Apparently no-one else has heard of Boig?
Yes, Bob passed away, but tubular auto still makes and ships them. They fit PERFECTLY on my Coupe with a Coyote..... I know they made them for most other flavors too.
Rian
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Apparently no-one else has heard of Boig?
Yes, Bob passed away, but tubular auto still makes and ships them. They fit PERFECTLY on my Coupe with a Coyote..... I know they made them for most other flavors too.
Rian
Thanks for the reply. I'll give them a call today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rian_Colorado
I bought the lower rad hose recently, nice piece but $ for what it is. Helpful folks also, kept me updated thru the mfg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rian_Colorado
As previously stated they were bought out. They do not use credit cards, its done by mailing a check... old school, so be prepared.
Look at GP Headers.Quote:
Originally Posted by CW_MI
https://www.gpheaders.com/products/cobra-kit-headers/
Just talked to them. They have nothing for a SBF in the Mk5 chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rian_Colorado
Is there any difference in headers for a MKIV and a MK5?Quote:
Originally Posted by CW_MI
You've been a part of the FFR community far longer, and have much more experience than I have with these builds....you'd be more knowledgeable to answer that question than I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike.Bray
I haven't built a MK5 but I looked on the FFR website and it looks like the 351W headers are the same for the MKIV and MK5, 16793. So maybe ask Boig about headers for a MKIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by CW_MI
I don't think Boig Motorsports makes or sells headers at all.
After you asked that, i went and looked, also saw the part numbers are the same, although a forum member here is building a Mk5 with a 351, and had clearance issues with the FFR headers. Regardless, i don't want the FFR headers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike.Bray
If the GasN thing doesn't work out, i'll just have someone locally fabricate them.
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Originally Posted by CW_MI
No, they are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike.Bray
Jeff
Good to know, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kleiner
I bought my entire exhaust, headers and pipes from Boig/Tubular. So I know that they DID make them, and would assume that they still do.
Granted this was for a Coupe with a Coyote, but I know they were making them for many other models when Bob was alive. I know that tubular took over (I think I remember that they were the ones building them for Bob anyway).
Yes, it's old school "send a check first", and that bothers some people. I've not ever heard of a problem though. I've ordered cool tubes for 2 builds, and the exhaust - and always got what I paid for
Adding to the old school, their marketing sucks, and the web page is still Bobs from YEARS ago. They seem more interested in building the parts than the website (which makes me feel warm and fuzzy)
Yes, the finish is raw, and they don't do stainless. I black Cera-coated mine for the Coupe
RR
My experience with Gas-n Performance has been nothing but awful. I ordered Touring side pipes on June 5, 2025 and have yet to receive them. I contacted them 20 weeks after I ordered them and was told they were in the final phase of polishing. I contacted them again at week 34 and was told the exact same thing. I called them again on week 36 and was told they would be shipped out in 2 days. I was contacted by them last week at week 38 and was told they accidently shipped my order to someone else and they would contact me with an estimated ship date. I will be contacting them today to cancel my order. It seems that they have no idea how to run an efficient company and it has all fallen apart since it was sold. I would discourage anyone from ordering with them in the future but if you want to wait 9 months to be told they sent your order to someone else, then by all means order at your own risk.
I hope you get you money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loadmaster22
Bob Boig made my quiet pipes for my coupe. Yes, they make headers. I got the pipes and headers together.
Yeah that sucks. Sounds like they’ve ruined this business. So unfortunate. Hope you get your money back
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Originally Posted by Rian_Colorado
I keep hearing this, but when I called them recently, that was not the answer I got (Mk5 302 headers). In fact, I must have caught whomever answered the phone at a bad time...the conversation was quite colorful, and didn't sound too positive about FFR.Quote:
Originally Posted by drewr
Working in management for a truck dealership for 20 plus years the one thing you CANNOT do to a customer is not communicate. If Gas'n is having growing pains, the smart thing to do as a business owner is to own the problem. You know they have to be reading this forum....I would think they would. I would explain to all on here, that we are having growing pains, and thank all who have believed in us and placed orders that we will expedite all orders as we can and appreciate all of the customers who have stood behind us in our transition. At least get on here and say something. It pisses customers off more than anything to not communicate with them. Hence, we have the discussion going on here right now.
Boig/Tubular isn't a mecca of customer service either. Who only takes checks by mail these days?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by CW_MI
Funny thing...a local auto restoration shop only takes cash or check. Another local business, a coney island only takes cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by cv2065
I had a similar situation recently with Modern Classics when I ordered a dash panel for my Camaro. They make really nice molded fiberglass dashes, I ordered a center dash insert that houses AC vents, a double DIN radio, and a Dakota Digital climate control for the Vintage Air system. Made contact, got an instant reply, so sent them $400 to place the order. Got emails acknowledging the order and confirming they would ship in three weeks. In that time I emailed them with a couple of questions and they responded right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggunter
Then they went into radio silence for 6 months. Nothing. Wouldn't answer the phone or emails. About a month ago I starting emailing them every day. Then about three weeks ago I received an email saying my order was shipping. Back to radio silence for a week and a half then another email with the tracking information. Another week went by before the package was dropped off at UPS. Finally received it yesterday.
Delays in delivery are understandable but the radio silence is not acceptable and extremely frustrating. In the end it's a very nice piece but a very poor way to run a business.
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The shop that does work on my Camaro is the same way, cash or check ONLY. Pretty wild.Quote:
Originally Posted by CW_MI
Funny, customers ask me if I do PayPal, Venmo, etc. and I answer that I only deal in "real" money---cash or check ;) And sometimes in the universal currency of males---BEER.Quote:
Originally Posted by CW_MI
Jeff
I would love to take delivery of my GASN pipes, I ordered and paid for in full, $2,920 on 5th July 2025 and still no news on a delivery date a full 8 months later!
No replies to emails, then cryptic messages and no commitment to delivering.
Wow. Makes me happy I got mine 2 years ago. I think they're a great product, exactly what I was looking for. Now I'm holding on to them forever! ;)
The Factory Five stainless pipes and headers that came with my kit are pretty darn nice.
I thought about "upgrading" to Gas'N, maybe mostly due to the peer pressure on the board that "Gas'N are better"
I'm now quite satisfied with my purchase.
I've been a big supporter of Gas-N on all my builds except the truck which used the kit provided undercar system. My Coupe has the prototype Gas-N headers and dual side pipes. Worked with Georgie to get that worked out and they've been great. But that was 5+ years ago and clearly things have changed. This always was a side business for the larger company business and as I understand Georgie has retired. Couple that with the fact the Factory Five has clearly upped their game on this topic. The latest side pipes that came with my 30th anniversary Mk5 look very nice and are supposedly longer and quieter. I don't have anything to compare them with and they're still in the box. But I have no plans to change them. I'm thinking that Gas-N upgrades might be in the rear view mirror. Hopefully those that are still waiting or have paid will get their parts.
Another alternative is Classic Chambered Exhaust. I purchased custom mufflers from them and had them welded in. I lengthened the side pipes and made them a lot quieter and deeper in tone. Truth be told I welded them in initially but should not have, the person I hired did a tremendous job so I had him re do my work. All in all it was pennies on the dollar. To be clear though if you want polished your out of luck. This is a mild steel version only. You would then have to have them coated in something.
https://www.classicchambered.com/
Good luck, I lose my mind when ignored. Particularly if you have taken my money.
As I've said before I had no complaints with my Factory Five supplied headers and sidepipes. The fit and finish was A-1 and the sound is fine for us. But to be fair my wife and I both love loud cars and I'm half deaf.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimStone
The only thing Gas N offered that I would have like is SBF headers with a 3" bolt spacing. Other than that I saw nothing wrong with the FFR supplied ones.
The FFR SBF headers are nice...I've seen them. The problem is the bolt spacing and port shape, they don't match the modern SBF heads that most people use now. (AFR, DART, etc.) I brought that up a while back, when a buddy was building his coupe. I know people say it doesn't matter, but it does. Two people that work in airflow development at Roush , one of which did the cylinder heads for the coupe motor , confirmed this. Why spend the money to make power, then bolt a set of headers on that will hurt performance ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike.Bray
At this point, it's either those, take a chance with Gas N or build my own. " My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it."
I agree. Now that I've had both, I think I like the harsher sound a little more from the FFR provided ones. There are a few posts that I've read from the past that the welds don't hold up over time but I never had any issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike.Bray
Seems I’m having the same problem here too. Ordered both headers and exhaust Nov. 25th and still don’t have any update. Called 3 times last week. Texted 4 times. Left one Vm. And now just emailed and still not a peep. I heard their product is great but there is no excuse to completely ghost your customers, especially when they are paying north of $3k. Customer service is absolute garbage. They are now the sole reason for the hold up on my build.
seems like you and I are in the same boat with Gas-N. Ordered mine on June 5, 2025 and have nothing but issues contacting them. Its been 10 months now and still no delivery date in site. They did call me 3 weeks ago to inform me that they shipped my side pipes to someone else but have been ghosted since. I've tried calling, e-mail and the chat function on the site with no response.
I just spoke to them twice yesterday for sidepipe gaskets, once on the phone and once via text. They sent my gaskets out same day. Not sure where the breakdown is?
Seems like your experience isn't the norm. I was able to communicate with them twice, a couple of months ago. I called close to three weeks ago, figured I'd roll the dice and just order a set of headers. Left a message with them with exactly what I wanted and that I was ready to purchase, and also a text. I've heard nothing back from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by cv2065
I'm done with them, ended up finding something else, not exactly what I wanted but should work. If they don't, I'll just fabricate my own (with help)
That’s probably because those gaskets are readily from vendors like Breeze…which would have been my first call anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by cv2065
Jeff
These were ordered in August and just received last night. Worth the wait if you can afford to wait in my opinion.
Henry
Update, pics won’t upload. I’ll try when I get on my big boy computer. ��
My first call was to Breeze, but Mark no longer has inventory and doesn't know when he's going to get another supplier. Mark said that Gas-N had those 1-7/8" sized gaskets made specifically for those pipes. FFR has gaskets but they are not from the same supplier so not exactly sure the quality or size similarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Kleiner
FWIW....GasN seems to be back. They've reached out to me twice in the last couple of days, finally returning my call from over a month ago.
They are at the end of a 302 run, he said he had a set for me in the que, I opted out, since I bought those older full length BBK headers. Hope those work for me, and that I'm not regretting passing on the GasN's.