Seattle, WA 818 build thread!

[JRach]

With all the other build threads on here I figured i'd start up my own. My name is James and I run a small (just me) Subaru shop in Woodinville, WA (Seattle Subie Service near Seattle). I specialize in performance, engine building, tuning and the fun side of shop work, but also do a lot of service work as well. I'll update the thread as progress is made, but my brother and I are building a 818S model and have a July 2013 delivery date scheduled, so this should be one of the first 10 completed 818's in the country! We found a low mileage 07' WRX sedan locally from a nice gentleman who had a tree land on the rear end :( Got it for a great deal rather than overpaying through copart! Just had it towed in on Saturday, plan on getting it stripped down over this week!

Plans for the vehicle-

Stock block (for now)
Turbo inlet
equal length headers/uppipe
high flow cat downpipe
Decent responsive (peak torque at < 3,700rpm) turbo (I recently finished a motor build for a customer who's running a DOM 2.5XTR, but i'm leaning towards something a little smaller for this one maybe the 1.5XTR or nice rotated setup with a Borg warner) Maybe something in the 40-50 lbs/min range. Might do a custom twin scroll/low mount (same as my forester) depending on budget.
Modified stock injectors
TGV delete
Air pump delete
Fuel Pump
Intercooler set-up is going to be dictated by what kind of air flow the 818S allows. But I expect something custom.
Stock 4pot/2pot brakes w/ upgraded lines/pads/rotors and fluid.
Upgraded bushings throughout (steering rack, lateral links, control arms etc etc etc)

Here's a few pics just after getting it rolled inside. Enjoy!

-James

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[Mechie3]

I'll have to visit your shop sometime! My in laws live in Bellevue.

[bnr32jason]

Looking forward to following your build! I'm from across the water (Kingston) but I'm currently stationed in Japan. I get back in February of next year and my dad and I are going to build an 818S. I requested an April 2014 delivery date so ours is a long way out still. Hopefully around February or March we will be able to come by your shop and check it out!

[philly15]

i love seeing all the hawkeyes being used for this gonna be sick! you should run a dom 1.5xtr twin scroll...lol im starting out on a ported, polished and coated vf43 first then changing it up at some point to something twinscroll or rotated

[mrvwcastner]

Can I come take a look after kit arrives? I live in Portland and my 818R is not due until November. I'm not going to do a build thread because a friend asked me if he could post my build on his website where2race.com he is adding some eye candy to his site soon & quite a few people in the local race community want to see (& drive) it. My budget is fully out of pocket & only me so may not be as radical as I would like, but won't be a slouch. & yes I will let you drive mine for comparison once I'm done.

plus I'm not originally from PNW & never been past Tacoma gives me a reason to see Seattle.

Sean Castner mrvwcastner@yahoo.com

[JRach]

Hey Sean,
You're welcome to come by anytime and take a look at it once the kit arrives. I expect to have it assembled and licensed pretty quickly after delivery!

God some time to put a few hours in on Tuesday and this fell out of the donor car! :D

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[Mechie3]

Did you catch it when it fell, or just like it drop?

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Killer car. Looks like almost anything that is worth anything didn't get damaged by the tree!

[longislandwrx]

Killer car. Looks like almost anything that is worth anything didn't get damaged by the tree!

for real.. almost a shame to cut it up..

[mrvwcastner]

I will deffinately come up.

[veloce2]

Well I guess that makes sense a tree falling on the donor car, Washington and all. Was it a Fir, Redwood, Madrone, Pine, Oak :-) Look forward to your build.

[TCL1999]

Well I guess that makes sense a tree falling on the donor car, Washington and all. Was it a Fir, Redwood, Madrone, Pine, Oak :-) Look forward to your build.

I'm here is Western Washington too (Kitsap). I'm going to say it was one of two trees - Douglas Fir (they're everywhere) or Alder (they fall with a slight breeze). Looking forward to the build!

[twizzler]

Nice another one in WA, should be taking delivery of my donor(06,WRX) this weekend to start tear down

[metalmaker12]

Nice donor, cool shop!!!! hey parts falling out was my line

[bnr32jason]

Any updates on this? I'd love to come by the shop and see the kit shortly after it gets delivered.

[erachner]

James' brother Eric here -

Teardown continues steadily... since we've got one of the earliest orders, it's high time that we get down to identifying & collecting the desired after-market components so we're ready to build as soon as the kit arrives. I'll let James chime in with any interesting details / photos although I don't know that there's much to report as of now...

[JRach]

I've caught up a bit on a few other projects to start getting the shop ready for the delivery, but not much progress just yet. I'll post updates soon as more is made :)

[FFRSpec72]

I will be building a "R" version this year, not sure what my plans on yet. This will most likely be my daughters race car. I live in Kirkland so not far from you. Soon I have to start to look for parts, but race season has just started so my time will be limited.

[Westy]

I just moved to Edmonds from SoCal. My FF Cobra is still down there but I am looking for a shop that has experience in the "car and feeding" of this product. Does can anyone give me some insight?

Tom Westover
Edmonds, WA
949-240-6041

[JRach]

Quick update, got word from the delivery driver the kit will be dropped off tomorrow around 1pm!!!

Updates to start coming in a bit quicker!!!

[Mechie3]

Good times starting! My wife is in Seattle now, but leaving tomorrow. When my inlaws say "so....what exactly are you doing again?" I'll just point them in your general direction. lol.

[twizzler]

Quick update, got word from the delivery driver the kit will be dropped off tomorrow around 1pm!!!

Updates to start coming in a bit quicker!!!

How can yours be dropped off at 1pm when I got called and mine is finally after 7 weeks being dropped off at 1PM!!

[Samiam1017]

How can yours be dropped off at 1pm when I got called and mine is finally after 7 weeks being dropped off at 1PM!!

Same car. You guys gotta fight over it!

[wallace18]

You should ask the moderator to move your build thread to build threads instead of general discussions. Just a thought.

[JRach]

How can yours be dropped off at 1pm when I got called and mine is finally after 7 weeks being dropped off at 1PM!!

Which explains why he didn't show up until 5:30pm.... something something about the customer in Renton and low hanging tree branches. :p


You should ask the moderator to move your build thread to build threads instead of general discussions. Just a thought.

Hey moderator... what he said.

SUPER busy at work these next 8 weeks. If you want to drive cars I helped work on go buy Forza 5 :)

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[Hiryu]

NW Subaru-based kit cars unite!

Do you work at Turn 10 along with your shop? That would explain the next 8 weeks being busy (I'm there with ya in the Studios). I'm hoping that Turn 10 starts putting in some cars like the 818 and Murtaya (since they've got some nearby; they've already putting in open-wheeled cars, so why not?).

Do you do any fabrication in your shop? Fiberglass stuff?

Mike

[JRach]

Yup, in addition to the shop. I was emailing with you and Clint the other day regarding your Murtaya (still really want to check that thing out!) A little surprised they never did a GTM, there's always DLC though!

My personal fabrication skills are limited, however the last two shops I worked for specialized in a lot of custom fab work, so I just go through them for anything specialized (my low mount twin scroll set-up and ITB manifold on my STI swapped forester).

[twizzler]

[QUOTE=JRach;119784]Which explains why he didn't show up until 5:30pm.... something something about the customer in Renton and low hanging tree branches. :p


Hehe actually the guy before me in Portland had the low hanging tree branch problem and the driver didn't show up to my place until 3:00

which did allow us to unload in the peak of the hurricane downpour

[Xusia]

Guy in Portland?!? mrvwcastner and sponaugle aren't scheduled until later (at least according to the list of volunteered information). Do we have another Oregonian building an 818??

COME FORWARD GUY IN PORTLAND! :)

[305mouse]

fabrication skills are limited, however the last two shops I worked for specialized in a lot of custom fab work, so I just go through them for anything specialized (my low mount twin scroll set-up and ITB manifold on my STI swapped forester).

info and/or pics of the itb setup please along with your input please

[JRach]

info and/or pics of the itb setup please along with your input please

The car is a 98' Forester, did a full 06' STI swap a couple years back (swapped everything down to the dash, 6spd w/ dccd, ABS, Brembo's, etc etc etc) Blew the stock EJ257 motor making 260whp/302tq at the wheels (conservative mustang dyno) which originally had simple bolt on mods (equal length header/up-pipe, VF39 Turbo, Turbo-back exhaust, FMIC, Short ram intake, Wallbro 255lph fuel pump).

After Finishing the swap I drove the car for about 6 months and then had all the body work fixed (small quarterpanel dent, pulled ALL the door dings) and painted it Audi Aviator grey. The day after I got it back from the painter I was accelerating up an on-ramp quite spiritedly when the motor blew. I decided to do a full motor build if I was going to have the motor out, so I did custom Wiseco pistons, rods, ACL race main/rod bearings, lightly port and polished the heads, cleaned up the oil passages, upgraded oil pump and a few other little things.

Once the motor was done I decided if i'm going to have a built motor I might as well push it a little bit. I wanted something that would make decent power above stock but also be as responsive as possible. To do this I wanted a twin scroll turbo set up, but the only ones available still retain the stock/rotated turbo location which makes for really long exhaust runners, and then a ton of intercooler piping to go to the front of the car and back to the intake manifold. To minimize the length of ALL the piping from exhaust ports of the engine -> Turbo -> Intercooler -> Intake manifold I had to go with a custom fabbed set up. So I did a low mount twin scroll header set-up, which feeds a HX35/40 turbo, from the turbo to the Front (high mounted between the headlights) mount intercooler is only about 8" of piping, then from the intercooler to ITB manifold is only another 10" of piping. At the same time I wanted to relocate my radiator to the rear of the vehicle in the spare tire well (feeding air from underneath the vehicle and out the back. Hopefully this offsets some of the weight of the giant turbo hanging off the front of the car, as well as aids in cooling with the piping running from front to back. As it sits I haven't started it yet. But expect between the ITB manifold and the reduction in all the piping/exhaust runners etc I'm shooting for 375whp on pump gas and certainly something well above that on E85, but really hoping to hit peak boost around 4,200ish RPM (most rotated style turbo's in that lbs/min range hit peak boost closer to 5k-5.5k rpm).

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[erachner]

Guy in Portland?!? mrvwcastner and sponaugle aren't scheduled until later (at least according to the list of volunteered information). Do we have another Oregonian building an 818??

COME FORWARD GUY IN PORTLAND! :)

I'm not 100% sure but I think the driver may have said that the Portland delivery was a '33 Hot Rod or a Type 65 Coupe instead of an 818...

[305mouse]

That's like the Legacy setup on steroids. Are the itb's custom made or did they come from somewhere? When do you plan to have that beast running? Sorry for the threadjack.

[JRach]

That's like the Legacy setup on steroids. Are the itb's custom made or did they come from somewhere? When do you plan to have that beast running? Sorry for the threadjack.

ITB's were custom made by Kito of "Tuned By Kito". He does great fabrication work and is the only tuner i'd use for my subaru powered anything. I was planning to have it done months (18 months!) ago. But other projects/life changes have come up along the way. But realistically shooting for mid-winter.

[Kurk818]

Any updates?

[erachner]

Any updates?

Hah, here's an update for you (and everybody else) ... only 8.5 years later!

James (my rascal of a younger brother who launched this thread) got married, had kids, and moved away, more or less in that order, leaving me with sole custody of the kit and zero skills with which to build it on my own. Also, I live in the city & have no garage, so the kit went into storage.

But somewhere around 2016, I started learning to work on cars. Within a couple of years, recreational wrenching was a full-blown filthy habit, and so I became a member at The Shop (https://theshopclubs.com/seattle/). Here's a picture of the kit rolling into the Shop way back in 2018:

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And there it sat, mostly untouched, because of all the other projects I prioritized ahead of it. Until now.

Coincidentally on the 10th anniversary of the day we took delivery of the kit, I resumed regular work on it. If and when it gets done, I suspect it'll be the earliest 818 kit ever finished from here on out...

The front suspension is mostly done:

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And we've got this cool old van to use as a rolling storage unit for the components:

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The EJ255 engine is fully refreshed with honed cylinders, new rings, new gaskets, new clutch, new bearings, planed heads, and a resurfaced flywheel. Pictured here on its way to the refresh in the rear of our '82 Brat:

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The CV axles have been built from the combined front & rear donor axles - here they are waiting for me to put the boot clamps on:

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And here's the transmission apart earlier this evening as I get started on the 2WD adaptation:

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This project is now 100% on my front burner, and I'm hell bent on moving it forward every day I can spare. It's just me working on it now, with the occasional help of friends who drop by, and I don't know how long it'll take me, but I'm just going to take it one step at a time until it's done. Or at least until it's road legal and capable of moving under its own power.

[jbs72697]

That’s great to see you’re making the big push on your 818! I have one that I got over two years ago that due to many work/life responsibilities I haven’t made very much progress on. Although lately I have made a weee bit. Once I get a few things done that’ll make for good pictures I’ll put some up

[q4stix]

I know the feeling of life changes slowing things down since I'm in the same boat. Glad to see/know who's working at The Shop too.... I've seen the Type 65 Coupe there but that was in the front section; never had a chance to walk the back section to see your 818 and the other cars stored there.

[erachner]

I remember that Type 65, but I haven't seen it around in quite a while. This 818 kit spent much of the last 5 years gathering dust in the most remote corner of the north warehouse, but now that it's an active project it hangs out in the main showroom within better reach of the work bays.

[erachner]

A little more progress - got the front CV's separated and cleaned up. Found a hairline crack in the steering knuckle that I'm not willing to live with. And got the steering rack preparations underway. Getting very close to being able to fully assemble the front end suspension, steering, sway bar, and brakes.

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Nothing major, just slow, steady progress. I haven't run into any major challenges or covered any ground that aren't old news to this community of builders. My goals for this build are much less ambitious than my brother had originally envisioned. He was coming at it from the POV of a young guy with his own Subaru performance shop and the desire to build the hottest example economically possible. Me, I'm a much older guy who's just tired of leaving business unfinished, hoping to build a clean, presentable car in time for spring without cutting corners.

Immediate next steps are getting the front end finished and the new timing kit into the engine. After that, mate up the engine and transmission and drop them in. Here's hoping for more steady progress.

[Rob T]

loved the product placement in picture 5 :rolleyes:

[Dave 53]

[QUOTE=erachner;539872]A little more progress - got the front CV's separated and cleaned up. Found a hairline crack in the steering knuckle that I'm not willing to live with. And got the steering rack preparations underway. Getting very close to being able to fully assemble the front end suspension, steering, sway bar, and brakes.

Nice catch on that crack. I'll be taking a close look at mine.

A while back, a friend of mine in Seattle sent me some pictures of 818 in progress that he came across. I bet it was yours!

The picture of the BRAT brought back memories. My first car was a 1981 Subaru 4WD wagon that I bought brand new for $6,111 out the door.

[erachner]

I've decided instead of just posting the highlights, I'll be a bit more chatty and post every little thing. Where better to keep a comprehensive log of everything that went into this car than in the build thread?

So here's this week's accomplishment: got the finishing touches on all the axles. Front axles all cleaned up, rear axles were already assembled but now have fresh boot clamps on them.

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[erachner]

A little bit more progress:

I replaced the steering knuckle with the hairline crack, installed a fresh bearing and seals, and reassembled the front right corner with the new parts.

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After that, I solved the steering rack fitment issue (described in further detail over here (https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?47597-Steering-rack-bracket-interferes-with-rack)) and got the steering rack mounted.

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[erachner]

More progress! I cleaned up the sway bar brackets, mounted the bar, and assembled the end links.

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As forewarned by the assembly manual, the end links are overlong for my '07 WRX sway bar:

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So I trimmed them down, shortening the driver side by about 1.5" (0.75" off each end) and the passenger side by about 2.5" (1.25" off each end) and hooked them up. The sway bar is a very close fit with respect to the rest of the suspension and I have to admit it takes a pinch of faith to feel confident that all the moving parts will stay out of each others' way as the suspension travels, but there's room for adjustment.

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Next up, installing some fresh brake hardware:

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And, boom: fully-built front end suspension, brakes, and steering rack. Another milestone along the journey.

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[Dave 53]

Great progress!

There are two (one each side) aluminum panels that get riveted in from the inside. Triangle shaped piece that goes just aft of the sway bar. It will be much easier to install those two panels before you do the steering column, radiator hoses, brakes, etc. The rest of the panels can wait.

[blomb11]

Great progress!

There are two (one each side) aluminum panels that get riveted in from the inside. Triangle shaped piece that goes just aft of the sway bar. It will be much easier to install those two panels before you do the steering column, radiator hoses, brakes, etc. The rest of the panels can wait.

Yes exactly what Dave said because the access once everything is plummed makes it hard to drill the holes for the rivets. You can see the brake lines go through both panels left and right.

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[erachner]

Yes exactly what Dave said because the access once everything is plummed makes it hard to drill the holes for the rivets. You can see the brake lines go through both panels left and right.

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Aha, thank you both very much! That's an invaluable tip.

This weekend's activities are a sort of administrative pause. Now that I'm beginning to develop the kind of eyes to recognize at a glance which parts and components go where, and when I'm likely to need them, I'm taking inventory of things and sorting them into bins. I've got the "using these soon" bin, the "probably not going to need these but not throwing them away yet" bin, the "not need til much, much later" bin and finally the "no idea what these things are" bin.

I've noticed that I've definitely lost some parts over the years of schlepping the kit from storage unit to garage to storage unit again. Looks I'll be picking up a new radiator, side mirrors, and possibly rear control arms very soon, unless I get lucky and find them buried in the back of the parts van.

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[BigDanSubaru]

Great progress!

There are two (one each side) aluminum panels that get riveted in from the inside. Triangle shaped piece that goes just aft of the sway bar. It will be much easier to install those two panels before you do the steering column, radiator hoses, brakes, etc. The rest of the panels can wait.

Yes! Do yourself a favor and put these in now. I waited and I am regretting it. Huge PITA to get in there to drill and install rivets.

[erachner]

I got caught up on some side quests in recent weeks, and also held up by having to order some parts I managed to lose over the years, but I've been back at it and it's time to post some updates. :)

I decided to do a test build of the rear suspension, just to get a clear visual picture of how it all goes together. (The assembly instructions are great, but I really just needed to see it in the metal.) As of this photograph, it's only hanging together, many of the bolts don't even have nuts threaded on them, but at least I can see what I'm doing:

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At that point, I figured, what the heck, and decided to put the wheels on. Sure, I'll have to take them right back off when I put the engine in and do the final assembly of the rear suspension, but in the meantime, it frees up a lot of space in my storage pile and has the added bonus of making the chassis much easier to move around :)

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So now I'm doing the final prep for the engine. It needed a new timing kit, so while I was at it I went ahead and installed a new water pump and thermostat.

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But when I went to attach the new timing pulleys, I made a terribly stupid mistake and stripped the threads out of the hole on the block where this idler pulley mounts up. (The mistake, by the way, was thinking I could torque the pulley down while it was under light tension with the belt running over the top of it. Of course, I had not yet pulled the pin on the tensioner, so the tension on the pulley was weak, but it was still enough that the bolt didn't go in dead straight and that was it. A rookie mistake if I've ever made one - I should have put the pulley on and only then put the belt over top of it.)

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Thankfully, with a bit of seasoned professional help, the threads in the hole were repaired and supplemented with a certain quantity of Loc-Tite. The new timing kit is now fully assembled, and quadruple-checked for proper alignment.

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Next up, I have just a few more finishing touches for the engine before I attach the transmission and drop it all in the car. Hopefully a big update will follow this weekend!

[Dave 53]

Maybe you've already done it and I just can't see it in the pictures, but it will be much easier to do the "cooling mod" with the engine out of the car. I just Googled (or search this forum) "818 cooling mod" and it came up.

[erachner]

Maybe you've already done it and I just can't see it in the pictures, but it will be much easier to do the "cooling mod" with the engine out of the car. I just Googled (or search this forum) "818 cooling mod" and it came up.

I haven't done the mod yet, but I definitely intend to before I make too much more progress in the engine area where I might make life harder for myself to do it later.

[erachner]

So, I've been very remiss in posting build updates. There's actually been a lot of progress since my last post; this next series of posts is meant to get the thread up to date.

Back in March, I finished with the engine refresh. I spotted a nasty gash on one of the cooling hoses and replaced it and installed the heater bypass hose. I cleaned up the transmission a bit, installed the new throwout bearing, and mated it all up to the engine for installation. Sparing no expense on pool noodles of course ;)

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[erachner]

At long last, the engine is in the car - a major milestone, if you ask me. As I keep saying to folks, all the nuts and bolts that require more than 90 ft-lbs of torque are done. It's all light work from here on out. :)
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Then I gently tapped the drive shafts flush to the sides of the transmission:
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The engine being in the car now, I skipped ahead a little bit and mounted the intercooler along with the shock tower brace:
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I also went ahead and hung the radiator supports off the front end. They're not properly mounted, but it gets the parts off of the parts pile and creates the illusion of progress, so I figured, what the heck. :)
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[erachner]

In early June, I started the long phase of 818 construction we call "the endless riveting."

Getting the hang of things with a small passenger panel:
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Cleaner rivet lines on the driver side:
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More clean rivet lines:
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Completed passenger side panels:
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And completed driver side panels:
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[erachner]

On my next work session, I tackled the pedal box and brake cylinder, but I ran into issues which I posted about in this thread (https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?49259-Pedal-box-brake-MC-fitment-issue). I'm pretty sure that following the community's simple advice will solve this problem for me when I get back to it.

In the meantime, I decided to finish the cockpit enclosure by adding the floor panel. Since my kit is an early kit, my assembly manual is an early assembly manual, and I missed the opportunity to do the floor panel with the frame on its side because I went ahead and built the suspension first. So here's my 818 on its first ride up the hydraulic lift:
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I've done so much riveting at this point that I've gotten really, really fussy about my rivet lines.
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And here's my mostly complete cockpit enclosure. Obviously the rear wall is still to-do after the fuel system goes in, but progress is progress. :)
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[erachner]

With the cockpit enclosure panels taken care of (the rear firewall not yet withstanding, of course), I took the advice of Dave 53 and BigDanSubaru and put those triangular panels in up front before crowding that space with control hardware. Thanks for the tip, gents!

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I drilled the hole in the brake pedal a full inch higher up than the original, or in other words a half inch further up than prescribed by the assembly manual. It'll be a long time before I know the result, but I'm hopeful this makes the brakes more wieldy.

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After grinding down the heads of some hex bolts and threading them from the inside of the cockpit outwards, I was able to overcome the pedal box fitment issue I complained about in a separate thread (https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?49259-Pedal-box-brake-MC-fitment-issue). Boom, pedal box and brake cylinder installed!

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Finally, I put the steering column in and got it connected to the rack without any fuss. The steering feels *great* and the car is going to be a lot easier to push around the shop now. :D

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Unfortunately, I seem to have misplaced my manual brake pushrod and my clutch cylinder, so I'll be sourcing replacements for those before I can move forward with clutch and brakes.

Does anybody happen to know if the manual brake pushrod provided by F5 was sourced from an OEM?

[lpmagruder]

I'd just email F5 about it, hopefully they have stock. Worst case let me know and I can pull mine and measure it, it's a really simple part.

I drilled about an inch up too and I think the brakes feel perfect. 6 autocross events in so I've done plenty of threshold braking. No problem getting them up to (and oops, sometimes past) locking up with the 06 WRX stock calipers, HPS pads, and 160 TW tires.

[driveslikejehu]

Post a pic of the part you need; I don't know which it is. I have the Wilwood setup so may have it.

[erachner]

Happy to say that F5 still has some pushrods in stock, so I have the replacement on the way. :) The chassis is starting to look like a car, but when I look at the number of pages still ahead of me in the assembly manual, boy oh boy have I got a ways to go yet...