FlatironsTuning
04-03-2014, 04:18 PM
We just became a vendor here, and I thought I would make our first post one about the differences in some of the Subaru 5MT gear sets that are available. I did notice that you all ready have a sticky thread about the Subaru transmissions, but I thought I would start a new thread just to let everyone know that we are now an official vendor here. Mods, if you would like to merge this with the sticky, that is fine.
This is actually a post that we created a while ago, but the information is still current. This is also an article in our FAQ blog here. (http://flatironsrally.typepad.com/faq/2010/05/comparison-of-subaru-gear-sets-wrx-legacy-gt-sti-ra-and-more.html)
I hope this helps, and please feel free to ask us any questions you might have! Thanks for looking!
I just had to rebuild the transmission in my 2003 WRX, and put in an STI V.6 Gear set. In the process of doing so, I decided to compare the gears going out, and going in, and I thought I would post what I found.
First, I actually had a set of gears from a 2006 WRX from an install that we did a while back. The first thing I did was to compare the 03 2nd and 3rd to the 06, and as far as I can tell, they are identical. I an 100% sure about 2nd, and 90% sure about 3rd. The reason for this is that 3rd gear went out on the 06, so there are no teeth on the driven gear. However, the tooth count is identical, and the base of both gears is the same.
[Up-Date]5-24-2010
In terms of 2nd gear specifically, we actually had both the 2002 and 2003+ second gear on hand. Here is a picture that shows the difference:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/Scubynubie/02-03WRX2nd001-MedLogo.jpg
As you can see from this picture, the later generation 2nd gear was definitley thicker than the 2002 2nd gear, but the gear teeth count, and thickness is identical. You can also see that Subaru put two notches on the top of each gear.
Some people say that the early production 03's actually had the 02 gears, but I am not so sure. the part # for the 2002 2nd is 32251AA700, and it was used in producton from Sept. 2000 through May of 2002. The part # for the 03+ started as 32251AA810, which supersceeded to 32251AA820 and was used in production from April 2002 through June of 2007.
Also, some other handy numbers to have are the serial #'s on the transmission bell housing:
The last 6 digits are as follows:
2002 - 4VN2AA
2003 - 4VN2BA
2004 - 4VV4AA
[end Up-Date]
So From this, I can say that the gears in the WRX from 2003 - 2007 are for all intents and purposes the same. One interesting re-design I did notice is the ring on 3rd that keeps the hub from sliding into the actual gear itself. I noticed this because on my 03, it is a metal ring that is welded to the synchro, and on my 3rd gear, that ring came lose, and was basically chewed up (which accounted for some metal in my transmission). On the later WRX gears, and on both the Legacy GT gears, and STI gears that I put in, this has been done away with, and incorporated into the synchro design.
So on to the pictures. First is a picture of the WRX gears compared to the Legacy GT gears, and second is a comparison with the STI V.6 Gears:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/Scubynubie/WRXLGTComp2-MedLogos.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/Scubynubie/WRXSTIV6Comp1-MedLogo.jpg
It is somewhat apparent from the pictures, but more apparent in person that the LGT and STI V. 6 gears are thicker than the WRX gears.
But because it doesn't come through in the pictures as well as it could, I decided to take some measurements. Now, I will say that this proved to be much harder than I expected at first because of the shape of the gear teeth. I used a caliper, and tried as best as I could to measure at the base of the tooth above any curvature of the trough between the two teeth. But with that said, I am going to say that my measurements are acurate +/- .1mm, though I might be giving myself too much credit.
Here are the numbers that I got after measuring 3-4 teeth on each gear, and taking an average. It is also worth noting that the WRX gear have been run in a car, where the LGT and STI gears were brand new ,and the STI gears are also REM treated.
For the WRX Gears:
2nd - 5.35mm
3rd - 3.76mm
05 - 07 Legacy GT Gears:
2nd - 5.92mm
3rd - 4.41mm
STI V.6 Gears:
2nd - 5.92mm
3rd - 4.39mm
STI RA Gears:
2nd - 6.03mm
3rd - 5.28mm
So basically, I am going to assume that the Legacy GT gears and STI V.6 gears have the same tooth thickness which isn't surprising because they are the same ratios after all. And I'll say that the difference between 3rd gear teeth is just my measuring error.
Lastly, I have taken pictures of the RA gears compared to the WRX gears. The base width of the teeth is listed above, and these are the widest of the Subaru gear sets.
http://www.flatironstuning.com/images/RA%20Gearset%20Comparison%20Labeled-small.jpg
Also, for anyone interested, here are the ratios for the above sets:
JDM STI V.6
Legacy GT (2005 - 2008)
1st-3.166
2nd-1.882
3rd-1.296
4th-0.972
5th-0.738
JDM STI-RA
1st - 3.083
2nd - 2.062
3rd - 1.545
4th - 1.151
5th - 0.825
USDM WRX
1st - 3.454
2nd - 1.947
3rd - 1.366
4th - 0.972
5th - 0.738
Cooley
This is actually a post that we created a while ago, but the information is still current. This is also an article in our FAQ blog here. (http://flatironsrally.typepad.com/faq/2010/05/comparison-of-subaru-gear-sets-wrx-legacy-gt-sti-ra-and-more.html)
I hope this helps, and please feel free to ask us any questions you might have! Thanks for looking!
I just had to rebuild the transmission in my 2003 WRX, and put in an STI V.6 Gear set. In the process of doing so, I decided to compare the gears going out, and going in, and I thought I would post what I found.
First, I actually had a set of gears from a 2006 WRX from an install that we did a while back. The first thing I did was to compare the 03 2nd and 3rd to the 06, and as far as I can tell, they are identical. I an 100% sure about 2nd, and 90% sure about 3rd. The reason for this is that 3rd gear went out on the 06, so there are no teeth on the driven gear. However, the tooth count is identical, and the base of both gears is the same.
[Up-Date]5-24-2010
In terms of 2nd gear specifically, we actually had both the 2002 and 2003+ second gear on hand. Here is a picture that shows the difference:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/Scubynubie/02-03WRX2nd001-MedLogo.jpg
As you can see from this picture, the later generation 2nd gear was definitley thicker than the 2002 2nd gear, but the gear teeth count, and thickness is identical. You can also see that Subaru put two notches on the top of each gear.
Some people say that the early production 03's actually had the 02 gears, but I am not so sure. the part # for the 2002 2nd is 32251AA700, and it was used in producton from Sept. 2000 through May of 2002. The part # for the 03+ started as 32251AA810, which supersceeded to 32251AA820 and was used in production from April 2002 through June of 2007.
Also, some other handy numbers to have are the serial #'s on the transmission bell housing:
The last 6 digits are as follows:
2002 - 4VN2AA
2003 - 4VN2BA
2004 - 4VV4AA
[end Up-Date]
So From this, I can say that the gears in the WRX from 2003 - 2007 are for all intents and purposes the same. One interesting re-design I did notice is the ring on 3rd that keeps the hub from sliding into the actual gear itself. I noticed this because on my 03, it is a metal ring that is welded to the synchro, and on my 3rd gear, that ring came lose, and was basically chewed up (which accounted for some metal in my transmission). On the later WRX gears, and on both the Legacy GT gears, and STI gears that I put in, this has been done away with, and incorporated into the synchro design.
So on to the pictures. First is a picture of the WRX gears compared to the Legacy GT gears, and second is a comparison with the STI V.6 Gears:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/Scubynubie/WRXLGTComp2-MedLogos.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h112/Scubynubie/WRXSTIV6Comp1-MedLogo.jpg
It is somewhat apparent from the pictures, but more apparent in person that the LGT and STI V. 6 gears are thicker than the WRX gears.
But because it doesn't come through in the pictures as well as it could, I decided to take some measurements. Now, I will say that this proved to be much harder than I expected at first because of the shape of the gear teeth. I used a caliper, and tried as best as I could to measure at the base of the tooth above any curvature of the trough between the two teeth. But with that said, I am going to say that my measurements are acurate +/- .1mm, though I might be giving myself too much credit.
Here are the numbers that I got after measuring 3-4 teeth on each gear, and taking an average. It is also worth noting that the WRX gear have been run in a car, where the LGT and STI gears were brand new ,and the STI gears are also REM treated.
For the WRX Gears:
2nd - 5.35mm
3rd - 3.76mm
05 - 07 Legacy GT Gears:
2nd - 5.92mm
3rd - 4.41mm
STI V.6 Gears:
2nd - 5.92mm
3rd - 4.39mm
STI RA Gears:
2nd - 6.03mm
3rd - 5.28mm
So basically, I am going to assume that the Legacy GT gears and STI V.6 gears have the same tooth thickness which isn't surprising because they are the same ratios after all. And I'll say that the difference between 3rd gear teeth is just my measuring error.
Lastly, I have taken pictures of the RA gears compared to the WRX gears. The base width of the teeth is listed above, and these are the widest of the Subaru gear sets.
http://www.flatironstuning.com/images/RA%20Gearset%20Comparison%20Labeled-small.jpg
Also, for anyone interested, here are the ratios for the above sets:
JDM STI V.6
Legacy GT (2005 - 2008)
1st-3.166
2nd-1.882
3rd-1.296
4th-0.972
5th-0.738
JDM STI-RA
1st - 3.083
2nd - 2.062
3rd - 1.545
4th - 1.151
5th - 0.825
USDM WRX
1st - 3.454
2nd - 1.947
3rd - 1.366
4th - 0.972
5th - 0.738
Cooley