Mark's '35 Truck Build Extended w/Gen 3 Coyote

While fitting the hood, I discovered three surprises.

The build manual is really lacking in the hood area. Some examples... I couldn't find anywhere in the manual about installing the bracket to the hood (where the hinge arm attaches); one picture shows a different bracket (i.e., the hood bracket is point down vs forward in one of the pictures).

However, after determining the bracket points forward and making a decision on the position of the backet (again, the manual has noting on this step) I marked where to drill the mounting holes. I had assumed I would need to install rivet nuts to install the 1/4-20 button head bolts. Luckly, I drilled the pilot hole first with a 13/64" bit only to discover that the fiberglass mounting area is backed by aluminum. So, I could tap the threads needed vs using rivet nuts. Again, the manual makes no reference to this. Had I drilled the 3/8" hole needed for the rivet nuts, I'd been screwed! Ref pic 1 below, after I drilled the pilot holes, I simply followed up with a drill/tap bit for the 1/4-20 threads needed for the button head bolts

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1708694237

When I was fitting the hood to the cowl, it was raised up on the driver's side. Looking under the hood, I saw the bottom of the hood raised area was hitting the Tilton 3 lids of the brake fluid container. So, I applied painters' tape to the hood area hitting the lids, took a marker to trace around the 3 lids so I knew where to cut the reliefs. The next pic shows I used a hole saw without the pilot bit.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1708694237

The next shot shows the hood back on and the brake fluid lids fitting nicely in the 3 reliefs I cut.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1708694237

When I do the body work on the hood, I'll fill the three cavities to finish this area.

Stay Tuned,
Mark

As a follow up to the above Hood post above....
While installing the latch post/pin to the hood, I discovered Aluminum there also, so drill carefully so you can tap with a 1/4-20 thread. The manual says install rivet nuts so it's wrong again.

While installing the hood prop rod bracket, that is hollow fiberglass (no aluminum) and I installed 10-32 rivet nuts for that application. The prop rod also needs shorten... I cut off about 2.5".

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1708796662

Installing the actual latch to the firewall is a bit tedious to ensure the latch post/pin and the latch is aligned and set to the proper vertical depth. I just applied tape to the firewall, hood closed and flashlight in hand I could use a marker to locate the pin on the firewall.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1708796662

Update on the grill shroud. FFR is sending me a new one as the original was not trimmed correctly at the factory (i.e., the right side was trimmed to much to make it all fit properly). Once the new shroud is fitted, I can move on to the engine bay side covers.

Today, I'll focus on fabricating the brackets to hold the ECU and radiator overflow tank. Both will be installed in the area between the back of the radiator fan and the front of the engine. I'll document all that later.

Mark

After fabricating the brackets to hold my Radiator Coolant overflow tank I got it all installed.

The only place to mount my overflow tank was between the radiator fan and the engine. There was no way the long cylinder tank that came with the kit would work there (too long). So I purchased this 2-liter tank that fit the space available perfectly.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1708970435

After bolting in the brackets to the frame, I installed the tank and connected all the hoses.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1708970435

A nice feature of this tank is the side mounted fluid level tube

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Here's the back side of the tank.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1708970435

I really don't expect too much coolant expansion since I'm going to use Evan's Waterless coolant. Since there is no water and the coolant has a very high boil point, there won't be much PSI pressure to cause the fluid to expand and overflow into the tank. That's my experience from a previous build.

Up next is the ECU mounting. I fabricated the bracket and waiting for the paint to dry. I'll install it tomorrow and share some pics

Stay Tuned,
Mark

Withe the ECU bracket fabricated and painted it was time to install it.

Here's the bracket. The lower part of the bracket is bolted to the frame with 4 pan head bolts. This way I can remove easily if needed.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1709036438

The next two pictures show the ECU w/bracket installed

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1709036438

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1709036438

I wrapped the ECU with insulation to help guard the ECU from direct heat and water that might spray through the grill/radiator. It should be fine given this pretty much matches the install location in the Mustang with the Coyote engine.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1709036438

One of the items I'm working on today is a backup hood release. I'm concerned about of the latch connected cable if it ever breaks... i.e., how the heck would I ever get the hood open without damaging the hood if the cable broke?

Stay Tuned,
Mark

Yesyerday, I ended my update post with a little tease, i.e., having a backup to open my hood in case the latch cable broke.

I first removed the latch from the firewall to help me figure out what options I had. Once removed, I noticed a small hole in the latch arm next to the post that holds the cable for the factory pull latch opener. Once I saw that hole, I then knew exactly what I would do. You see, back in the day with carburetors, we used a simple manual choke pull cable. Well, as it happens, I had one laying around from a previous car build I never used.... the package was a bit dusty... but it will work

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1709123826

Since the Holley choke cable was very long and would need cut, I first mounted the pull knob in an area I could get to open the hood if ever needed. I chose the left side lower firewall. I mounted the L bracket (a left-over parts from the FFR emergency brake handle kit I didn't use) to one of the bolts that held my gas pedal in place

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1709123826

Then routed the cable end up to the hood latch. Once I determined the length needed, I carefully cut the cable housing with a Dremel cutting disc.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1709123826

Once the cable housing was removed and I then cut the actual cable/wire, I bent the wire in the Z shape that will be installed into the latch hole

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1709123826

This last pic shows the wire/cable installed and ready to remount to the firewall. I did some test and it opened/closed just fine.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1709123826

Later,
Mark

Does the latch have enough strength to reset itself with that attached?
Mike

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Does the latch have enough strength to reset itself with that attached?
Mike

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Hi Mike... the latch works just fine.... i.e., no difference at all before or after I installed the backup pull latch opener.

Thx the the question

Mark

While waiting for my new radiator/grill cowl, I'm doing other odds and ends, e.g.., more electrical connections, audio wirings, etc.

I finished connecting my E-Stopp electric emergency brake. The instructions said to connect the blue wire to the Ignition Switch so the brake can't be switch on while driving (i.e., If the blue wire senses +12v, you can't set or un-set the e-brake) . I didn't like that because it would mean I'd have to turn off the ignition system before I could set the emergency/parking brake. So, what I did was use the brake light wire and a relay. As most of you know, the relay has a Normally Closed (NC) and a Normally Open (NO) circuit. I connected the Blue wire to the NC which provides the +12v, thereby, preventing the e-Brake from being set. The +12v needed to trigger the relay to change from NC to NO comes from the Brake Light circuit. Thereby, when I depress the brake pedal and the brake light circuit is energized, the relay sends +12v to the NO (open/not connected to anything) and removing the +12v from the NC. With the +12v now removed from the Blue wire, I can set the e-brake. I also will have to press the brake pedal to release the e-brake. I think this is much better then the ignition switch.

I also mounted my Ah-ooo-gah horn. I took advantage of one of the mounting bolts from the coolant overflow can. I used a U shape bracket and a hose clamp around the horn's motor and over the U shape bracket. It's a very secure mount.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1709208310

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1709208310

more to come,
Mark

I had a PM asking about my Exhaust H set up and why I did it. I'll answer in here in my build thread so all can read the response.

An H or X-Pipe is better for the exhaust vs straight pipes.

Why an X-Pipe?
An X-Pipe is, you guessed it, shaped like an x, and allows the exhaust to flow down the path of least resistance. At lower revs, turbulence is formed as exhaust gases try to shuffle past a second column of gases coming from the other side. While always producing more power than the restrictive factory system, the potential gains are not seen until higher rpms are reached. This is where an X-Pipe stands apart from the rest. Exhaust gas is pushed out harder as the engine spins faster. The X-Pipe merges this chaos into two uniform streams, allowing a smooth flow from engine to tailpipe.

Both streams keep each other up to speed, which draws even more spent exhaust out the cylinders. Magnaflow X-Pipes provide a boost in horsepower and a higher tone akin to an exotic car.

Why an H-Pipe?
An H-Pipe is also shaped like its namesake and relies on exhaust expansion to balance the cylinder banks. A small section of tubing in between the main pipes provides an area for gases to expand into during exhaust pulses. Only a small amount of exhaust flows from one stream to the other as both sides push back and forth in the center section. Flow master H-Pipes feature low restriction, so gains in performance are noticed from low rpm and give the exhaust a deeper, muscle car-like tone.

While both X and H pipes serve the same purpose, they use different methods to build power and economy, all while providing a distinctive sound. Think of an X-Pipe as being at home in a high-winding modern V6 or V8 while an H-Pipe conjures memories of tire-shredding torque in classic American iron.

An X-pipe's supposed advantage is that because the bends are smoother at the convergence, the flow and scavenging are both better, and hence the X-pipe is worth more power.

Most V8s do not fire symmetrically, i.e. alternating left bank right bank, so the X or H pipe balances the pulses or waves between the two mufflers and tailpipes creating a more efficient flow..

Hopes this helps.

Mark

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Thanks Just 1 More.... this Engine Masters video resulted it what I've heard...... H pipe better for lower RPM and thumper sound. The X pipe sound (based on a previous build I've done) sound more high rev/sports car sound.

For my truck, I like the thumper sound. At the end of the day.... each his/her own there is no wrong answer.

Thanks for sharing.

Mark

I applied 2K Clear Coat to the Grill, both rear taillight brackets and the lic plate bracket.

In keeping with the "brushed" steel look like I did with the Steering column, I simply did light sanding on all the parts. In pic 1 below, I stated with a sanding wheel on all the parts. Then hand sanded where the sanding wheel couldn't reach.... and yes, the grill's vertical ribs where tedious to say the least. After the sanding, I cleaned all parts with Acetone several times.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1709305877

This next pic shows I placed cardboard behind the grill to help protect the radiator and AC condenser. Also note the hanging parts in front of the grill ready for clear coating.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1709305902

The next three parts have all been clear coated. It's hard to see "clear", but it came out very well. The Clear on the brushed metal kind of gave a "satin" look. Perfect for wait I wanted. The clear coat on the grill is especially important with it be aluminum to help prevent oxidation.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1709305933

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1709305955

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1709305971

Up next, while still waiting for the grill's cowl fiberglass, I'll prep the rear taillights and headlights.

stay tuned,
Mark

Some lessons learned and modifications of the Headlight and Taillight wiring instructions and my mockups.

First the Headlights. The instructions refer to the smaller red and green wires on the back of the headlight unit. Well, they are red and yellow. They also refer to the red as DRL (daylight running lights) and the yellow (green) as the turn signal. If you want DRLs you need to run a +12v hot from the ignition sw. Our wire harness has to each headlight a ground, Hi beam, Low beam, turn and Park). I didn't want DRL, so I connected the Red to the Park and the Yellow to the Turn. The park is a White light, and the turn is Amber light. As you'll see in the pic, I ran the two extra wires in the plastic sleeve.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1709390588

For the taillights, the first pic is showing the spliced wires that will run through the flexible coil SS wire conduit

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1709390973

As you'll see in the next pic, I didn't follow the instructions by drilling a 1/8" hole in the bulb socket plate. Instead, I removed the entire socket that's pressed in the taillight housing.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1709390973

After cutting the 12" length of the flexible coil SS wire conduit, I ran the wires through the cut end first and then put the cut end into the taillight housing and used a hot glue gun to hold the coil and wires in place. The next two pics show both taillights. What you don't see in the pictures is I also hot glued the outside also. The provided wire way cover will cover the hot glue.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1709390973

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1709390973

On a side note, the 2K clear coat came out so well, I'm also going to clear coat the engine bay side cover vents and the brushed aluminum windshield wipers.

more to follow,
Mark

Quick update. While waiting for my replacement grill/radiator cowl, I'm doing lots of miscellaneous tasks (most aren't worth adding to this build thread).

A couple, I'll mention here, are the door jam parts and the bumper/radiator coolant connection.

First the door jamb switches and rubber wireway looms I picked up from Amazon. The switches will provide a "ground" when the doors are opened to the interior doom lights (I shared in an earlier post in this thread) and also an input to the security system. The switches I purchased have a rather long probe that you can cut to work in various opening gaps. I also bought larger rubber wireway looms for the wires (for the electric windows and speakers I'll add to the door card panels) that offer less strain and twisting with the "Z" shape vs a straight loom that will buckle and bend.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1709815781

Next, I want to get the radiator coolant added, but to do that, I had to install the front bumper I fabricated.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1685787955

in the next two pics, you can clearly see why I had to install the bumper first as I had to run the return radiator host through the bumper frame.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1709815781

This pic shows the long run down from the Coyote's thermostat housing.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1709815781

Mark

With the coolant system all buttoned up, it's time to add the coolant.

I'm using a waterless coolant product by Evans. With no water, the boiling point is very high at ~375* F and no corrosion. Also, with the high boiling point, the PSI is very low at ~4-5psi. Lastly, it's more efficient of cooling the engine with the heat transfer being better than water. I've used this product before with very good results.

For adding the coolant, I'm using my Airlift system I've used in every build and personal auto.
The Airlift provides several benefits:
1. It works by first drawing a vacuum on the cooling system. Once the vacuum gets to ~26 you close the valve. This will hold the vacuum if you have no leaks anywhere. If the vacuum starts to drop, you find the leak and fix it.
2. Once the system holds the vacuum, you place the Evans antifreeze in a bucket, drop in a pickup hose and attach the other end of the pickup hose to the valve. When you open the valve, the vacuum will suck in the antifreeze with no voids and eliminating any hot spots.

The lid of the Airlift and instructions

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1709990365

Filling the 5 gal bucket with antifreeze. The coolant is the color of apple juice.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1709990770

In the next pic, you see the air compressor airline connected to the valve. When air passes through the Venturi Assembly, it creates a vacuum in the cooling system via the venturi effect. Note the Vacuum gauge showing ~26. A reading of 30 is considered a full 100% vacuum.... but the system used here will only go to ~26. With a vacuum pump used on the AC system you can get to ~29.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1709990802

In the last pic below, you can see the vacuum on the cooling system sucking up the antifreeze out of the bucket, thereby filling the radiator, engine block, heater and all the hoses.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1709991770

Mark

A friend of mind gave me a well made replica of a Ford's early "30s radiator cap thermometer. It's really well made and functional.

I'm thinking of mounting it on my grill/radiator cowl. I'd like any feedback on this as our "35 builds would have had one.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1709991803

And the back side clearly showing the thermometer.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1709991822

Your thoughts most welcome.

The base of the thermometer is brass and has 7/16-20 threads.

Thx Mark

I'm now fitting the hood to the grill cowl. My issue and what I need help/advice with is the front left and right bottom of the hood. The issue is the hood is tight against the cowl. I know the lower part of the hood gets trimmed to fit the engine bay side covers, but the hood is still too narrow and tight against the cowl. The cowl is pulled tight against frame's mounting tab.... so, it's the hood vs the cowl.

I'd think I'm not the only one with this issue and I'm looking for guidance/help on what to do. Any ideas weldcome.

Left side looking forward.... you can see cowl sticking out.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1710525073

Right side with cowl sticking out.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1710525073

Help,
Mark

Mark, I have exactly the same issue. I thought with the bottom edge trimmed, that that would be sufficient, but I'm having my doubts. Can't pull the cowl in any tighter. Does the entire rear edge of the cowl need to be trimmed off ? DonS

Mine was the same way. Also didn't sit flat, e.g. was high on one side versus the other. Don't remember who suggested it, but I put bumpers all around the cowl that forced it out to match. Then put the hood out in direct sunlight on my driveway for a couple hours. In the summer for Michigan. Not now. :rolleyes: The black absorbs heat so it got pretty warm. Quickly moved it back onto the chassis and the bumpers and strapped down. Left if for a day or whatever and it matched quite well and sat flat. Your experience may vary but that worked for me.

I had a similar issue in the front where the hood matches the radiator surround and engine covers. It pinched there a bit too. I wasn't as successful getting it a lot better. I sanded the underside of the hood in that area as much as I thought I could and also ended up putting Xpel on the engine sides to keep from damaging the paint as it opened and closed. It was pretty OK but never perfect.

In general, I spent a lot of time getting all the fiberglass pieces to match up acceptably. Once painted, it all blended together and looked decent. But not sure it's possible to get the same fit and gaps as a metal body. Not without way more time and effort than I was willing to spend.

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Mark, I have exactly the same issue. I thought with the bottom edge trimmed, that that would be sufficient, but I'm having my doubts. Can't pull the cowl in any tighter. Does the entire rear edge of the cowl need to be trimmed off ? DonS

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Don, I don't think you wand to remove the rear edge of the cowl.... there must be another way.

Mark

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Mine was the same way. Also didn't sit flat, e.g. was high on one side versus the other. Don't remember who suggested it, but I put bumpers all around the cowl that forced it out to match. Then put the hood out in direct sunlight on my driveway for a couple hours. In the summer for Michigan. Not now. :rolleyes: The black absorbs heat so it got pretty warm. Quickly moved it back onto the chassis and the bumpers and strapped down. Left if for a day or whatever and it matched quite well and sat flat. Your experience may vary but that worked for me.

I had a similar issue in the front where the hood matches the radiator surround and engine covers. It pinched there a bit too. I wasn't as successful getting it a lot better. I sanded the underside of the hood in that area as much as I thought I could and also ended up putting Xpel on the engine sides to keep from damaging the paint as it opened and closed. It was pretty OK but never perfect.

In general, I spent a lot of time getting all the fiberglass pieces to match up acceptably. Once painted, it all blended together and looked decent. But not sure it's possible to get the same fit and gaps as a metal body. Not without way more time and effort than I was willing to spend.

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Thanks Paul. I'll try the sun.

When you put the rubber bumpers on the cowl.... how did you prevent the open hood from smashing the bumpers when closing it?

I have a couple ideas:

1. I was thinking of a wedge type deal made of steel or aluminum where the hood would hit the very thin part of the wedge and being forced open/out as the hood is closed.
2. I was also going to experiment with a thick wedge between the bracket on the underside of the hood where the hinge bracket connects to see if the hood bottom side would spread some.... but the bracket may be too far back from the front of the hood to help any in that area?
3. Lastly, another thought that occurred to me was some sort of rod from the underside of the center of the hood, one left and one right... i.e., rod from center of the hood to the lower inside corner of the front of the hood to "push" it out? I realize there's lot of obstacles to get around, e.g., top coolant hose/cap, etc. If the obstacles can be overcome, the center of the underside of the hood would need stiffen/built up so the rod force does cause an hump/bump in the top of the hood.

Anyway.... I'll wait to see if others chime in

Thanks

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Thanks Paul. I'll try the sun.

When you put the rubber bumpers on the cowl.... how did you prevent the open hood from smashing the bumpers when closing it?

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Don't overcomplicate it. Try simple first. I found once it was in the sun and relaxed against the bumpers, it opened and closed without the bumpers being a factor. I also used medium hard ones.

OK, based on some input from Paul.... my first attempt to "bow" out the lower corners of the front of the hood is shown in the pics below. I pulled each corner out about 3/8" and wedged some wood blocks between the fiberglass and the hinge arms. I then applied heat via a heat gun both outside and inside the hood area. I'll do this several times a day over several days and let the blocks in for several days.

Lastly, the button head screws that hold the engine side covers via a bracket that bolts to the grill cowl will also hold the hood out. The button head can be adjusted out by adding washers as needed. I'll also bevel the inside of the hood to help the hood slide over the button head.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1710607663

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1710607663

Fingers Crossed,
Mark

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OK, based on some input from Paul.... my first attempt to "bow" out the lower corners of the front of the hood is shown in the pics below. I pulled each corner out about 3/8" and wedged some wood blocks between the fiberglass and the hinge arms. I then applied heat via a heat gun both outside and inside the hood area. I'll do this several times a day over several days and let the blocks in for several days.

Lastly, the button head screws that hold the engine side covers via a bracket that bolts to the grill cowl will also hold the hood out. The button head can be adjusted out by adding washers as needed. I'll also bevel the inside of the hood to help the hood slide over the button head.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1710607663

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1710607663

Fingers Crossed,
Mark

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Hey Mark, I found that the button heads spread the front of the hood out to very close to even. At the rear I’m considering a positioning wedge for lining up as it closes.

For the doors I found that your knee at bottom and pulling out the top as you tighten the bolts gives a lot of adjustment. Also I read on facebook where someone used a couple of pipe wrenches to twist the door metal for top to bottom alignment.

Lewis

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Hey Mark, I found that the button heads spread the front of the hood out to very close to even. At the rear I’m considering a positioning wedge for lining up as it closes.

For the doors I found that your knee at bottom and pulling out the top as you tighten the bolts gives a lot of adjustment. Also I read on facebook where someone used a couple of pipe wrenches to twist the door metal for top to bottom alignment.

Lewis

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Thx Lewis. The wedges at the rear makes sense. Back when I did a '68 Triumph TR-250 they used wedges for the hood to center it. I guess you could buy larger wedges for a pick axe or sledge hammer to hold the head to the wood handle, grind them smooth and glue in place... or spot weld a 10-24 threaded stud to the back side and bolt in place? Time will tell on that part.

I now have the engine covers fitted and still need to cut the hood on the underside of the bulge (beltline). Once the front fender is fitted, I'll cut out the openings for the engine vents in the eng side covers.

Mark

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Thx Lewis. The wedges at the rear makes sense. Back when I did a '68 Triumph TR-250 they used wedges for the hood to center it. I guess you could buy larger wedges for a pick axe or sledge hammer to hold the head to the wood handle, grind them smooth and glue in place... or spot weld a 10-24 threaded stud to the back side and bolt in place? Time will tell on that part.

I now have the engine covers fitted and still need to cut the hood on the underside of the bulge (beltline). Once the front fender is fitted, I'll cut out the openings for the engine vents in the eng side covers.

Mark

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What are you using for the vents? I haven’t been able to decide yet.

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What are you using for the vents? I haven’t been able to decide yet.

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I bought the same vents that Paul got. In his build thread he gives the vender he used. I even had the vents anodized clear by the vender that made the vents (he uses a local vendor to him). That way the vents will match the grill and steering column

Mark

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Originally Posted by Lew

What are you using for the vents? I haven’t been able to decide yet.

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I bought the same vents that Paul got. In his build thread he gives the vender he used. I even had the vents anodized clear by the vender that made the vents (he uses a local vendor to him). That way the vents will match the grill and steering column

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1664967640

Mark

Lewis, et. al., here's the link to the vendor that the side vents came from:

http://www.streetdreamsbyross.com/vents.php

Mark

I fitted the grill cowl, and it came out well. However, the cowl was too big relative to the grill, i.e., When the top and sides of the cowl were fitted, the bottom seam when touching caused the bottom sides of the cowl to stick out. The only option I had was to cut ~1/2" off the cowl bottom which eliminated the vertical piece that would have been bolted to the other side of the cowl. Instead of making a new vertical, I just used a piece of leftover aluminum that I'll attach via pop rivets to hold the seam together. It will never be seen .... so good enough for me.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1710679599

For the top of the cowl, when I bolted the top back of the cowl to the bracket that extends from the top of the grill, it lifted the front center of the cowl about 1/8" off/above the grill. To remedy this situation, I incorporated my early '30s Ford radiator thermometer I shared earlier in this thread. I simply drilled through the centerline of the cowl top and into the solid portion of the grill/cowl bracket... then tapped with a 7/16-20 tap that the radiator thermometer could screw into.... that solved the raised cowl and added my "hood ornament". I really like the outcome

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1710679599

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1710679599

Today, I'll finish the side cover fitment and start with the front fenders, running boards and rear fender fitment.

Stay tuned,
Mark

Love the radiator thermometer. You'll have a good time with the old-time "experts" telling you the original '35 didn't have one... I rarely had my truck at a show or cars and coffee where someone told me I had the wrong grille, wrong wipers, wrong whatever. Seems many of the so-called experts of cars of that era feel it's their place to tell you what's not authentic about yours. I would try to explain it was a tribute to a '35 truck and nothing about it was authentic. From the frame, suspension, fiberglass body, LS3 engine (the hood was always open), etc. But that didn't matter. Kind of got on my nerves to be honest.

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Originally Posted by edwardb

Love the radiator thermometer. You'll have a good time with the old-time "experts" telling you the original '35 didn't have one... I rarely had my truck at a show or cars and coffee where someone told me I had the wrong grille, wrong wipers, wrong whatever. Seems many of the so-called experts of cars of that era feel it's their place to tell you what's not authentic about yours. I would try to explain it was a tribute to a '35 truck and nothing about it was authentic. From the frame, suspension, fiberglass body, LS3 engine (the hood was always open), etc. But that didn't matter. Kind of got on my nerves to be honest.

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Thanks Paul. I do like the hood ornament a lot.... just that extra twinkle. And I hear what you're saying about all the "experts".... as I built a Cobra 427 S/C from Unique Motorcars ( www.uniquemotorcars.com ) and heard those comments also.

Mark

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Originally Posted by mkassab

OK, based on some input from Paul.... my first attempt to "bow" out the lower corners of the front of the hood is shown in the pics below. I pulled each corner out about 3/8" and wedged some wood blocks between the fiberglass and the hinge arms. I then applied heat via a heat gun both outside and inside the hood area. I'll do this several times a day over several days and let the blocks in for several days.

Lastly, the button head screws that hold the engine side covers via a bracket that bolts to the grill cowl will also hold the hood out. The button head can be adjusted out by adding washers as needed. I'll also bevel the inside of the hood to help the hood slide over the button head.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1710607663

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1710607663

Fingers Crossed,
Mark

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I wanted to follow-up with the Hood fitment using the wood blocks and heat gun. I only waited ~24 hours and removed the blocks. I trimmed the bottom edge of the hood using the multitool.... it made fast and straight work with little dust. The multitool isn't used much, but sure handy when needed.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1710764711

Then I closed the hood and Paul's word that heat is you friend here is true..... the front lower edge of the hood was expanded/spread just right.

Mark

Another milestone met, the front & rear fenders and running boards installed!

All-in-all, the installation went well and easier than I anticipated. The most tedious part was the two rear fenders where you have to cut out for the four raised ribs on the truck bed sides, i.e., lots of on/off with the fenders to ensure a good fit

Here's a shot of the right side. The two post lift sure made it a lot easier standing vs laying on the ground. Also, if you look closely where the very front of the front fender meets the grill/radiator cowl, you'll see a black line on the green tape. This black line indicated the bottom of the 7th rib of the grill. I did this on both sides to ensure an even mounting of the fenders.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1710764745

Here's a shot of the front fender underside. I haven't drilled the 1/4" holes yet for the bolt mounting..... I started with 3/16" cleco clip fasteners

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1710764934

And the last two pics of the rear fender underside front and rear respectively.

Front half:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1710764960

Rear half:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1710764993

Question for those that have installed fenders.... did you use bolt, fender washers and nuts or rivet-nuts? I feel rivet-nuts wouldn't be as good as fender washers and nuts for the "hold" power and also the rivet-nuts would introduce a small gap between the sides and the fenders because the rivet-nuts have the ridge on the outside. Thoughts?

Planned work for today is Making the Hood Tiedown leather straps and cutting in the engine side covers vents. If that goes quickly, I'll shoot for the headlight mounting also.

Mush more to follow,
Mark

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Originally Posted by mkassab

Question for those that have installed fenders.... did you use bolt, fender washers and nuts or rivet-nuts? I feel rivet-nuts wouldn't be as good as fender washers and nuts for the "hold" power and also the rivet-nuts would introduce a small gap between the sides and the fenders because the rivet-nuts have the ridge on the outside. Thoughts?
Mark

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I did a mixture of rivnuts and bolts/nuts on mine. Basically, anywhere it was difficult to access the back side I installed rivnuts. As I recall, that was mainly the bed sides and the fenders. Where the rivnuts were in fiberglass, I put fender washers on the back sides of the rivnuts before pulling them. Eliminated the possibility of them pulling through the fiberglass. I didn't find the added thickness of the rivnuts was an issue. I was especially happy I did it that way since the thing was taken apart and put back together multiple times.

Well, I didn't get everything done that I planned on, but I did get the Hood leather straps and buckles made.

When I first bought the kit (a year ago.... time flies!) I oiled the leather with a high-quality leather conditioner that will help with the sun and rain. I did the same with the leather bits that came with the kit, i.e., door swing and tailgate straps.

I first determined the overall length I needed the tie down straps needed to be. Then cut the leather, 3 sections needed for each side.

I had to punch out 3/16"s holes for the "fake" rivets

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1710937132

Once the holes were punched, it was quick work to assemble the parts. I added a small amount of blue Loctite to each nut

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1710937158

The next pit shows the approximate location I'll install the straps.... but before I can drill any holes in the body, I had to do the next step

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1710937183

As you can see in the pic below, I installed the straps on a piece of plywood, I attached the straps with about 3/8" further apart from the normal "latched" position. I did this to "pre-stretch" the straps. I'll leave them stretch until I'm sure all the play is out of them, then layout and drill the attachment holes needed for final installation.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1710937208

One worry I have is the straps may mar/scratch the final paint.... so, I plan to add some 3M clear bra material behind each strap. I'll show this when that step happens.

stay tuned
Mark

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Originally Posted by edwardb

I did a mixture of rivnuts and bolts/nuts on mine. Basically, anywhere it was difficult to access the back side I installed rivnuts. As I recall, that was mainly the bed sides and the fenders. Where the rivnuts were in fiberglass, I put fender washers on the back sides of the rivnuts before pulling them. Eliminated the possibility of them pulling through the fiberglass. I didn't find the added thickness of the rivnuts was an issue. I was especially happy I did it that way since the thing was taken apart and put back together multiple times.

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Thanks Paul.... seems like strategic use of rivnuts are in order.

Mark

I have the headlights mounted and that was pretty easy and straight forward. I measured several different ways to ensure each headlight is exactly in the same relative position on the fender, i.e., left/right and front/back.

What I wasn't happy with was how easy it will be for the headlight to vibrate/shake when driving down the road. Since this will be a daily drive for me.... I came up with a way to add additional headlight mount support directly to the frame.

The spot on the frame to mount the support brace will be the pilot hole on the radiator/grill brace (note the green tape with the arrow pointing to the pilot hole). I'll drill and tap to 1/4-20. On the other end of the brace will be the U shape bracket that will bolt on to the headlight 1/2" stud. I had this U shape in my metal scrap pile and I only had to cut to the proper length drill the 1/2" hole in it.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1711045234

In the next picture, you can see I used the long ss bracket FFR supplied in the kit that was to support the rear bed side if I didn't use fenders. (If you purchase fenders like I did, the kit comes with shorter brackets to support both the bed side and the rear fender. After cutting to the proper length and twisting a little to get both end surfaces flush with the mounting surfaces, I clamped the two brackets together.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1711045274

Clamped and ready for welding

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1711045309

Two support brackets welded and ready for used. I just need to coat the U bracket to prevent rust.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1711045415

Lastly, I laid out the area on the engine side panels that I'll cut out for my engine vents shown in earlier posts in this thread. This will get cut out after I remove the eng side panels.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1711045196

stay tuned
Mark

One note on the headlights and one question.

First the note.... both of my headlight bucket enclosures had slight swivel/rotation where the base is riveted to the housing buckets. The only possible explanation is the holes for the rivets were larger than the rivet diameter. I could have added additional attachments like screws or pop rivets... but I went an easier route. I scratched up the metal bucket and the base with a file and applied epoxy to stop the rotation.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1711107248

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1711107248

Another item I'm worried about is these buckets made of steel & chrome plated and I'm very concerned about rust inside the bucket (I'm pretty sure they are steel vs ss since a Magnet sticks like crazy... and yes, I know some stainless will allow a magnet to stick so I could be wrong on them being steel). Also, there is no drain hole..... so, my question is, has anyone drilled a weep hole in the bottom of the bucket?

For now, I'll coat the bucket's inside with some sort of coating to help prevent rust and live with the steel buckets for now. Speedway Motors sells Stainless Steel Buckets if the buckets rust out.

Mark

Part 1 of 2.

I started the cutting of the bed side to add stacks for the bed rails. I bought from FFR the bedside stack pockets.... but had to cut through the stainless-steel liner so the bed stakes can enter the pockets.

I first laid out the stake openings based on the center of the stake pockets below. I drilled from the bottom up with a 1/8" drill bit to locate the inside center of the pocket. Then drilled the four corners and started with a Dremel cutting wheel for the rough opening. I must say, the ss is very hard on the cutting wheel. I went through ~2 cutting discs per stake hole. And the Dremel cutting wheels aren't cheap.... at about $2.41/disc

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1711214319

Next, to open up the rough cut out for the stake hole I used a hand metal file and my small belt sander to match the size of the stakes (1 7/8" x 1 1/8")

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1711214342

I'll get all four stake holes cut out and sized correctly then proceed to fit the stakes and rails.

I'll cover that part tomorrow with Part 2 of 2.

Lastly, here's a pic of the truck for the first time with the fenders, running boards and wheels and tires on and sitting on the ground. Setting low and mean looking I believe.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1711215910

Stay tuned,
Mark