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fateo66
02-05-2014, 11:43 AM
I have came to the conclusion that the Subaru Knowledge base of differentials is a bit lacking and have decided to write a little something about them and include a Pictorial to help everyone out.

While I don't want to get into too many details on what makes each diff different, here is a nice link to what Dave Anton wrote on NASIOC:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1126026


Also here is a nice video explaining what a differential is:

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I have compiled 13 different differentials for reference, which include all options for the US market and nearly all for the Japanese market as well. The only two factory options that I am missing are the 5mt front torsen that came in some late 90's RA V-limited STI's and the R180 AP Suretrac that came in the JDM Bugeye's.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/All_zpsf4228ef8.jpg

To start out, here is a line up of the differentials available for a R160 rear.


http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/R160_zps7404b2bb.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/R160opened_zpsbbcde148.jpg

And here is what a diff looks like when it breaks

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/3iUDTcW_zps1895b84e.jpg

Here is a version 1 viscous LSD. The unit in the center of the picture is not a mechanical unit; instead, it houses the viscous fluid and plates. This is the differential that requires two different style male axles. One side looks like a standard male rear axle and the other has two sets of splines as seen below. Please note the 4 spider gears.


http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Ver1vlsd_zps3c015875.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Axles_zpsbffd62e1.jpg

Here you can see the inside of a version 2 viscous unit found in most wrx's. A version 2 VLSD is very similar in appearance to an open differential but if you look closely at the seat for the ring gear you will see that you can split the diff in half in order to have access to the viscous unit. Viscous LSD's typically are regarded as a bad unit. However, I do not feel this has to be the case. Yes a Viscous LSD is reactive in its approach to limit wheel spin because you have to have wheel spin in order to heat up the fluid inside the differential. At which time it will attempt slow down the faster moving wheel. Viscous LSDs make the car easier to drive on the street and or a situation where you have a long corner that you want to power through. The biggest down fall to the version 2 VLSD is the fact that it only has 2 spider gears and, as seen in the open diff, this becomes the first point of failure.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/V2R160VLSD_zps16c72304.jpg

fateo66
02-05-2014, 11:44 AM
Here is a shot of the insides of a 2 way clutch LSD for an R160. Very similar to an aftermarket unit, this differential will lock up on both acceleration and deceleration. OEM R160 CLSDs use a bolt in axle stub and female style rear axles.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/KEsVUUE_zps8e3006c9.jpg

Last up for the R160 family is the AP suretrac. This is a sealed unit so I did not feel like destroying mine but here are a few pics of what the insides looks like. The Suretrac falls into the TBD (torque biasing differential) category, which means technically its not a limited slip unit. Instead, it transfers torque to the wheel that has more load. However, it requires some load on both wheels in order to transfer the torque, otherwise a TBD will act as an open diff.


http://www.minimania.com/images/suretrac.jpg

http://www.mycaterham.com/mediac/400_0/media/DIR_39305/DIR_119216/ap7.jpg

Moving forward with the TBD family, here is a line up of three other torsen style differentials. Keep in mind that Torsen is a brand name standing for Torque Sensing and these differentials are not necessarily made by Torsen.


http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Torsenp1_zpsab0c384b.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Torsen_zpsaad96e72.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Torsentop_zpsb8e7addb.jpg

Next I have a line up of clutch style LSDs. The two OEM units are consider a 2 way LSD where as the Cusco has the ability to be changed from a 1 way to a 1.5 way. In addition to the pre-load that you can set on certain clutch LSDs, which makes them a proactive differential, the cusco can lock up only under acceleration (1 way) or under acceleration and partially under deceleration (1.5 way)


http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/CLSDopenedp2_zps596c4d56.jpg

fateo66
02-05-2014, 11:45 AM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/CLSDopened_zps2e8be933.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/rYshtOk_zps86cee71f.jpg

Lastly, here are a few other random pictures I took during all of this:


http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Transfercase_zps5aa88d24.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Ringgearfront_zps91bd175b.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/Ringbackside_zpsb19a60c0.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/DOJ_zps9b82fe81.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x310/fateo66/LSDs/AllOpen_zps9a810f58.jpg

flynntuna
02-05-2014, 12:06 PM
Wow thank you!

longislandwrx
02-05-2014, 12:17 PM
Not meaning to diminish this awesome post but if people weren't confused before, they might be now.

Quick clarification, most WRXs were fitted with a 160 in the REAR, Stis featured the larger 180 REAR diff, but unfortunately those diffs, while great to see are not applicable for the 818.

Great post, great images.

The Race Line
02-05-2014, 12:29 PM
Great information for everyone. You have to love the FF5 community. I love the addition of the dog too.

Thanks much,

Erik Johnson

fateo66
02-05-2014, 12:36 PM
Not meaning to diminish this awesome post but if people weren't confused before, they might be now.

Quick clarification, most WRXs were fitted with a 160 in the REAR, Stis featured the larger 180 REAR diff, but unfortunately those diffs, while great to see are not applicable for the 818.

Great post, great images.


You are correct, and I do apologizes for that but I wrote this for all the Subaru forums I visit not just the 818 forum.

waruaki
02-05-2014, 01:53 PM
Thanks for taking the time to post this, very informative.

Sgt.Gator
06-07-2014, 12:52 PM
This has been a great post for me! Thanks!

gpaterson
06-08-2014, 01:11 AM
As the 818 uses the front diff from the WRX/Impreza which in almost all cases is an open diff, is there a simple Subaru LSD replacement? If so, what front diffs can used without requiring custom made driveshafts?

Cheers
George

R.Spec
06-08-2014, 04:53 AM
As the 818 uses the front diff from the WRX/Impreza which in almost all cases is an open diff, is there a simple Subaru LSD replacement? If so, what front diffs can used without requiring custom made driveshafts?

Cheers
George

I have a jdm 4.44 vlsd 5 speed tranny..... :) maybe I'll just use that. I'll be revved to the sky while i'm cruising but whatever!

Sgt.Gator
06-10-2014, 12:17 AM
As the 818 uses the front diff from the WRX/Impreza which in almost all cases is an open diff, is there a simple Subaru LSD replacement? If so, what front diffs can used without requiring custom made driveshafts?

Cheers
George
Most people say a Torsen/Quaife type helical gear is best on a front diff....but since the front diff becomes a rear diff in our case maybe a Cusco or other clutch/plate type is best. "Best" does depend on your usage. A clutch/plate type will need rebuilding every year or two, Torsen/Quaife do not, they are pretty much maintenance free except for changing the oil.

I don't think any of them require custom driveshafts. Lots of choices here: http://www.frsport.com/index.php?target=catalog&mode=searchImproved&cid=45

Probably the simplest with low maintenance: http://www.frsport.com/Quaife-QDH1Y-ATB-Differential-Impreza-AWD-Front-WRX-not-STi-_p_29140.html

But I'm still learning Subarus !

FFRSpec72
06-10-2014, 11:05 AM
Most people say a Torsen/Quaife type helical gear is best on a front diff....but since the front diff becomes a rear diff in our case maybe a Cusco or other clutch/plate type is best. "Best" does depend on your usage. A clutch/plate type will need rebuilding every year or two, Torsen/Quaife do not, they are pretty much maintenance free except for changing the oil.

Did you get your diff fixed yet ? We found the problem with my challenge car 15 min before the race on Sunday a it was a bad 12v connection and thus shutting down the engine.