The competition

[atp]

What do you think can compete with 818.

[metalmaker12]

With 300-350whp Zr1, 911 turbos, etc. With 225whp- 275whp vette, 911, modded sti's and mustangs etc
This car will be a serious track star and pretty much put a hurt on most cars on the street. With the right traction this car will be very fast with insane power to weight.

[boostinsidewayz]

i agree with metalmaker. a 818 vs a sti that has 140 more hp will be a close race. a good rule of thumb is 10whp=100 pounds. my z06 weighs in at 3330 with me in it. makes about 375 to the wheels. an 818 with only 225whp should be right next to it.

if you mean on a track, then there is no way to tell until FFR releases some more info about how the track testing is going. just because its a light car doesnt mean it will handle phenomenally. it will have the potential to but suspension design is much more important then weight.

[atp]

My brother is getting a 2011 Mitsubishi evolution and I want the 818 to match it

[philly15]

My brother is getting a 2011 Mitsubishi evolution and I want the 818 to match it

that shouldnt be tough lol depending on what your donor is and the setup/tune it should walk all over it

[Jeff F]

I have a 2008 Evo with 335 hp and 360 lbs torque at the wheels. I race it at the big track at willow and I can tell you now that short of a 911 GT3 RS, nothing comes particulaly close including FFR Cobras, corvettes and 911's all get passed by me often. The electronic all wheel drive on the Evo makes for one amazing car on the track. The 818 may be faster on the straight but will be much harder to drive and will require a massive amount of skill to drive fast. The Evo can make an inexperienced driver look good and a good driver golden. That said, I love the 818. I'm #53!

[JeromeS13]

I have a 2008 Evo with 335 hp and 360 lbs torque at the wheels. I race it at the big track at willow and I can tell you now that short of a 911 GT3 RS, nothing comes particulaly close including FFR Cobras, corvettes and 911's all get passed by me often. The electronic all wheel drive on the Evo makes for one amazing car on the track. The 818 may be faster on the straight but will be much harder to drive and will require a massive amount of skill to drive fast. The Evo can make an inexperienced driver look good and a good driver golden. That said, I love the 818. I'm #53!

Jeff, are you referring to toying around in a DE session, or passing these cars in a timed session? What are your lap times at Big Willow?

*Edit: my goal will be a sub 1:34 at Big Willow.

[Flamshackle]

Competition for the price? Almost nothing will match it is my pick. Found some shipping opportunities that might pan out so haven't ruled out buying an 818 myself just yet!

[Jeff Kleiner]

Much will depend on how the individual 818 is configured but I think a well built 818 should be a good match for......

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Lotus_Exige.jpg/800px-Lotus_Exige.jpg

Jeff

[metalmaker12]

I believe the 818 will put a hurt on many cars, evo's, 911's, ferraris, vettes, sti's, and others with the proper setup and driving abilities. It is true a pre- k student can drive a evo or gtr, but when you get power to weight of such insane measures, lots of grip, proper downforce, and an educated experienced driver, it will be a totally different world. I have passed many folks with with much more power in my cousins spec miata at lime rock on car club track days, it does not mean I can beat them in a race or in lap times. As a benchmark My previous built engine 06 sti with 483whp and 491torque with a cage,quick rack,full tein coil over setup, bigger sway bars, tower braces, etc etc, with R compounds ran some 100-102.0 laps at lime rock park. I was not pushing it to the fullest due to not feeling I could control it lol. In my 20's I pushed way harder, now at 31, with a kid and another on the way, and many responsibilities I curb it down, so I will be slower. My 818 will have great power and handle perfectly once I dial it all in, but I will not be pushing it to it's limits, I just like having it, and maybe fault it once in a blue moon. I will track test it, and maybe pull down a couple sub 1.00's at the rock, but it will not be a common occurrence.

[Maximus]

I believe you are right MM, to an extent, but bench racing will get us how far? I'm looking forward to Moochfest where we can get an idea of this cars handling characteristics.

[Jeff Kleiner]

It is true a pre- k student can drive a evo or gtr...

An old autocross buddy of mine with 40+ years of seat time, most of it in A, B and E mods, said to me once "These kids running them damn rally cars think they can drive...hell Ray Charles could get around fast in one of those". :D

Jeff

[Xusia]

So if those cars are so great and so easy for anyone to drive fast - and I'm not saying they are (I haven't personally driven either) - why the negative attitude towards them? I would think such a car would hailed as a great thing because it makes the experience safer and accessible to more people. I understand driving "old school" cars may take more skill, and that may make those who have mastered that "better" drivers, but at the end of the day, isn't this about having fun (even in competition)? Why make something harder than it has to be? I've never been an Evo or a WRX fan, but if the rules of competition allow them, my attitude would be to out figure how to beat them, not to gripe. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. As the saying goes. And despite how "Good" those cars may be, I have to believe a skilled driver could still come out on top (especially if said driver disabled the nannys!).

Basically, I guess I feel that if you choose to make it harder for yourself, because you enjoy the challenge or whatever, don't hate others who make different choices. We are all different and have different priorities, attitudes, feelings, etc.

[boostinsidewayz]

The problem with those cars, is that it gives poorly skilled drivers the confidence of Schumacher or McRae. I know that is a very broad generalization and please no one take offense to that. There are plenty of skilled drivers that drive evos or stis.

A friend of mine who is a good driver, is selling his gtr to get something more fun. His z06 is more fun on the track because you are always pushing the limits. The gtr just chauffeurs you around the track.

[Jeff Kleiner]

Precisely what boosted said! The gentleman's point was that the cars make some average drivers think that they are heros but if you put them in something faster like a mod car (or dare I say a well prepped FFR roadster) that requires a different level of skill to keep on the edge they wouldn't be able to find their hind end with two hands.

Jeff

[Xusia]

Ahh. I understand. They aren't negative toward the car. They are negative toward the "I can drive well" attitude of those who drive a car that - in their opinion - takes less skill to drive. That makes sense now!

[longislandwrx]

Making a comment about how easy it is to drive a certain car sounds very subjective. It's true modern cars have more electronics, but that doesnt mean the drivers don't have real skill.

The 818 will be a fast car, but I don't expect to set records in it the first time out. Like with any car, it's going to take practice.

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[Oppenheimer]

Define 'fast'. The 818 will have a very good power/weight ratio, even at stock levels, and even with a N/A Impreza motor (compared to stock, non-exotic production cars). With the WRX platforms potential for serious power, there will be some phenominal p/w ratio 818's out there that will compete, p/w ratio, with some of the most exotic street cars around.

But there will always be someone with more power, more traction, more straight line zoom. I think where the 818 will shine is the combination of p/w ratio with Lotus-like handling and tossability. Yes, there will still be cars that can beat the 818 at that game, but not for anywhere near the price tag.

Fast, fun, cheap. Its a winning formula.

[Xusia]

Making a comment about how easy it is to drive a certain car sounds very subjective. It's true modern cars have more electronics, but that doesnt mean the drivers don't have real skill.

The 818 will be a fast car, but I don't expect to set records in it the first time out. Like with any car, it's going to take practice.

15015

If you are referring to any comments I made, I didn't say, nor did I mean to imply, people who drive cars with electronics don't have real skill. Sorry if it somehow came across that way. :)

[RM1SepEx]

The same feature that makes mid engine cars the "best" theoretically handling cars (low polar moment of interia allowing rapid directional change) makes them more difficult to drive at the highest level... the "edge" of control is sharper, when you go over it, the car spins faster, you have less time to react.

When you add that to about 50% of our population not knowing how to drive at all, and most driving FWD "appliances" a mid engine car can be a handful...

Driving a new AWD car fast and driving an 818 will be like learning a new language for many...

I like playing on the edge, I'm happy now that I repaired 1991 Miata. It is an absolute blast in the winter! Constantly practicing your balance of adhesion, on the edge.

BTW My 16 year old daughter just drove it home, in about 1 1/2 inches of fresh snow! She has been autocrossing for 8 years in a kart tho.

[Mechie3]

What I see with the rally cars in autocross (and it's where I started) is it's easier to progress quickly up the ranks to a point. A novice in a RWD car will advance more slowly. However, with a few years in, the RWD guy usually expands his skills while the rally car driver either picks up bad habits that limit them, or they are limited by their car.*

*Subies have a natural tendency to understeer like crazy. Even with lots of mods, my excellent handling (for a Subaru) WRX was almost matched by my wifes stock Cooper S, both on star specs. While the Subie is easier to go fast in the beginning, a lot of RWD cars are better platforms and end up surpassing the WRX.

[metalmaker12]

Sorry if I was taken literally, I like evo's sti's, modern muscle, old school muscle,exotics, bikes,really anything with power. I was just joking it up a bit that modern imports, evo's and gtrs in particular which are easier to master than say a lotus elise, porsche or a vette. I love them all and appreciate all their engineering and following.

Mechie3 : It is true a stock rack usdm subie will understeer, but with a proper quick ratio steering rack, coilovers, sway bars and some weight loss etc etc ....$$$$$$$ they handle like 50% better lol. But that even said, there are platforms that will do even better out of the box. The BRZ has brought sexy back in us Subie guys in the look and handle dept. It might be a fierce competitor of say an 818, evo, vette etc, with some power adders.

Whatever is your car fancy, it is cool in my book, cause I like almost every type of car out there. I feel that this 818 will do pretty darn well in the performance realm. As we all tune them, dial em in, etc we will know what our competition is.

[metalmaker12]

I terms of power to weight here is a few comparisons. These cars are all at crank hp, and all but the f40 are 2013's, I did some basic math and considered wheel spin. I would use a Lsd in any engine format with the 818 and tires with very good grip. 235-315 width tires in the back

818 with 370hp: 4.8lbs per hp, est low to mid 11 1/4 3.3-3.8 0-60
818 with wrx 265hp: 6.7 est low to mid 12 1/4 3.8-4.5 0-60
818 with NA 170hp: 10.5 low to mid 13 1/4 4.5-5.3 0-60
ferrari 455 italia: 5.3
ferrari f40: 5.0
lambo gallardo lp 560: 5.9
Sti with 400hp: 8.4
stock sti: 11
Evo with 400hp: 8.7
stock evo: 11.6
Zr1: 4.8
z06: 6.3
911 turbo: 7

So from this data,balanced weight, a low center of gravity, grip and downforce, this race goes to the 818.
I have been wrenching, tuning, fabricating, driving,racing,auto crossing,etc for awhile now, and a light car with grip and power is very tuff to beat on a track, street or strip. I think this 818 will surprise people even with a na engine.
My conclusion to the competition is that the 818 with 300-370hp should have no problem with any 3500 pound car unless it has 740hp and can handle on rails. It is going to have good competition with boosted Elise's (350hp ones),and other powerful light cars(400-500hp exiges, other FFR cars

A good example is my friends Elise has 340whp 300torque with a small quick spooling turbo, much like a subie setup. he has a lsd and grippy r compound 255's in the rear. The car has a race spec Ohlins suspension. He runs low 11's, and runs a solid 54.00 secs or better at lime rock park. The 818 is his new competition, problem is, he out drives me 8 out of 10 times.

[longislandwrx]

If you are referring to any comments I made, I didn't say, nor did I mean to imply, people who drive cars with electronics don't have real skill. Sorry if it somehow came across that way. :)

Nope, nothing you said... was referring to the original quoted quote "These kids running them damn rally cars think they can drive...hell Ray Charles could get around fast in one of those"

And I was trying to be light hearted as well. It really doesnt matter what car i'm in, as long as i'm driving it 10/10ths

[longislandwrx]

The Ariel Atom at 612kg and 300bhp did a 0-60 in 2.9 seconds and the quarter in 11.2

Thats 414lbs less. Although i'm hoping my R will weigh in alot less than 800kg and will have 75 more bhp

The Atom also has huge traction issues with a 225 rear tire (one of the places it saves big weight)

Before really getting into it we are going to have to see exactly what the 818 weighs in at.

[blueafro]

I'd hope that the lightly built 818 would come in under the 818 kg target by a large margin. If not, it's not far from the neighborhood that crash tested fully legal cars like the Elise/Exige/MR2 Spyder can hit when they're stripped out.

For instance, there is a stripped out MR2 Spyder in Utah with a 2ZZ swap and a full cage which weighs in around 865 kg, and track-prepped Elises and Exiges are similarly light and lighter. Although it lacked a full cage, an Elise owner on Lotus Talk stripped his Elise down to 665 kg.

That being the case, I hope the 818 kg target includes a full cage and all the turbo plumbing for a big power build.

[metalmaker12]

The atom with the 300hp set up does have traction issues but still runs great times. I think the 818 will have less traction issues and have simliar times. Put it this way, this car is going to move, just how well , will be determined by its builders and specs .

[Highway Star]

I think the 818 will have a further advantage over the 300 hp Atom at the top end of the quarter due to better aerodynamics. The Atom's is not much better than the 818 test cart.

[mrvwcastner]

I run a CSP 90 Miata my times are usually in the top 25% of the track autocrossing. I swapped cars with an Evo driver so we each ran 4 laps in each others cars I stayed @ exactly the same level he quickly dropped 4 5 6 seconds. We swapped cars back after he said my brakes sucked (11" willwoods front & 11 rear Miata) my tires were **** (good sticky hoosiers). I bested my times by almost 2 seconds with him in the car. Afterwards he said "I guess I just don't know how to drive RWD." I can say from experience AWD power is easy to build false confidence. I hope all the noob subie guys learn the cars before going 300 HP & above. I'm really hoping to get some seat time behind the wheel of my friends Lotus this year to make transition to Mid Engine. He consistently runs 1.2 seconds faster than me so I need to see if its me or my car that slows me down.

[STLMARSHALL]

Last event of 2012 I was .4 seconds behind our local hot shoe in a STI in my Coupe. This guy is usually in the top 3 at nationals and has bested me in my own car by as much as 4 seconds. With the right nut behind the wheel I feel RWD can hang with AWD but it is a different skill set. I am looking forward to seeing what the 818 can do.

[Juicie]

What about the K1 Attack (http://www.b-racing.cz/en/) as a competitor? The same idea, only a bit more expensive (kit starts at 17000 USD) and better looking imho:
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[shinn497]

I feel that the big advantage the 818 will have over almost all cars is cost. The fact is that you could probably hit that 4.8 ibs/hp number for 20~25k and there is almost no other other comparable car that can compare. The major sacrifice is road safety and fit and finish.

[Xusia]

I don't think it's fair to state FFR cars are less safe as fact. As far as I know, there have been no official crash tests. Crashes that I am aware of were not under controlled circumstances, so the evidence presented by them is anecdotal at best, although the occupants have fared very well (again, from what I understand). Therefore the safety of FFR cars compared to production cars is opinion.

I mention this only because I think it's important people not get the impression safety is a definite issue when really it's that we just don't know.

[PhyrraM]

Opinion or not, to think that FFR can protect an occupant as well as an OEM vehicle where you are surrounded by airbags, have crush zones designed and developed by software that FFR can only dream to attain, the location of every bolt, bracket and panel is simulated and analyzed, have hundreds of millions of dollars spend on every electronic "aid" under the sun, etc, etc., is - at best - extremely wishfull thinking.

Don't get me wrong, FFR makes a great product. It is well engineered to it's task, and I'm sure it has a spectacular safety reputation when compared to it's peers in the relatively controlled track enviroment. Track safety and everyday street safety are not equals.

[Xusia]

I guess I just feel safer with more solid components (i.e. a frame) than unibodies & crumple zones; research be dammed... (<--mispelled on purpose so it would actually show)

[BrandonDrums]

Just wear a helmet everywhere. Research shows that regardless of the car, just wearing a helmet trumps every other safety feature on the market. Wearing a helmet,and a 4 or 5 point harness in an 818 will be more safe than driving a Volvo filled with packing peanuts in a crash. Not to mention that it's agility and braking capabilities make you more able to AVOID a crash in the first place vs. a standard street car.

[rjh2pd]

I was planing on wrapping the outside of the triangle frame in the door with carbon fiber then filling that pocket with foam and maybe the rest of the door for added protection. I think that ill feel comfortable with the front and rear impact.

[blueafro]

Has anyone tried to do any FEA on what the public has seen of the 818 frame so far? I'm curious how strong it is compared to other tube frame specialty cars, in particular the more popular varieties of Locost.

[wleehendrick]

Has anyone tried to do any FEA on what the public has seen of the 818 frame so far? I'm curious how strong it is compared to other tube frame specialty cars, in particular the more popular varieties of Locost.

The videos on FFR's website clearly show FEA of the frame on SolidWorks, modeling the torsional rigidity. I have not heard specific results or anything about collision modeling, though.

[Mechie3]

The foam in the door idea is interesting. There's supposed to be some sort of crumple zone according to FFR. I love watching the F1/Indycar crumple zone test videos. Those are fun to watch.

[PhyrraM]

I agree that feeling safe and comfortable with your build is far more important than (for lack of a better term) "actual" safety in a car like this. You cannot be afraid to drive it, or why bother with the endeaver?

[Jeff Kleiner]

What he said ^^^

Not to throw caution to the wind but as with the roadster and to a slightly lesser extent (due to their full cage) the Coupe and GTM you have to assure that you've built it right so that a mechanical fubar doesn't get you into trouble then resign yourself to the fact that if you're on the receiving end of a hit in traffic you're only marginally better off than you would be on a motorcycle.

Jeff

[metalmaker12]

LETS see what she can do in the upcoming videos!!!!!

[blueafro]

The videos on FFR's website clearly show FEA of the frame on SolidWorks, modeling the torsional rigidity. I have not heard specific results or anything about collision modeling, though.

No doubt FFR has done FEA on the frame. I don't however expect them to release comparative data with respect to competing platforms, so I wonder if anyone in the general public has done it yet. :)

[shinn497]

I don't think 2 inches of foam (helmet) or foam in the crumple zones is going to substitute for expensive crash testing. Productions cars have to design the frame to direct energy around the passenger cell everything has to be precisely engineered and that takes time and money.

Here's why I think people should be very clear of the relative safety of this car. The more cautious you are about a machine, the more you respect it. Even unmodded, the 818 is going to have a lot of power. That can be dangerous and deadly (for any car). On a track, in a controlled environment, that is one thing. But in the real world, with lots of variables and types of collisions, people should be cautious.

I actually like the fact that the 818 is going to be less safe. It means a more rigid less bulky frame, no airbags, etc. etc. I personnally am thinking of it as a motorcycle that wraps around you than a car that is (somewhat) barebones.

[Xusia]

I can't think of it as a motorcycle - it doesn't do wheelies... :(

On a serious note, that's a good approach if it works for you and keeps you safe. Motorcycling has definitely changed my driving habits for the better. I'm a lot more cognizant of traffic, road conditions, hazards, etc., and drive accordingly. I've been accident free since 1988 - a trend I fully intend to continue! :)

[wleehendrick]

Here's why I think people should be very clear of the relative safety of this car. The more cautious you are about a machine, the more you respect it.

I personnally am thinking of it as a motorcycle that wraps around you than a car that is (somewhat) barebones.

I agree somewhat... I experienced a fairly severe motorcycle accident (shattered hand and and four broken vertebrae), that I'm sure I would have walked away from in an 818. A helmet will definitely reduce head injuries (I wouldn't be here without one), however, in the typical red-light t-bone or off-set frontal collision, don't expect the 818 to fair nearly as well as a modern car.... broken limbs and internal injuries will happen. Riding taught me to drive like you're invisible.

[thestigwins]

Let's get this thread back on track! :)

The Bauer LTD Catfish is some competition. Although it's not a mid engine car, it is a DIY kit car. Weighs in at 1500 pounds and looks pretty cool. It is based off of the miata drivetrain with an LSx v8 option on the way. Cost is 13,900 for the kit. So again price goes to the 818. I am still amazed that FFR can offer the 818s kit at $9900.
http://bauerltd.com/images/slider2/Catfish_001_top.jpg

[Flamshackle]

Let's get this thread back on track! :)

The Bauer LTD Catfish is some competition. Although it's not a mid engine car, it is a DIY kit car. Weighs in at 1500 pounds and looks pretty cool. It is based off of the miata drivetrain with an LSx v8 option on the way. Cost is 13,900 for the kit. So again price goes to the 818. I am still amazed that FFR can offer the 818s kit at $9900.
http://bauerltd.com/images/slider2/Catfish_001_top.jpg

I think though that the MX5 components will be quiet cheap by comparison to the 818 using WRX components?

This catfish is probably the best competition that the 818 will have price comparable and 100KG lighter!

I dont LOVE the look of it like I do the 818 (sans 818 front) but its an interesting development dont you think?

[metalmaker12]

Being light and rigid is a plus for the 818 in an street accident. Having a harness, helmet and large side padded racing seats will help greatly. Being light,it will simply get tossed to the side easier than a heavier car. although whiplash and other injures will occur etc, you might be enlighten by its crash test. This is not to say it will be a super safe car etc etc, or safer than any one car, but I feel if it was crash tested, with the plastic panels, it might be safer than we might think.

Fiberglass makes a mess, crashed my uncles vette when I was like 19,, oh he might not know that i did it,, so to save my cousins life shhhhhhhh.

[D2W]

Let's get this thread back on track! :)

The Bauer LTD Catfish is some competition. Although it's not a mid engine car, it is a DIY kit car. Weighs in at 1500 pounds and looks pretty cool. It is based off of the miata drivetrain with an LSx v8 option on the way. Cost is 13,900 for the kit. So again price goes to the 818. I am still amazed that FFR can offer the 818s kit at $9900.
http://bauerltd.com/images/slider2/Catfish_001_top.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDqnvrkC7k&feature=youtu.be
Link is the catfish prototype going through tech at the 25 hours of thunderhill. Interesting sidenote is the man driving the car out of tech is 6' 6".

[ehansen007]

Sorry, had to change the speeling on the titel of this post. Bugging the crap out of me. :rolleyes:

[Dave Smith]

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/IMG_8587.jpg

In my humble opinion, and based on recent track testing data, I can confidently say there isn't anything even close. But then, I might be a bit biased. More information next week at Moochfest.

Photo by Wayne Presley who is sworn to silence, so don't ask him about 1.5Gs of cornering.

[Turboguy]

What about the K1 Attack (http://www.b-racing.cz/en/) as a competitor? The same idea, only a bit more expensive (kit starts at 17000 USD) and better looking imho:
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um...........the attack kit has been out of production and unavailable for well over 5 years now. From what I recall, a significant portion of the 50 or so kits that made it to these shores never received all the parts they ordered either.

[Mechie3]

1.5 eh? :D

[Mechie3]

um...........the attack kit has been out of production and unavailable for well over 5 years now. From what I recall, a significant portion of the 50 or so kits that made it to these shores never received all the parts they ordered either.

You can buy it now, but it comes fully assembled and costs $370k. Tushek Renovatio T500.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/news_images/20120903/p07c.jpg

[metalmaker12]

whohaaaaaaaaaaaa1.5gaaaaaaaaaaaainsanehaaaaaaa

[Mechie3]

Cornering ability of random cars from an online list. No tires (except those listed) were given. Not sure if these assume street (or stock) tires.

1.65 - Donkervoort D8 RS06 +
1.6 – Radical SR3 1300 +
1.6 – Porsche 996 Carrera Cup (Slick tyres)
1.4 – BMW M3 CSL
1.4 – Pagani Zonda F
1.4 – Caterham CS200 05 +
1.35 – Porsche Carrera GT
1.35 – Porsche 996 GT2 MK1 (Pirelli Tyres)
1.35 – Donkervoort D8 Widetrack +
1.35 - Gemballa GT550 +
1.35 – TVR Tuscan MK2 (Dunlop Super Sport Tyres) +
1.35 – Koenigsegg CCR
1.35 – Porsche 996 GT3RS
1.35 – Ferrari F430
1.35 – Porsche 997 Carrera S
1.35 – AC Schnitzer V8 Topster
1.3 – Donkervoort D8 180R
1.3 – Ferrari 550 Maranello
1.3 – Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
1.3 – Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 +
1.3 – Porsche 996 GT3 MK1
1.3 – Gemballa GTR600 EVO +
1.3 – Lamborghini Gallardo
1.3 – Porsche 993 Turbo S +
1.3 – Alpina Roadster S
1.3 – Porsche 996 Turbo
1.3 – TechArt GT Street
1.3 – Porsche 997 GT3
1.3 – Ford GT
1.3 – Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
1.3 – Lamborghini Diablo GT
1.3 – AC Schnitzer E36 CLS II
1.3 – Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Pirelli Tyres)
1.25 – Dodge Viper SRT-10

[Wayne Presley]

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/IMG_8587.jpg

In my humble opinion, and based on recent track testing data, I can confidently say there isn't anything even close. But then, I might be a bit biased. More information next week at Moochfest.

Photo by Wayne Presley who is sworn to silence, so don't ask him about 1.5Gs of cornering.


DAVE, YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm about ready to bust and you let the cornering G's out of the bag. Must be good to be the boss :D And yes I do have the datalogs, video and pics:D

[Xusia]

...so don't ask him about 1.5Gs of cornering.

Wow. That just made my day! :)

[D2W]

So is the 1.5G's instataneous or continuous lateral G's. If its continuous that's unheard of in a street legal car.

[Wayne Presley]

So is the 1.5G's instataneous or continuous lateral G's. If its continuous that's unheard of in a street legal car.


I know :D

[metalmaker12]

So that means yes, continuous, which is race car territory.

[RM1SepEx]

tire type and size, front and rear please...

[boostinsidewayz]

tires from the pic are hoosier a6 or r6. i'm assuming r6 since it looks like a decent size track not an autocross layout. i cant find a pic that is good enough to see tire sizes, or type.

[shinn497]

dr15349

[Juicie]

um...........the attack kit has been out of production and unavailable for well over 5 years now. From what I recall, a significant portion of the 50 or so kits that made it to these shores never received all the parts they ordered either.

The K1 attack is back in production and is available for around 17000 USD based on the MR2, honda kits are also still available:
http://www.b-racing.cz/en/k1_attack_kit_car_en

A new version in development: http://www.b-racing.cz/images/nase-auta/k1-attack-pavel-02.jpg

[metalmaker12]

lol right were do i sign dave, get us the cars sooner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[longislandwrx]

tires from the pic are hoosier a6 or r6. i'm assuming r6 since it looks like a decent size track not an autocross layout. i cant find a pic that is good enough to see tire sizes, or type.

My vote is that's an A6 which would get up to temps a lot faster on the lightweight 818. An r6 that wide might be hard to keep warm in February in North Carolina (mid 50s)...

As I said in another post im guesing those rears are 285/30s but maybe 255/35s but they look awfully wide.

[boostinsidewayz]

My vote is that's an A6 which would get up to temps a lot faster on the lightweight 818. An r6 that wide might be hard to keep warm in February in North Carolina (mid 50s)...

As I said in another post im guesing those rears are 285/30s but maybe 255/35s but they look awfully wide.

that makes sense, i didnt know where the location was. but i'm still hoping they are R6s, imagine the feel of fresh hot A6s if the r6 is getting everyone on the test team super hyped.

[Flamshackle]

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/IMG_8587.jpg

In my humble opinion, and based on recent track testing data, I can confidently say there isn't anything even close. But then, I might be a bit biased. More information next week at Moochfest.

Photo by Wayne Presley who is sworn to silence, so don't ask him about 1.5Gs of cornering.

ahhhh this thing looks killer!!! can't wait to see more.

[FFR-ADV]

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/IMG_8587.jpg

In my humble opinion, and based on recent track testing data, I can confidently say there isn't anything even close. But then, I might be a bit biased. More information next week at Moochfest.

Photo by Wayne Presley who is sworn to silence, so don't ask him about 1.5Gs of cornering.

WOW Dave!!!... The Design Is Speaking For Itself!!!

And With Such a Voice!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GQOKxJyWOmI

My 818 cannot come to soon...

Is an 818SR option on the table yet???

Cheers!

[Wayne Presley]

Tires on the the 818R were Hoosier R6's, red 818S had Toyo R1R's

[longislandwrx]

Tires on the the 818R were Hoosier R6's, red 818S had Toyo R1R's

I stand corrected! good to know.

[Erik W. Treves]

lol

[Turboguy]

Thanks for the info, Juicie! I had no idea it went back into production.

It is a very sharp looking car.

[Juicie]

LusoMotors from portugal has some interesting kitcars in development:

http://lusomotors.com/wp-content/gallery/lm-gt/lm_gt_shootingbrake_2.jpg (http://lusomotors.com/lm-gt/)

http://lusomotors.com/wp-content/gallery/lm-23/lm23_1.jpg (http://lusomotors.com/lm-23/)

http://lusomotors.com/wp-content/gallery/lm-bud-jet/lm_bud-jet_14.jpg (http://lusomotors.com/lm-bud-jet/)