Brando's Newbie 818R Build Thread

[FFRSpec72]

SB100 is only a piece of the REF's BAR Specially Constructed Vehicle inspection


I assume you got through all this under the SEMA Bill (Kit Car declaration) that CA has in place and you will use the SB100 to get by the emissions testing ?

The WA law states the following for windshields (I don't have one on my challenge car):

1) All motor vehicles operated on the public highways of this state shall be equipped with a front windshield manufactured of safety glazing materials for use in motor vehicles in accordance with RCW 46.37.430 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.37.430), except, however, on such vehicles not so equipped or where windshields are not in use, the operators of such vehicles shall wear glasses, goggles, or face shields pursuant to RCW 46.37.530 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.37.530)(1)(b).

[Brando]

Leaving in 1 hour to Buttonwillow Raceway to redeem my last failed visit.

Requirements:

Return home safely to my family

Goals:

Stay on the track
Run a lap < 2:00
Run all 5 sessions without breaking down

Long term goal:

Long term goal at this track is to run < 1:50 but that is pretty darn fast. I use this particular video as my benchmark (lotus 2-eleven running a 1:50) running buttonwillow configuration 13cw. I have this video memorized :)



http://youtu.be/FPiTem_EZpE


Have I even mentioned how bad a** my trailer is! It gets chicks.

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[Rasmus]

May your lap times be low and break downs be minor.

[C.Plavan]

No pressure, but that Lotus can probably drop another 3 seconds due to the new pavement laid down in July :) What AOA is that on the wing? Bejezzuzzzz :)

I'm so jealous. Mine, is, almost, there.... Teaser pics will slowly start to trickle out.....

Chicks dig Uhauls driving 55mph.

[Brando]

10*
I will lower it as the day progresses. Just playing it safe

[Santiago]

Looking forward to hearing how things went. Be safe, run hard.

Best,
-j

[C.Plavan]

10*
I will lower it as the day progresses. Just playing it safe

That's smart. Have fun be safe.

[D Clary]

The way the lotus was hitting the rumble strips make me think it was a borrowed car.

[C.Plavan]

The way the lotus was hitting the rumble strips make me think it was a borrowed car.

That's just racing, no AX there :P. I'm much worse with my own car.

[metros]

Looking forward to new track videos and hearing how it went.

Good luck.

[C.Plavan]

Brandon- We are dying here. How did it go? I'm hoping EXCELLENT. Its funny, the more I see you having fun with your car, It makes me start working harder on mine.... haha.

Details! ASAP :P

[Rasmus]

The way the lotus was hitting the rumble strips make me think it was a borrowed car.
Rewatched it again. I like to hit the rumble strips myself, but this guy, he's got two wheels right off the track in at least four corners. His driving style is smooth; his line: aggressive. The tracks I've been to for HPDE would have black flagged that Lotus and talked to him for rest of his entire session about why he feels the need to get dirt and rocks all over the track.

I do respect how smooth he is. Smooth throttle. Smooth braking. Smooth steering. He's not jerking the car around trying to make it fast and thus just making it slow. Nice to see.

[metros]

Brandon- We are dying here. How did it go? I'm hoping EXCELLENT. Its funny, the more I see you having fun with your car, It makes me start working harder on mine.... haha.

Details! ASAP :P

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I've checked this thread several times hoping for updates.

[Brando]

Requirements:

Return home safely to my family Success!!

Goals:

Stay on the track Fail
Run a lap < 2:00 Success!! 1:58.1
Run all 5 sessions without breaking down Fail

Long term goal:

Long term goal at this track is to run < 1:50 but that is pretty darn fast. I use this particular video as my benchmark (lotus 2-eleven running a 1:50) running buttonwillow configuration 13cw. I have this video memorized :) Definitely attainable





The way the lotus was hitting the rumble strips make me think it was a borrowed car.

I kinda liked his lines. :) Although my one and only spin was caused from being a little aggressive on the strips.


That's just racing, no AX there :P. I'm much worse with my own car.

Me too!

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Thankfully Speed Ventures pre-grids. My first session I ran with the green advanced group (there is also a red advanced) and to my surprise I ran the quickest time session #1.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag204/tekbroker/BRANDON-ALIEN/Pictures/818/20141018_100049_zps5e20c13f.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/tekbroker/media/BRANDON-ALIEN/Pictures/818/20141018_100049_zps5e20c13f.jpg.html)

This video is my second session, which I ran 2 consecutive 1:58's before spinning out. I was pre-grided #1 so it was a totally open track. How sweet it was. The spin wasn't all that spectacular, I cut a corner a tid hard while the car was already on the edge. The only time I get this car to spin is in 3rd gear around 60MPH. Anything faster and the aero really does it's job, the car never got out of line on me besides this one instance.

Watching the video you will see there is pleanty of meat left on the bone and I see AT LEAST 5 seconds that could be shaved off this, probably more.


http://youtu.be/yyWiRMOHCAU

So much fun!

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Chad, the guys out there were saying the repave is good for 1-2 seconds off your prior time.

[Brando]

A few things come to mind looking at some pictures:

I want to take 1 degree of camber out of the rear and add one to the front. So -2F & -3R
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Loosen front suspension and tighten the rear.
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Move the L-bracket for front bumper down 1"
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[Wayne Presley]

That's very cool Brando.

BTW, invest in a driving suit, gloves, arm restraints and HANS before your next track session please!

[Wayne Presley]

You camber settings need to based on tire temps and not pics.

[mikeb75]

Great video; thanks for sharing!

But you wrote you didn't make all 5 sessions without a mechanical; what happened?

[Brando]

You camber settings need to based on tire temps and not pics.

I know you don't measure these things from pictures. That was not a very thought out comment on my part. Tire temps were at 34F 36R hot. I do still think the rear needs another -*.


That's very cool Brando.

BTW, invest in a driving suit, gloves, arm restraints and HANS before your next track session please!

I have a suit and gloves, I didn't wear them but will moving forward. HANS and arm restraints are on the list. Good looking out



Great video; thanks for sharing!

But you wrote you didn't make all 5 sessions without a mechanical; what happened?

Bro....I don't even want to say it. It's not good.

[mikeb75]

Oh no!! And you can't just keep us hanging like that.

Most important thing is you (obviously) got home safely.

[Brando]

True true. Glad to be home, getting ready to head to the pumpkin patch with the kids.

So, argh I have been biting my lip because it's so disheartening. I will just get to the bottom line. My 4th session I had bearing failure. I thought I covered every base so I must be missing something here.
The only thing I can think of is perhaps there was some damage to the bearings with the initial tune and over-boost condition I had a few weeks back. I did pull it off the track after I noticed it detonating, but maybe it was too late. I would think if that was the case I wouldn't have made it through the first 3 races, but I don't know how these motors fail....although I am learning faster than I would like.

After the race yesterday I tailored it directly to my buddy Frank at Prolific Autosport who helped me rebuild the motor. He has a long history building ej's and he was as disheartened as I was. We are taking every step possible to determine the cause. Yesterday will be the last time I race this car without safety equipment and adequate data logging. I am feeling the pain of not being able to review logs of engine vitals and because of that now have to hope there are visible signs when we pull the motor apart.

I'm trying to keep it cool and not be overwhelmed with all sorts of emotions. I guess I am allowing myself to go numb about it all.
Hopefully I pulled the car before doing any serious damage. I will have the motor apart next weekend.

I am really sorry to have to report this to you guys. Maybe there is something I am doing wrong here. Perhaps there is some silly things I am not doing right on the motor that I hope to expose to share and keep others from walking this road.

[Rasmus]

BTW, invest in a driving suit, gloves, arm restraints and HANS before your next track session please!
One of the many reasons I don't like running, or seeing anyone I like, run with Speed Ventures. They'll let you on track in an open top car with out arm restraints. They'll layout a AutoX course with a 10 foot "safety" buffer between the outside of the highest speed sweeper and a concrete curb.

Speed Ventures is the sketch.

Good to see you running Brando. =)

[mikeb75]

No apologies! You're one of the trailblazers, and we're all fortunate you've shared as much as you have.

Go; enjoy the pumpkin patch with the family, unplug and decompress. Then, when you're ready let us know what you find. Between your mechanic, yourself and everyone else here ideas will start flowing.

</end pep-talk>

[Rasmus]

I know you don't measure these things from pictures. That was not a very thought out comment on my part. Tire temps were at 34F 36R hot. I do still think the rear needs another -*.
Wayne means Tire Pyrometer Probing.
http://www.kodiakmotorsports.com/50630.jpg

Take a reading on every tire, on the outside, middle, and inside of the tread, quickly after a session. By quickly I means the first thing you do. Don't even take your helmet off. Write down your data. Push the probe into the tread. Yes, make a little hole and push the probe in about 2-3mm.

Read the temps like this. (Assume ideal tire temp is 170-180)
Outer - Middle - Inner
165 - 175 - 185 -------> too much camber, add more positive camber (or decrease caster)
155 - 180 - 185 -------> too much camber & too much pressure; add more positive camber & reduce tire pressure 2 psi
190 - 175 - 165 -------> too little camber, add more negative camber (or increase caster)
185 - 170 - 185 -------> too little pressure; add 2 psi
170 - 200 - 170 -------> too much pressure; remove 2 psi
175 - 175 - 175 -------> go get 'em Ace!
125 - 125 - 125 -------> tires too large; reduce diameter or width or both so the tread will heat up
265 - 265 - 265 -------> tires too small; increase diameter or width or both so the tread will stay within the ideal tire temp range.

[metalmaker12]

The 818 is proving to have many motor related issues, and I am just not sure a turbo ej engine is a reliable option for this car at this point. These motors have issues in the wrx platform but not as much as what's going on with our 818's. It seems almost every 818 built and driven medium- hard has had issues.

[C.Plavan]

Sorry to hear that Brandon! That sucks Buddy. I'm disappointed for you.

Did you get anything it the filter/vent tank? What oil are you using (brand/weight)?

[FFRSpec72]

Sorry to hear, any symptoms before it let loose? did you have a data logger running? I assume the block is shot ?

[sponaugle]

After the race yesterday I tailored it directly to my buddy Frank at Prolific Autosport who helped me rebuild the motor. He has a long history building ej's and he was as disheartened as I was. We are taking every step possible to determine the cause. Yesterday will be the last time I race this car without safety equipment and adequate data logging. I am feeling the pain of not being able to review logs of engine vitals and because of that now have to hope there are visible signs when we pull the motor apart.


First and foremost, congratulations on building such a great car. Indeed seeing your videos is an inspiration to many.

Tracking an EJ motor can be a taxing experience. I have had at least 8 or 10 EJ engine failures that were track related, all of interesting and different causes. Each was also a learning experience. One thing I will mention, which you also mention, is data logging. If you want to know 'what happened', you need data and lots of it. There are many many clues that can found in data that you record. You might want to consider something like the RaceCapture Pro, which is very much oriented for your kind of car and driving. It is cheap (comparatively to RacePaq, Aim, etc), has GPS, accelerometers, Yaw, plus analog and digital inputs, SD recording, dash integration, bluetooth and cellular telemetry, and a bunch of other things.. for $500. (http://www.autosportlabs.com/product/racecapturepro/)

For my track car, here is what I record:

From the ECU -
Timing, RPM, Dynamic Advance, Knock Retard, Engine Temp, Commanded AFR, MAP, STFT, Inj Duty

From the engine via sensors-
EGT, EGBP, AIT Pre and Post Intercooler, MAP, Oil Pressure front of block, Oil Pressure back of block, Oil Temp, AFR

I don't remember if you are running a subaru ECU. If so, you should 'enable' the safety features which can be done by your calibrator or yourself. If you need some tips on how to do that let me know.

What fuel were you running?

Cheers!

Jeff

[Santiago]

Good to hear back on your track report...I too was one of those thread-checking stalkers waiting to see how things went. =)

Sorry to hear about the engine woes... I know it sounds a bit harsh, but we hope that it was due to a more minor oversight rather than an intrinsic difficulty. Keep us posted.

And GET A H&N RESTRAINT! Seriously, a good one will only run you $650 or so. That's less than a set of tires you'll burn up in a weekend at an open lapping event. This should be of the highest priority.

Next, don't let your passengers grab the damn roll bar. If they need to grab something, tell them to grab the shoulder straps. That "hands outside the cockpit" thing is grounds for being black flagged at a NASA event.

Last, as Rasmus noted, I think you reported tire pressures (not temps). Ideal temps vary with tire compound, so best to talk with a tire rep. For slicks 180-220 is a good range. For streets, I don't know.

Also, if you're going to take tire temps (which is a good idea), then (a.) don't use a laser type thermometer use the probe type Rasmus showed, and (b.) if you're doing temps at a track best to come in to the hot pits right on the tail of a hot lap that's damn close to your usual pace (might want to ease off the brakes a tad, but definitely don't ease off the tires). Then go out the pits and run again or do a proper cool down. Tire temps come down fast at the surface, so unless you've got a laser on them in real time, you'll get very low temps at the surface by the time you make it into the pits (even if screaming into them - which is a no-no). A smidge under the surface and temps are less apt to drop almost instantly, so you've got time to record temps with the probe. By "time" I mean like only a few minutes. So best to have a helper just run the corners and do the temps for you. If you do a cool down lap, come into the paddock, then get out/grab your probe (yaddah-yaddah), you're not getting clean and reliable data. You're aiming for "hot temps" as close to what you'd see on track.

Best,
-j

[longislandwrx]

looking good out there, at least pick up a helmet support.

http://www.saferacer.com/sparco-racing-karting-anatomic-helmet-support-collar?gclid=CJ2k47ehu8ECFUkF7AodLRAAUA

I imagine money's tight now after the third rebuild.

[sponaugle]

Just as a reference, here are some comments on the list of things to datalog listed below. In general you want to datalog *as little* as possible with the Subaru ECU. Once you get over 10-12 values the capture rate will be too slow. You should avoid captuing things that don't have high variance or cannot be derived from other values. You can always do post capture analysis, but you can't make up data you don't have.

Things I *would not* capture:

A/F Sensor #1 (AFR) - Useless in most cases as it does not read accurately at high flow. You should be logging a real wideband AFR sensor.
Atmospheric Pressure (psi) - Does not change much (if at all)
Battery Voltage (V) - Also should not change a lot, and can be logged externally.
Engine Load (Relative) (%) - Not needed.
Exhaust Gas Temperature (F) - Doesn't work.. post turbo for CAT protection.
Exhaust VVT Advance Angle Left (degrees) - While this is a real feedback item, unless there is a problem with the system you can derive this value from load and rpm.
Exhaust VVT Advance Angle Right (degrees) - While this is a real feedback item, unless there is a problem with the system you can derive this value from load and rpm.
Fuel Injector #2 Pulse Width (ms) - You only need one of these, and depending on your tune it may not be needed. If you are running close to the end of the injector flow I might log it.
Fuel Injector #1 Pulse Width (ms) - You only need one of these, and depending on your tune it may not be needed. If you are running close to the end of the injector flow I might log it.
Fuel Pressure (High) (psi) - Not really measured, so useless.
Fuel Pump Duty (%) - derivable from other data (and reasonable useless)
Fuel Tank Pressure (psi) - not useful
Idle Speed Control Valve Duty Ratio (%) not useful while racing.
Idle Speed Control Valve Step (steps) not useful while racing.
Intake VVT Advance Angle Left (degrees) see exhaust VVT
Intake VVT Advance Angle Right (degrees) see exhaust VVT
Learned Ignition Timing (degrees) this should not be active since you are not going to drive around with long term knock correction....
Main Accelerator Sensor (V) - not needed
Main Throttle Sensor (V) - not needed
Manifold Relative Pressure (Corrected) (psi) - not needed
Manifold Relative Pressure (psi) - not needed
Mass Airflow Sensor Voltage (V) - not needed
Throttle Sensor Voltage (V) - not needed

These I would datalog:
Coolant Temperature (F)
Throttle Opening Angle (%)
Engine Load (Calculated) (g/rev)
Engine Speed (rpm)
Fine Learning Knock Correction (degrees)
IAM (multiplier) - you really should not need this, since it should never go down.. it will go down but you would see that first in the realtime knock retard. That is what you should be worried about. Also it is easy to derive if you have DA tables flat.
Ignition Total Timing (degrees)
Injector Duty Cycle (%)
Intake Air Temperature (F) - Only if post turbo. Pre turbo is pretty useless.
Knock Correction Advance (degrees) - depends on year and which monitor has realtime knock retard. You only need one of the monitors that shows knock.
Manifold Absolute Pressure (psi)
Primary Wastegate Duty Cycle (%)
Mass Airflow (g/s)
Vehicle Speed (mph)


What to log varies a bit by ECU type (model and year).. as Subaru changed some things over time. You have to know a few things about how the particular ECU is configured, but it is worthwhile to dig into this for your particular car.

Jeff

[Mechie3]

Are you using the factory oil cooler by any chance? If you spin a bearing that assembly needs to be replaced. It's impossible to clean it out and will send bearing material into your new block.

[wleehendrick]

I will just get to the bottom line. My 4th session I had bearing failure.

So bummed to hear that, Brandon... you're having the worst luck. I hope the internal damage is minimal and you're back soon.

[sponaugle]

Are you using the factory oil cooler by any chance? If you spin a bearing that assembly needs to be replaced. It's impossible to clean it out and will send bearing material into your new block.

Unfortunately true! I have tried to clean one, and even after many many passes of brake cleaner, hot water, submerged cleaning, and pressure washing it still produced grit.. I eventually cut it open and the design is such that it is almost impossible to get clean once contaminated... and of course they are not cheap. I would consider spending the money on a real oil cooler, as the stock is more of an oil heater. You can run without it.

[Brando]

Talk about bitter sweet. I got a call from Sacramento this morning, they passed me! As soon as I can drive my car back to the REFs they rivet a smog exempt tag, I go back do DMV and get plates. Only problem is I don't have a working car. Such mixed emotions. I have a certain window of time to get back to the DMV with all paperwork done before things like my brake and light cert expire.

Thank you for all the valuable feedback.

With regards to the data logging. I tried to get the tactrix logging to SD but hit a hurdle configuring it and didn't get it working before the race. I wasn't keen on having my laptop in the car with me. I really appreciate the guidance in choosing a data logging system because I have been racking my head against a wall trying to figure out the best fit for my usage. RaceCapture Pro does seem like a great solution. On my laptop I was getting a Tactrix logging rate of 90ms.

Do you know if the rate stays consistent when logging to SD as opposed to directly to laptop?
Is 90ms adequate or do you think that is to slow?
If i go with RaceCapture would I still want to log the tactrix in addition to it?

Thanks for the tips on checking tire temps across the tread for refining camber and pressure. I will definitely use that information and technique moving forward.

I too hope the engine failure was due to an oversight. Something I can change and prepare for so next round I get AT LEAST a season out my powerplant.

As far as warning, I didn't notice anything in person, but watching the video I can hear some warning knocking going on after the second session. I could definitely hear it at idle on the video

Yea money is surely tight after 2 rebuilds. Hopefully I got the car off the track before destroying the heads or block. I think I did. I'm hoping I can get away with replacing crank, rods and bearings. I am prepared to accept that much. More so, I just want to have the assurance that I will be avoiding bearing issues moving forward. Whatever that may entail.

I didn't notice that guy grabbing the rails during the 3rd session. I don't really care to bring people on ride alongs unless they are teaching me. If there is a next time I will surely be more aware and prep them ahead of time to not grab the roll bar.

Message received on the HANS, you guys have my word I will get one before I run again. Yea money is indeed tight after all this, but making home safely is paramount and I don't want to run again until all my bases are covered.

I was running Motul 10w50. I had the dry sump the same way as i had described it to you before...filter on the vent and one of the scavenging to PCV.

Yes I am running the same factory oil cooler, but won't be moving forward after what I'm reading. Would that really contain enough contamination to ruin a new bearing that fast? Insane.

I don't see it as having the worst luck.I am having a great time for the moments I do get to let this car rip. I am indeed having a rough patch with my motor but i'm sure things could be worse. I'm alive and happy and have a wonderful family and surrounded by lots of love. I would like to consider myself a very lucky man.

[Brando]

I am sure you guys have better things to do then watch video's but this thread serves as my data repository for this part of my life. So forgive my abundance of media.

This is my 4th and last session where the bearing went. Painful to hear at the end. I was having fun running with the white EVO.


http://youtu.be/7dlYQnpg81o

[Brando]

This is my 3rd session, I had a passenger. I ended up missing pre-grid and was stuck behind the entire pack. I hesitantly worked my way back up front.
I wasn't really pushing things this round, I was working back confidence after a spin.
Good for a 2:04 still. I was surprised how much a difference the extra 200lb made. Quite noticable.


http://youtu.be/TmUwPquyRDk



OK. I'm done posting media. Thanks for your understanding. :)

[Mechie3]

Yes I am running the same factory oil cooler, but won't be moving forward after what I'm reading. Would that really contain enough contamination to ruin a new bearing that fast? Insane.

I don't see it as having the worst luck.I am having a great time for the moments I do get to let this car rip. I am indeed having a rough patch with my motor but i'm sure things could be worse. I'm alive and happy and have a wonderful family and surrounded by lots of love. I would like to consider myself a very lucky man.

If you didn't replace it after your first block failure it would most certainly ruin the second one very quickly.

From 2008 to 2010 I went through three shortblocks on my WRX and 2 sets of heads. Each time the failure was different. Like you I counted my blessings to be able to at least afford to start again (even if it did make money tight) and to not make the same mistake twice.

[Santiago]

So this has me wondering, do you in-the-know Subie guys think we should just replace the factory oil cooler as a standard preventative measure (like many do with timing belt, plugs, water pump, etc.)? I guess I'm thinking at least for the R-crowd who will likely run their cars hard from the get-go, maybe we should be planning this from the start?

And by all means Brando, keep posting vids! I can't be the only one who is vicariously living through them... =)

Best,
-j

[wleehendrick]

Talk about bitter sweet. I got a call from Sacramento this morning, they passed me! As soon as I can drive my car back to the REFs they rivet a smog exempt tag, I go back do DMV and get plates. Only problem is I don't have a working car. Such mixed emotions. I have a certain window of time to get back to the DMV with all paperwork done before things like my brake and light cert expire.


Congrats! Look on the bright side... in the long run, that's huge. You'll be street legal without having to deal with windshield, wipers, ride height, etc... lots of things they could have hassled you for with the R.

[JeromeS13]

So this has me wondering, do you in-the-know Subie guys think we should just replace the factory oil cooler as a standard preventative measure (like many do with timing belt, plugs, water pump, etc.)? I guess I'm thinking at least for the R-crowd who will likely run their cars hard from the get-go, maybe we should be planning this from the start?

And by all means Brando, keep posting vids! I can't be the only one who is vicariously living through them... =)

Best,
-j

Anytime there's a bearing/engine failure, replace it.

[Tamra]

I'm sorry to hear that, Brando. That is really rough. I hope the third try is a charm for you.

[Rasmus]

Yes I am running the same factory oil cooler, but won't be moving forward after what I'm reading. Would that really contain enough contamination to ruin a new bearing that fast? Insane.
I don't know these from first hand experience but I know that the big EJ builders in the US will refuse to build you a motor if you insist on reusing the factory oil heat exchanger. Their reputations have been questioned in the past by customers that have ruined their high dollar motors by reusing the heat exchanger.

Please do post a follow-up and diagnoses after you tear down the motor. Sorry this happened to you.

[Rasmus]

So this has me wondering, do you in-the-know Subie guys think we should just replace the factory oil cooler as a standard preventative measure
I think you should delete it altogether. Run an aftermarket (e.g setrab) oil-air heat exchanger and
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID26210/images/thermostat.jpg
a mechanical thermostat bypass that slowly opens as the oil heats up. That way the oil heats up to operating temp quicker.
If you're running a dry sump. Plumb it in between the return from the scavenger pump to the oil tank.

[Brando]

I am having a hard time finding any Subaru compatible coolers by setrab. I have found various air cooled solutions. What are your thoughts on those?

http://thmotorsports.com/i-1740226.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=17402262004SUBARUWRXSTI&utm_campaign=GoogleShoppingSeanVehSpec&adtype=pla&kw=&gclid=COKX0ZmcvMECFWqCMgodPG4AVA

[C.Plavan]

Brandon,

Setrab will work fine. You do not have to worry about compatibility. You can get a sandwich plate and go off the oil filter location, or the dry sump location like Rasmus said. That picture I posted in your thread (dry sump diagram) should give you a good idea. You make your own lines, you really do not need a "kit" etc.

Get a fan pack unit with the -12 AN adapters for the dry sump set up. (it has a fan to pull or push air) They make different sizes. I have one and used them in the past. They are great.

[Rasmus]

Problem with a kit for a Subaru is it'll fit a Subaru "okay". Then you want to try to get it to fit in a kit-car with a custom dry sump system based around a Subaru power train and it'll never fit correctly. You'll have to piece-meal this. No way around it.

Setrab is the only air-oil heat exchanger I'm familiar with. I'm sure there are others that are just as good. Setrab air-oil heat exchangers come in two fittings AN16 or M22. If your dry sump is already plumbed in AN16 you're golden.

http://www.elephantracing.com/oilhandling/adapter/media/setrab-an-fittings-800.jpg
If not, there are a variety of M22-AN fittings.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/images/M/SET-M22PL12-45.JPG
Or you could just go M22-barbed. I'll probably just go M22-barbed. AN fittings are cool and all, but do they ever add up. I don't envision myself having to remove the fittings from the heat exchanger often.

[Santiago]

Setrab for sure. Tough, extremely wide range of sizes, & easy to mount.

Plan the line route well before ordering your fittings (yeah, "add up" is an understatement). You might want to use some cheap hose to mock up your line length before cutting whatever final hose you use. If you go with braided line, I'd suggest looking into the Koul Tool installation clamps. They make very quick work of assembling your lines.

Also, as much as possible, try to use the same manufacturer for your fittings. Everything is supposed to be interchangeable since it's all spec'd out the same, but that's only on paper. Folks who have done many more lines than I have made the same recommendation to me to avoid slight production variations which can lead to leaks. Sure, a single manufacturer may have production variations, but the chance of that only gets multiplied across different manufacturers.

Best,
-j

[Scargo]

I'm not understanding who's doing the engine building. Are you reworking the same engine each time? An experienced builder should not have missed the contaminated oil heater and it should have been ditched with the dry sump install. Was everything vatted? And why no oil cooler? I can't believe the oil was not getting very hot.
While I'm being critical, you should have everything checked before building it again. Check the crank and rods. Bolt the case together with torque plates or heads on and check journals for straightness, roundness and size. It may need to be line bored if it's never been done and it needs to be done the right way, with torque plates in place. Changing from stock studs and adding higher torque will distort the case.
Best of luck. Thanks for sharing.

[Brando]

Only a few seconds behind the Arial Atom. Definitely within reach. Next time
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Scargo will do, thanks for the tips

Met a fellow FFR builder who had a very well built cobra packing 600HP. He was running 2:15's. The 818 drew a lot of conversations and was definitely a good time.
To bad I had to push it back on the trailer after my last run.

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[longislandwrx]

Perrin makes a bolt on subie kit that uses a Setrab and ditches the factory oil heater . You are paying a little extra for some billet brackets, call them up they might be able to sell you the kit without.

http://perrinperformance.com/attachment/113906-.pdf

[Scargo]

Perrin makes a bolt on subie kit that uses a Setrab and ditches the factory oil heater . You are paying a little extra for some billet brackets, call them up they might be able to sell you the kit without.

http://perrinperformance.com/attachment/113906-.pdfThey want almost $700 for that.
That's one of the better kits I've seen but not as good as my setup. A spacer ring and extra gasket instead of getting a shorter pipe? You can find a larger, used Setrab or other equal quality cooler for a few hundred dollars. The Canton adapter plate=$77. The shorter oil feed pipe is just a few bucks from Subaru. Hose and fittings about $100 or so. Equals almost half price of the Perrin kit and it's not a compromise for the 818. DIY!

[sponaugle]

They want almost $700 for that.
That's one of the better kits I've seen but not as good as my setup. A spacer ring and extra gasket instead of getting a shorter pipe? You can find a larger, used Setrab or other equal quality cooler for a few hundred dollars. The Canton adapter plate=$77. The shorter oil feed pipe is just a few bucks from Subaru. Hose and fittings about $100 or so. Equals almost half price of the Perrin kit and it's not a compromise for the 818. DIY!

BTW the shorter pipe (for when you remove the factory oil cooler/heater is part number: 15018aa050

Make sure if you do this you still loop the coolant lines as if the cooler were present.

There is a reason Jeff included the extension and extra gasket. With some headers having the sandwhich adapter right up against the block makes getting the fittings on very difficult. Spacing it down makes that much easier. Obviously not required, but pay attention to placement when you install.

Jeff

[Scargo]

Why keep the coolant line? Many WRX have nothing there.
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If you have the ability to drill and tap then drill out the nipple (the part that would be where this plug is) and it readily takes a 1/4 NPT and you plug it. Or just buy that WRX plug. A very short piece of plugged hose on the water pump and you have a clean mod. I intend to tap and plug my water pump the next time I tear into the front of the motor. There are water pumps for the WRX and Spec C without the nipple. Then, no hoses and no potential for problems. Why are you saying you need the jumper hose?

As to the oil hose fittings not clearing: This may be the case with some sandwich plates, but not with the Canton and -10AN Mocal fittings where the end fitting takes a 1" wrench. These fittings hug the timing belt cover. If anything you will need to grind just a hair off the bottom of the cover in the corner (where the fitting comes off the Canton unit's outlet-the one on the right in the image) so the high points on the hex don't rub when you turn it.
35227
I suppose this might not work with some aftermarket headers, but it is hard to imagine. I don't know about stock exhaust.

[C.Plavan]

With a dry sump like Brandon and I have, You dont need a sandwich plate. The oil cooler just pipes in on the return line before the oil tank. Easy Peesy.

[sponaugle]

Why keep the coolant line? Many WRX have nothing there.
If you have the ability to drill and tap then drill out the nipple (the part that would be where this plug is) and it readily takes a 1/4 NPT and you plug it. Or just buy that WRX plug. A very short piece of plugged hose on the water pump and you have a clean mod. I intend to tap and plug my water pump the next time I tear into the front of the motor. There are water pumps for the WRX and Spec C without the nipple. Then, no hoses and no potential for problems. Why are you saying you need the jumper hose?

As to the oil hose fittings not clearing: This may be the case with some sandwich plates, but not with the Canton and -10AN Mocal fittings where the end fitting takes a 1" wrench. These fittings hug the timing belt cover. If anything you will need to grind just a hair off the bottom of the cover in the corner (where the fitting comes off the Canton unit's outlet-the one on the right in the image) so the high points on the hex don't rub when you turn it.
I suppose this might not work with some aftermarket headers, but it is hard to imagine. I don't know about stock exhaust.

You are correct... I was suggesting if you left the fittings as they are you need to do something with them.. but replacing them or using the water pump that doesn't have the extra outlet would work great. Actually I purchased the water pump without that extra outlet by accident so I may do just that. The sandwich adapter I have is a bit tighter, so I might get the Canton one you have, as that looks to fit perfectly.

The header I have seen that had a problem was a twin scroll aftermarket version that had a loop very close to the block near the filter. You can still make things work, it is just a tight space to work in.

And yes, those of you with the dry sump will have none of these issues!

Jeff

[longislandwrx]

. A very short piece of plugged hose on the water pump and you have a clean mod.

If you are going to all that trouble just get a pump without the hose, or tap and plug your existing pump.

I think the JDM closed vane pumps lacked the extra hose, cant recall at the moment.

[Brando]

Long time no see! :)

This post really doesn't have anything "build" related but I did finally get my car back and wanted to share that. I did however stumble across an audio gem. Sprint was offering this circular bluetooth Harman Kardon speaker for $100 when I upgraded my phone.

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It has a 5 hour battery life, a ton a base and I can hear it clearly under 60MPH. The best part is how well it fits between my seats.

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I'm pretty excited to finally have some good sounding audio in a form factor that fits snug, needs no wiring and removes in 3 seconds. Sign me up this is just what i was looking for.

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So this last engine rebuild took a bit longer than expected but after 3 months it is finally running again. I drove it around town the past few days, focusing on my favorite road which is a 4mi highway (newport coast) leading directly to the ocean. I have found myself driving back and forth on this beautiful stretch after work over slowly breaking in my engine. I have been doing my best to be easy on this new build but I can't lie, I can't resist a 0-70 drag when that curious driver behind a M5 or Z06 wants to test my 818. I don't want to brag on the 818's behalf, but the only humbling experience I have had yet was against a ford GT40 and he didn't pass until 80 at which point I was lifting anyways. Besides that, nothing has come close on a quick sprint.
I usually am an advocate of keeping the racing on a track, but I will reserve a 1rst-2nd-3rd gear stoplight drag for the right moment. Oddly those moment seem to have happened frequently the past few days. I can't deny the amount of joy I get out of beating very expensive performance cars with a car I built. Priceless.

I am finishing up where I left off registering my car in CA. I have a meeting with the CA ref's next week and if I pass will have my plates by the end of the month. Granted I don't drive the car much on the street I do appreciate the weekend drives. I have CA plates with "818R" reserved and waiting for me.

I am not rushing to get my car back on the track. After losing 2 motors due to bearing failure i'm naturally apprehensive and want to cover my bases. Until I get my traqmate and gauges situated I am going to stick to AutoX and refine my skills there. Next race is Feb 22nd. I am pulling the R6's for A6's and switching the pads willow shipped for their racing pad in hopes of getting a more responsive braking. I have not been especially please with how much force I need to put into my brake pedal.

The break from the 818 was actually well needed. Got my garage situated, worked of healing my back (building that car jacked my lower back up) and just recently enjoyed my baby girls first birthday. My daughter and my 818 were delivered withing a few days of one another. So its a 1 yr birthday for both. ;)

Happy Birthday Rocki!

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Hope you guys don't mind the non-technical update. Cheers everyone.

[07FIREBLADE]

Wow that's such a great idea. I just got one of those speakers for New Years. Solves many problems.

[metalmaker12]

Awesome to hear about their b days and that your back up and running. I know the feeling of beating up on other cars. I had a supercharged 91 notchback mustang with like 600 whp( I know the guy) riding my tail and he than tried to pass.... No one messes with the 818 and than tries to pass. I destroyed that car till he was so far back it was a dot of blue oval. Later on that day he caught up with me and asked how much hp I had. I said like 300 (at the time) he said I was a liar blah blah blah. He said I took off from 60, smoked the tires and than it looked as if I got sling shot foward to warp speed. Funny, his discription is how it feels. Goodluck with everything man!

[Mechie3]

Good to hear from you again!

[Hindsight]

Congrats Brando! Miss reading your updates. Glad it's back on the road and things are well.

[C.Plavan]

Congrats on the car, and the 1 year BDay.

Sometimes a little break from a project is all you need to be revived.

[wleehendrick]

Hey Brandon,

Happy Birthday to your little girl!


I have a meeting with the CA ref's next week and if I pass will have my plates by the end of the month.


Good luck... I'm really interested in how it goes. Hopefully you have no issues with the SB100 SMOG assessment.


I usually am an advocate of keeping the racing on a track, but I will reserve a 1rst-2nd-3rd gear stoplight drag for the right moment. Oddly those moment seem to have happened frequently the past few days. I can't deny the amount of joy I get out of beating very expensive performance cars with a car I built. Priceless.

Agreed... organized street racing or into triple digits is irresponsible, but what car guy doesn't succumb to a red light run when conditions allow? Heck, even my wife in her 1-series will do so... she still remembers the response from the guy in the M3 she smacked-down: "Wow... that little thing is quick!"


It has a 5 hour battery life, a ton a base and I can hear it clearly under 60MPH. The best part is how well it fits between my seats.

Cool; I'll be ordering speakers soon...

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[Wayne Presley]

Long time no see! :)







Happy Birthday Rocki!

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Hope you guys don't mind the non-technical update. Cheers everyone.


Rocki is too cute and you certainly married up :cool:

[Brando]

Rocki is too cute and you certainly married up :cool:

I still think she got lucky :o)
Brandi is looking over my shoulder right now. She said, "awe thanks Wayne" and at the same moment punched me for my last comment.
Both of us agree, Rocki is a cutie pie. We like the fact your daughter shares the same birthday as Rocki, with a "few" years in between.


Good luck... I'm really interested in how it goes. Hopefully you have no issues with the SB100 SMOG assessment.

Today the CA REF's passed my 818 after a rather detailed inspection. Following that I had to renew my Brake and Light because more than 90 days had passed since the last certificate was issued. Following that I took a massive amount of paperwork to the DMV and to my surprise they finally approved my registration.

So after an arduous process, I now have a fully registered and plated 818R in California. I started this process last May, so it's almost time to renew my registration already. I registered my car by body type, which means I am essentially a 1960 and smog exempt so sky is the limit on what I wish to do with the motor.
I think I learned a few good do's and don'ts along the way. In the next week I am going to put all my experiences and recommendations and throw it into the registration sub-forum.

For me the satisfaction of getting these plates is on par with my first start. I'm a bit sad I am now out of major milestones but I am looking forward to driving to the next AutoX event in 2 weeks.


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[Wayne Presley]

I still think she got lucky :o)
Brandi is looking over my shoulder right now. She said, "awe thanks Wayne" and at the same moment punched me for my last comment.
Both of us agree, Rocki is a cutie pie. We like the fact your daughter shares the same birthday as Rocki, with a "few" years in between.

Only 22 years... Heather was born in Cali too

[wleehendrick]

Today the CA REF's passed my 818 after a rather detailed inspection.

Awesome... congrats!


I registered my car by body type, which means I am essentially a 1960 and smog exempt so sky is the limit on what I wish to do with the motor.

That's great to hear, since that's my plan. IIRC, the only real requirement from 1960 was a sealed crankcase. I already ditched my cat, TGVs, airpump and evap system (kept the PCV valve, obviously) so I should be good.


I think I learned a few good do's and don'ts along the way. In the next week I am going to put all my experiences and recommendations and throw it into the registration sub-forum.

I look forward to that, and appreciate it, as I'll be starting soon.

[Brando]

I already ditched my cat, TGVs, airpump and evap system (kept the PCV valve, obviously)
Yup, sealed crankcase is a must. I actually showed up to appointment with a few things missing. I had no charcoal canister and my Dry Sump Oil can was venting to atmosphere. I brought a -12AN plug to replace the filter and also brought a charcoal evac canister. He did flag me on the oil vent so I did an on the spot switch for the plug which he was cool with. He never mentioned the missing canister. I had no cat, TGV's, airpump or evap system so you should be fine as you are (questioning charcoal can).

[FFRSpec72]

Brandon, congrats !

[Brando]

Thanks Tony!!

If anyone knows who owns this Cobra please shoot me his contact info. Yet another cool guy from the FFR community.


Only a few seconds behind the Arial Atom. Definitely within reach. Next time
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Scargo will do, thanks for the tips

Met a fellow FFR builder who had a very well built cobra packing 600HP. He was running 2:15's. The 818 drew a lot of conversations and was definitely a good time.
To bad I had to push it back on the trailer after my last run.

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[ehansen007]

Looking good man. I want to drive it!

[Tamra]

Congratulations! Is this the first street legal R?

Do you have to drive with a full face helmet on the street in case of rocks/bugs/etc.?

[Pearldrummer7]

You're still renting a Uhaul trailer? :lol:

seriously, that's amazing! Congrats dude! Next time I'm out there I want an actual ride in the thing! :)

[Scargo]

That's great! Amazing what you can get away with. ;)
About rocks and bugs: Having raced with a 4-6" windscreen and having ridden bikes (motorcycles), I can say that at normal speeds that windscreen will do nothing for you. I'd think some kind of face protection and goggles would be a minimum.
In the late '60's I wore a helmet, wore a bandanna and used goggles. Still, the gravel hurt like hell.

[wleehendrick]

Do you have to drive with a full face helmet on the street in case of rocks/bugs/etc.?

As Jeremy on Top Gear experienced in the BAC Mono and Ariel Atom... it's probably a good idea!

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[svanlare]

Congrats on getting through the CA DMV and checking off the registration!

[Brando]

Thank you. Yes I think it is the first registered R. I'm pretty sure it is also the first fuel powered 818 in CA to be registered. Eric was the first with his 818E but he was able to bypass a few hurdles due to being emissions free. This should pave the way for future 818 owners in CA now that Sancremento DMV has approved the 818 in its entirety.

When driving I just sport sunglasses, they work well enough for me. Out of the 500 miles I have on the car I have not yet caught a bug or rock in my face but it's just a matter of time. I'm not worried about that as much as a rouge piece of freeway debris catching my throat and opening me up. I keep freeway driving to an as needed basis. I sometimes visualize the ducking maneuver i'm going to pull when the car in front of me kicks something up. If I sit up tall the windscreen directs the flow right into my forehead. If i slouch down and a bit to the right the majority of the wind shoots just over my head. The windscreen works much better than I anticipated and diverts the wind quite well. All that said, I try and keep my street driving on the coastline or something like it. Cruising and chill....
I still can't get over how much attention this car attracts.

I still rent a U-haul yes. I think I am up to 12 rentals since my kit arrived. There is no glory pulling up to a track with a Uhaul, but since I have nowhere to park a trailer I will continue to suck that one up.

Lee those pictures are hilarious.

[Evan78]

I still rent a U-haul yes. I think I am up to 12 rentals since my kit arrived. There is no glory pulling up to a track with a Uhaul, but since I have nowhere to park a trailer I will continue to suck that one up.I can relate to that one. My toy collection is constrained by storage capability more than anything else. I'm sure many in Orange County or anywhere with high land values can relate.

[ehansen007]

Man, I miss driving my Hot Rod with the short windscreen. It was the only way to replicate what I missed most about my motorcycle. Never had a rock hit me either. Think about how many times you've had a rock hit your windshield right in front of your face. It's pretty remote really. Man I do miss it. The wind not the rocks. :)

[C.Plavan]

Glad you are out and about. You should come out to Willow Springs at the end of the month. I'll be out there testing on Friday and racing Sat/Sun. I'm hoping everything holds together.

Personally, I would even wear a helmet driving on the street. That R diagonal roll bar to the left of your head is a Death Trap (Or right for the passenger). Be careful.

[Brando]

Glad you are out and about. You should come out to Willow Springs at the end of the month. I'll be out there testing on Friday and racing Sat/Sun. I'm hoping everything holds together.

Personally, I would even wear a helmet driving on the street. That R diagonal roll bar to the left of your head is a Death Trap (Or right for the passenger). Be careful.

True a T-Bone crash would be bad news, but would you really wear a helmet driving around town? I think even with a helmet you could still be in trouble. I do take an extra glance when passing intersections because of that possibility.

I will meet you out at Willow Springs, although I promised myself not to take my 818 on a track until I get my gauges and logging up and running. Big track or streets? I was looking at the calendar and didn't see anything on the 28th.
Man, the thought of going to big track makes my stomach hurt.

[Brando]

I ran autocross over the weekend, practicing on Saturday and did my first SCCA event on Sunday. I had a blast and have the compliment to quality of people at the event as they were a very welcoming group.
Ended up 3 seconds behind 2nd place in the Modified Combined and I struggle to see being competitive in that class. I would love to see this car in XP where the cars and laptimes are more comparable IMO.

The car felt really well balanced. I swapped out my R6's for a set of A7's. I could have used a taller 2nd gear, there was a lot of the track that would bog if I was in 3rd or would be at 6k in 2nd.

My best time posted was a 60.384. I know I could have run shaved quite a bit off that but being new to AutoX i'm still a little wet behind the ears. I find it hard to get the lines down in 4 runs.

http://solo2.com/live_results/index.html

I registered for Pro-Solo at the end of the month and am pretty excited to race head to head.

I drove to/from the track both days and had no mechanical issues. Based on that, victory was achieved.

[iWire]

I ran autocross over the weekend, practicing on Saturday and did my first SCCA event on Sunday. I had a blast and have the compliment to quality of people at the event as they were a very welcoming group.
Ended up 3 seconds behind 2nd place in the Modified Combined and I struggle to see being competitive in that class. I would love to see this car in XP where the cars and laptimes are more comparable IMO.

The car felt really well balanced. I swapped out my R6's for a set of A7's. I could have used a taller 2nd gear, there was a lot of the track that would bog if I was in 3rd or would be at 6k in 2nd.

My best time posted was a 60.384. I know I could have run shaved quite a bit off that but being new to AutoX i'm still a little wet behind the ears. I find it hard to get the lines down in 4 runs.

http://solo2.com/live_results/index.html

I registered for Pro-Solo at the end of the month and am pretty excited to race head to head.

I drove to/from the track both days and had no mechanical issues. Based on that, victory was achieved.

Congrats dude! Glad to hear things look like they are finally turning around for you. :D

When you ready to blow some more money to get your logging situation sorted out let me know and we can get the Racepak IQ3 for you. I just installed one and really liked the setup. It'll be a breeze to put in your car.

[FFRSpec72]

I bet you miss that U-Haul trailer !

[Brando]

When you ready to blow some more money to get your logging situation sorted out

Nice choice of words lol.
Yea Brian, that's next on the list. I will hit you up.



I bet you miss that U-Haul trailer !

Who wouldn't! :) Those are class act pulling up to the track

[Tamra]

Be careful what you wish for. At the national level, XP is actually harder to trophy in than E-Mod (by time). The last trophy place in XP for 2014 nationals would have been 2nd place in E-Mod!!! Of course Kiesel dominates 1st place in e-mod. However, locally, XP looks like a fun class, always has a good turnout (whereas emod does not), and also has more fun aero permitted.

Did they let you run your wing in EM?

Glad to see you had a successful autocross and good luck at the next event!

[Brando]

Yes they let me run the wing in EM. Could be because nobody was in my class to gripe about it. Kiesel was out there on Saturday turning 52's which was 6 seconds faster than my best that day. Untouchable.
All the guys I kick it with at the events run XP/DP so that has a lot to do with my desire to be in that class, but that is an interesting point you bring up about being harder to trophy in. Good to know.
I could be reading it wrong, but I think in XP i would have placed first for the prepared combined PAX time.

[Scargo]

I'm glad to hear that the engine and car is hanging together. Great news!
I ran Solo years ago. In 2010 I did some Auto-X in my STi. The classes and the way they apply the rules baffle me. How does Modified Combined equate to EM? I don't see EM on the list. I'm confused again...

[Brando]

I ran 4 runs at a National pro-solo event over the weekend. I left early because we had some insane surf and my family was requesting a beach weekend. I was going to not race at all, but found out that since I was the 5th entry in the Modified class, had I not run the event they wouldn't have made the 5 minimum in the class to avoid being bumped. I figured I would do the guys a favor and run my car and give them their own class. Needless to say the guys were very pleased and I made some new friends in the Modified class. They were kind enough to match me up with fastest car at the event. His index is 1 and even Jeff can't keep up with this guy in a heads up race. You can see Jeff Kiesel behind me, nice guy we had a long talk about classing and met the right people who can help get the 818 into XP eventually. I need to be proactive and start building my case to the SCCA, but in the meantime I will take my whipping running with these monster cars.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag204/tekbroker/20150328_133911_zpsxrjuvigp.jpg

My 60ft was 1.8sec, although i never really nailed a launch because I was too excited and dropped the clutch too hard. KC in the car next to me posted the fastest times of the day at 33 seconds. My best in the 4 runs I did was a 39. Although that's not competitive in EM it would have mid pack for XP. I think if I had stuck around all 12 runs a 37 second run was in reach which would have been 3rd place for XP. Fred Zust in his 2005 Lotus is pretty untouchable for the XP class, he was running 34's.

All in all, car ran and handled great. I went wide on a few cones and didn't get a good reaction time, but was focusing not to DNF to make sure my runs were valid so i could scoot home after my first heat.

I broke my gopro 90 degree mount just before my race, so had to mount it the sidebar last second.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIU5DH2lXWw

Good times, but honestly I still prefer road racing over autox. Not a fan of working cones in 90 degree heat, and I like a little more time behind the wheel. Mostly, I prefer knowing my track.

[AZPete]

"car ran and handled great" says a lot about your wrenchin' skills. Congrats and thanks for posting the video so I could ride along!

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Great job Brando. Since you are ahead of most of us, can you pass along any tips or opinions?
Bob

[Wayne Presley]

Looks like fun there Brando!

[D Clary]

Road racing is more fun than auto X but the skills enhance each other as far as lines and looking ahead on the track.

[C.Plavan]

Road racing is MUCH more fun than driving through cones for 40 secs or so.....

[Scargo]

Lots mo fun and LOTS mo bucks. A bigger commitment.

[Wayne Presley]

I love road racing, been doing it for 22 years on bikes and in cars.

[Brando]

Sometime this year they are planning to close down El Toro Marine base to build homes. When that happens my AutoX days will be over. The nearest AutoX event past El toro is 45 miles which is too far for me to drive the 818 to. If I am putting the car on a trailer it's going to a track. But like you said, much more bucks. I am going to soak up the experience while it's there. I am eager to test out Laguna Seca and Chuckwalla. I never have raced at Chuckwalla before but hear great things about it.
How sick does this track look?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/richard350z/ChuckwallaValleyRacewayaerialview2.jpg

The only thing I can really note about my experiences refining the drivability of the car is the alignment and adding the LSD. My first AutoX I was lacking camber and rear toe in. I was spinning out frequently. Currently i'm running -3* front with no toe in/out, and -2* rear with 3/16 toe in. The car feels so much more stable now. Needless to say switching from R6's to A7's made a world of difference. Getting my tire pressures figured out is an ongoing learning experience. Right now i'm starting at 27 cold and ending up at 32 hot. I'm just starting to play with those numbers now that i'm getting more comfortable with the car. I still have not corner balanced but it's on the list.
Wish I had more advice, but in this forum I would be preaching to choir. I'm usually the one taking the advice. :)

[Brando]

I did 4 runs but only posted 3. Why? Because I was absolutely blew it on one run. I feel inclined to share it because we all make mistakes right?

I ended up in the shrubs and gave one of the workers a little scare. While coming across the track I was focusing on the wrong cone. I realized it and had to adjust my line which had me going into it at a bad angle. I was coming in too hot, bad angle and I hit the brakes as the weight was transferring (whoops) and locked up. I ended up choosing to straighten out the wheels and go for the safer route of going behind the worker. I would like to mention that when I was working that event we didn't have anyone in that spot. It was a horrible location to have someone flipping a cone. On the other mirrored side of the track, no worker was present at that location for good reason.

I hate making these mistakes they are embarrassing at the track. Here is to a little humility.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHupwLmK7Gs

I need to bias the brakes a hair more to the rear. Even still this was obviously driver error.

[Scargo]

Looked to be a fairly fast course.

Chuckwalla: Looks flat as a pancake! Here's Mont Tremblant, a track not too far to go to for me. ON my not too distant bucket list.
40115
And then I will be at Watkins Glen for four days in less than a month; just not in the 818...
40116
Love road racing, too.

[Brando]

Mont Tremblant looks insane. Chuckwalla is flat but I hear it's a really fun track never the less. Seca and Big willow have some nice elevation changes

[Tamra]

That was a terrible place for a worker station!


Nice to see the autox videos. I've never road raced, but the added cost and significant added risk scare me away. At autox, you can push beyond your limits and (usually) the worst that happens is you smack some cones. Not so much on a road course.

[Mitch Wright]

Tamra,

Try a track day and you might get hooked. We run Trackcross events at our track here in Bowling Green. Basically a high speed AutoX, we cone off some key corners to slow corner speed and install a few gates on the back stretch (fast cars might see 100mph) one car at a time 4-5 cars at 20 seconds apart on track for 1.75mile run (cool down and back to the front straight to stage for you next run.
It is a great way to run the track in an unintimidating way. Not sure if Lime Rock, Thompson or the new Palmer track do something like this but we get a lot of Autocrossers. For $75.00 ($25.00 of the second driver) is a nice way to give it a try.

[Mitch Wright]

Mont Tremblant is a great fun and much safer since it was updated 10 years ago, Chuckwalla does have some slight elevation kinda like Buttonwillow, fun to drive. I have been out there a few times be prepared for the wind.

[D Clary]

Just curious, are the runways still at the airbase in Tustin? Was stationed down there many years ago.

[apexanimal]

brando - which bell helmet do you have? do you like it?

[wleehendrick]

I never have raced at Chuckwalla before but hear great things about it.
How sick does this track look?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/richard350z/ChuckwallaValleyRacewayaerialview2.jpg


Hey Brandon,

A good friend of mine used to track his bikes at Chuckwalla regularly. He loves the track, but it's in the middle of nowhere, so he usually slept in his trailer, but got kind of sick of that routine and the drive out from San Diego. Last I talked to him, he was planning to sell his Aprilia and hang up the leathers :(. But if you want any info on the track, I'm sure he has lots to share.

[Brando]

That was a terrible place for a worker station!


I know right!? That trackcross Mitch was describing seems like the perfect way to transition into it. I get a little sketch before heading to the track, but that fear keeps me in check.
You should see some of the speedventure track events. People sliding off the track left and right, its downright crazy. They all end up rightside up and continue racing. Not saying people don't roll, but I have never personally witnessed a rollover and have seen several dozen go off the track spinning to a stop...especially with clubs like speedventures. Last time I was at buttonwillow with them there were over 10 off's in ONE HEAT! Everyone was over-driving. They had to pause the event and address the entire club and issue a "2nd off GO HOME" policy for the day. Classic.

I took part in that count

https://youtu.be/yyWiRMOHCAU?t=6m33s
However mine wasn't as spectacular as some of the others i witnessed.
Check out how nice the dirt is off track, it's pretty forgiving.


Just curious, are the runways still at the airbase in Tustin? Was stationed down there many years ago.

It's mostly dirt now :( . Multiple developments are in progress on that land, I think a few are complete.
Sad
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7060684,-117.8227289,1634m/data=!3m1!1e3


brando - which bell helmet do you have? do you like it?
It's the Bell Sport SA2010. Bang for the buck and fitment it was my favorite of the ones I tried on. You have to buy an additional kit if you plan on using a HANZ device.


He loves the track, but it's in the middle of nowhere, so he usually slept in his trailer, but got kind of sick of that routine and the drive out from San Diego. Last I talked to him, he was planning to sell his Aprilia and hang up the leathers :(. But if you want any info on the track, I'm sure he has lots to share.

Thanks Lee, i might take you up on that. I was planning to pillage my folks place in La Quinta, which is only 45 min away from there. Summer temps are 110+ out there so if i'm going to do it, now is the time.

[Mitch Wright]

TrackX video, we got between 60-100 cars depending weather this winter. We have one Saturday then we shift to weekday evenings once a month during the summer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J2NpgX7Veo

[longislandwrx]

Brando, awesome videos.

[wildbill]

Mont Tremblant looks insane. Chuckwalla is flat but I hear it's a really fun track never the less. Seca and Big willow have some nice elevation changes

Mont Tremblant is an amazing track. I raced bikes there and couldn't find one bump anywhere!

[C.Plavan]

Sometime this year they are planning to close down El Toro Marine base to build homes. When that happens my AutoX days will be over. The nearest AutoX event past El toro is 45 miles which is too far for me to drive the 818 to. If I am putting the car on a trailer it's going to a track. But like you said, much more bucks. I am going to soak up the experience while it's there. I am eager to test out Laguna Seca and Chuckwalla. I never have raced at Chuckwalla before but hear great things about it.
How sick does this track look?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/richard350z/ChuckwallaValleyRacewayaerialview2.jpg

The only thing I can really note about my experiences refining the drivability of the car is the alignment and adding the LSD. My first AutoX I was lacking camber and rear toe in. I was spinning out frequently. Currently i'm running -3* front with no toe in/out, and -2* rear with 3/16 toe in. The car feels so much more stable now. Needless to say switching from R6's to A7's made a world of difference. Getting my tire pressures figured out is an ongoing learning experience. Right now i'm starting at 27 cold and ending up at 32 hot. I'm just starting to play with those numbers now that i'm getting more comfortable with the car. I still have not corner balanced but it's on the list.
Wish I had more advice, but in this forum I would be preaching to choir. I'm usually the one taking the advice. :)
Hey Brandon, Its a fun track. Pretty narrow in some spots, and I have no idea what the designer as thinking with putting those turns like that after the front straight (easy contact with other cars if not careful)
Here is Chuckwalla in my 911ST. This is with a buddy of mine you Porsche Owners' may know. Patrick Long- American Porsche Factory Driver. He knows how to drive a non-aero, 1970 suspension car, Besides the RSR, Spyder RS, and other factory weapons Porsche sends to Le Mans, Daytona, Sebring and other race series.
Hang on and enjoy.

http://www.motorsportretro.com/2015/02/vintage-porsche-on-board-2-5l-911st-race-car/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EokoS6R_6c8

Try 1/16" or 1/8" toe out on the front. That will help you turn, especially on an Autocross track. I'm running 3/16th toe in also in the rear. 2.5 degree in the front, 3.0 degree in the rear for me.

[Brando]

Kaboom and the trans is toast. I won't have the transmission opened up until the end of the week so i'm not 100% sure what the failure was due to.

When I race at the track I refrain from dropping the clutch hard and rev match as best as I can. I am OK with sacrificing a little time to reduce drivetrain abuse. Yesterday I had the family over for Mothers day and took my sister on her first ride. I really wanted to impress/scare her and allowed that moment to alter my traditional driving habits. I took of in first barely blipping the rev limiter and dropped in second more aggressively than would normally. When I dropped the clutch with ignorant carelessness a loud metal clank occurred and that's all she wrote. Fortunately I was on a long hill and was able to coast to parking lot at my local church. Maybe it's a sign i need to get myself back there.

I am kicking myself for allowing a little show off session to lead me to driving my baby with such disrespect. I usually take an extra second between shifts and slow my clutch movement. I suppose after a while you start to forget that little 5spd isn't built for 360HP (my latest tune) and I just received a rude awakening. I'm sure the A7's didn't help the equation.

This breakage is on me 100%. That is the only and last time I drive my car like a high school noob.

The end result:
I can put the car in any gear without depressing the clutch. I can hear movement inside the trans when in gear. There is no grinding just a subtle hum of something rotating.

Live and learn.

#$%&

[C.Plavan]

Ouch. Sorry Man. Grab a Legacy GT trans, that might help. You would need to get a speedo gear and such. Legacy GT trans has a different final drive too. (4.11).

[Mitch Wright]

Sounds like you may have blown the face off the clutch disc, easy fix replace the disc and maybe the pressure plate.

[Brando]

Don't get my hopes up Mitch :)
I would be one happy camper if you are correct. The only thing that worries me is when the clutch is engaged and it put it into gear, i can feel the syncros working. Also, the subtle noise produced sounds different in 3rd compared to 1rst

I will look into that Chad. I already found quite a few Legacy GT's online for a reasonable price. Hopefully Mitch is correct and I wont need to walk that road.

[Mechie3]

I blew third gear before. When rolling it sounded like a box of rocks.

[Brando]

This is a new one for the books. The clutch is fine. The transmission is fine.
Both axles are sheered into 2 pieces. They both broke around the same place, closer to wheel. I will snap some pictures.
Crazy right?

[AZPete]

Yes, crazy. On a positive note, you're getting good traction!

[Mechie3]

Interesting. In the stock setup, the axles only have 1/2 the power running through them. Wouldn't have thought they would be the first to fail.

[Mitch Wright]

WOW, I am with Craig looking forward to seeing the seeing the pictures.

[JeromeS13]

Interesting. Here's where my 2012 WRX transmission failed:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t43/JeromeS13/Project%20818/IMG_20150511_172337_zpswj09idof.jpg (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/JeromeS13/media/Project%20818/IMG_20150511_172337_zpswj09idof.jpg.html)

[Brando]

Mechie, i'm not sure I follow how it would be 1/2 the stress on axles. Since there are 2 instead of 4 wouldn't there be double the strain?

Jerome, straight up knarly.

Here are the axles.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag204/tekbroker/BRANDON-ALIEN/Pictures/818/axle2_zps97fntjep.jpg

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag204/tekbroker/BRANDON-ALIEN/Pictures/818/axle1_zpssnwx76o3.jpg

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Interesting. In the stock setup, the axles only have 1/2 the power running through them. Wouldn't have thought they would be the first to fail.
Craig,
I don't understand your statement.
In a wrx the transmission output torque is split between 4 wheels. In an 818 it is split between two wheel.
So 818 axle torque is twice as much as an wrx.
Do you agree?
Bob

[Wayne Presley]

Hmmm, I had a customer break one too last week... In exactly the same place

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc175/vcpinjectionpb/818-build%201/IMG_12341_zpsymrhiuos.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/vcpinjectionpb/media/818-build%201/IMG_12341_zpsymrhiuos.jpg.html)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc175/vcpinjectionpb/818-build%201/IMG_12321_zpsmnhu2kkh.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/vcpinjectionpb/media/818-build%201/IMG_12321_zpsmnhu2kkh.jpg.html)

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc175/vcpinjectionpb/818-build%201/IMG_12331_zpsnwvhosbx.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/vcpinjectionpb/media/818-build%201/IMG_12331_zpsnwvhosbx.jpg.html)

[C.Plavan]

So the FFR axles are breaking? Great.....

[Mechie3]

Heres a rewording

The stock setup being the factory wrx layout there are four axles splitting the load so they carry roughly half the load the FFR setup does. I would have thought the transmission would break first as they tend to break even in stock (factory OEM) setups.

[sponaugle]

Mechie, i'm not sure I follow how it would be 1/2 the stress on axles. Since there are 2 instead of 4 wouldn't there be double the strain?

Jerome, straight up knarly.

Here are the axles.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag204/tekbroker/BRANDON-ALIEN/Pictures/818/axle2_zps97fntjep.jpg

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag204/tekbroker/BRANDON-ALIEN/Pictures/818/axle1_zpssnwx76o3.jpg

Impressive. Brando, would you like my axles? I am using the STI front axles, not the FFR provided ones... and I'll switch to a 6 speed at some point so I'll never use them. They are yours.
Jeff

[flynntuna]

[QUOTE=Mechie3;198095]Heres a rewording

The stock setup being the factory wrx layout there are four axles splitting the load so they carry roughly half the load the FFR setup does. I would have thought the transmission would break first as they tend to break even in stock (factory OEM) setups.[/QUOT

You'd think these axles would have enough capacity engineered into them to handle the the extra weight per axle.

[longislandwrx]

I don't suppose you left the parking brake on. ;).. LOL glad its not the transmission.

time to start heat treating these axles?

[Wayne Presley]

I don't suppose you left the parking brake on. ;).. LOL glad its not the transmission.

time to start heat treating these axles?

They are already heat treated after the splines are cut

[longislandwrx]

They are already heat treated after the splines are cut

that's interesting, for a tempered piece that break looks like it was awfully brittle.

[Wayne Presley]

The splines won't live if they are not heat treated and they are too hard to broach after heat treating so they are cut then heat treated.

[sponaugle]

They are already heat treated after the splines are cut

I thought I heard the axles were made by the driveshaftshop. If so, they could potentially makes us ones out of a stronger material. I don't know if these FF ones were the 300M material or not.

Jeff

[Mitch Wright]

It looks as if broke right at the start of the spline where the axle is stepped. I didn't inspect mine for possible stress risers at the transition to splines. I wonder if Brando's and the axle that Wayne's customer broke could be from the same heat treat batch?? A thought. Will look forward to hearing the analysis.

[STiPWRD]

that's interesting, for a tempered piece that break looks like it was awfully brittle.

Typically when you heat treat a metal, the ultimate tensile strength goes up but it also makes the material more brittle. I'd be curious to know the hardness of the FFR axles but two similar failures like this sure seems ominous. I'm just glad it wasn't the trans.

[sponaugle]

It looks as if broke right at the start of the spline where the axle is stepped. I didn't inspect mine for possible stress risers at the transition to splines. I wonder if Brando's and the axle that Wayne's customer broke could be from the same heat treat batch?? A thought. Will look forward to hearing the analysis.

I have broken a number of Subaru axles over the years, and at least 70 percent were at that location. Far fewer on the inner cv side, and a few on the hub spline itself. With the DSS stage 5 axles with the larger diameter bar ( and bigger cvs ) you can push them much harder.

I suspect it will be time for a custom order with the bigger bar.

Jeff

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Probably a good idea for anyone running hard to add a line to the CV joints and shaft to watch out for twisting. Before it breaks.
Here is a truck axle that shows what I'm talking about.
Bob
41879

[C.Plavan]

Just an FYI- I am already talking with a Company that I can send my extra set of axles to. So they can make them out of stronger material. I'll keep you updated on the progress. They have already said it would be simple. But it has me thinking, about changing spline count because of the damn CV roulette I had to play.


I also recall FFR making Chromoly axles for their 818R.....Hmmmmm

[flynntuna]

One way to look at it, it's cheaper to replace axles than transmissions. :rolleyes:

[Jaime]

That's what I was thinking, it's like the shear pins on a snowblower.

[C.Plavan]

One way to look at it, it's cheaper to replace axles than transmissions. :rolleyes:

That is a good thought :)

[Brando]

Impressive. Brando, would you like my axles? I am using the STI front axles, not the FFR provided ones... and I'll switch to a 6 speed at some point so I'll never use them. They are yours.
Jeff

Jeff, that is great. I was just about to call FFR to order them, i'm glad i checked in here first. I will PM you with details and please send me your paypal address and any associated costs to you and I will get that to you immediately. Much appreciated.

Wayne, did you customer state that his breakage occurred during regular driving or was he abusing his car?

I am running an exedy twin plate clutch and A7's and when it broke I had hit the shift hard as hard as humanly possible. I feel like hardening the axles will just shift the point of failure to something much more expensive. If i was building this to drag race then perhaps I would be more concerned. As it stands I see it the same as Jaime & Flytuna

[sponaugle]

Wayne, did you customer state that his breakage occurred during regular driving or was he abusing his car?
I am running an exedy twin plate clutch and A7's and when it broke I had hit the shift hard as hard as humanly possible. I feel like hardening the axles will just shift the point of failure to something much more expensive. If i was building this to drag race then perhaps I would be more concerned. As it stands I see it the same as Jaime & Flytuna

That is a philosophy that is not unheard of. I have some friends that track their STIs and they stick with the stock axles because those break before other things. They just carry spares with them.

Jeff

[DMC7492]

Hi Brandon does your clutch slave cylinder have the damper unit on the line and does the master cylinder have a damper on the bottom of it. Apparently subaru started to put these in place to buffer the clutch engagement. Mine is a 2005 and I already deleted the master cylinder damper and plugged it with a large bolt and was going to delete the slave damper, but now I'll be reluctant to do this. This might be a safety damper to slow clutch engagement and reduce the shock for those special times when we forget about the capability of the machine😉
Here is a link to nasioc about this. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1855826
Here is a picture of the unit.41909

[Wayne Presley]

Wayne, did you customer state that his breakage occurred during regular driving or was he abusing his car?



He drives the piss out of the car, done a couple of track days and the car is making around 370 RWHP right now. Has done 411 RWHP at 23 psi, running 18 now.

[Brando]

Hi Brandon does your clutch slave cylinder have the damper unit on the line and does the master cylinder have a damper on the bottom of it.

No damper unit on my master cylinder.


He drives the piss out of the car, done a couple of track days and the car is making around 370 RWHP right now. Has done 411 RWHP at 23 psi, running 18 now.

Atta boy!

[sponaugle]

Any update Brandon? Looking forward to seeing you back on the track!

Jeff

[Brando]

Had to dust off my thread here. Since completing my kit I have had a few gremlins to chase, some I have tracked down and others resurface like a bad cold sore.
Initially I spun a few rod bearings, but this last rebuild of my motor seems to be holding up nicely. Installed some gauges to keep my eye on oil pressure and temp. I have not seen a significant drop in pressure, but temps regularly run over 240 on hard driving > 5min. Last summer I snapped an axle but in fairness to FFR I dropped the clutch hard into 2nd and the tires bit so driver error on that.

A few weekends ago I snapped my shift linkage at an Autocross event. Yes the gym is paying off. I drove my 818 to the event so towing back was not an option and a tow truck isn't an option unless i have my race ramps. So I opted to put into 4th before my drive and just rode the clutch if I caught a red on my way to the freeway, which surprisingly only happened 1 time. I predicted a 1 hour job replacing it, but unfortunately the boyd tank didn't leave enough space to get the cable past so had to remove seats, console, firewall, tank for access.
http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag204/tekbroker/20170731_091803_zpsfocwwjlm.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/tekbroker/media/20170731_091803_zpsfocwwjlm.jpg.html)
A rouge zip tie also forced me to remove side panels. A few frozen hex bolts stripped and had to drill out, besides that was pretty uneventful. All in all took about 4 hours and it's out now and waiting for my replacement.

Overall I have been having a great time with the car and I finally have it setup where it feels very planted at the track. I still have quite of bit of time to shave off on my local tracks. All in due time as I continue to learn the limits.

Here is 1 lap at PCA AutoX event, followed by 1 lap at the Streets of Willow Springs. Good times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cln_Ata6TWI&t=127s

[Wayne Presley]

Looks great Brando!

[Mitch Wright]

Thumbs UP glad to hear you are back.

[Rob T]

Brando: I bought Chad's 818R. I live in Hanford, CA. My car has been down since December (long story that others have heard), but hope to have it back up soon. Where do you live? I have done 5 track sessions with my car (before it broke) all at open track days at Buttonwillow (a little over an hour from my house). I'd love to know about another "R" in the area. Rob T

[iWire]

Glad to see it back out Brandon!

[Sgt.Gator]

Brando's 818R is up for sale in the For Sale Forum here as an eBay listing. As of this moment I am the high bidder but it hasn't topped the Reserve. I'm posting here to possibly drum up some more bidders for him. I don't have room for another car so am only interested in buying it at a ridiculously low price. Besides, I'd be racing against Retro! It really needs to go to a good home. Retro I think you need a backup car!

The eBay listing; the auction ends in 30 hours or Buy it Now for $25K. http://www.ebay.com/itm/322739477131?forcerRptr=true&item=322739477131&frommaketrack=true&viewitem=&autorefresh=true

[Hindsight]

That's a STEAL!!!

It's unfortunate that the 818s haven't established the same kind of resale value as the Roadsters. People dump $40k+ into them and have to sell them for $25k. Just doesn't make sense to me. I know usually kit car builds aren't money makers, but they can be for the Roadsters, or even break-even at least. And the GTMs sell for a mint. The 818 has been out long enough to have wide press coverage by now.

[flynntuna]

That's a STEAL!!!

It's unfortunate that the 818s haven't established the same kind of resale value as the Roadsters. People dump $40k+ into them and have to sell them for $25k. Just doesn't make sense to me. I know usually kit car builds aren't money makers, but they can be for the Roadsters, or even break-even at least. And the GTMs sell for a mint. The 818 has been out long enough to have wide press coverage by now.

It is a shame that cars of this caliber and built to such a high level can't even break even. I'm sure there's more than $25k invested in Brando's car.
You'd be surprised how many people you'd think would know better haven't even heard of Factory Five let alone the 818.
I was talking to the cable installer working at my house the other day, (he's a Subaru fanatic) he hadn't ever heard of the 818 nor FFR .
I new this before taking the plunge in getting this kit, and don't expect to sell it unless someone makes me an offer I can't refuse.

[Doowop]

If I could sell my unstarted R kit, I would so buy this...

[Sgt.Gator]

The Reserve's been met at $16,000! Brando's car is going to sell. I wish I had room!
Hmm, maybe if I store a car at Oregon Raceway Park....
Ok, I'm high bid again at $16,100. I don't think it's going to stick!

[Hindsight]

Unbelievable. Sold for $16,100. Just doesn't make sense. :confused:

[Frank818]

Unbelievable. Sold for $16,100. Just doesn't make sense. :confused:

What?? No way.

[walt555]

At least its going to be in good hands!

[Sgt.Gator]

Holy Cow! Yikes! I never thought my $16,100 bid would win!
I'm so pumped to "really" join the 818 community as an owner! This is going to be awesome. Ya'll can be sure it will be raced next year and will also be available to rent as a track car at Oregon Raceway Park.

I think the value of these cars will start moving up when some of us start winning races and setting track records. Right now the 818 has a reputation as a DNF car. I want to be part of changing that to Championship winning cars.
That will raise the value of all 818 cars.

So now I have an STI race car, Palatov D4 race/track car; an 818R race/track car, and a Corvette Z06. Something has to go.
Brando, I'll call you tomorrow, I'm out of town at a wedding today. Thanks for making this possible.

Anybody want a very low mile 2009 Corvette C6 Z06 with 1.5 years of GMPP left on it?

74022

[Hindsight]

Congrats on the win! Glad it's going to someone who will really use it.

[Mitch Wright]

Have Fun.
It is too bad that the 818 have a reputation, my car has been rock solid and believe as more are running and sorted it will be a different story.

[Frank818]

Excellent buy Gator! I'm just surprised you didn't have an 818 already. Take care of it!

[Harley818]

Glad to see it go to someone on the forum who has contributed quite a bit......and is active in the racing world.

[Rob T]

Gator: Welcome to the "second hand club" for the 818. I hope you have as much fun with yours as I am having with mine. I look forward to the day when we all have ours completely sorted out. Is a group track day somewhere/sometime in our future?

[turbomacncheese]

Anybody want a very low mile 2009 Corvette C6 Z06 with 1.5 years of GMPP left on it?

74022

$16,100? I kid, I kid. Congratulations on the 818.


But seriously, $16,100......?

[phil1734]

My personal schedule only allowed me to make it to one autocross this year, and my personal abilities and set-up prevented me from being super competitive, but I was surprised at how many people knew what my car was and were interested in it.

This was at a North-West Ohio SCCA event, and the general reaction was that people just wanted to see one in person before they would ever consider taking the plunge themselves. So if you want your resale to go up - hit the track and let people poke around!


...$16,101 Bob...

[Sgt.Gator]

Thanks everyone!
We'll have 4 racing in the NW now. 2 of them are destined for the Thunderhill 25 Hour. It would be cool to get all of them together with our Californian friends someday. Possibly Thunderhill for a track day a few months before the 25?

[Rob T]

Gator: I've run Thunderhill for a couple DE's. It's about 5 hours from my house. With some planning, I could probably make a track day work. Let me know....If nothing else, I might be able to come to watch the others run the 25.

[Sgt.Gator]

Brando's 818R is now in my possesion and at my home in Oregon. "Quick" trip to Irvine and back in one weekend. Those freeways in LA are brutal! The traffic is crazy, and the pavement even worse. I've never bounced around like that anywhere in the NW for so long. I'm so glad I don't live there.

Here's a pick of Brando saying bye to his 818, with a tear in his eye!

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Thanks Brando, it was a pleasure doing busines with you!

This brings an end to this car's journey in this thread. I'll start a new thread in the 818R section.

[Wayne Presley]

Congrats on the purchase!!!!
I know you were sad to let it go Brando.

[Hindsight]

Congrats again on the purchase. Such a deal! Hope to see some track pictures and video soon.

[Mitch Wright]

Great to see the car going to a good home. Looking forward to another 818 on track to exchange ideas and info with.
Enjoy,