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Removing the donor engine and other thoughts.

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The goal for this weekend was to get the motor out of the WRX in order to replace the headgaskets I stupidly blew on my second day of ownership. I failed at that, but made some respectable progress.

Some thoughts I thought I'd share:

My engine block seems to be the sharpest casting I have ever encountered. Lots of scrapes and cuts. I noticed one particularly razor-sharp corner before cutting myself on it and actually hit it with a rat-tail file for a few seconds. Job done, but watch out for these things.

One of the how-to guides I was following wasted a good hour's worth of my time suggesting I remove a bolt that was absolutely inaccessible. The A/C compressor on my 2002 can be removed in one of two ways (in hindsight). The first is to remove the four bolts (or maybe five) bolts that hold it to a large bracket that doubles as an engine lift point. The other is to remove the compressor along with the bracket. Both methods have one very well-hidden bolt, but the bracket-removal was the way to go. I should have taken pictures of this, since it differs from the traditional method and is not covered in the shop manual. Of course if I were removing the engine to go into an 818, I would have removed some of the A/C lines, which would have made life much easier...

There are lots and lots of vacuum lines and things like that. I [i]think[/i] I've kept good track of them and marked them as best I can, but I'm pretty sure I'll end up wondering where something goes. I took some pictures and generally have a good memory for these things, but as part of a bigger project, this could get dicy. I'll see if my shop manual has a vacuum diagram or something, but it would be a great asset to the build manual if this were included there.

The turbo-to-downpipe bolts were a real pain. I got them all, eventually. But we're talking about 2' breaker bars, maybe a bit of a cheater pipe, it was ugly. And I am no longer a weedy little guy - this was serious muscle being applied! I had a great impact gun waiting there but the clearance was just not enough. In some cases it was the firewall in the way, in some cases the heat shield on the down pipe was in the way (sockets too fat to seat properly). It would be really awesome if the 818 kit left sufficient room to hit every single turbo bolt with an impact, because sooner or later that pipe is going to have to come off.

While we're on the topic - I'd really like to thank whichever Subaru engineering genius decided that it takes somewhere around a dozen M6 bolts (10mm head on Subaru) to hold [i]two[/i] heat shields onto this turbo. And these bolts aren't neatly lined up in a row, no, it's like playing Where's Waldo, except with tiny little bolts that are exposed to incredible heat. Amazingly, with generous application of Kroil (my new favorite garage helper) and some sympathetic treatment, none snapped or seized. Thank goodness for small miracles. I will seriously look into an aftermarket heat shield before reassembling this stupid motor.

At this time I would also like to plead with Dave, Jim, and whomever else is designing this thing: Let's stick with metric fasteners, please, for the love of all that is holy. It's often said that with 10, 12, 14, and 17mm wrenches, you could pretty much disassemble a Miata into its most basic components. With the Subaru, almost everything seems to be 12 and 14mm, with the 14mm being the most common this weekend. I found one SAE fastener on what was obviously a botched job by the PO, it was a right pain. 12mm didn't fit, 14mm no, 13mm no, finally I tried 1/2, bingo. If I have to play "guess the bolt standard" on this kit, I will be unable to keep this blog PG rated as there will be much cursing and gnashing of teeth.

[url=http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metric-bolt-head-wrench-size-d_1458.html]This[/url] lays out why both the Miata and the Subaru require so few tools - they stick to a standard, in this case JIS. Not some hodgepodge of JIS/DIN/ISO. In my terribly humble opinion, a true "world car" would be entirely metric and follow the donor's standard. "Anything less would be uncivilized"

Other notables: I would like nothing better than to throw out the entire exhaust system (excluding turbo - is it part of the exhaust system, or the intake system?) from head to tail. It's got crusty, rusty fasteners, annoyingly bulbous aluminized heat shields that interfere with everything, and did I mention it's bulky, crusty, and hideous? I'll understand reusing as much of it as possible, but let me tell you, I'm hoping there's room for a very nice aftermarket header system in the engine bay, and I'm hoping that the exhaust after the turbo is so short FFR can provide a replacement stainless system that won't let the car down. I look forward to taking a sawz-all to this system one day, even if it's not strictly necessary.

The front oxygen sensor is proving troublesome to remove - the first socket I bought to remove it interfered with the chassis. The second one can't slide down far enough into the recess to properly grip the sensor. I've been told I might not actually need to remove the sensor, hopefully that's true, because I don't want to have to buy a third oxygen sensor tool.

All I have left to do to pop the motor out is figure out how to remove the down pipe from the back of the turbo without having to undo more exhaust fasteners. Remove the aftermarket front sway bar, which blocks access to the engine mount bolts (stock bars apparently do not have this issue). Remove the remaining transmission-to-engine bolts. Disconnect the fuel lines. Release the clutch fork doohickey (a very strange setup). Probably a full day's work, given how ornery these last bolts have become.

I'm tired, beat up, cut up, and satisfied with some good learning about the donor.
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  1. PhyrraM's Avatar
    Not to make your Subaru impressions any worse, but prepare yourself for another fight getting the cover for the clutch fork shaft off. You will need a 10mm allen socket and creative leverage. Every one I've done has been exceedingly tight and I'm in sunny SoCal.

    The factory heatshields I like, but yes....too many bolts. Non-stock exhaust manifolds/headers are cheap and abundant on Ebay or forum classifieds.
  2. thebeerbaron's Avatar
    Yeah, I looked at that cover before I packed up for the week on Sunday and decided it just wasn't worth it. I sprayed it down liberally with Kroil, we'll see if that helps. The nice thing is that compared to some of the turbo bolts, access to that cover is quite simple. I think I might even be able to get the impact gun on it. Of course I hear the driver bits are usually the weak link in this step...

    This car supposedly had at least one clutch change early in its life, so this all should be fairly easy. Sigh.

    I don't have the car in front of me - do you know if there is clearance within the cross member to get a crow-foot on the engine mount bolt? That might be easier than undoing the gnarly bolts on the sway bar brackets...

    NASIOC folks say I should be able to push the down pipe back enough to pull the engine without removing the pipe. Fingers crossed!
  3. Cooluser23's Avatar
    Note to FFR: Please make the car metric. All my tools are metric and it makes it so much easier to build a world car. (Not to mention less tools to carry with you when working at the race track)

    (i.e.: my current car, an American made Pontiac Fiero, seems to use just metric fasteners, with most of them being 10mm, 13mm, and 15mm. It makes it so much easier to make quick repairs)
  4. PhyrraM's Avatar
    I would think a crows foot would work to break loose and then fingers to run the nuts off. It's not super tight in there.

    My fight is sometimes with the lowest engine to transmission bolts. Clearance to the inner CV joints can be tight. A good selection of sockets, extensions and u-joints will usually yield something that works.

    A block or jack under the transmission to hold it up while separating the motor also helps because the cross-member sort of captures the flywheel when the motor is fully down. Also remove the upper torque control link under the intercooler to allow transmission movement. It's hard to see the interference problem until the motor is out, then one look down and it's "ah-ha...".
  5. Flamshackle's Avatar
    Iv stripped quite a few soobs over the last 10 years and once you know the car its a piece of cake. but reading this Im having flash backs to my first effort! hahaha... keep doin it mate!

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