace. The rears are where the differences are. The 17" is 10.5" wide with a 6.7" backspace and the 18" is 11" wide with a 6.46" backspace. That pushes the rear wheel out a bit more than 3/4" (0.84" to be exact) further on the 18" vs. the 17".
Here is where the 17" sat:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=133950&d=1597956258
Here is where the 18" sits:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=133949&d=1597956250
Yes, I'm running a 245 front and 315 rear.
460.465USMC
08-21-2020, 06:13 PM
Thanks for the good details on the differences. First time I’ve seen the actual difference on a car. Very helpful! At some point I will need to decide which size to buy. I imagine the 17” will provide a slightly softer ride given the additional height of the sidewall profile. The trade off being slightly inside the rear fender edge.
BeePea
08-25-2020, 09:59 AM
Papa, fantastic build thread, thank you so much for your detailed descriptions, was a great read as I prep for my own adventure!
Question, can you tell me more about the top? Living in the PNW I feel like the top might be a good choice to broaden my drive days... How does it connect? What modifications did you need to do for the connections? Does it have windows? How was the heat with your seat heaters and top? (I'm trying to get away without installing a heater in my build, so hoping top + seat heaters is enough).
Thanks!
Papa, fantastic build thread, thank you so much for your detailed descriptions, was a great read as I prep for my own adventure!
Question, can you tell me more about the top? Living in the PNW I feel like the top might be a good choice to broaden my drive days... How does it connect? What modifications did you need to do for the connections? Does it have windows? How was the heat with your seat heaters and top? (I'm trying to get away without installing a heater in my build, so hoping top + seat heaters is enough).
Thanks!
Thanks for the comments. The premium top is very well made and fits beautifully. There is a good bit of information on the top here:
http://www.factoryfiveparts.com/15199-premium-mk4-convertible-soft-top/
The only modifications to the car are two post mounting bushings and the angle of the windshield and a couple of snaps on the windshield frame. I still haven't installed the side windows as they are a bit cumbersome to use and I haven't needed them. The seat heaters and top were good with a leather jacket, gloves, and a stocking cap to allow me to drive in 20 degree temps without getting cold. Your biggest issue in your climate will be fogged windows, and a heater would be something I'd really think about doing in your area.
Dave
BeePea
08-25-2020, 11:36 AM
Thanks for the comments. The premium top is very well made and fits beautifully. There is a good bit of information on the top here:
http://www.factoryfiveparts.com/15199-premium-mk4-convertible-soft-top/
The only modifications to the car are two post mounting bushings and the angle of the windshield and a couple of snaps on the windshield frame. I still haven't installed the side windows as they are a bit cumbersome to use and I haven't needed them. The seat heaters and top were good with a leather jacket, gloves, and a stocking cap to allow me to drive in 20 degree temps without getting cold. Your biggest issue in your climate will be fogged windows, and a heater would be something I'd really think about doing in your area.
Dave
Thanks for the link. The cost of the roof makes me re-consider the heater. Is it possible to adjust the windshield angle later if I decide I want the top?
Thanks for the link. The cost of the roof makes me re-consider the heater. Is it possible to adjust the windshield angle later if I decide I want the top?
You certainly can adjust the angle at any time after the car is finished, but if you use that 27" measurement mentioned in the install video when you install your windshield, you'll be all set if you want to add the top down the road. Also, Whitby sells a top that is a lot less expensive that you can see plenty of pictures of in GTBradley's build thread: https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?30668-GTBradley-s-Mk4-Roadster-Adjustable-lumbar-support
https://www.whitbymotorcars.com/product/soft-top/
The Whitby top requires a bit more modification of the car for attachment, so just be aware that the tops install completely differently. Bradley covers it in detail in his thread.
Dave
BeePea
08-25-2020, 12:15 PM
You certainly can adjust the angle at any time after the car is finished, but if you use that 27" measurement mentioned in the install video when you install your windshield, you'll be all set if you want to add the top down the road. Also, Whitby sells a top that is a lot less expensive that you can see plenty of pictures of in GTBradley's build thread: https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?30668-GTBradley-s-Mk4-Roadster-Adjustable-lumbar-support
https://www.whitbymotorcars.com/product/soft-top/
The Whitby top requires a bit more modification of the car for attachment, so just be aware that the tops install completely differently. Bradley covers it in detail in his thread.
Dave
Excellent, thank you! Since I finished reading your build thread, time to jump over to a new one, and it sounds like you picked the perfect one out for me!
Many thanks to Dave (Mad Dog) for highlighting my car on Factory Five's web site!
https://www.factoryfive.com/whats-new/customer-dave-c-graduates-his-mk4-roadster/
Thanks, Dave!
460.465USMC
09-19-2020, 11:23 AM
Congratulations, Dave! What an honor! Your build thread is/will be one of my go-tos as soon as my kit arrives.
Chris
Jay-rod427
09-20-2020, 03:47 PM
A few hours later 32 pages read. Awesome write up op. Grats on getting it more or less finished.
Since getting the car legally on the road in January, I've now got right at 2,775 miles on the odometer, including the ~600 miles it accumulated in the trailer on its way to Jeff's for paint. I've driven the car pretty hard at times and done several 100+ mile trips, including yesterday's ~10 miles on a dirt road (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjV_nQQKRaE). So, today I put the car up on the lift and went over the entire underside of the car from nose to tail. I cleaned off all the dirt and grime and checked all my witness marks for any sign of bolts backing off. Here are the issues I found as I went over the car:
1. I found a couple of drops of anti-freeze and discovered a couple of hose clamps that needed to be tightened up. I also want to add the isolator clamp to secure the lower Boig tube to the chassis.
2. My upper ball joint boots are not staying in their proper place and it looks like I've got a lot of grease on the inner side of the front wheels and some of the suspension parts.
3. My rear axle vent is venting more fluid than I would like
4. I had quite a bit of very fine metal sludge on the oil drain magnet
5. I have a broken mount on the plug wire loom
So, not perfect but a few projects to work on this winter. I've ordered another set of plug wire looms as I couldn't find any replacement parts for the ones on the car. I may try to fabricate something a bit more sturdy than what comes with the parts. I'll need to address the upper ball joints. What do the experts recommend? For the lower radiator tube, I believe Breeze sells a bracket to stabilize the tube. Should I be concerned about the sludge on the drain plug? This is my first oil change since the break-in change at 500 miles. The material was like a very fine metal paste when I cleaned it off the magnet.
Some pictures:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=136209&d=1602452369
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=136208&d=1602452358
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=136207&d=1602452349
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=136212&d=1602452398
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=136213&d=1602452406
460.465USMC
10-11-2020, 05:27 PM
Hi Papa. Great to see all of the miles on your build. Thanks for sharing your observations.
I'm not sure what you have in mind for the vibration dampening clamp for the lower rad hose, but here are a couple to consider that I noted from other build threads (sourced from McMaster-Carr):
* 11355T73 (from cv2065 thread)
* 3177T59 (from GTBradley's thread)
Hi Papa. Great to see all of the miles on your build. Thanks for sharing your observations.
I'm not sure what you have in mind for the vibration dampening clamp for the lower rad hose, but here are a couple to consider that I noted from other build threads (sourced from McMaster-Carr):
* 11355T73 (from cv2065 thread)
* 3177T59 (from GTBradley's thread)
Thanks for digging those parts up! I went ahead and ordered the one from Breeze; got to support our vendors!
https://www.breezeautomotive.com/?s=70785&post_type=product
I ordered a new set of wire looms, a set of Energy Suspension ball joint boots, and the isolator for the radiator hose. The car was really dirty after the dirt road excursion, and I spent most of the day today cleaning the underside. I didn't even get to the body and interior today. Maybe next weekend's task. As I was cleaning, I also found a couple of failed rivets on the lower edge of the radiator shroud and replaced them. I guess I need to get under the car a bit more often!
TMartinLVNV
10-11-2020, 08:49 PM
1. I found a couple of drops of anti-freeze and discovered a couple of hose clamps that needed to be tightened up. I also want to add the isolator clamp to secure the lower Boig tube to the chassis.
Did you put the hose clamps right at the shoulder of the expanded rim of the pipe? I found that the hoses are just a smidge too large in diameter than the Boig cool tubes and really had to crank them down to get mine to seal. The "T-Bolt" hose clamps are great for this. To me, they are much more secure than worm gear clamps. I have the Breeze bracket and it works great in holding the lower tube in place. I had to fab up a 1/2" spacer to move it away from the frame tube to get it into exactly the right place.
2. My upper ball joint boots are not staying in their proper place and it looks like I've got a lot of grease on the inner side of the front wheels and some of the suspension parts.
That is a lot of grease! Now you have to clean off the inside of your wheels too. :p I don't know why the boots are coming off.
3. My rear axle vent is venting more fluid than I would like
Instead of having the breather directly on the axle, run a hose up and in front of that gas tank and put the breather there. Make sure you have enough slack to account for suspension travel. If you ever get into a spot where your rear axle submerged (big issue for off road stuff), having the breather that low is going to cause you problems. I have a few more miles than you and nothing has come out of my breather at all.
4. I had quite a bit of very fine metal sludge on the oil drain magnet
I've done a lot of oil changes and that does not look bad to me.
5. I have a broken mount on the plug wire loom
Yikes.
Terry,
Thanks for the feedback. I'll look into the different clamps for the cool tubes and the axle breather reconfiguration. The boots on the ball joints have never stayed in place from the beginning. I really should have replaced them before getting too far into the build. Oh well, not to bad of a job to replace them.
Dave
Fixit
10-12-2020, 05:11 AM
2nd on extending the axle vent with a length of hose. Whatever is puked out by air pressure will have somewhere to go, then drain back in the axle instead of all over it.
No worries about the black stuff on the drain plug. That's pretty normal for a fresh engine (I had a similar amount at my 1000 mile change on a new Coyote). Your real concern would be metal "sparklies" or larger. Do you still have the filter, or did you throw it out? If you've still got it, cut the "can" off, unroll the media, and look.
Here's a look at my 1st oil change for comparison (https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?27544-The-40-Watt-Garage-9365-Rackin-on-some-miles!&p=375093&viewfull=1#post375093)
I held onto the filter. Now I just need to buy something to cut it open with.