RickShank's Roadster Build - P/S Reservoir, strike 2

Slower progress today, but forward.

Mount fixed. Trimmed about 1/4" and a few inches wide to be 100% sure there won't be contact to the TKX casting. When I trimmed just the flashing (1/4" or so wide), I got some additional contact when I reinstalled it. So I did some more.

Starter installed. Also missed the engine ground strap to the engine side of the mount. That was a wild goose chase to fix, when I should have just notched the ground wire into a fork terminal. Oh well.

P/S reservoir issue - waiting to hear back from Breeze for the Jones Racing baffled reservoir. It's a direct mount to the pump, but has a second inlet option that will clear the steering shaft.

Back to wiring stuff tomorrow, getting closer there.

Things I need to sort out:
P/S - GM Type 2 pump (1200 psi from what I see) to Ford rack (800 psi) - I have some links for the some pressure reducer options, but need to research a bit more.
A/C - looks like I need to run a wire for the fan relay to share the ground trigger. The compressor (Black wire) on the 302/347 compressor gets triggered by the Trinary switch, which is installed on the drier on the right side of the engine bay (per Gen3 coupe instructions). That ground trigger needs to come from there back to the fuse panel.
Gauge sensors - WT/OP. I need to check Rickster's thread to see where he ended up with these.
Vacuum line for booster - same - Check Rickster's thread.
Throttle cable - not sure if the FF cable is what I want here or what with the ProFlo4. May just call Summit Racing and see what they recommend.

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I have the GM type II pump and used this to reduce the pressure. https://cvfracing.com/saginaw-p-seri...valve-800-psi/

Here's another option if you want adjustability. https://classicperform.com/shop/90400

For the throttle cable scrap the FFR one and get the best, Lokar.

I have a BP 347, and TKX dressed by Mike Forte as well. I guess I might as well trim mine before I install it. Thanks for this guys

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Originally Posted by RobHartley

I have a BP 347, and TKX dressed by Mike Forte as well. I guess I might as well trim mine before I install it. Thanks for this guys

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I grabbed the Breeze reservoir. Should have it in a few days and I'll post a picture once it's on.

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I grabbed the Breeze reservoir. Should have it in a few days and I'll post a picture once it's on.

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My reservoir from Forte has two returns, one on the side and one on the bottom similar to the Breeze reservoir (pn 70659), does yours not? I am wondering about using the bottom based on your picture of the closeness to the steering shaft. Will also wait to see it with the Breeze reservoir. Thanks for this!
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That is what I'm buying basically. Jones Racing, but Breeze stocks it (unlike most not in stock). I have a plastic reservoir and it won't work.

Following your build. Curious to see your final power steering pump setup.

I'm running a Mustang pump on my current build; if it's too sensitive I may do something similar to your setup. I ran a KRC pump on my first build and it worked great. It used a flow control orifice on the outlet allowing me to choose the appropriate sized fitting to suit my assist preference.

BTW, the YouTube timelapse was great.

Thanks! I ordered these parts:
https://proshop.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-TC-1000HT36
https://proshop.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-XTCB-40PF4L
$215 after tax to my door with my ProShop account.

Coming out of TX, not OH this time to PA with some snow arriving tomorrow, so hopefully by Monday or so.

Called Summit to find out about the Pro Shop account and was told you have to submit a copy of your Racer's License to set up a Pro Shop Account. I don't have a racer's license, so no Summit deals for me!!!!

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Thanks! I ordered these parts:
https://proshop.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-TC-1000HT36
https://proshop.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-XTCB-40PF4L
$215 after tax to my door with my ProShop account.

Coming out of TX, not OH this time to PA with some snow arriving tomorrow, so hopefully by Monday or so.

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For what I've spent on amateur motorsports, it's cheaper not to be eligible for their Pro Shop :D

I installed those same Lokar parts yesterday. Really pleased with the quality, ease of installation, and the overall look. Also, well designed for future adjustments, if needed.

Agree. My son Scott was an amateur enduro motorcycle racer. We kept Honda and Rocky Mountain MC/ATV in business!!!

On your Lokar order. Do you have a Sniper 1 or 2. I just ordered those same parts. I have a Sniper 2 and Summit, and Lokar recommended Lokar Throttle Cable Brackets TCB-40HS2

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For what I've spent on amateur motorsports, it's cheaper not to be eligible for their Pro Shop :D

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I have an Edelbrock ProFlo4. So different bracket/part.

​Clicking ahead, starting the jobby-job on Monday so things will be slowing down but still pushing forward to get the engine started sooner rather than later.

Since the last update, wiring necessary for the startup is done. Fuel pump, brake/clutch pedal switches, even trans reverse light. Front/rear harnesses at least attached enough to know where stuff goes. Front splash guards in front of wheels are installed, which had to play nice with the front harness routing.

Big step today was brakes. "Bench bleeding" the MCs while installed in the car, then bleeding the brakes out to the calipers. There were plenty of smaller leaks. 6? 2 of which were caliper banjo bolts finger tight. The others just took a mild ugga (no dugga) to snug up and the leaks went away. Raised the reservoirs to make sure we were getting good intake, but the real key for bench bleeding in the car was to make sure the rubber bleed line was submerged in brake fluid so it wouldn't suck air back. I'd say the brakes are 95% bled, I'll bleed them again before driving after the agitated air bubbles have time to come together. This worked fine for bench bleeding - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DHR84X56...fed_asin_title

I need to adjust the balance bar for brake bias, there are some guidelines on that. I figured I'd let the brake sit a day, then do a couple strong pushed on it tomorrow to make sure we're still air tight.

No clutch yet, I want to dry fit the line first, then I'll use the clutch line to bench bleed that vs using a different fitting.

Driveshaft - there is an aluminum flange adapter that goes into the rear end side, the hardware source must have changed and the socket caps didn't fit down in like they were supposed to. My lathe made that a very uneventful process - .020" off, just the rounded out knurling. Pic below.

The 10.5" driveshaft didn't it. Turns out I have a Coyote/TKX driveshaft. I need the shorter one 8 3/8. Talked to FF, they're shipping one out and I'll send this one back. I got it slid on the transmission after removing the trans mount and pulling the trans over a bit, only to find out it didn't fit. Also shared my adapter bolt info and about the notching needed for the trans mount.

I think these are the key items before engine startup. Some aren't necessarily holding up the startup, but things that have been on the list that need done:

Brake balance bar adjustment
Headers
- Bolts
- Gasket
Drive shaft
Front Sway bar - shorten
Rear e-brake - attach with SS zip tie
Inside rear cockpit panels / trunk panels
Engine fuel
Oil pressure and water temp sensors
Vacuum lines
Power steering
Radiator


Heat-A/C after startup.
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My power steering is too soft at high speeds. I’m going to add a Heidt’s valve to see if that helps.

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Originally Posted by rickster991

My power steering is too soft at high speeds. I’m going to add a Heidt’s valve to see if that helps.

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Or try an adjustable valve like this. https://classicperform.com/shop/90400

And back to power steering. I bought the Breeze/Jones reservoir. Installed it, turns out it's bigger than the plastic one, so it intrudes on the steering shaft even more.

What's my next option? I'm guessing a pump change, which may require different accessory brackets?

It's a BP 347 (dressed/sold by Forte) in a MK5 with power steering, seems like this should be more straightforward.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d92e359356.jpgIMG_1956 by Rick Shank, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5c2628dcaf.jpgIMG_1957 by Rick Shank, on Flickr

You can use a remote reservoir.

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Yep, remote reservoir.

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How do I connect into the push-in inlet of the pump?

Anyone want a Jones/Breeze reservoir or plastic one? I've got a pile of unneeded stuff already.

I'm using this Type II pump with screw in fittings. https://cvfracing.com/power-steering...teering-pumps/

What pump do you have?

Here's all I know about the pump (invoice) - it's a slip fit with o-ring on the inlet. Guess that puts me at over $700 into this part.

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This one specifically? https://cvfracing.com/gm-type-ii-power-steering-pump/

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Originally Posted by rickshank

And back to power steering. I bought the Breeze/Jones reservoir. Installed it, turns out it's bigger than the plastic one, so it intrudes on the steering shaft even more.

What's my next option? I'm guessing a pump change, which may require different accessory brackets?

It's a BP 347 (dressed/sold by Forte) in a MK5 with power steering, seems like this should be more straightforward.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d92e359356.jpgIMG_1956 by Rick Shank, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5c2628dcaf.jpgIMG_1957 by Rick Shank, on Flickr

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Well this is perplexing... I'm a ways off from dropping my engine in but looking at this I am a little concerned as that reservoir looks very similar to the one Mike Forte included on mine...

Depending on the reservoir - the plastic one will allow you to get the engine in, the Jones reservoir will obviously not unless the steering shaft is removed.

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Drivetrain is in! Big thanks to my buddy and my dad stopping out to get it done.

It was mostly ready to go when they came out, but three people is the right number. You could do it with less if you've done it before, you'll just increase the amount of time. One on the engine lift, one up front for the engine mounts/damage control and someone laying on my dirty floor dealing with the transmission tail.

The drivetrain itself was just under an hour. Then we installed the headers loosely as I'm waiting for upgraded Stage8 locking fasteners that are in a UPS delivery delay.

Couple issues - the transmission mount just touches the casting of the transmission case. It's probably fine, but there isn't any adjustment in the location to make this any better. I will very likely pull that back out tonight/tomorrow, clearance it slightly, and reinstall.

Second issue - power steering reservoir inlet wants to occupy the same space as the steering shaft. 'm guessing this setup works fine in a MK4 car but we need to do something different for a MKV. I'll call Forte tomorrow.

Huge step and it's really looking like a car now. I need to grab a seat and steering wheel to make some vroom vroom noises.

302->347ci stroker, Tremec TKX 5 speed with forward shift conversion.

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Can you provide a picture of Transmission area. I would like to see how the forward shift position looks in the mk5 with an SBF engine. I’m trying to decide if I want the forward position or just the 180 flip position.
Great build thread
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by MardellCheney

Can you provide a picture of Transmission area. I would like to see how the forward shift position looks in the mk5 with an SBF engine. I’m trying to decide if I want the forward position or just the 180 flip position.
Great build thread
Thanks.

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something I just learned, the shifter and brake chrome trim rings will not fit in the rear shifter position. If you have electric brakes, no problem.
Just sharing. Ralph

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Originally Posted by rponfick

something I just learned, the shifter and brake chrome trim rings will not fit in the rear shifter position. If you have electric brakes, no problem.
Just sharing. Ralph

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Just the rear most position, or the 180 degree flipped position also?

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Originally Posted by MardellCheney

Can you provide a picture of Transmission area. I would like to see how the forward shift position looks in the mk5 with an SBF engine. I’m trying to decide if I want the forward position or just the 180 flip position.
Great build thread
Thanks.

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Here you go.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...511fd4cfd4.jpgForward shift Tremec TKX by Rick Shank, on Flickr

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Here you go.

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Thank you, that is very helpful.

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Here you go.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...511fd4cfd4.jpgForward shift Tremec TKX by Rick Shank, on Flickr

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Isn't this called the mid-shift position? Not just turning the stock shifter plate around 180 degrees? I think you need extra parts for this position?
Ralph