SixStarCars' 818R - NASA ST3 - SCCA Solo X Prepared Build Thread

[SixStar]

Nice shot... looks great! (still trying to dig the pink, though :confused:). Will the intake fit there with the body on, or is that just for g-carting?

Not the final intake mounting location, that was done in about 2 minutes.

[SixStar]

What's the tab that sticks up just underneath the Sparco lettering?

Mount for the "trunk" Tried to not have the requisite 47 hood pins.

[Scargo]

I like the CAI location. Finally, somebody using the side vents for something. Can't dig on the pink. Carry on.

[Brando]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM

Ain't nobody got time for dat!
hah that was classic

[Kurk818]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxwbhkDjZM

Wise guy eh? :)

[SixStar]

I like the CAI location. Finally, somebody using the side vents for something. Can't dig on the pink. Carry on.

This is Keith's office assistant. He's in the hospital, he had a heart attack. Turns out the shock of you FINALLY saying something that wasn't negative just pushed him over the edge even with the slam at the end. Don't worry scrote, you'll smile one day and learn not to hate.

[RM1SepEx]

I'll be praying for a speedy recovery, God bless...

[Brando]

That's intense. I wish him a speedy recovery. Get better soon Keith!!

[wleehendrick]

I think/hope that was a joke on Keith's part.

[bstuke]

Have they even allowed it in XP yet? From what I know 2015 will be E-mod.

Yep.

[Brando]

If your joking it might be nice to clarify that

[iWire]

Turns out the shock of you FINALLY saying something that wasn't negative just pushed him over the edge even with the slam at the end.

I'm guessing he's fine. ;)

[Santiago]

This is Keith's office assistant. He's in the hospital, he had a heart attack. Turns out the shock of you FINALLY saying something that wasn't negative just pushed him over the edge even with the slam at the end. Don't worry scrote, you'll smile one day and learn not to hate.

Now we're having fun again! =)

Pretty sure that was a joke...good one too. C'mon Glyn, you've got to admit that was damn funny.

Best,
-j

[Scargo]

I didn't know I could bring on a heart attack. I like to think that I had a little help.
Too bad Keith missed my other positive comment, "I like the plumbing work." and an off-hand compliment when I said "I don't think you are delusional." I do like the blue color, BTW!
Might just be SEMA looming. Poor guy.
I promise to lay off. Get better soon.

[Mechie3]

I lol'd. :D

[SixStar]

http://imgur.com/a/xpmCy#0

[STiPWRD]

http://imgur.com/a/xpmCy#0

That killer B oil pan sure is dangling below the frame, you worried about speed bumps at all?

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[Boog]

http://imgur.com/a/xpmCy#0

Thanks for the pictures. There are several angles from underneath, like the motor mount pic, that aren't normally posted.

What tubes are you using for the lateral links? They look very slick.

[SixStar]

That killer B oil pan sure is dangling below the frame, you worried about speed bumps at all?

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If there's a speed bump on a race track I've got much larger concerns.

[SixStar]

Thanks for the pictures. There are several angles from underneath, like the motor mount pic, that aren't normally posted.

What tubes are you using for the lateral links? They look very slick.

Welcome. They're the standard cheap FleeBay chinese 6 piece kit with some fancy powder coat is all.

[SixStar]

Also, yeah I'm ok. It was a bad joke.

Here's the requested video of some neighborhood lapping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7PqmpPMuxo&feature=youtu.be

[STiPWRD]

If there's a speed bump on a race track I've got much larger concerns.

Ha forgot this was the R. Maybe it's an optical illusion but just looked like that pan was going to be 1" off the ground.

[Rasmus]

The location of the brake bias valve gives me ideas.

[Brando]

Now we're having fun again! =)

Pretty sure that was a joke...good one too. C'mon Glyn, you've got to admit that was damn funny.

Best,
-j

Guess who is gullable.
<--- this guy!

[SixStar]

guess who is gullable.
<--- this guy!


Sorry!!!!

[SixStar]

The location of the brake bias valve gives me ideas.

I can turn down the rear circuit only this way. The front locks way before the rear does, but when that changes I can dial it back a bit. WORST case I have to redo one line and I can put another in the front.

[FFRSpec72]

I can turn down the rear circuit only this way. The front locks way before the rear does, but when that changes I can dial it back a bit. WORST case I have to redo one line and I can put another in the front.

Same location as in my challenge car, will be putting the one that came with the kit in the rear (since its just a splice in the line running down console and if needed will install one on front. There is not a lot of console space as I have the emergency brake there, shifter, bias valve and fire extinguisher pull, no room for cup holder in the R

[Frank818]

http://imgur.com/a/xpmCy#0

5th pic from top. I see what seems to be fuel lines coming from over the tank and making a 300-deg back into the engine bay. There is enough space to route them there after the panels are on?

[SixStar]

5th pic from top. I see what seems to be fuel lines coming from over the tank and making a 300-deg back into the engine bay. There is enough space to route them there after the panels are on?

Acres. The body is 6-8" away from the frame right here, hell you could route the intake back into the area above the fuel tank if you wanted.

This is semi-temporary. I don't like that if I was to get blasted in the side right there it could cut a fuel line. Worst case scenario I know but I'm going to move them after SEMA. Right now everything is being done fast, simple, and shiny. There will be a 2.0.

[longislandwrx]

Car is looking nice. Wish I could make it to SEMA, seems like 2014 is the year of the 818.

[Frank818]

Tnx for the info, Keith, that gives me a new perspective I wasn't yet aware of!

[SixStar]

Car is looking nice. Wish I could make it to SEMA, seems like 2014 is the year of the 818.

12 had two from FFR I think, then they had two more in 13 plus Wayne's car and the RHD SOHC Wilwood car. I'm sure FFR will have the new red one there and mine, any more that we know of?

[JAubin]

Looks like Erik will have his 818E there, the red R is now metallic grey it appears. https://www.factoryfive.com/whats-new/factory-five-sema-2014-sneak-peek/

[SixStar]

Looks like Erik will have his 818E there, the red R is now metallic grey it appears. https://www.factoryfive.com/whats-new/factory-five-sema-2014-sneak-peek/

Is that the EV West car or another 818E?

[longislandwrx]

Yes the EV car, I'm guessing the hard top prototype will likely be there

[SixStar]

BTW the car will be in booth 22957 AEM Intakes if I never said that. I'll be wandering around, the guy with the beard.

[RM1SepEx]

Yes the EV car, I'm guessing the hard top prototype will likely be there

I don't think the hard top is ready yet...

[07FIREBLADE]

Hardtop is about 8-10 months out according to a phone call last week to ffr. Had to order some more parts and was curious. Perfect timing for summer next year.

[longislandwrx]

I guess we'll see soon enough.

[SixStar]

http://imgur.com/a/SkYqC#0

[SixStar]

Always take time to smile and have a little fun. Here's one of my methods (if you don't get these don't feel bad).

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[Mechie3]

I see you're recovering well from your heart attack.



:D

[Rasmus]

The Buzz Lightyear Meme reminds of posting welds on the internet.

Suddenly everyone's an AWS Certified Welder in GTAW, GMAW, FCAW, and EXW (Explosion welding). With 25 years of experience. Nothing you post is ever good enough and you might as well be hot gluing **** together.

[Scargo]

Now you've made me feel bad.

[Mechie3]

We're all just here to have fun and build cars.

[Scargo]

... Suddenly everyone's an AWS Certified Welder in GTAW, GMAW, FCAW, and EXW (Explosion welding). With 25 years of experience. Nothing you post is ever good enough and you might as well be hot gluing **** together.
I resemble that! My handle on Amazon is "I know everything!" I'm an expert on hot gluing or HMA's, too. There's clear, amber, straw colored, etc. and they all have their different applications. EVA is the best for steel and aluminum. Don't forget "JB Weld"...:cool:

[longislandwrx]

Suddenly everyone's an AWS Certified Welder in GTAW, GMAW, FCAW, and EXW (Explosion welding). With 25 years of experience. Nothing you post is ever good enough and you might as well be hot gluing **** together.

the internet only tolerates Toxicfab quality or GTFO.

[SixStar]

Done' ish.

Loaded, headed to SEMA in 10 hours. Booth 22957 AEM Intakes right between Ford and GM. Come say hi.

http://imgur.com/a/4EopL#0

[nkw8181]

Ok that is sexy! I may "borrow"your two tone color scheme! In a few months that is.

[Mechie3]

So fancy. Lol!

[SixStar]

Ok that is sexy! I may "borrow"your two tone color scheme! In a few months that is.

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[metalmaker12]

How's your heart now!!!

[Santiago]

Very cool! Nice to see a different paint scheme - looks great! Enjoy SEMA!!

Best,
-j

[Scargo]

I like the yellow and black combo and the quality of the paint job look quite good. I'm sure it will draw admirers at SEMA.

[Mechie3]

I think you killed Keith. ;)

I'm considering stealing the theme too but with blue and something else.

[Frank818]

I'm late to the party but I'm impressed. Very impressed. Your aggressive front end is what I was looking for, a way to make the front look more aggressive. It just gave me an idea for when I'll be there (mid 2015 I guess).

[Rasmus]

Looking good man. See you, in person, tomorrow.

[Mechie3]

http://imgur.com/a/4EopL#8
http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii352/BIGWH33L/VEYRON02_zps815f39fc.jpg

[SixStar]

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Reminder, Matt designed the car, I just bolted things together.

[longislandwrx]

looks good. nice job getting it all done.

[Mechie3]

Reminder, Matt designed the car, I just did all the hard work.

Fixed that for you. ;)

[SixStar]

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All tucked in.

[Brando]

That looks awesome. See you tomorrow

[FFRSpec72]

That looks awesome. See you tomorrow

Same here, looking forward to seeing the car in person

[longislandwrx]

you guys branching out?


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[Scargo]

Six Star 818s are WHEY better.

[Hindsight]

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[wleehendrick]

I have Volkl Supersport Five Star skis; I always wanted the Six Star (their top model).

[apexanimal]

^ still miss my supersports (evolution of the 6star)...

*end thread jack*

[coloskydiver]

I don't know if I am ready to GronkOut. I heard that it helps with low T.

[SixStar]

Resurrecting a dead thread!!!

So much has changed, the title is wrong, the plans have been thrown out..... rather than start over I'll just amend.

Here's the car as it sits today ready for more testing at the local AX in Wilmington, NC this Saturday - 53872

Current power level with a quick sea level retune - 53873

[Sgt.Gator]

Great to have you back and on track!

[SixStar]

My co-driver and setup wizard took the AEM Intakes 818R out to a local AutoCross this past weekend and ended up 1st in class with the 2nd fastest overall time of the day. I would say things are progressing nicely.

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I think we're going to go back to the 550# rear springs to keep the body off the tires and make use of the additional AOA we dialed in.

[Rasmus]

I don't know why you would rub....

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Yep that'd do it.:D

[Mitch Wright]

What size tires are you running? looks like the rear tires stick out from under the fender wells.

[SixStar]

255/40-17 in front and 285/30-18 in back (measures to a 305)

At some point after about a decade of autocross you stop trying to fit tires UNDER a car and instead just fit them ON the car. You should have seen these wheels on my 04 WRX.

[Frank818]

Is it possible you uprated the wrap colors? I can't recall the side sails where black. What's the latest pix you got straight from the side, front, back and top (if any)?
For a long time I wanted to copy your black hood schema, on blue instead of yellow for me.

[SixStar]

Is it possible you uprated the wrap colors? I can't recall the side sails where black. What's the latest pix you got straight from the side, front, back and top (if any)?
For a long time I wanted to copy your black hood schema, on blue instead of yellow for me.

Negative. It's pretty much the same as it's been since SEMA 2014. With the addition of AEM Electronics officially the door logo is going to change soon, and a few sponsors dropped but that's all I have planned.

Here's the original rendering from Matthew @ AEM - 54154

And here's how she sits - 54155 54156

[Frank818]

Excellent pix! Gives me ideas. Not an easy wrap when doing multiple colors but I'm surely going to do something on that hood.

[SixStar]

Some more great pictures from the event last weekend - http://imgur.com/a/KRI4h

[Kurk818]

Looks fantastic! How are your intake temps doing with the IC in back?

[Rasmus]

http://i.imgur.com/U8YJidv.jpg
You are so close to two-wheeling it. Amazing and inspiring.

[Frank818]

Yeah it looks almost on 2 wheels!
Front sway bar installed or not?

[SixStar]

I'll post a log of the run later for the intake temps. It was only a 21 second course so it's not very telling to be honest.

That picture is slightly misleading. There was a HUGE elevation change in this lot. This was the most extreme downhill off camber turn in the course so it looks crazy. But really there is a massive amount of grip with the new setup, it really does handle amazing.

[Tamra]

I've 2 wheeled an NA miata before :) Heck, I've even got a photo of lifting a front tire under acceleration. With the right elevation change + Hoosier grip, it can create some EPIC photo moments. I imagine with the 818's power and grip that it will lead to even more tricycle/bicycle moments.

The car looks fantastic. I bet you get a ton of attention at autocross with it! Are you tracking the car too? I only ask because technically the wing you are running is not legal for E-Mod in autocross. Most people won't care, especially locally, but just wanted to give you a heads up in case you decide to pursue national level competition.

[SixStar]

I've 2 wheeled an NA miata before :) Heck, I've even got a photo of lifting a front tire under acceleration. With the right elevation change + Hoosier grip, it can create some EPIC photo moments. I imagine with the 818's power and grip that it will lead to even more tricycle/bicycle moments.

The car looks fantastic. I bet you get a ton of attention at autocross with it! Are you tracking the car too? I only ask because technically the wing you are running is not legal for E-Mod in autocross. Most people won't care, especially locally, but just wanted to give you a heads up in case you decide to pursue national level competition.

Your the second person to mention the wing but I can't find a single rule where it wouldn't be allowed. Do you have something you could post?

Here's the bit about aero

18.0.C. Aerodynamics
The area of a wing shall be computed by multiplying the width and depth of
the wing assembly (top view) without regard to the curvature and/or inclination
of the wing or number of elements. Any airfoil shadowed by another
airfoil with more than six inches between them will have its own projected
area added to the wing area calculation. Any diffuser-type aerodynamic device
under the car which is used in downforce generation is not included in
the wing area calculation. This specification supersedes Section 12, Wing
Area Computation, for these classes.

It's not nearly large enough to exceed the 20^ft max.

18.1.F.1 maybe?

[Tamra]

Hey thanks for asking. The rulebook can be tough to filter through. The following section covers the aerodynamic allowances for EM cars. Part C specifically prohibits wings, and part A and B list out what is allowed - basically a 10" ducktail with side plates.

18.1 MODIFIED PRODUCTION-BASED CARS
F. Aerodynamic Aids
4. Rear spoilers
a. If a rear spoiler is used, it shall be mounted to the rear hatch, deck,
or trunk lid, and mount no further forward than the base of the rear
window. The spoiler extension for the entire spoiler is set by one
measurement at the lateral midpoint of the car. At that point, the
spoiler may not extend more than 10.0” (25.4 cm) from the attachment
point out to the outer or free edge. This sets the maximum
height above ground at all other locations on the spoiler. The result
may be a flat topped rather than contoured spoiler. Alternatively, the
spoiler may be mounted at the rear of the roof, or to the rear hatch
lid at or near the top of the hatch; in such a configuration the spoiler
may extend no more than 7.5” (19.1 cm) from the original bodywork,
measured as described above. The spoiler angle of attack is free. The
rear spoiler is measured from leading, attached edge to trailing or
outermost, free edge. Its measurement is independent of its angle of
attack.
b. The spoiler may not be wider than the rear bodywork, measured as
the maximum distance between the outside edges of the wheel well
openings or fender flares at axle height. The total fore-to-aft curvature
or deviation of the rear spoiler, measured at the trailing edge,
shall not exceed 10.0” (25.4 cm) as viewed from above.
c. Aerodynamic aids permitted in Section 18.1.F shall not function as
wings. Therefore, the spoiler may not overhang the bodywork such
that air passes both over and underneath it. If the rear spoiler overhangs
the side of the car, the lower edge of the spoiler shall be supported
by bodywork that will prevent air from passing underneath
the spoiler. This may be accomplished by extending the spoiler to
join the bodywork or wheel opening/fender flare beneath the overhang.

[Rasmus]

The SCCA Solo rulebook is fairly straightforward...

unless you're in the Modified Classes. They skip all over the rulebook. E Mod and D Mod are particularly bad, with A Mod being the worst of all. For as clear as the SCCA can write rules for Solo you'd think they'd just do a complete overhaul of the Modified Classes consolidating everything into one chapter.

[SixStar]

My aero guy and I have discussed this in length and we're not sure where the 818R fits in the letter of the rules regarding the rear wing. It's not a production based car so technically some of the rules don't apply. Also the GTC300 wing is offered as an optional extra (and highly recommended by FFR) for the 818R from the factory so it's a "factory optional accessory" by that logic.

In the end someone would have to show up at a national event and beat Jeff (not ever going to happen, ever, no really, never) before it would ever be on anyone's radar.

I know the SEB made an exception this year for the 818R/S and in the same line they banned the Exocet from having a wing. Maybe that's where the confusion is.

Side note; you LOVE busting my balls Tamara. :D

[Tamra]

My aero guy and I have discussed this in length and we're not sure where the 818R fits in the letter of the rules regarding the rear wing. It's not a production based car so technically some of the rules don't apply. Also the GTC300 wing is offered as an optional extra (and highly recommended by FFR) for the 818R from the factory so it's a "factory optional accessory" by that logic.

In the end someone would have to show up at a national event and beat Jeff (not ever going to happen, ever, no really, never) before it would ever be on anyone's radar.

I know the SEB made an exception this year for the 818R/S and in the same line they banned the Exocet from having a wing. Maybe that's where the confusion is.

Side note; you LOVE busting my balls Tamara. :D

Someone has got to! :) You're a leading example of the 818 in the community, with a beautiful car.

The next section of the rule book states:
6. If the factory production car was supplied with tunnels or wings, they
may remain but they must be blocked in a safe manner to prevent them
from functioning to provide downforce. For example, foam or sheet
metal may be firmly attached in tunnels or on wings to ruin their shape
or to stop airflow.

I would take that to mean that no wing is permitted, even if provided from the factory. I don't think it would fly, even as an optional accessory.

However, you make a good point that likelihood of being protested is low based on the 818's current competitiveness. However, E-Mod has a fantastic race for 2nd place at nationals, and you actually have a shot at EMod wins on this side of the country at national events (well, there is that Jeep that could be tough to beat), so I could see a protest being filed if you are competitive whatsoever. The big wing is a huge advantage and would be unfair to other people abiding by the rules... if you start winning.

Anyway, the wing looks great and as long as you continue to just compete locally I'm sure it will never be a problem.

[SixStar]

Thanks for the kind words!

For grins I think I'll pull it off at the Darlington event and just see what happens!

[SixStar]

Looks like Darlington is out, myself and the AEM Intakes 818R will be attending Wicked Big Meet!!! WOOT!!

So happy to represent GrimmSpeed by showing a car in their booth. Much excite.

Also: moar pictures from the last AX:

http://imgur.com/a/AqAr9

[RM1SepEx]

Tamra, the FFR 818R&S are NOT Production based cars... time to ask the powers that be in SCCA, they have been very responsive to me in the past when I did all the tech stuff for our club

Edit, just re-read the rules... Tamra looks to be correct based on what is written there... If you read the rules we are getting a break being allowed to run DM or EM and by the letter of the rules we could easily be AM since we are not production based and were not built for a particular racing rule set like the Formula Fords etc... I think we can run the stock options from FFR like the lip spoiler, side extensions and front splitter. The rear diffuser is questionable as I've read it... :(

[SixStar]

Tamra, the FFR 818R&S are NOT Production based cars... time to ask the powers that be in SCCA, they have been very responsive to me in the past when I did all the tech stuff for our club

Edit, just re-read the rules... Tamra looks to be correct based on what is written there... If you read the rules we are getting a break being allowed to run DM or EM and by the letter of the rules we could easily be AM since we are not production based and were not built for a particular racing rule set like the Formula Fords etc... I think we can run the stock options from FFR like the lip spoiler, side extensions and front splitter. The rear diffuser is questionable as I've read it... :(

But...

Based on wind tunnel testing, this race-version splitter produces a significant amount of additional downforce at speed, and in order to achieve a safe and effective balance, we highly recommend using it in conjunction with our 26095 Road Race Wing. If the race-version splitter is used with no additional rear downforce, your car may exhibit a significant oversteer tendency at higher speeds.

Please note, while a rear diffuser does also create rear downforce, its effect is more even along the length of the car and does not sufficiently balance the race-version splitter.

It'll be interesting to see how an 818 does at AX when it's built for AX. My car is NOT an AX car it just happens to have a few of the ingredients that make it a good AX car. In the end there's not a single thing out there that's going to dethrone Jeff, not without corporate sponsorship.

[Tamra]

Custom front splitters, rear ducktail (not wing), and diffusers are all permitted in E-modified as long as they fit the rules. Not sure about the FFR side skirts.

[fastfox]

Maybe build a bigger version of the "street" spoiler that FFR offers??? Build it up to the letter of the rules and see how it does?

[Zach34]

What kind of speeds are you seeing, though? Isn't most aero marginal below 60 mph? And how many corners do you see at 60+ mph on an autox course where you actually need the downforce? Most of the auto-x-specific spoilers I've seen resemble billboards to be more effective at lower speeds, I presume. I think FFR's recommendation about the splitter/wing balance is for track speeds - like 100+. I bet you only see a small effect from the wing in autox.

[SixStar]

Old video, short course, fast car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4O9-RoRgFg

[SixStar]

After a failed attempt at ONE last event she's in the garage and I've started on the next phase of the build.

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ID1000s are going away, as are the Perrin rails and the Crawford AOS. Going to redo some boost pipes, more thermal management, and more importantly address the woefully inadequate in tank pump and fuel tank configuration.

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To be continued...




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[Hindsight]

Why failed?

[SixStar]

Why failed?

It was 12F out. Car wouldn't start (E85), shocks wouldn't work, tires were rocks, driver was a mess.

It would have gone straight into a wall for sure.

[walt555]

I look forward to seeing the next phase of your build!

[Hindsight]

That'll do it! Not sure what kind of tires you are running but a lot of the super soft ones (R compound usually) are junk if they are even exposed to temps below freezing. You probably know that though.

[SixStar]

That'll do it! Not sure what kind of tires you are running but a lot of the super soft ones (R compound usually) are junk if they are even exposed to temps below freezing. You probably know that though.

I run BFG R1Ss and yeah I knew they would be junk. They're not going back on course next season so it was going to be a send off.

The car was 80F when I loaded it in the trailer and it cooled to 32F by the time I made it to the track. Even plugged in with my potato it wouldn't come to temp. 12F is no joke! The street cars that were there we're all Ken Blocking all over the course.

Potato, because someone will ask!

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[longislandwrx]

Get yourself one of these guys and a tarp to wrap your canopy.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200578248_200578248

just don't set your stuff on fire.


love my hero... even if you don't use it for racing I use mine all the time for outdoor projects.

[SixStar]

I've opted to just forgo any events under 40F :D

It's a big motorcycle at this point.

[SixStar]

She's officially under the knife (wrench) for version 2.5. Not nearly enough time to get everything done that I had planned over the winter but this will be a nice middle step for the 2017 season.

http://imgur.com/a/OHIlW

Updating the fuel system with ID1050X injectors, IAG TGV deletes, IAG rails and lines, IAG Competition Series AOS. Some thermal management, new wheels, and an exciting new plug and play Speed Density conversion harness from iWire (more on this later)

[SixStar]

Another weekend, a LOT more done.

http://imgur.com/a/g0J35

Should be able to button everything up this weekend and get started on the splitter and spoiler

[SixStar]

Tried my hand at some aero arts and crafts using Alumalite. Great material, very easy to work with!

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[Scargo]

That's good stuff from what I've heard. Will it be stiff enough in 1/4" thickness for a splitter? I saw earlier pic of intercooler in the back. Is it staying there and is it working OK there? What kind of temp drop do you get?

[biknman]

Howdy from Charm City! Where did y'all get the Alumalite from?
TNX Dave

[SixStar]

That's good stuff from what I've heard. Will it be stiff enough in 1/4" thickness for a splitter? I saw earlier pic of intercooler in the back. Is it staying there and is it working OK there? What kind of temp drop do you get?

It's very ridged. Even as the full 4'x8' sheet I couldn't get more than a few MM of deflection.

The intercooler has been there since day 0, I love it. I think the best thing ever was when we were tuning the car and my buddy asked, "Are you sure this has a Subaru engine in it? Your ECT and IATs are way too low seeing as how we just made a 24 pound pull!"

We actually had to stop shutting the car off as it was getting too cold between pulls!

[SixStar]

Howdy from Charm City! Where did y'all get the Alumalite from?
TNX Dave

Any local sign shop should be able to get it. Plan on $100-$120 depending.

[SixStar]

Deleted my dipstick after the failure, needed a vent. Got clever with some leftover intake manifold bits. Free.99!

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[Canadian818]

Deleted my dipstick after the failure, needed a vent. Got clever with some leftover intake manifold bits. Free.99!

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What failed? And why do you feel the diff housing needs a vent?

[Mechie3]

His dipstick broke and dropped into the trans. He deleted the dipstick and plugged the dipstick port with an NPT fitting. The dipstick is a combo dipstick/vent so with that plugged he needed to vent it somewhere. He posted pics on FB.

[DSR-3]

re. the pigtail vent hose; Long ago I tried that on a Hewland Mk9. It filled with oil, which created enough restriction to cause the seals to leak. A different animal, but worth considering. As I recall I just pointed the tube rearward (270deg curl vs 360) so it couldn't fill and was leak free (at least from the gearbox!).

[SixStar]

re. the pigtail vent hose; Long ago I tried that on a Hewland Mk9. It filled with oil, which created enough restriction to cause the seals to leak. A different animal, but worth considering. As I recall I just pointed the tube rearward (270deg curl vs 360) so it couldn't fill and was leak free (at least from the gearbox!).

Good to know!

Was there fluid in that part of the box I'm assuming? There's really nothing going on in the back of our box so I'm hoping it's a non issue.

[SixStar]

his dipstick broke and dropped into the trans. He deleted the dipstick and plugged the dipstick port with an npt fitting. The dipstick is a combo dipstick/vent so with that plugged he needed to vent it somewhere. He posted pics on fb.

fact!

[SixStar]

Last night was fairly productive - http://imgur.com/a/WaDhj

First start up this morning, she idles perfect, few more bits to bolt back on then back to the dyno for tuning.

Also, for anyone wanting to keep their turbo bolted down forever - https://www.full-race.com/store/turbos/full-race-m10-inconel-t3-t4-turbo-hardware-kit.html/

Amazing kit.

[SixStar]

Put in some dyno time today. Pretty pleased with the results.

http://imgur.com/NEs55vd.jpg

http://imgur.com/ppKPNLJ.jpg

[Canadian818]

Wow! Nice numbers! Can't wait to see video of it on track. I also have the full-race stud kit for my turbo, no testing yet but I hear good things.

[Speedy G]

Going back a few days in the thread... The dipstick is definitely the vent for the gearbox. The subarugears guys do a reverse crown and pinion kit for rear engine vehicles (porsche and VWs with subie trannies). When you reverse the crown, you have to block the dipstick otherwise you'll get oil flying all over the place. To replace the vent through the dipstick, they drill a hole closer to the center differential. Check out the following video, from minute 9:00, also the exact location of the new vent is shown in minute 9:40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yncdDekf0A8

Very cool dyno btw. Hopefully it's reliable.

Speedy G

[SixStar]

I confirmed my idea with the SubaruGears guys before I did it. Worked fine yesterday and there was definitely some heat generated.

As for the power, it will rarely be run at this level. I currently only have it set for "The Beans" at the top of 3rd, 4th, and 5th. BBG on the COBB AP is pretty slick!

Bonus from the dyno session, proof that the RMIC works as a heat exchanger even with no airflow (car was on the dyno backwards)

http://i.imgur.com/7DNTgsJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jPaaSMi.jpg

[SixStar]

DIY splitter DONE! Also good to about 200#, tested.

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[ben1272]

Would you share some of the details of your DIY splitter? I have a 1/2" plywood splitter on my car right now an think with some fiberglass cloth and resin it might be good enough for my non-track (i.e. aesthetic) purposes. Curious how/what you did? If you already covered it, just say and I'll dig back through to find.

Thanks!

-Ben

[SixStar]

Would you share some of the details of your DIY splitter? I have a 1/2" plywood splitter on my car right now an think with some fiberglass cloth and resin it might be good enough for my non-track (i.e. aesthetic) purposes. Curious how/what you did? If you already covered it, just say and I'll dig back through to find.

Thanks!

-Ben

I build better than I document. Short version; 4x8 sheet of Alumalite, used the vestigal FFR splitter as template but extended it to the battery compartment, cut for the 255s, mounted some hangers, had to make a jack point also.

Here's a bunch of pictures first - http://imgur.com/a/lRLyu

[ben1272]

It looks good, and is obviously strong, nice job.

[EODTech87]

What thickness was the Alumalite?

How does it compare to the FFR splitter when it comes to weight?

[SixStar]

What thickness was the Alumalite?

How does it compare to the FFR splitter when it comes to weight?

I used 1/4" for this. It's heavier for sure, I have not weighed it.

I can say this, it's proven to be able to hold 191lbs. more than the last one...

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[jmccabe]

Lol !

[EODTech87]

Did you look into dibond? Any reason why you choose alumalite over it?

[SixStar]

Did you look into dibond? Any reason why you choose alumalite over it?

It's what my local sign shop had. Aren't they just different brand names for the exact same product?

[SixStar]

Some AX fun from this past weekend.

The car needs tires, bad.

https://youtu.be/ecEVRAduH0E

[EODTech87]

The dibond is solid core so they tend to be thinner and also run cheaper.

[SixStar]

The dibond is solid core so they tend to be thinner and also run cheaper.

Interesting. Some quick research shows it being about 5-6lbs heavier in a 3mm thickness and costing about 50% more. It would be pretty slick to do an apples to apples comparison on strength vs. thickness and throw cost into the mix.

[Scargo]

Interesting. Some quick research shows it being about 5-6lbs heavier in a 3mm thickness and costing about 50% more. It would be pretty slick to do an apples to apples comparison on strength vs. thickness and throw cost into the mix.The laminated aluminum sheets, which are typically used as durable signage are called a number of things.
Alumilite seems commonly used by racers. Often 2 axis CNC cut to shape. Up to 1/2" thick, I believe.

http://www.multipaneluk.co.uk/products/sign-materials/aluminium-coil-and-sheet/
http://www.laminatorsinc.com/sites/www.laminatorsinc.com/files/documents/Sign-Panel-Colors.pdf
http://www.nudo.com/Sign-Panels/Functional/PolyMetal.aspx
http://www.nudo.com/Sign-Panels/Designed-Performance/AlumaCorr.aspx
http://dragonplate.com/default.asp
http://www.grimco.com/Products.aspx?cid=0198&pid=00408 MAX-metal and AlumaCorr

[SixStar]

I'm thinking of building a CNC router to cut out some different versions for testing and destruction.

[SixStar]

New tires! More Grip!!

https://youtu.be/5dWTh6CllZM

[SixStar]

Boxerfest AX - went VERY well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym6r_yyNB6s&feature=youtu.be

[longislandwrx]

looks like great weather, nice run!

[wmaurojr]

I think my sister was at an Autocross event you were at--the Farm Complex in Harrisburg. I got a picture text with your car in it and told her to creepily check your license plate. Any chance you're entering the one at Pocono this weekend? I could come check out your car (my first in-person 818) under the guise of "supporting my sister"...

[SixStar]

I think my sister was at an Autocross event you were at--the Farm Complex in Harrisburg. I got a picture text with your car in it and told her to creepily check your license plate. Any chance you're entering the one at Pocono this weekend? I could come check out your car (my first in-person 818) under the guise of "supporting my sister"...

I was at the SUSQ AX - https://youtu.be/ecEVRAduH0E

I won't go that far for an AX, but there is another one this Sunday at the Farm Show again. I might go, need to work on the on power turn in.

[SixStar]

Always a work in progress. Saved some space with a new expansion tank too.

http://imgur.com/a/7EaqN

[SixStar]

Hmm, something is brewing around here....

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[EODTech87]

Stop teasing us and spill the beans.

[SixStar]

Omelets and eggs

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[Scargo]

Round steak and shelled peas?

[Frank818]

Scrambled eggs, looks like.

[biknman]

Any updates?

[SixStar]

Any updates?

On what? The broken transmission?

Still broken. The car just sits now, it's not great for anything and being ok at a few things means it's not my primary focus anymore.

[longislandwrx]

it's not great for anything and being ok at a few things means it's not my primary focus anymore.

Savage level 100.

[phil1734]

The car just sits now, it's not great for anything and being ok at a few things means it's not my primary focus anymore.

Just sold mine and couldn't sum up the owner experience any better. It was tons of fun on the AutoX course, but pretty useless everywhere else.

[Mechie3]

it's not great for anything and being ok at a few things means it's not my primary focus anymore.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/5VKbvrjxpVJCM/giphy.gif

[SixStar]

Legit though, not saying anything that hasn't been said before. They're kinda meh once you get them built and sorted. At this point I'm looking at massive amounts of frame and body changes to make it work as well as several other off the shelf offerings. Frustrating to say the least, especially considering the time and money invested into getting it to meh status.

A little planning and some better engineering would have made these cars much nicer from day one IMHO.

Anyone want to just buy mine? Make you a smoking deal on the car, the spares, all my extra racing junk and even the enclosed trailer to haul it away with!

[Sgt.Gator]

Post it up in the cars for sale forum....

[phil1734]

Legit though, not saying anything that hasn't been said before. They're kinda meh once you get them built and sorted. At this point I'm looking at massive amounts of frame and body changes to make it work as well as several other off the shelf offerings. Frustrating to say the least, especially considering the time and money invested into getting it to meh status.

A little planning and some better engineering would have made these cars much nicer from day one IMHO.

As also said before, it's particularly frustrating given that most of the issues would have cost no more time or money to design and manufacture properly the first time.

I truly think FFR bit off more than they meant to with the 818. Designing a car for a younger, generally more educated crowd got them in over their head pretty quick. The rat-rod/shade-tree mechanic mentality they have in that if it works (regardless of how well or reliably) it ships just doesn't fly with the Subaru/Tuner/Engineer crowd. As one of them, we want and expect bolt together, plug and play reliability for 100,000+ miles. Not weekends full of constant maintenance, tweaking, diagnosing and compromising.

The 818 shows about the same level of engineering competency I'd expect from a first year FSAE team. Not an organized company that's been doing this for nearly 25 years.

[Mechie3]

Agree with both of the posts above. It's fun for what it is, but there are several things that make me scratch my head. Minus the body I haven't completed, it was fun to build for the most part. Took a ride in one the other day. It'd make a fun autocrosser or around town driver but I don't want to put in the money to make it a track car. I can get an open wheel car for less. One of the first things that tipped me off was the instructions to drill a 1/4" clearance hole for a 1/4" bolt. Nope. Smallest should be .257, free fit is .266.

I can't complain too much. I have access to a machine shop to fix whatever I want and I've made a decent buck selling upgrades to the 818. I don't have plans to sell mine anytime soon.

[Mitch Wright]

I am of a different opinion for me the car has been a great track car for what I have in it. It is quicker than 90% of cars I have been on track with costing much more. It has been pretty much trouble free and is easy on consumables. Plus I have had the enjoyment of sorting the car out, part of the fun for me.. I guess it really comes down to expectations, building a fun, light weight track car was my goal and I feel it has met that goal.

[SixStar]

Post it up in the cars for sale forum....

The trouble is the #racetozero crowd has pretty much set the price of all of these cars at $25k no matter what's been done to them. That's a MASSIVE hit I'm simply not willing to take. I'd rather it sit under a cover for a year (which it has at this point) then dump it for 25% of the parts cost. I have a walk away price (with all the spares, wheels, truck, trailer, everything) and so far no one has come close.

[Sgt.Gator]

The trouble is the #racetozero crowd has pretty much set the price of all of these cars at $25k no matter what's been done to them. That's a MASSIVE hit I'm simply not willing to take. I'd rather it sit under a cover for a year (which it has at this point) then dump it for 25% of the parts cost. I have a walk away price (with all the spares, wheels, truck, trailer, everything) and so far no one has come close.

Actually it's less than that. I bought Brandos for much less.