Thanks tundra2050. I went with the j pipes and side pipes in the kit. I haven't had any issues with them either rattling or giving a leg bbq, but I do recall, as you said, pictures where they are under the car. Likely that would reduce ground clearance and the side set up that I have puts the pipes really low as it is. I haven't scraped over speed bumps, but I think about it any time I go over a speed bump. My 2 cents.