Fmans Dart 427 build #9818 - 14" Leather steering wheel

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Originally Posted by v1-vr

Great craftsman you are Travis
Looks as perfection is in your blood

Have you checked out the airflow the screen might decrease.
Seems along time ago I did some research with airflow into
motorhome generator compartments and was surprised of the decrease screens vs louves on the door.

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Vspeeds has been running this mesh on his car with a Roush 427 and over 7000 miles on it now with no issues, so I can only assume the airflow will be fine and not reduce cooling. I think more importantly is having a good shroud and fan to pull air, this is why I went with the Breeze fan shroud. Making this cover is pretty simple, a few cuts of aluminum, rivets, and the spring clips is about all it takes. One of the reasons I liked it so much, easy to construct and functional.

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Originally Posted by Fman

Vspeeds has been running this mesh on his car with a Roush 427 and over 7000 miles on it now with no issues, so I can only assume the airflow will be fine and not reduce cooling. I think more importantly is having a good shroud and fan to pull air, this is why I went with the Breeze fan shroud. Making this cover is pretty simple, a few cuts of aluminum, rivets, and the spring clips is about all it takes. One of the reasons I liked it so much, easy to construct and functional.

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I have used the same mesh on a couple Roadster builds with no issues. Along with my own custom sheet metal.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albu...370&fit=bounds

Sounds like a proven add on. Great idea to protect the radiator
and eliminates the fin combing chore.
From memory though and I'm an old guy it's amazing how much of a drop in airflow even though looking at it you wouldn't think.

Dave
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For anyone out in Elk Grove this morning it was a pleasure to meet you and see some really nice cars. I always enjoy looking under the hood and seeing how everyone puts there own customization into these builds. Lets hope we can get a local club going!

I was able to accomplish a few things on my build today. Saturday, I got back all my powder coating my entire car is officially now pimped in full powder coat. I have been really happy with Advanced Performance Coatings in Auburn, CA. They have done a fantastic job and are reasonably priced. Anyone in the Sacramento area would highly recommend them. The more I work with the silver vein powder coating it is proving to be extremely durable and scratch resistant, so far no regrets going with this finish.

I also picked up some black aluminum rivets from McMaster Carr, they are working great and look nice against silver vein powder coat. Below is a link to the rivets, I ordered 1000 of the 1/8" x 0.063"-0.125" and 300 of the 1/8" x 0.313"-0.375".

https://www.mcmaster.com/97526A120

https://www.mcmaster.com/97526A590

I also mounted my CNC triple reservoir, got my foot boxes/engine compartment cleco'd back together, and started mounting brake clip tabs in the front. I am getting close to start running my brake lines and I got some good news from Factory Five, my LCA's and some other missing parts should be arriving early this week!:D

My triple CNC mounted up, I used (3) 1/4-20 button head stainless bolts to mount the 1/8" alum plate I cut out and (4) 1/4-20 button head bolts to secure the reservoir. It is rock solid, not planning on it going anywhere.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1592189337

Here is backside of the triple CNC and my DS footbox put back together. I still need to figure out my three line routing going into master cylinders, I have to pick up some rubber grommets for this.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1592189359

Passenger side foot box back together

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1592189379

Engine compartment slowly starting to come together

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1592189393

F panel officially riveted, my first panel without a Cleco in it. Note the black aluminum McMaster Carr rivets.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1592189413

Front brake clips mounted

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1592193606

Thing of beauty Fman! Nice work.

Looks great - really like the black rivets against that powdercoat.

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Originally Posted by Mark K

Looks great - really like the black rivets against that powdercoat.

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agreed! looks stellar!!

Had a super productive day in my shop today, I finished my front end along with installing the Mustang GT disc brakes. I also was able to run my first hard brake line! Kind of a milestone to start working on the brake lines. Vspeeds loaned me his Eastwood flare tool and it is amazing how well it works, makes flaring simple and easy. The flexible Copper-nickel line is pretty easy to work with.

I did have to remove my radiator to get to the front of the X member to install the pillow clips, not a big deal it actually comes out in about two minutes.

Here is the Copper-nickel line I ordered on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Eastwood flare tool:
https://www.eastwood.com/professiona...ring-tool.html

Front end completed, notice on top cross member where the four holes are for Breeze radiator hinge there is remnants of where I had to cut off the mounting tabs. I ended up painting over it with Satin black paint which seems to be a perfect match for the powder coat FFR used.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1592451858

I painted my GT calipers silver

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1592451871

First brake line run, I guess it looks decent?

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1592451885
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1592451894
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1592451906

One other item I changed was switchng all the banjo fittings to copper crush washers. Anyone interested in doing this here is the link to the pack of crush washers I picked up (Thanks Papa for the link)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1592451986

Nice work! Everything is looking great so far. Congrats on getting the first brake line installed. I'm a bit behind you - hoping to start running brake lines next week.

One other item I am using is some backer rod I had laying around in my garage. It seems to be working well to measure out the length of the brake line run needed, it will get you within a few inches. I just use some tape and attach to the frame where I would be running the brake lines.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1592451940
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1592451918
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1592451926
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1592451933

That's a great idea - backer rod as a template.

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Originally Posted by Mark K

That's a great idea - backer rod as a template.

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Thanks Mark, I cant really think of any other way to figure out how to measure out how long each run needs to be. I have a question about tightening the fittings, how tight do you end up going? The manual says 29 ft lbs on the banjo fitting, my 3/8 torque wrench is not super great so I just went tight without risk of stripping out something. I figure if I have a leak I can always tighten down a little more.

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Originally Posted by Mark K

That's a great idea - backer rod as a template.

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agreed, on my list for the next home depot run :)

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Thanks Mark, I cant really think of any other way to figure out how to measure out how long each run needs to be. I have a question about tightening the fittings, how tight do you end up going? The manual says 29 ft lbs on the banjo fitting, my 3/8 torque wrench is not super great so I just went tight without risk of stripping out something. I figure if I have a leak I can always tighten down a little more.

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assuming the copper crush washers should snug up nicely, is that the reason for going that route?
are you using PTFE paste on the fittings?
everything I see is up to 15 ft-lbs on banjo bolts

also, are you using a line straightener for the brake lines? Eastwood seems to have a decent one for 1/4" lines
Eastwood 1/4 in. Handheld Tubing Straighteners Coiled to Straight Tubing Tool for Brake & Fuel Line Tube Flaring
Attachment 130161

this one may be better as it could work on 3/8" fuel lines as well (adjustable) - I think @chrisarella used this
Tool Guy Republic TGR Brake & Fuel Line Tubing Straightener - 3/16" - 1/2" Diameter Tubing

Attachment 130169

didn't realize you got your LCAs - exciting day for sure! You got a ton completed!!

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Originally Posted by Fman

Thanks Mark, I cant really think of any other way to figure out how to measure out how long each run needs to be. I have a question about tightening the fittings, how tight do you end up going? The manual says 29 ft lbs on the banjo fitting, my 3/8 torque wrench is not super great so I just went tight without risk of stripping out something. I figure if I have a leak I can always tighten down a little more.

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"Just tight enough to not leak" seems to be the right answer for banjo bolts. I've seen several threads where folks have tightened to the manual-recommended spec and ended up stripping or snapping the bolt. Here's just one example:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/show...ar-Banjo-Bolts

29 ft lbs sounds like way too much to me for those bolts.

What the others said...just tight enough not to leak. I used the same approach for joining my hard brake and fuel line union and adapter fittings.

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Originally Posted by toadster

agreed, on my list for the next home depot run :)



assuming the copper crush washers should snug up nicely, is that the reason for going that route?
are you using PTFE paste on the fittings?
everything I see is up to 15 ft-lbs on banjo bolts

also, are you using a line straightener for the brake lines? Eastwood seems to have a decent one for 1/4" lines
Eastwood 1/4 in. Handheld Tubing Straighteners Coiled to Straight Tubing Tool for Brake & Fuel Line Tube Flaring
Attachment 130161

this one may be better as it could work on 3/8" fuel lines as well (adjustable) - I think @chrisarella used this
Tool Guy Republic TGR Brake & Fuel Line Tubing Straightener - 3/16" - 1/2" Diameter Tubing

Attachment 130169

didn't realize you got your LCAs - exciting day for sure! You got a ton completed!!

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Todd,

I went with copper crush washers because the FFR washers looked mediocre at best and Vspeeds recommended the copper.

I did not use any PTFE paste on the fittings, I have no idea what that product is? got any more info on this?

I do have the eastwood straightener also loaned to me by Vspeeds, the one line I was able to run I did not use it. Planning on trying it on the other lines.

Page 203 of the my build manual says...

"Torque the front flexible brake line to caliper banjo bolts to 29 lb-ft with a torque wrench and 9/16” socket."

I am just going tight and will adjust once I bleed the brakes...

No paste on fittings with a crush washer. The washer is doing the sealing job, not the threads. Only time to use sealant is on NPT (National Pipe Tapered) fittings where the threads are doing the sealing.

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No paste on fittings with a crush washer. The washer is doing the sealing job, not the threads. Only time to use sealant is on NPT (National Pipe Tapered) fittings where the threads are doing the sealing.

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ah yes, thanks for the reminder!

I was able to get all my hard brake lines finished up today, glad that is over. I have come to realize bending brake lines is not one of my strongest skills for this build. I got it done and thankful for the Eastwood flare tool and the copper nickel brake line that is very easy to work with. I still need to bleed the lines so that will be another task in the future. I was able to get away with one 25' roll of line with about 3 feet left over. One bad run that gets ruined and your more than likely going to be using two rolls.

For the front I ended up running the hard line up by the top channel behind the triple CNC reservoir. I liked this location to keep the brake lines away from the heat of the exhaust. I am hoping I do not have any issues bleeding the line, time will tell on this. I have seen a few other guys run it here so hopefully it will work out.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1592885384

I also used a small piece of fuel line I had left over to wrap around the upper bend to avoid any metal on metal contact, the rubber line is perfect size and seems like it will work out fine. It is not noticeable from looking downward only from upward angle.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1592885372

The rear lines are completely covered with the spring guard wrap, this stuff is heavy duty and should protect it from any debris kicked up from the tires and road.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1592885232

I was able to make one complete long run from back to front and not use any unions which I was pleased about. Having a lift definitely makes this easier but I still think it could be done with the copper nickel line on jack stands.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1592885245
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1592885269

This is the location I chose for the rear cross piece

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1592885286
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1592885305

For the front footbox I used a piece of fuel line to wrap around the inner piece of brake line. I figured it adds some protection against heat, I will be using the thermo tech heat barrier on everything but I know that footbox panel will be very warm. I like to think the brake fluid is as cool as possible. This could completely serve no real purpose but I figure it cant hurt anything.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1592885322
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1592885345

I was also able get all three flex lines trimmed down and attached to master cylinders

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1592886814

Today I also got a cool package from Ansen Valve Covers :cool:

I wanted to dress up my 427 with a little different valve cover than the 427 Cobra Ford Racing that most guys end up using. I put together this design and had Ansen valve covers come up these what I call "Legend Lives" edition. They had a Shelby signature on a different style so we modified it and came up with this design. I also had them use the AC Cobra snake logo for the air cleaner. I was really pleased with how they turned out, looking forward to dropping them off to my engine builder and see them come to life once mounted on the engine. Ansen valve covers has been great to work with and will do any design you can come up with. Ask for Allen, he will take care of you!

https://www.ansenvalvecovers.com/

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1592887356

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1592887360

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1592887363

Nice bling!

Fman, your build is looking absolutely Fmantastic! I dig the PC color and the attention to detail, nicely done. As for the engine dress, dang, Cinderella never had it so good! And your beauty has no time deadline.
Keep at it, I/we can't wait to see that all bolted on.

Dj

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Fman, your build is looking absolutely Fmantastic! I dig the PC color and the attention to detail, nicely done. As for the engine dress, dang, Cinderella never had it so good! And your beauty has no time deadline.
Keep at it, I/we can't wait to see that all bolted on.

Dj

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Thank you, I appreciate the kind words of motivation... I am definitely a weekend hack wrench turner and really enjoying the build process. As others have mentioned it only seems to get better as the car starts to come together! Really fortunate to have this forum to study and able to learn a ton from other builders and threads, which is definitely making the process much more do-able for me.

After a horrendous night at work and two hours of sleep I powered through today and made a little more progress on the Mk4. Thankful for a good cup of joe and some Diet Cokes today to help me make it through the day.

THREAD UPDATE 05/21/21: I ended up not using the extra door hinge extension on the e-brake handle, it was not allowing the e-brake to retract enough and apply enough tension. I have since removed it and the e-brake is working better, although still not as good as e-stopp which I will be adding later on this winter.

Like many others I wanted to improve the FFR cable routing, not a fan of it going under the 4" round tube. I went to the Edwardb playbook, page 34 and there was the Lokar brake mod, I also used a page out of sunshine garage write up. Always appreciate Paul and all the other builders posting up there build pics to help newbs out like myself:D

https://www.sunshinegaragemkiv.com/c...ncy-brake.html

Here is a pic of the final product after I spent a few hours trying different angles and handle mounts. I was not happy with the lokar alum clevis block hitting the carriage bolt head when tightened up, after a few pulls it was already starting to scrape up the aluminum piece, over time I think this would be a problem. Of all things I ended up using a piece of stainless door hinge I had laying around in my garage. Ironically the holes aligned up perfectly to extend the handle bracket down and create more leverage and much better clearance. I ended up cutting off the hinge slots, grinding the edge smooth and painting the hinge.

I am really pleased with how this turned out, 2-3 clicks on the handle it pulls the cables tight and no components are hitting the lower carriage bolt now. I truly feel like I will have a solid, safe working e-brake now which is what I was hoping for.

This picture is with the e-brake engaged

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1593401767

Ebrake handle disengaged

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...9&d=1593405147

Door hinge after it was painted and cut down. I did have to enlarge the lower and upper hole to accommodate the larger bolt, simple and easy.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1593401775

Stainless door hinge before it was cut down and painted

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1593401803

Rollers that are used to support the cable while under tension

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1593401789

I have started installing the Thermo tech heat and sound suppressor. I finished the passenger side footbox and firewall. I am glad I cut the pieces before riveting the passenger footbox, it is very difficult even with a lift to get inside that passenger footbox area once the panels are installed. I was pleasantly surprised how well the thermo tech adheres to the panels and how there is a very noticeable difference in how the aluminum sounds once thermo tech is installed. Being optimistic I do believe it will help insulate the car and reduce some heat in the footboxes. I am planning on using it on both foot boxes, cockpit and trunk area.

Hopefully later this week I will finish up the DS footbox then possibly start thinking about starting electrical

Here is the passenger side footbox finished up with Thermotech. I found the best way to cut this product is with a razor knife, scisscors did not seem to work that great. After I completed riveting I went back and cut some seam strips to cover the riveted areas.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1593401732

Passenger side footbox riveted up

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...8&d=1593401842

Firewall with thermotech riveted up

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...1&d=1593401720
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...0&d=1593401702

My awesome wife picked this up for me for fathers day, just arrived, nice little addition the shop;)

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1593401746

Travis - that's some cool innovation using the door hinge! :)

lookin great buddy! You should probably look at doing carpet in the footbox while you're at it :)

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Travis - that's some cool innovation using the door hinge! :)

lookin great buddy! You should probably look at doing carpet in the footbox while you're at it :)

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Todd, I knew there was a reason I never returned that hinge to home depot! Who would have thought, but it did the job and seems to be solid, not expecting any issues with it. That extra length added to the arm makes a noticeable difference to help pull the handle up easier and creates needed clearance. Thanks for the tip on the carpet, I was wondering when the carpet should start going in. I was surprised how difficult it was to access those foot boxes without the side piece off. I definitely wont be attaching the drivers outside panel permanently until after my go-kart.

Performance coatings finished my wheels this week, another perfect PC job from them! highly recommend them... my son talked me into going with gloss black I was a hesitant at first but I have to admit I am liking the look of them mounted up. I had them mounted up at Americas Tire Co. today those guys always do a good job, great customer service and have good pricing. I guess I officially have a rolling chassis car now or at least close to it. One thing for sure my IRS and front end is way out alignment, I am going to need to do some research on this on how I get it "close" enough for go-karting down the road before I can get it to alignment shop once the car is finished.

I was also able to install my Powerstop brake kit for the front end with drilled and slotted rotors and upraded pads. They claim 30% better braking over stock Mustang GT setup, time will tell. It is definitely affordable well priced upgrade and I do think the rotors look a lot better than the factory oem setup. Hoping to see the rear kit arrive next week.

Powerstop front brake kit, anyone interested here is link to where I purchased.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWR-K1301-26

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1593660942

17" Halibrands, PC gloss black mounted on NItto 555 G2s. Front tires 255/40ZR17, Rear 315/35ZR17 purchased online from Americas Tire Co.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1593660967
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...6&d=1593661009
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...7&d=1593661031

Very nice!

lookin awesome!!!

Happy 4th of July to everyone, hope this weekend your able to get out and enjoy some time with your family and friends! in CA we get to wear masks, lucky us;)

I started my electrical today, only mounted the panel and then I started to have some questions so thought it would be a good stopping point.

First question, is everyone running the large wire bundle over the steering column shaft? Seems like the only option, not liking how it contacts the shaft, any other ideas?

I am running Mike Forte throttle linkage, anyone using his linkage could you let me know how far over do I need to go with the two 1 1/4" holes in firewall for electrical so I have enough real estate to mount Forte's throttle linkage? Any measurements or help on this would be appreciated! I definitely do not want to drill any holes in my firewall without making 100% sure they are in the proper locations. RF does give mounting hole measurements but they are not taking into consideration people using Forte's throttle linkage setup.

Is there any gotchas with the Ron Francis wiring harness I should be aware of? Just follow the manual step by step?

Thanks in advance for anyone who can give me any help on this...it is always appreciated.

RF fuse panel mounted, I painted it satin black and realized why Powder coating is so much more durable than rattle can paint on aluminum. It got nicked up in a few places installing the panel, will have to go back and touch it up. Not really noticeable under the dash but I was hoping to have a clean looking panel mount with no chips in the paint.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...2&d=1593835495

Is this how most guys are running the large wire loom, over the steering shaft? I cant see many other options.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1593835509

I was also able to get my drivers footbox finished up with Thermo tech. I will finish up the seams once I permanently rivet everything, still using the Clecos on DS footbox.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...4&d=1593838142

I ended up doing everything above the brake MC's too, hopefully this keeps out as much heat as possible

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...5&d=1593838156

The harness legs need to go above the steering column. And they shouldn't touch or drag on the steering column. You need to figure out a way to keep that from happening. I use a padded clamp attached the firewall on one or more of the harness legs to keep them above. But first order of business IMO is your dash. Get your gauge and switches, including ignition and headlight, located where you want them and use that to route those legs. Route the dash harness on the dash and the legs from the main harness to line up with them. From that, you'll be able to determine the best location and routing for everything. Personally I'd wait on the holes in the firewall as well until you have everything where you think they belong. Including the engine and its connections.

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The harness legs need to go above the steering column. And they shouldn't touch or drag on the steering column. You need to figure out a way to keep that from happening. I use a padded clamp attached the firewall on one or more of the harness legs to keep them above. But first order of business IMO is your dash. Get your gauge and switches, including ignition and headlight, located where you want them and use that to route those legs. Route the dash harness on the dash and the legs from the main harness to line up with them. From that, you'll be able to determine the best location and routing for everything. Personally I'd wait on the holes in the firewall as well until you have everything where you think they belong. Including the engine and its connections.

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Thanks Paul, that makes total sense. I am planning on doing the competition dash layout, my engine is in the process of being built hoping to see it in the next 4-6 weeks.

Also I noticed the fuse panel is directly below the clutch MC and center brake MC. If those cylinders ever leaked it appears the panel would get hit with brake fluid which cant be good for anything. Have you seen anyone fab up some type of cover to eliminate any fluid potentially hitting the fuse panel?

Hunting around on the internet I did locate this, looks like a good template for comp layout? Not sure if anyone has a better layout, this was about as good as I could find.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/atta...3&d=1593973112

Hey Travis. One suggestion I've read is to put your seat in position and temporarily place the dash in position, then make some circular cutouts of all the gauges and play with their positions so that you can have a clear line of sight to all the gauges from your sitting position.

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Hey Travis. One suggestion I've read is to put your seat in position and temporarily place the dash in position, then make some circular cutouts of all the gauges and play with their positions so that you can have a clear line of sight to all the gauges from your sitting position.

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John, good idea thanks for the tip. The dash is going to keep me busy for awhile, I am looking forward to the challenge. I am also going to try and source out some good quality automotive leather and pad for the dash, not a fan of what FFR sent me. The material they sent me looks cheap and not really good quality, disappointing to see this.

Travis, I bought a cow hide on eBay for my dash and it was really nice quality. I wound up going a different direction with the dash but used the leather on the trans cover, headrests and cubby. Check this out https://www.ebay.com/itm/162592582983

Mark

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Travis, I bought a cow hide on eBay for my dash and it was really nice quality. I wound up going a different direction with the dash but used the leather on the trans cover, headrests and cubby. Check this out https://www.ebay.com/itm/162592582983

Mark

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Mark, thanks for sharing that link. That hide looks really good quality, I might just order that one up. It appears there would be enough with one hide to do the dash and center console.

One question for you, any idea if this hide matches up with the FFR leather seats?

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I noticed the fuse panel is directly below the clutch MC and center brake MC. If those cylinders ever leaked it appears the panel would get hit with brake fluid which cant be good for anything. Have you seen anyone fab up some type of cover to eliminate any fluid potentially hitting the fuse panel?

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Havent had issue with the MC's leaking (touch wood) but instead on a friends Mk3 had a case where after washing the car, the indicators would no longer flash. Fault traced to flasher can full of water. This had dripped through where the side bar on the windscreen passes through the body. Even though my friend had done his best to seal it, water still penetrated. This was a RH drive, but is pretty much a mirror image of what you are building, so something to consider?

Cheers,

Nigel