Any pricing on wilwood brakes?

[Canadian818]

Just wondering if anyone who has received a call from FFR to finalize their order has been given a price yet?

[Ethan818]

I asked about it when finalizing my order a couple weeks ago. As of then they didn't have any info on pricing, so I didn't push for any more info.

[Gordon Levy]

I have Wilwood 13" 6 piston fronts from $1499-$1600 and rear kits from $850-$1100

[Frank818]

You mean you sell them?

[Gordon Levy]

Been a tier 1 Wilwood dealer for well over 10 years.

[RM1SepEx]

not listed as an option for the S at this time...
double adj Konis are also not listed as an S option at this time

[mrvwcastner]

you can price similar kits on ebay as well. I'm hoping FFR sorts them & keeps our business. I run willwoods on my Miata & love em.

[Gordon Levy]

I can match any ebay price.

[metros]

not listed as an option for the S at this time...
double adj Konis are also not listed as an S option at this time

When I placed my order Jay told me that the R would be coming with single adjustable konis and that I could upgrade to the double adjustable konis on my S without a problem.

[Frank818]

double adj Konis are also not listed as an S option at this time

Yeah, that is bad for me... but tnx I got a lot of time before I get there.

[Canadian818]

I wonder if its just a basic wrx package or if was specifically sized for the 818.

[07FIREBLADE]

All of the Canadians are coming out of the woodworks now. Lol FFR is getting a lot of love from our brothers in the north... we need some prices already...

[longislandwrx]

PM sent Levy. TY

[Gordon Levy]

PM answered. It looks like I can do 12.2" front kits starting at $1000 and 12.2" rear kits starting at $920.

[Gordon Levy]

If we can get a bunch together to order I will do free shipping. That will save a bunch.

[C.Plavan]

Put me on the list if they are not added to the 818R option list soon.

Also- anyone thinking of using the Wilwood pedals (with bia adjustment?) I'm wondering how easy it would be to install the racing floor pedal versions.

[Frank818]

PM answered. It looks like I can do 12.2" front kits starting at $1000 and 12.2" rear kits starting at $920.

Are you saying you recommend 12.2 front AND 12.2 rear on the 818?

[Gordon Levy]

The 12.2 on both will work fine, I also have 13" and 14" for the front and rear. My choice would probably be 13" front and rear using a superlite 6 front and a superlite 4 rear.
There is no such thing as to much brake, even in a light car.

[Frank818]

Maybe, that will definitely brake like hell, wouldn't they? :)

[Canadian818]

Anyone know if FFR has done any testing with wilwoods? I don't think either car has them, not sure about the go kart.

What kind of pricing for the pedal box?

[Canadian818]

PM answered. It looks like I can do 12.2" front kits starting at $1000 and 12.2" rear kits starting at $920.

When you say "starting at," where are we starting? What rotors? Lines?

And How much are superlites? How much lighter?


I realize that's a lot of pricing questions, but it'll save you a lot of pm's and possibly stir up interest for a group buy.

[Gordon Levy]

I ran 13" 6 piston front ans 13" 4 piston rears on my 2200lb race FFR Roadster and I can tell you it is great braking 20',30', 50' or more deeper into a corner than a Grand Am Porsche or Vette.
6 piston superlite kits start around $1500. All kits are complete with everything you need. When I say starting at, there are options such as caliper colors or polished or crossdrilled rotors. Most of those are an additional cost upgrade.

[C.Plavan]

What's the cost on the race pedal setup?

[Gordon Levy]

$200-$400 depending on what pedal set up.

[Wayne Presley]

I can get the Wilwood 4 piston 12" front and 4 piston 12.2" rear set ups for $1920, plenty of braking and lighter than the OEM stuff. The 6 piston while pretty is not needed.
If you want to drop some real coin I can get the StopTech F&R kits for $3850....

[Mitch Wright]

I have been talking to FFR about rear brake bias, they are working on a mount for a pedal box/bias bar for the 818. I am told the blue R test car currently has a Wilwood pedal box installed. It does sound like the option is being worked on, more news to come.

[longislandwrx]

I can get the Wilwood 4 piston 12" front and 4 piston 12.2" rear set ups for $1920, plenty of braking and lighter than the OEM stuff. The 6 piston while pretty is not needed.
If you want to drop some real coin I can get the StopTech F&R kits for $3850....



I noticed the 12/12.2 on wilwoods site... I wonder why the rears ended up with a larger rotor.

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[JeromeS13]

Probably to allow room for the internal e-brake.


I noticed the 12/12.2 on wilwoods site... I wonder why the rears ended up with a larger rotor.

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[Canadian818]

I noticed the 12/12.2 on wilwoods site... I wonder why the rears ended up with a larger rotor.

ty

I thought that was odd as well. But with adjustable brake bias it shouldn't be a problem. I'd love some bigger rotors and 6 piston calipers up front, but it jacks the price over $700. With drilled and slotted rotors it would be getting close to 3k for everything, and that's just too much for me.

[07FIREBLADE]

To bad they are the wrong type of pistons for me... ;)

Well ill take more pistons up front to if I have too...

[Wayne Presley]

Well the Lotus' I race have the same rotor front and rear. If you want the big 6 piston brakes, I'll sell them to you.

[metros]

I was thinking having the same rotor/pad size for front and rear would be a nice feature for tracking the car. That's less spares you have to keep and more flexibility with swapping pads around in a pinch. Then the bias can be adjusted to your liking.

[Wayne Presley]

The calipers/pads are different front to rear on the Lotus.

[HelluvaEngineer]

Another brake option is to use the brakes from the 2005 -2009 Legacy GT. The Front rotors are 12.4 inches. But they are also 30mm wide instead of the smaller 24mm on the WRX. There are WRX threads on updating WRX's to Legacy GT brakes. A lot less expensive than aftermarket brakes. I would guess the WRX brakes with some stainless steel lines and some good pads will be really good.

Legacy GT
Front 316 x 30
Rear 290 (Not sure how wide the rears are )

[longislandwrx]

The benefit to me is the weight. the two piece rotors and aluminum calipers save many many lbs.

If you want to use new parts like most, the legacy swap is pricy (not too much more to go to brembos) and still heavy.

[Frank818]

Legacy GT
Front 316 x 30
Rear 290 (Not sure how wide the rears are )

Interesting, I came across a 6-pot/4-pot 13/12.1 upgrade kit for 02-07 WRX for $2,370....
http://scoobytuner.com/products/?vApplicationID=40&sfID1=262&sfID2=155&sfID3=263&productID=5

[Wayne Presley]

Wilwood makes two types of front 6 piston calipers, one is lug mount (like OEM) and the other is radial mount. The radial mount set gets 13" rotors instead of the 12.88 on the lug mount. Both are overkill in my opinion but look really cool inside the wheels. Get the slotted and forget about the cross drilled rotors as they tend to crack through the holes when used hard

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[Frank818]

Yes I see that in many places, it seems drilled rotors have a tendency to be more fragile than slotted. I prefer slotted anyway, but I wrote down your comment on 2-piece rotors and alu calipers. I guess Wilwood makes a "not-too-overkill" kit for the WRX we could use on the 818? I mean not too overkill for the 818. If I want to save weight, rolling parts like wheels, tires and brakes/unsprung weight is always good.

[Xusia]

I guess Wilwood makes a "not-too-overkill" kit for the WRX we could use on the 818?

Hey Frank,

Subaru makes a "not-too-overkill" brake set as well. And they come FREE with your donor WRX!! LOL

<I know, I know... They are heavy. :)>

[bstuke]

I plan on spending a lot more money on the "go" part verses the "stop" part. OEM 4 piston fronts and two piston backs that came with my donor are plenty... Now to get them balanced properly. I suspect more time will be spent getting Dual MC, brackets and such working properly. If there is such a thing yet.

[longislandwrx]

The not too overkill kit would be the 4pot fronts and either 4pot rears or oem rears.

the open house S had oem rears because they said the oem rears were actually lighter

I'd love to see some real numbers from someone who actually measures/installs the rear kit.

[Frank818]

Hey Frank,

Subaru makes a "not-too-overkill" brake set as well. And they come FREE with your donor WRX!! LOL

<I know, I know... They are heavy. :)>

You got a point! :) Up to the weight, yes. :) I should have said "very powerful and good looking", but "not too overkill". lolll

[StatGSR]

I hate brake caliper snobs... people need to understand that the right pad can damn near solve all of your problems up until the point were you put too much heat into the system. The only way to find out if you are putting in to much heat is to upgrade your pads put in some decent fluid and go to the track, if you don't boil your brake fluid or over shoot the limits of your pad, you are in good shape and your only out the cost of pads.

For example, i stop my 2500lb integra with single piston 11inch vented rotor fronts and single piston 10inch solid rotor rears. I currently run Hawk Blues in the front and Axxis Ultimates in the rear, The Hawk is still just an entry level HPDE/Race pad and the Ultimates are nothing more than a performance street pad. I can run 20 minute sessions with hard braking on this setup and still never have any fade issues and i still have why more aggressive pads, that said i have no reason to upgrade pads cause right now i already have way more clamping force than I need and have to worry more about flat spotting a tire than i do cooking my brakes. While the Blue Pad isn't meant to be driven on the street, it is still drivable without swapping pads.

[wleehendrick]

Now to get them balanced properly. I suspect more time will be spent getting Dual MC, brackets and such working properly. If there is such a thing yet.

I also will be fine with the brakes from my 06 donor. I would also to prefer to use the Subaru pedal box and MC. Could a proportioning valve be a viable method of balancing, rather than going to a dual MC?

[Wayne Presley]

Factory five supplies a Wilwood proportioning valve with the kit.

[longislandwrx]

I hate brake caliper snobs... people need to understand that the right pad can damn near solve all of your problems up until the point were you put too much heat into the system. The only way to find out if you are putting in to much heat is to upgrade your pads put in some decent fluid and go to the track, if you don't boil your brake fluid or over shoot the limits of your pad, you are in good shape and your only out the cost of pads.

For example, i stop my 2500lb integra with single piston 11inch vented rotor fronts and single piston 10inch solid rotor rears. I currently run Hawk Blues in the front and Axxis Ultimates in the rear, The Hawk is still just an entry level HPDE/Race pad and the Ultimates are nothing more than a performance street pad. I can run 20 minute sessions with hard braking on this setup and still never have any fade issues and i still have why more aggressive pads, that said i have no reason to upgrade pads cause right now i already have way more clamping force than I need and have to worry more about flat spotting a tire than i do cooking my brakes. While the Blue Pad isn't meant to be driven on the street, it is still drivable without swapping pads.

glad this works for you. Think they'd hold up in a longer race though?
I don't think anyone here is being a snob though. No one mentioned putting $6000 endless brakes on a hard parked stanced vw. People are building track cars here

[bstuke]

I also will be fine with the brakes from my 06 donor. I would also to prefer to use the Subaru pedal box and MC. Could a proportioning valve be a viable method of balancing, rather than going to a dual MC?
What Wayne said.

Factory five supplies a Wilwood proportioning valve with the kit.

I suspected as much.. I still would rather at least have separate masters, and the ability to choose the correct size based on the caliper. Then use a balance bar and bias adjuster. It just plain old works better. I bet the bracket would identical to what JG has in the Challenge Car..

[wleehendrick]

Factory five supplies a Wilwood proportioning valve with the kit.

Good to know, thanks! I figured FFR had it covered.

[Wayne Presley]

glad this works for you. Think they'd hold up in a
I don't think anyone here is being a snob though. No one mentioned putting $6000 endless brakes on a hard parked stanced vw. People are building track cars here

Here are the calipers off one of the Lotus that use 11.25" rotors F&R, car weighs 2150 with me in it. Even at Road Atlanta where you go from 105 to 65 then 130 to 50 every lap with the anitlocks going off (Hoosier A6's), tells me I have enough raw braking power. I have yet to fade the brakes which tells me I have enough thermal capacity. So I firmly believe the 12"/12" rotor 4 piston Wilwoods are going to be plenty of brake package for anything short of 500 RWHP 818's running slicks. And the stock WRX brake set up with Hawk/Porterfield/CarboTech pads will be plenty for any street car and light track use.


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[bstuke]

Is it me or do the front caliper look like PBR's that go on a Roadster, and the back caliper looks like the same rotor in the 11.65 rear Mustang GT Ford Racing kit?

[shinn497]

I thought the advantage of wilwood brakes is that they are lighter. Unsprung weight can be very important.

[longislandwrx]

Here are the calipers off one of the Lotus that use 11.25" rotors F&R, car weighs 2150 with me in it. Even at Road Atlanta where you go from 105 to 65 then 130 to 50 every lap with the anitlocks going off (Hoosier A6's), tells me I have enough raw braking power. I have yet to fade the brakes which tells me I have enough thermal capacity. So I firmly believe the 12"/12" rotor 4 piston Wilwoods are going to be plenty of brake package for anything short of 500 RWHP 818's running slicks. And the stock WRX brake set up with Hawk/Porterfield/CarboTech pads will be plenty for any street car and light track use.


I agree with this, I too think 6 pots are overkill, I was just saying if a few people get them I wouldn't call that being a brake snob.

[StatGSR]

^ The only reason i was so harsh is because i find it hilarious how many people are willing to spend $1000-3000 on "name brand" brake kits, just to run a crappy pad compound in them. And then they will think they are the best thing ever since the only thing they ever knew before was a stock caliper with a crappy pad compound in them.... If they spend and hour and educate themselves on different pads, try some things out in real life, they will be shocked at how much stopping power you can get for $400-500 bux, heck maybe even less. If this is going to be a "track car" the owner should really do themselves a favor and learn a thing or two pads before showing up, you don't need facy brakes on a track car, you just need brakes that work time after time, and from a reliability standpoint, very few options are going to beat out OEM.

I understand pedal feel can be improved with nicer calipers, but as far as i'm concerned, the best thing about 4 pots in general is that is a little quicker and easier to change pads, but unless you swap out every time you go to the track, it's not all that much quicker than swapping them out on a sliding caliper, just a little easier to avoid getting burnt if you are doing it while they are hot.

[CNGreen]

Don't mind me guys, I'm testing a new setting-

DH

[longislandwrx]

Right on. A set of hawks and some quality brake fluid and the WRX stops like a champ but will still fade after some hard driving. spend another $120 on an h6 upgrade and you can spend a lot lore time on the track. They will still fade though if pushed hard and the dust boots will burn up pretty quick.

On a much lighter car this may be all you need though.

the Wilwoods really appeal to me because the last time I checked they themselves made over 8 pads for them. and I'm sure there are a ton more that fit. The weight savings is also huge. Pad changes as you said are nice too.

[D2W]

Does anybody know the actual weights of the two different caliper/rotor combo's of the WRX vs the wilwood brake option. I'm curious just how much weight can be saved.

[longislandwrx]

OEM front brakes 2-pot or 4-pot are about 50-55 lbs

Wilwood Front 4-Pot Brakes 31lbs

You will save about 20 lbs of unsprung weight by doing the fronts.

Not sure about the back weights.

[SkiRideDrive]

OEM front brakes 2-pot or 4-pot are about 50-55 lbs

Wilwood Front 4-Pot Brakes 31lbs

You will save about 20 lbs of unsprung weight by doing the fronts.

Not sure about the back weights.

Wow. I did not realize it was that substantial.

It would be awesome if someone could measure the deflection differences between the stock and wilwood calipers. Back in my SAE days the easiest way to test was to put a set amount of pressure on the pedal (the high tech way is to put a bathroom scale between your foot and the brake pedal) and then to have a set of calipers around the caliper to measure its neutral width and then how much it deflects at approximated threshold pressures (how hard you push the pedal to lock up the tires). People are discussing the ability of the brake system to shed heat, but for me another important factor is pedal feel, especially without an antilock system.

[Frank818]

For me my #1 criterion is pedal feel. Then braking power and weight, then in 3rd looks.

[Wayne Presley]

LMK when you are ready to order a set

[DodgyTim]

From the R&T article....
"The 2006 WRX brakes on this car prove to be more than adequate. Small wonder, as they were designed to stop a car nearly twice as heavy. It’s possible to lock the fronts at any speed if you want to……"
Also there was no mention of fade in 15 laps.
I'm going to start with my donor's 2006 standard brakes (with good pads) and see how it goes. Can always spend more money later.....;)

[D2W]

OEM front brakes 2-pot or 4-pot are about 50-55 lbs

Wilwood Front 4-Pot Brakes 31lbs

You will save about 20 lbs of unsprung weight by doing the fronts.

Not sure about the back weights.

That is a substantial amount. I see now why FFR had the Wilwood calipers on the 818S at the open house. It will be interesting to see what a true donor build with all the stock parts including the seats will weigh.

[Xusia]

I can get the Wilwood 4 piston 12" front and 4 piston 12.2" rear set ups for $1920, plenty of braking and lighter than the OEM stuff. The 6 piston while pretty is not needed.
If you want to drop some real coin I can get the StopTech F&R kits for $3850....

Wayne,

I'm considering the Wilwood brake package and have a few questions. I'm posting here rather then sending you a PM or email because others might want to know as well.

Does this setup perform better than the best stock WRX setup? (I assume so!)
Is that price for the red, black or either, and does it include shipping?
Any pics of that set up?
What is the emergency/parking brake solution for these? (in other words, can I just connect the factory cable or is there more involved?)
When installing these, what differences are there vs. OEM (i.e. brake lines run, connectors, mounting brackets, etc.)? Is there anything NOT included?

Thanks!