Vman's '33 Hot Rod Design Ideas [Archive]

Vman7

01-25-2013, 09:47 PM

Here are my design ideas for the '33 Hot Rod. Which are in Albums in the Gallery section.

Here are the links to each Album. Each Title in Bold Black is a link.

'33 Top Designs (Old Designs) (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=507)

'33 Rear Designs
Rear Lighting (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=501)
Roll Pans, Diffusers & Exhausts (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=503)
Rear Misc (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=505)

'33 Roadster/Coupe Pickup (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=813)

'33 Tudor, Delivery & Woody
Tudor & Delivery (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=830)
Woody (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=876)

All of this is for right now. Circumstances may change, then I might consider it.

I will no longer be doing new designs for posting, as well as requests, unless already inwork or really serious requests through pvt msg. All Requests are free, but will be on a limited basis, depending on how much work is involved and only after I have deemed it to be a serious request and not somebody that just wants some eye candy to look at.

I will Not be adding anymore new Albums & designs. I will not be adding any new updates and links to Albums in the #1 post.

I put all the designs in Albums to help give people easy access to them.

The designs are for inspiring people to come up with ideas or use as is. People can upload the pictures to this thread to discuss or to upload to your own thread.

People can change the designs to their liking*.

Terms of Use:
If you do use any of my ideas for private use, or for what ever reason other then commercial** use. All I ask is that you give credit.

*All pictures for private use only, you can use them and change them here as long as you don't use them for any commercial use.
For commercial use, must have permission from myself and the original owner of the photos, in most cases the original pictures are from FFR.

**Commercial Use of Design Ideas: Must have my permission of my designs and from Factory Five Racing when applicable, being that my designs are based on their product.

David

timmy318

01-25-2013, 10:26 PM

If only you would've posted some of these pic's earlier :p! I must say, I really love your coupe designs so far!

Vman7

01-25-2013, 11:26 PM

If only you would've posted some of these pic's earlier :p! I must say, I really love your coupe designs so far!

Thanks :) There is a thread here that has links to all the pictures on the other FF site. It's been long overdue putting all the pictures up here.

Vman7

05-25-2013, 12:23 PM

Update:

I posted this the other day in the General Discussions Forums:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?10175-Major-Change-in-My-Design-Direction

Thought I would just put out a few things that are going on with Designs for the 33. I have been gathering pictures from the internet over a long time to get ideas of what actually people are doing. It has really got my mind running like a freight train on ideas :)

I know that some people here and at the other forum have been throwing around the idea of a Tudor or a Vicky also some kind of pickup.

I have a really cool design idea for a Roadster/Coupe Pickup that would need some kind of new rear subframe, the subframe would also work with the Tudor or Vicky body. Not sure which way I am going to go on the Tudor or Vicky body. Most popular in the retro look is the Vicky, but the Tudor has been becoming very popular as of late. The Tudor would give more room in the rear than the Vicky. So I am kind of leaning toward the Tudor, all depends on how it looks once mocked up.

Another idea I have for a alt body is a "true" Speedster with a track nose. The way I am thinking about it there could be a few different ways of doing this.

Speedster Plan

1st Version: would be of course a track front nose piece with a new hood with more rounded outer edges as you go forward, new engine panels. There would be a nice round rear roll pan. This version would require the least amount of work.

2nd Version:This version would require a lot of work on the part of the person doing the build.
The beltline would be sanded off front and back, only remaining part would be part way through the hood, doors, and part way back of the B pillar into the rear fender. All of the rounded trim around the whole body at the bottom and around the rear fenders would be sanded down to the body, including the rear wide area below the tail lights. This would give the car a more smooth rounded feel.

Of course there would be the new track nose, hood and engine panels.

The Rear Roll pan would be a nice rounded one.

3rd Version: I have put a lot of thought into this for a long time now, hopefully it can be done in reality.

This version would require a alt body. It would include everything in version 1 and 2 just already done. Plus the following.
Reshaped doors & body at the bottom to allow for "lake style" headers and sipe pipes. These doors could also be used just for people who would just like to have sipe pipes.

I am really excited about working on the Speedster and the Roadster/Coupe Pickup!

David

Vman7

05-28-2013, 07:31 PM

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Jay Mann

05-29-2013, 07:11 PM

Update:

I posted this the other day in the General Discussions Forums:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?10175-Major-Change-in-My-Design-Direction

Thought I would just put out a few things that are going on with Designs for the 33. I have been gathering pictures from the internet over a long time tot get ideas of what actually people are doing. It has really got my mind running like a freight train on ideas :)

I know that some people here and at the other forum have been throwing around the idea of a Tudor or a Vicky also some kind of pickup.

I have a really cool design idea for a Roadster/Coupe Pickup that would need some kind of new rear subframe, the subframe would also work with the Tudor or Vicky body. Not sure which way I am going to go on the Tudor or Vicky body. Most popular in the retro look is the Vicky, but the Tudor has been becoming very popular as of late. The Tudor would give more room in the rear than the Vicky. So I am kind of leaning toward the Tudor, all depends on how it looks once mocked up.

Another idea I have for a alt body is a "true" Speedster with a track nose. The way I am thinking about it there could be a few different ways of doing this.

Speedster Plan

1st Version: would be of course a track front nose piece with a new hood with more rounded outer edges as you go forward, new engine panels. There would be a nice round rear roll pan. This version would require the least amount of work.

2nd Version:This version would require a lot of work on the part of the person doing the build.
The beltline would be sanded off front and back, only remaining part would be part way through the hood, doors, and part way back of the B pillar into the rear fender. All of the rounded trim around the whole body at the bottom and around the rear fenders would be sanded down to the body, including the rear wide area below the tail lights. This would give the car a more smooth rounded feel.

Of course there would be the new track nose, hood and engine panels.

The Rear Roll pan would be a nice rounded one.

3rd Version: I have put a lot of thought into this for a long time now, hopefully it can be done in reality.

This version would require a alt body. It would include everything in version 1 and 2 just already done. Plus the following.
Reshaped doors & body at the bottom to allow for "lake style" headers and sipe pipes. These doors could also be used just for people who would just like to have sipe pipes.

I am really excited about working on the Speedster and the Roadster/Coupe Pickup!

David

I am very interested to see what you do with the Roadster/pickup. I fooled around with some rudimentary ideas on an earlier post, but i could not get the proportions right. I did some preliminary profile on a woody, I think I could get that to work.

Would you consider sectioning a couple inches out of the speedster body? Would mean a lot of details to look into, but in for a penny in for a pound.

Vman7

05-29-2013, 07:19 PM

I am very interested to see what you do with the Roadster/pickup. I fooled around with some rudimentary ideas on an earlier post, but i could not get the proportions right. I did some preliminary profile on a woody, I think I could get that to work.

Would you consider sectioning a couple inches out of the speedster body? Would mean a lot of details to look into, but in for a penny in for a pound.

The Roadster/Coupe pickup is going to take some real good layout work. The hard part about the Roadster/Coupe Pickup will be the rear subframe (which would also be used on the Tudor or Vicky body).

I was thinking of a Woodie myself. There is a guy here in Florida on the east coast that does custom woodies.

Not sure about sectioning the speedster body just yet, won't really know until I get it mocked up.

Vman7

05-29-2013, 07:28 PM

Speaking of the Roadster/Coupe Pickup. The front grille and shell will be a custom one for what I have in mind, but it would be an option. The cab part would be shortened from the rear some, but not effect the seating. Cab would also have a optional windshield visor that would be molded in. The idea I have for the rear pickup bed area be is a little hard to describe. The gas tank would be basicly in the same place only lower and a more rounded shape at top and bottom, which would be part way in the cab and part way out into the bed area, gas tank would be alum and highly polished. There would be a wood bed with an polished alum cover over where the ctr rear end is for clearance. Of course an new subframe.

I was somewhat laying out the Tudor and Vicky the other day. The way it is going I am thinking more along the lines of the Tudor, it seems to flow better, mostly with the angle of the front. This might be the first group I put out since there won't be as much work involved as there will be for the other designs

More to come.

David

Vman7

09-07-2013, 04:20 PM

Well I haven't worked on anything since July, not even graphics of any kind. But I thought I would at least through up a couple of Mock-ups.

Here is the 1st mock up of the Roadster/Coupe Pickup side view so far.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21277&d=1378588621
21277

Panel mock up, side view so far.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21278&d=1378588749
21278

Not sure when I will get back to all of this.

I also added 3 new categories in post #1.

David

RM1SepEx

09-07-2013, 05:06 PM

Damn... I NEED a panel wagon...

Vman7

11-05-2013, 05:38 PM

Not sure when I will ever get back on this stuff.

Right now I am working with the VA on going back to school again, and depending on which direction I go, not sure just how busy I will be with school and such.

David

68GT500MAN

11-05-2013, 10:01 PM

I really like the pannel design.

Vman7

12-12-2013, 04:23 AM

Teaser! Roaster/Coupe Pickup.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24201&d=1386840158
24201

myjones

12-12-2013, 08:38 AM

Teaser! Roaster/Coupe Pickup.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24201&d=1386840158
24201

Vman
Both those designs are very cool and should be part of any 33 MK2 package.

Dave S has "thought about a pick-up 33" and I lean toward the panel delivery mostly for
the unique look and the utility of using it for power tour etc.

DB
Hemi33

Vman7

12-12-2013, 04:46 PM

Vman
Both those designs are very cool and should be part of any 33 MK2 package.

Dave S has "thought about a pick-up 33" and I lean toward the panel delivery mostly for
the unique look and the utility of using it for power tour etc.

DB
Hemi33

That would be cool if the designs would be something in the future.

As far as the Panel Delivery design, I have been doing a lot of thinking about it, design wise, mostly in how to design the rear subframe as well as for the pickup version. The Panel Delivery main concern is where to put the fuel tank. I have a few ideas for the panel delivery, such as a rear hatch, either with a top hatch and a bottom one or just one hatch. Also a way of finishing off the inside for use as storage compartments, hidden of course. Maybe some kind of optional pullout storage tray. I am thinking about doing some kind of retractable sunroof as an option.

Vman7

12-12-2013, 04:51 PM

Once I get back on the designs again. My hope is to really work on the speedster and full fender road racing body. Both would do well on the track. Both the speedster and full body road racing body designs would have suspensions that would be set up for handling for street and/or track. I am thinking along the lines of a 3 link.

As far as suspension for the Pickup and Panel Delivery, I am thinking more of a 4 link, mostly for room on the rear subframe, so nothing interferes with the bottom of the pickup bed or bottom area in the panel delivery. Probably have to do some kind of shock mounts.

More details to come once I get this crazy school stuff done for the VA, so I know where I am sitting school wise.......the VA has you jumping through hoops.........lol

David

Twinspool

01-10-2014, 02:22 PM

Vman7

01-10-2014, 06:11 PM

Absolutely brilliant. The versatility of a modular back section would be VERY attractive. Pickup bed, tonneau, panel whatever.

I'd like to see a few updated styling cues as well, not focused on aesthetics or 'correctness' but more on pure functionality. This is already the highest performing hot rod around, I'd love to use it and really rack some miles up. Think Pro-Touring meets the '33.

Thanks :) The idea I have in my head is a rear subframe that can be used on both the roadster/coupe pickup and Panel Delivery (could also be a tudor body) that could be done at FFR by having a welding table jig with moveable clamp blocks. Just set up the table jig depending on which 33 people order.

I have some ideas for different front grilles, tops, fenders, nerf bars etc.

David

Vman7

01-10-2014, 06:57 PM

In answer to a question of extending the wheelbase for the pickup to allow for a longer bed (asked by a few in the What's next for Factory Five thread)

I thought of that, but probably wouldn't want to go more then 114" wheelbase (2" longer then orig).

First off let me get this out of the way. the so called "pickup" design I am working on is not a pickup truck in the true sense of the word. '32-'34 Ford model B had the following wheelbases, and yes even the pickup trucks. '32 - 106", '33,'34 - 112". The pickup truck body sat more foward on the frame rails then the sedans, plus you sat more upright in the pickup truck.

A roadster pickup is not the same as a pickup truck. Basicly a roadster pickup is roadster body from the back of the seats foward with a short bed. I am not actually sure if Ford made any '33-'34 roadster pickups, it's hard to find any actual documents on them, I do know Ford made roadster pickups between '28-'32 though.

Here is a picture of a '34 Ford pickup truck (same as '33), you will see how more fwd the cab sits.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25124&d=1389397313
25124

Now here is where the problem comes in. First if the wheelbase is changed for the roadster/coupe pickup to say 114" the new rear subframe can only be used for the pickup and not the tudor, vicky, panel bodies, since those you would want to keep at 112" wheelbase. Second if you redesign the body and move it fwd some, then you run into all kind of chassis changes. So from a business point it would not be practical or economically wise just to have a subframe that is only for one body design that may or may not sell well.

From the mockup design, the bed looks short between the cab and rear fender, but that is an illusion being that the cab sit outward more then the bed, you can't really see where the bed comes up to the body because of the angel of the camera shot. This is one of the reasons (among many others) why I decided to tilt the rear of the bed outward at the top, it gives the appearance of looking longer as well as flows better with the angles of the body.

Roadster/Coupe Pickup (cab almost done, needs more shading, bed just a mockup right now)
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24916&d=1388812898

David

flynntuna

01-10-2014, 07:58 PM

Great work Vman. Your work is always top notch. I've made the decision to build an 818, but if FFR decides to offer a hot rod pickup... My children's inheritance would be in danger. LOL.

erlihemi

01-10-2014, 08:18 PM

Awesome renderings Vman. I like the track roadster idea. I'm toying with some alternative nose ideas myself. When your lined up with a bunch of miatas and cobras at the autocross the 33 looks unique, but at a rod show those 33 ford grilles get as boring as blue mustangs, purple cudas, and red Camaros...

Twinspool

01-11-2014, 02:03 AM

When your lined up with a bunch of miatas and cobras at the autocross the 33 looks unique, but at a rod show those 33 ford grilles get as boring as blue mustangs, purple cudas, and red Camaros...

The splitter, dive planes and diffuser should help distinguish from the rest. ;-)

erlihemi

01-25-2014, 06:15 PM

Has anyone played around with a 5 window roof design? From a practical point its nice to have visibility out the corners in some situations. I was thinking a wrap around like some of the 50's pickups had.

Vman7

01-26-2014, 04:36 PM

Thanks for the compliments :)

In another thread, I was asking about headroom, and the subject of blindspot came up. So I am trying to come up with an idea to help with that blindspot problem, so far nothing really looks that good.

Here is a rendering that Chip Foose came up with for a 33 coupe based on a roadster.
http://www.chipfoose.com/ksc_assets/current_builds/33fordcoupe.jpg

You can go here to see more pictures, just click on the the 33 Ford Coupe gallery
http://www.chipfoose.com/ws_display.asp?filter=Current_Builds

MT-ED

01-27-2014, 04:32 PM

I get where you are coming from with the pickup design. I don't think Ford did ever make 33/34 roadster pickups and generally the pickup versions were very different from a same year passenger car.

1937 for instance:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/Internet%20Use%20Pics/1937FordRatRodTruckVonSkip_zps07d23fc2.jpg

Now some people have mated a '37 bed to passenger car bodywork and created a nice sort of coupe roofed truck:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/Internet%20Use%20Pics/4824_zpsbbb9e143.jpg

But this style will not fit the FF chassis due to the increased wheelbase and reasons you state. So.........it makes perfect sense to go for the rear end that follows the cab back angle. It gives you a bit more bed (useful) and is esthetically pleasing.

Which is obviously exactly the conclusion that the designers of this '37 Phantom truck glass-fibre body came up with:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/Internet%20Use%20Pics/3740Truck_zps1643c0d2.jpg

This style of body has been produced by a few companies and seems to have sold pretty well, so a '33 version makes perfect sense to me. I LOVE small pickups and despite having a HUGE desire to build a FF'33 coupe, if this was an option I would very seriously have to consider it.

Ooh! nearly forgot......I love the way you have the bed lining up with the waist-line body reveal..........beautiful.

Vman7

01-27-2014, 04:40 PM

Thanks MT-ED :) I am trying to get the pickup as aesthetically pleasing as possible without going crazy...lol
That '37 (bottom blk) one looks pretty cool.

MT-ED

01-27-2014, 05:18 PM

Yes, that bottom one is nice, whereas the designer of this one went too far IMO:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/Internet%20Use%20Pics/0809tr_04_z1937_ford_custom_hot_rod_truckright_sid e_zps37a364c7.jpg

I'm a sucker for sedan deliveries too..........built this in the 80's back in England.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/Old%20Vanning%20and%20Rodding%20Pictures/IMG_4592Copy.jpg

Vman7

01-27-2014, 05:24 PM

MT-ED

01-27-2014, 07:36 PM

Yeah I would say that one is overkill. I like panel trucks and sedan deliveries as well. I hope to get back on the sedan panel design.

I love the proportions of your SD design and one huge advantage of not having fresh air behind the cab area is that it would be easy to incorporate rear support bars for a roll bar which would likely stiffen up the chassis even more. Oh darnit! Now there's 3 X 33's I want to build :o

MT-ED

01-29-2014, 11:11 AM

flynntuna

01-29-2014, 12:18 PM

I like it.

MT-ED

01-29-2014, 02:54 PM

Three dimensional representation. Roadster soft-top and classic Speed-boat style lacquered wood bed cover.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/image_zps25d5d86ajpgoriginal_zpsd7b1d05b.jpg

Vman7

01-29-2014, 04:24 PM

What about a fenderless (well bobbed fenders) Fleetside pickup with lift-off roof for Roadster capability?

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/Fleetsidecopy_zps538359f9.jpg

Note doors are reprofiled in window area.

Martin.

Three dimensional representation. Roadster soft-top and classic Speed-boat style lacquered wood bed cover.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/image_zps25d5d86ajpgoriginal_zpsd7b1d05b.jpg

That's more like a Aussie UTE. I might do something like that only a little more refined.

The idea I had in mind is a Roadster/Coupe pickup :) I am also going to do a fenderless, bobbed fenders, full fenders versions, just haven't got to it yet. Still working on a blank side view on which everything else will be based.

I also have some ideas about different short running boards with bobbed fenders, as well an idea for a modified '36 or '37 grille.

MT-ED, I see you have some talent as well :) I see that our minds our thinking alike :)

David

MT-ED

01-29-2014, 04:45 PM

Vman7

01-29-2014, 05:13 PM

Hehe! I used to own an Aussie Panel Van back in the 70's :p Must be some influence there. Actually I love El-Caminos and stuff, so there's influences there too. I'm really still learning my way around Photoshop. I used to do this kind of stuff with pens on paper years ago.

Sounds like you have some interesting ideas..........can't wait to see them. Oh! I love '37s, so that grille idea sounds cool.

Martin.

I am old skool myself I do a lot of my ideas on paper first, just so I don't forget them....lol I still do a lot of drafting the old way, I can just move faster, I just do it in photoshop, once in a while I will use a couple of lite CAD programs I have, I just don't know them that well. I would love to own Solid Works. Nice thing about Photoshop and Illustrator is you can do layers and change things with using a eraser....lol

I love the 1st gen El Caminos a lot, '69 is the only other version I like.

Martin here is a link to a hot rod artist (I wish I had his talent) that I get a lot of ideas from.
Gary Campesi http://www.hubgarage.com/mygarage/GaryC/vehicles

David

MT-ED

01-30-2014, 09:43 AM

OMG! That guy's art is sensational! Thanks so much for the link.

When you said "short running boards" I kind of went ??? Seeing this design I go "Oh yeah!" I can see something in milled billet aluminium with a rubber insert looking way cool.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/Future-Bobber_zpsaf273401.jpg

It's funny, because I was wondering about Pontoon fenders and he features that kind of style in several illustrations. Have you seen Decorides stuff?

http://www.decorides.com/

http://www.decorides.com/images/Bugnotti/1bugnotti_top.jpg

I was wondering about how a Duval windshield would work too and Gary Campesi has them on several of his designs.

Vman7

01-30-2014, 03:55 PM

Martin, Yeah that Gary has some very cool ideas.

That is one of the renderings where I got the idea for different running boards, plus many of Gary's other renderings.

I have Deco Rides bookmarked :) Terry Cook has some great designs. I am pretty sure what little kit cars they do, they are not cheap. My favorite one is the Zephyr Sedan Delivery.

Yesterday I worked on the Roaster/Coupe Ute style. It's ok, I am not that into the Ute body style that much when it comes to 33-34 body. I think the Ute body style looks best on the '36-'37 body.

David

MT-ED

01-30-2014, 04:30 PM

This is wierd............I feel like I'm talking to myself :o

I love the Ute style on 37's. One of my all-time favourite rods was a white '37 Ute with a big blower poking through the hood and big rubber on the back and perfect stance. It was in a report in an old copy of Street Rodder years ago. This body style............

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k364/38Chevy454/37%20Ford%20Ute/DSCF2041.jpg

And......lo and behold one of the cars on my bucket list in the "Cruiser" column is a rear wheel drive Deco Rides Zephyr Sedan Delivery. It would be on air-ride with purple candy over black paint so deep you could swim in it :p Sort of "Scrape" meets "Cadzzilla". Ever since I sold my VW Bug Panel I've wanted something that curvy shape again.

The thing with Terry Cook's designs is the very nature of their influence demands the car be finished to the very highest of standards and that takes deep deep pockets.

Lottery, wherefore art though?

Vman7

01-30-2014, 04:41 PM

Lottery......lol, that's what I need big time.....lol

I think the thing that makes the '36-'37 look better is the more rounded shape of the fenders.

Vman7

01-31-2014, 04:50 AM

I added a new category and link in Post #1, '33 Roadster-Coupe Pickup Ute.

Here is a side view preview of the '33 Roadster-Coupe Pickup Ute. (full fendered)
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25779&d=1391161297

with Tonneau Cover with fuel door.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25778&d=1391161284

Detail of bed, tonneau by cab.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25777&d=1391161257

Enjoy! :)
David

MT-ED

01-31-2014, 08:38 AM

Vman7

01-31-2014, 02:37 PM

Yeah, I actually like that better than my fenderless version. I see what you did there......separate tub, roof and pickup bed moldings. Excellent from a production point of view and for swop ability, but getting that extra body seam to sit right might be time consuming. And do you have some kind of seal between the two moldings or do you propose a gap? I'm guessing the back of the cab/tub acts as the front of the pickup bed yes?

Like the filler cap panel, hard tonneau idea. Very practical. Are you thinking straight sides to the bed ala Aussie Utes, or tapering the body to the rear? You can keep straight sides for more cargo room if you deepen the inner wheel arch reveal. Hold on, that sounds confusing.......keep the inner arches (where the fenders bolt up) dimensionally in the same position as an existing FF Coupe body. That would allow the use of stock rear fender moldings and existing running boards would all line up.

Martin.

There would be a gap between the cab and bed, there would be rubber spacers at the bottom between the cab and bed allowing the top part of the bed to flex some, also rubber spacers between the bed and subframe. The back of the cab would have an opening for the gas tank, which would be part way inside and part way outside with a outside cover which has a built in support brace going accross. I did that so you can change between beds.

The idea is to be able to use the orig fenders and running boards. Pretty much everything you said in that last part.

The body will taper in some. If you look at the orig full fenders they go into the body at the rear. The Bed would taper enough to go inside of the fenders, if that makes sense.

The Traditional Bed would be the width of where the inside wheel arch is, and straight back, which would determine the width of the top rails.

David

MT-ED

01-31-2014, 04:54 PM

Good idea that man! :p I think the bed needs taper otherwize it would make the back too heavy looking.

My old VW Panel had a nice taper to the rear that gave it a shape my Ex-Father-In-Law christened "The Lozenge" because he always saw the car from his 3rd floor balcony.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/Internet%20Use%20Pics/Scan_Pic0002Copy_zpsbdaee2fc.jpg

The hood was styled after a '40 Ford, so the back end taper gave it nice lines. Everything you can see in this picture apart from the rear valance over the exhaust (in primer) is glass-fibre.

Vman7

02-03-2014, 07:30 PM

Vman7

02-03-2014, 07:37 PM

Ok here we go!!! been busy last couple of days getting these done :)

33 Tudor
Note: this is not the way a normal Tudor looks, in the sense of the rear. I extended the rear by about 1.5" so that the side windows would be the same in length, going by the FFR window. I also recurved the rear from the beltline down to match up with the orig FFR and also to help give the tudor more of a raked look.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25880&d=1391473974
25880

Custom 33 Sedan Delivery, custom in that it flows with the orig. FFR 33 design

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25881&d=1391474125
25881

Both would have the same body, just different tops. The tops would interchange, like the top for the orig 33.

There would be custom interior panels. The rear would either have a hatch or a hatch tailgate.
Possible sunroof or top that could retract or take off.

ok now don't laugh, but I am even thinking about a soft targa top for the tudor......lol

Later I'll put them in an Album.
Enjoy! :)

David

MT-ED

02-03-2014, 08:07 PM

I remember those, they are pretty cool. Not sure if your's was BGW or not, but I remember BGW Spectre made some.
http://www.bgwspectre.com/
I always wanted to do a VW panel with the 40 ford front, they look pretty good if done right.

David

Back in the 80's a guy called Chris Boyle got the rights to sell the BGW body conversions in the UK. A friend and I ordered kits at the same time (got us a bit of discount) and I picked them both up in a rental truck. The 3-piece alloy grille castings (styled after a 40 Ford) were "on back-order" from the foundry............bottom line is we never ever got them. Therefore, I thought outside the box and after numerous trips to wrecker yards I came home with handfulls of VW Bug chrome trim strips and made my own grille. It ended up being deeper than the cast ones and much brighter.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/Old%20Vanning%20and%20Rodding%20Pictures/IMG_4594Copy.jpg

Your Vicky and SD are simply stunning IMO. Not exactly sure what you mean by "soft targa top". Do you mean a C400 style?

http://hubgarage.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/2666537/100_6546_detail.JPG

Did you mean to write "Ok here we go!!! been busy last coupe of days getting these done" or was coupe a Freudian slip? :p LOL!

Keep up the fabulous work David.

Martin.

Vman7

02-03-2014, 08:31 PM

Thanks Martin :) no that was a typo....lo, I fixed it...lol

That C400 is pretty, I have never seen one of those before. What I had in mind was just over the driver and pass seats.

I have another idea for the tudor/delivery, kind of a little of both. Martin if you go back to Gary Campesi site http://www.hubgarage.com/mygarage/GaryC/vehicles
look for the jeep wagon. I am playing around with some ideas in my head with something like that jeep wagon.

David

myjones

02-04-2014, 08:03 AM

Ok here we go!!! been busy last couple of days getting these done :)
Note: this is not the way a normal Tudor looks, in the sense of the rear. I extended the rear by about 1.5" so that the side windows would be the same in length, going by the FFR window. I also recurved the rear from the beltline down to match up with the orig FFR and also to help give the tudor more of a raked look.
Both would have the same body, just different tops. The tops would interchange, like the top for the orig 33.
There would be custom interior panels. The rear would either have a hatch or a hatch tailgate.
Possible sunroof or top that could retract or take off.
Enjoy! :)
David
David
Those look great, can you scale them and tell us about what the wheelbase would be ?
A 4 bar wishbone kind of rear would make it fairly easy to stretch the 33 WB. The rear deck would need stretched a bit too for
the coil overs to have a mounting point.
Dale

MT-ED

02-04-2014, 09:27 AM

David, the reason that you've never seen a C400 before is that as far as I can discern from an Internet search, they never made them.

Ford first brought out the Sedan Convertible body-style in the '31 Model A and it carried over to the '32. They were known as the A400 and B400 and were the most expensive Ford you could buy at the time costing a whopping $5 more than the Deluxe Fordor. Because of very low production figures of that body-style for A's and B's, survivors are very rare. All 33/34 C400's seem to be "Phantoms" created by rodders who wanted that body style and seem to be created from existing Tudors.

I like that idea from Gary Campesi's site on the Jeep. It would work on a '33 Tudor.............sort of half C400 roof and actually have a smoother profile over the windshield.

Here's a useful page for year ID on Fords of the 30's and 40's: http://macsautoparts.com/ford-early-v8-specifications-page/a/242/

Martin.

Vman7

02-05-2014, 12:17 AM

David
Those look great, can you scale them and tell us about what the wheelbase would be ?
A 4 bar wishbone kind of rear would make it fairly easy to stretch the 33 WB. The rear deck would need stretched a bit too for
the coil overs to have a mounting point.
Dale

Thanks Dale :)
The wheelbase would be the same as the orig FFR 33, which is 112". The wheelbase for the pickup would also be 112". The rear subframe would have to be designed to work with the Tudor, Delivery, and pickup bodies. A 4 bar suspension would work the best, and yes the coil over shocks would have mounts that would not interfere that much with the area above, another words there would not be a crossmember to get in the way that normally sits right above the rear axle.

One of these days I will have to draw up the subframe.

Here is a comparison between the orig. FFR 33 and the Tudor design.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25922&d=1391577384
25922

David

Vman7

02-05-2014, 12:22 AM

MT-ED

02-05-2014, 08:14 AM

Vman7

02-05-2014, 11:52 AM

I found this video this morning done by Wizard of Rods back in the 80's. Coincidentally, there are some cool '34 coupes in it as well as his VW body kit components.

The parts prices will make you laugh compared to today's prices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXKly4DETcM

I thought about the logistics of a bolt-in subframe to support a Sedan Delivery or Vickie body and looked at some chassis pictures. I think it would be a breeze. You could clamp around/bolt through existing tubes like the add-on tow-bar, plus bolt up using the top shock mounts and the plate beside each one.

BUT.............have we been ignoring the one big honkin' thing that upsets the everyday logistics of using a SD or Vickie? Or did we just get lost in the beauty of your designs?

The FF fuel tank position...........great and logical for a Roadster or Coupe..........even a Roadster Pickup..........but completely negates the practicality of a Delivery and there's nowhere to put the rear seats in a Vickie which is why you'd want one right? A tank could go behind the axle with either of these body designs, but we all know the danger level in an accident then goes beyond acceptable limits. Under-floor saddle tanks might work, but there's then no room for the exhaust. This works for Zipper Motors T's because outside exhausts look cool on them............ but not on a smooooooth '33.

Houston, (well Florida) we have a problem.

Yeah, I know, that is something I have been thinking about a lot. I brought it up a bit in post #15. Something tells me it will end up in the aft part of the subframe. FFR has the fuel tank in the rear on the Roadster, so danger can't be too much of a concern.

With a 4 link suspension etc. and considering the body roof height and leg room I don't think there is anyway to put back seats in either the tudor or the delivery, at least on FFR's design, mostly since the body over all sits so much lower then most of the hot rod ones. I was thinking just for the looks of a tudor or delivery plus some more space in back.

Oh how designing things gets your brain working in overdrive! :)

David

flynntuna

02-05-2014, 01:07 PM

I'm really enjoying this thread! I hope Dave is considering the option of using the "swatch watch" approach to the 33 like he is planing for the 818.

The Jeep drawing you mentioned is cool.

MiniVanMan

02-06-2014, 05:04 PM

I would so rock that Tudor design. The one with the windows. That was gorgeous. By the time I can build my '33 my kids will be teenagers. Just think, the '33 Tudor, a group of teenagers and prom. Will definitely have vinyl seats.

Vman7

02-07-2014, 11:31 PM

I'm really enjoying this thread! I hope Dave is considering the option of using the "swatch watch" approach to the 33 like he is planing for the 818.

The Jeep drawing you mentioned is cool.

That would be nice if Dave Smith was considering a so called "swatch watch" option for the 33, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Yeah I like that jeep rendering to.

I would so rock that Tudor design. The one with the windows. That was gorgeous. By the time I can build my '33 my kids will be teenagers. Just think, the '33 Tudor, a group of teenagers and prom. Will definitely have vinyl seats.

Thanks :) won't be able to carry any backseat passengers though, not enough room mostly due to how low the body sits and where the rear axle sits.

David

Vman7

02-07-2014, 11:35 PM

Here is the 33 Tudor Sport Wagon, well that is what I call it :)
The rear area is open and would have a ragtop. The front sunroof would have a sliding ragtop. If I get some time later I will put in the sliding ragtop open.

Opps, forgot to mention about the B Pillar, it is wider then the Tudor design to allow for a electric window partition. That is also why the rear side window sits back as well.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25967&d=1391834063
25967

Enjoy!:)
David

myjones

02-08-2014, 10:34 AM

That would be nice if Dave Smith was considering a so called "swatch watch" option for the 33, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

"Dave s did admit to thinking about a truck or maybe a delivery" <DB

won't be able to carry any backseat passengers though, not enough room mostly due to how low the body sits and where the rear axle sits.
David
The space frame really needs the tank shelf dropped 5-6" for all other styles of 33. That might leave enough room for a slightly higher bench seat.
Now if David will just learn solidworks in his spare time we can get him working on the new spaceframe :) <DB

Vman7

02-11-2014, 05:06 PM

I have been rethinking the longer wheelbase for the pickup design. I think I might have figured out a way to use the same subframe for the pickup and the Tudor/delivery without any major changes, just make 2 of the frame tubes 2" longer. This would increase the wheelbase to 114".

Also started working on something I thought I wouldn't really work on, design wise. Let's just say that being a former custom cabinet builder, it would be right up my alley :)

David

jayguy

02-11-2014, 05:23 PM

Woody!!!!

Vman7

02-14-2014, 02:35 PM

LOL... I guess I made that too easy....lol

MT-ED

02-14-2014, 03:14 PM

Ooh yeah............wood is good! http://www.animateit.net/data/media/smiley712/beaverhug.gif With the FF sportscar like handling it wouldn't lumber right?

Aw heck stop it David......I just got a brain picture of a fenderless woodie with sort of Butterscotch candy paint running Billet Specialities Bonneville rims in 17 and 18"....matching surfboard on the roof......hula girl on the dash............

http://www.billetspecialties.com/assets/1/7/DimLarge/VS35_Bonneville.png

Here's another idea. You said you like 37's so how about this '38 for ideas? Pillarless Tudor Sport Wagon?

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/1d28b1414e55118936c1f9a634def88c_zpsfc846d20.jpg

Vman7

02-17-2014, 11:28 PM

MT-ED, I like that wheel. That '38 is sweet! I'll have to play around with that idea.

Vman7

02-17-2014, 11:33 PM

Ok without further ado, here is the side view of the Woody.

This is along the lines of a more traditional woody.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26377&d=1392934225
26377
I plan on doing a custom woody as well. Plus another one with a fiberglass custom top.

Enjoy!:)
David

myjones

02-18-2014, 12:40 PM

David
I love the way that undulating top just screams for a surf board.
I just found the answer to the wheelbase locations and gas tank shelf problems with using the FF frame.
It's a head smacker when you see it done and it works for any wheelbase and body variations you need
Dale

Jay Mann

02-18-2014, 02:19 PM

myjones

02-18-2014, 04:52 PM

You nailed it. I built a bolt-on bumper mount for my roadster, similar to the trailer hitch that Erik sells. The same basic design could be used for the rear sub frame. Install the gas tank behind the axle and the cargo area would have a flat floor. Now if i could just afford to build another one.........
The key is the reversed 4 link with the links going to the back
Did you see the bolt on bumper I just made, it's in my albums.
Dale

MT-ED

02-18-2014, 07:54 PM

The key is the reversed 4 link with the links going to the back
Did you see the bolt on bumper I just made, it's in my albums.
Dale

Put "Reverse 4-link" in as a search criteria and see what horrors you come up with. These get used by the bagged Mini-Truck guys as a packaging solution, so you'll get a lot of links into those forums. Put something like this under a FF33 and say goodbye to all the handling that FF engineered in.

The Woodie is beautiful David. Lots of work and extra weight, but it could be molded that way in fibre-glass and then airbrushed to resemble wood by a good artist.

This was done with Posies' Extremeliner.

http://www.gatsbyonline.com/Users/8/Images/GatsbyAutomobileOldTimer/1937StudebakerExtremeliner_02.jpg

Waiting with baited breath for your "custom" one now.

myjones

02-19-2014, 07:30 AM

[QUOTE=MT-ED;140133]. Put something like this under a FF33 and say goodbye to all the handling that FF engineered in.

Their 33 chassis design is great but the harsh ride, quadrabind and bumpsteer fall short of well engineered handling IMO.
I have no doubt that some of the baggers have very poor suspension design, the one I referenced was on a well engineered
tubular rear clip for a full bodied car. Again it all comes back to how you use it, and a well sorted reverse 4 link would be
worthy of carrying one of V-mans designs. Autocross queen not likely but quite functional for a beautiful streetrod.
Love the ones you posted too
DB

MT-ED

02-19-2014, 09:51 AM

Their 33 chassis design is great but the harsh ride, quadrabind and bumpsteer fall short of well engineered handling IMO.

I've been doing lots of research and reading on the car and it's clear that FF built a reasonably capable basis for the average guy to build a fun car to drive. However, there's always people that have higher ideals and also build capabilities, be they either the financial capability or the design/engineering capability to make a good thing even better. Ideally, the design and the cash to bring it to reality are the best combination. Everyone has different tastes and priorities in how their car rides and handles, so it's inevitable that not everyone is going to be satisfied out of the box. And this is why there's such a healthy cottage-industry associated with these designs.

It would seem that Ridetech are the ones who've taken this car outside the envelope of its design the most. There's not a lot of the FF suspension left which I guess you'd expect from a suspension specialists. Obviously their back end bears little in common with the FF suspension apart from being a 3-link design.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/Quickie_zps61efe298.jpg

I read the other day that they pulled out the FF design steering rack and went to a front steering rack on their own bracketry because the FF mounting moved around too much with the huge tires they had on the car. I've seen some close ups recently of the FF chassis and if I'm ever in the fortunate position of being able to get into a '33 build I'm definitely getting a bare steel chassis. Not only would I want to clean up lots of the welding before laying out money for powder-coating, but I would have all sorts of bracketry changes to do to go the way my plans are working out. The Ridetech quick-change rear is nice, but I'm liking even more the set up in this 57 Chevy owned by Ben Thomas.

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/1403_1957_chevy_quick_silver_ben_thomas/photo_19.html

It's a 3-link with a Watts-linkage centering the axle at all times. I want to use a Winters Quick-change for looks and gear-whine :p. All the bracketry, adjustable swaged rods, rod-ends and shock mounts are available off the shelf from several suppliers to the Circle-track racing world, so putting it all together wouldn't be hard and apart from the axle itself I'm surprised how reasonably priced some of this functional eye-candy is. I'd centre the rear tires in the wheel arch reveal too, so the wheelbase would go up by an inch or so. When we get the 33 kit in Canada, due to some import restrictions, it has to enter the country with a big chunk of parts excluded (which are supplied later). A lot of it is suspension related stuff so I would just substitute all these racing world components instead of buying the FF stuff I don't need.

I have no doubt that some of the baggers have very poor suspension design, the one I referenced was on a well engineered
tubular rear clip for a full bodied car. Again it all comes back to how you use it, and a well sorted reverse 4 link would be
worthy of carrying one of V-mans designs. Autocross queen not likely but quite functional for a beautiful streetrod.

Yes, I'll give you that as long as well engineered is part of the mix. However, I think David primarily started out these design ideas as being more or less bolt-on swoppable additions to the current chassis design that FF might consider as a production viability. Once you do a 180 on the rear suspension it rather goes beyond that. I'd love to see design sketch ideas though. The baggers primary goal is laying frame and most openly admit that they do not drive their trucks hard. Apparently reversed 4-bars can lead to weird things like rear lift on acceleration and drop under braking which is totally counter to the weight transfer you want onto the front end at that time. It's all in the angles of everything and sometimes these guys only go for what gets them closer to the ground. Everything else is secondary.

Love the ones you posted too

Thanks :)

Martin.

Vman7

02-19-2014, 04:58 PM

Holy cow! A lot of reading since my last post....lol

However, I think David primarily started out these design ideas as being more or less bolt-on swoppable additions to the current chassis design that FF might consider as a production viability.

Yes that is more or less my intention. I'll have to explain it more though. I have somewhat explained bits and pieces through out the thread. I have a plan, but not sure if all of it should be let out, since part of the idea is a business idea, but as far as the design ideas aka bodies, chassis etc. I'll get into the "what the Plan is". Give me a few here as I gather my thoughs so I can somewhat explain what the ideas are, since there are so many of them :)

David

Vman7

02-19-2014, 06:20 PM

Ok lets give this a shot...lol

The ideas have many parts, so I guess I should break it down.

1st Part, Body

This mostly deals with the aesthetics of the 33 Hot Rod.

The first area would mostly be small stuff like,
different tops, roll pans, fenders, tail light options, engine panels etc.
This would also include interior ideas as well, like door panels, dash options etc. The fiberglass stuff could be done by builder or say FFR, they would be already molded and would have to be installed as either a bolt in or molded in my the builder.

The second area would be more body changes that either the customer or say FFR would do.
This would more along the lines of major changes like for example a new door to allow for side exhaust, or
a new front design. This would also be where the Speedster for example comes in that I somewhat explained in post #4. about the 3 different versions, or think of them more as stages. Stages 1 & 2 the work is more done by the Builder. Now this doesn't mean that the builder makes all the fiberglass parts, the fiberglass part would already be made, just that the builder would have to either mold them into the body or bolt them on depending on the part.

The third area would be complete molded body changes. This would include the Speedster, roadster-coupe pickup, tudor/delivery, woody?

This is where it gets somewhat complicated to explain, so I guess I'll start with the roadster-coupe pickup 1st,
since I put that design up 1st, not done yet, but was posted 1st in the sense of complete body changes. My intention was to work on the different tops 1st (most are already done), then the speedster.

Ok back to the roadster-coupe pickup.

Roadster-Coupe Pickup.
It would have a main body based on the orig FFR, but modified already molded, then you just add the windshield etc. fenders if you want of your choice or no fenders using the orig FFR ones or you can use optional bobbed ones. Then choose the bed style you want, which would come in a kit. Add the top you like. Now that is just the body stuff, as far as the chassis goes I'll explain that in the 2nd Part.

Tudor/Delivery
This would be like the Roadster-Coupe Pickup, a main body based again on the orig FFR. Same idea with the fenders using all the orig FFR or option ones. Now this is the idea I like a lot, the tops would work just like the orig. FFR top, just choose either the tudor top or the delivery top,or the Sport Wagon top (open in back and front rag top) there could even be some custom tops.

Speedster
This body has the most changes. This design would be designed for performance, for track or street.
The body is still based on the orig FFR body, but with major changes. A complete new front end, which would include a more rounded nose, think of a tracknose. New shaped hood, engine panels. Custom top (haven't decided on which one yet), which is more streamlined. A full roll pan, bike fenders that are custom, there would be no full fenders as an option. Most "speedster, tracknose, lakeside" designs don't have fenders. The idea I have in mind, all the rounded trim (think of the beltline) that goes all around the body would be gone, the only rounded accent would be a rounded one that starts on the engine panel and curves up into
the door. I'll have to get this one done for ppl to really see what I am talking about.

Full Fendered Race/Street Body
The front would have the front fenders come all the way down with the nose to create a front airdam which
would still have the flow and feel of a 33. The running boards would be higher to allow for side exhaust exiting
outside the running board near the rear fender. The read fenders would be extended down some, not much with a piece that goes from fender to fender, which is where the rear of the body is extended down. There would be a full rear diffuser.

Now keep in mind that the over-all idea is to make it easier for the builder

Ok I think I pretty much have all the fiberglass stuff talked about...lol

Like is mentioned before, I think...lol a lot of it will make more sense as I go along posting pics.

In the next post I'll get into the chassis.

David

Vman7

02-19-2014, 07:41 PM

2nd Part, Chassis

This area would not apply to the Speedster or the Full Fendered Race/Street Body, since the chassis would remain the same. This would apply to the Roadster-Coupe Pickup, Toudor/Delivery and possibly the Woody.

The main idea is to have a one rear subframe design that can be used on the pickup, tudor/delivery, woody. This rear subframe could either be bolted in or welded in, but I would think it would be better welded in, mostly for integrity to the overall chassis.

Now this is where it is a matter of practicality. Is it better to cut off the aft portion of the orig FFR chassis and add the new subframe or have a chassis jig with moveable color coded clamps for the chassis jig and have it done at FFR? The way I see it the latter would be better. I can't see spending money for a chassis then cutting off the aft section and adding a new subframe, in the sense of paying for something that jus ends up getting thrown out for the most part. Where as if I could have the option of having a different rear subframe when ordering, in the long run I would think it would save money, might have to pay a little more since there is a little more work and material, but overall would save time and money.

This new rear subframe would still have to have the quality and performance capability as the orig. FFR Chassis.

The rear subframe would have to allow for more room as well to be able to use more of the rear area.

The overall idea of the new rear subframe would allow for several body platforms in one nice package.

That's about all I can think of right now on the chassis as far as an overall idea, details would have to be figured out.

David

Vman7

02-19-2014, 08:13 PM

3rd Part, Details

This area is where it's up to the builder's preference, which is only limited by their imagination.

This would be anything from headlights, tail lights, exhaust, seats, gauges, gauge panels, exterior and interior
trim, engine options etc.

There would be resources and sources at the builder's disposal in one common area to gather information and ideas for their build. This would allow to free up a lot of builder's time to spend more time building instead of doing a lot of research and such. Now that doesn't mean all of the builder's questions would be answered, but it would help those that are not as knowledgeable in some areas help get them in the right direction on their build. One of the ideas of the resources and sources is to help builder's not to get discouraged and loose confidence in their vision of their build. I believe that some builder's may get frustrated and end up compromising on their build. So with the help of the forums, without a doubt :) and good resources and sources it can help builder's on their way to a great and rewarding build. :)

I wish there was a way for me to share all of my bookmarks I have. I have tons of them. Anybody have ideas on how I could share those without having to email them to everybody who wants them? Maybe somewhere I can upload them so ppl can download them and put them in their favorites. I really don't want to start an account somewhere just to upload them. Maybe someone could put them on their website?

David

Vman7

02-19-2014, 08:18 PM

oh btw, keep in mind everything right now is in the Design idea phase, where it goes from there is another story.

Even if none of this goes anywhere, at least it will help those with ideas of what they might like to do with their build.

MT-ED

02-21-2014, 10:05 AM

Vman7

02-21-2014, 11:23 AM

Vman7

02-21-2014, 11:37 AM

MT-ED, I forgot to address the woody. As far as doing it in fiberglass then making it look like wood. What I have in mind is more along the lines woodenboat building with epoxy resin, which would keep down the weight. The thing I like about woodenboat building is if you do it right using hollow tubes (instead of solid frame, beams etc.) and thinner plywood and use the woven mesh sheets with epoxy, is it makes it light weight and tough as nails.

Now most of this is research I have done over about a 30 yr. period. Something I have always had a deep passion for is building a sailboat. Got to love those strip kayaks and canoes! My problem so much isn't the woodworking part, but the space, even doing a kayak or canoe. But someday I hope :)

myjones

02-21-2014, 11:52 AM

Thanks David for the breakdown on your ideas. You certainly have a lot going on in the brain :)
I read the Speedster part with interest and this is what my mind's eye made of it................
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/opensidecopyBonneville_zps92451657.jpg
That's your A2C roof design. Note raised doors for side-pipe clearance.
Very Nice
I like the hood sides and how you carried the feature line across the door to tie it all in
The side pipes would let the 33 crowd experience what the Cobra boys call "snake bit" < Their phrase for a burn on the back of your leg from a lazy dis-mount.
If FF doesn't fall in love with this version they are too far into the 818 to see the true potential here.

On V-mans busy brain< I heard he had to take several naps a day just to keep it from blowing up ;>)
DB
Duckin and runnin for the door

Vman7

02-21-2014, 12:06 PM

Very Nice
I like the hood sides and how you carried the feature line across the door to tie it all in
The side pipes would let the 33 crowd experience what the Cobra boys call "snake bit" < Their phrase for a burn on the back of your leg from a lazy dis-mount.
If FF doesn't fall in love with this version they are too far into the 818 to see the true potential here.

On V-mans busy brain< I heard he had to take several naps a day just to keep it from blowing up ;>)
DB
Duckin and runnin for the door

I have a lot planned for the Speedster, which means a lot of brain drain....lol

rofl @ several naps! pretty much true though.

MT-ED

02-21-2014, 12:09 PM

Vman7

02-21-2014, 12:20 PM

If you need to cool your cranium off a bit...............

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/Roadstercopy_zps4c9b8453.jpg

lol....now put a duvall windshield on that and add a hot girl and go cruisin' on friday night!

Windrush.......I like that :)

ok back to working on the woody :) I almost said working on my woody, but I think that might not been taken right........lol

David

MT-ED

02-21-2014, 12:36 PM

Basically, that is a frameless Duval. Just the pillars with the glass slotted in. Rubber U channel to seal at the scuttle. Light and airy.

Vman7

02-21-2014, 01:09 PM

Basically, that is a frameless Duval. Just the pillars with the glass slotted in. Rubber U channel to seal at the scuttle. Light and airy.

I had to go back and look at the orig. I see it now, you added the ctr pillar. I love Duvall winshields. I wonder if the one Speedway sells would work on a FFR 33.

MT-ED

02-21-2014, 02:56 PM

Well the hideously expensive Speedway Duvall is made for a '34 cowl. Even if an original '34 is the same profile, the FF body is 3" wider than a stocker, so I think that's a no.

If you Google "Duvall Windshield" you'll find some DIY articles on making your own. One guy built one for $15 :cool:

Windshield porn.

http://www.pewsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/335.jpg

http://mycarquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/top-1.jpg

Vman7

02-21-2014, 05:44 PM

MT-ED, That's right, I forgot that the FFR 33 is 3" wider.....arrrhhh..

Interesting that you posted those pics.....that bottom one I just saw today after I did another search on Duvall windshield. I noticed more on ppl building their own, then on ppl actually selling them. Boy do I need to learn how to weld.

Vman7

02-21-2014, 05:51 PM

If you need to cool your cranium off a bit...............

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/Roadstercopy_zps4c9b8453.jpg

And a subtle difference.............an old Lead-Sled Kustom guys trick...........rounded the lower rear door corner.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/RoadsterRoundedDoor_zps9ebb28b1.jpg

David......any little subtleties or ideas you want to use, feel free. I think I'm pretty good at interpreting other's thoughts when they're presented in such a clear way as your stuff above. That 'side-slash" feature is pure Zipper Motors inspired and I'm guessing that's where your head was at too? Good way of venting the engine bay without going full open sided.

I like the lead sled trick with the door, see that a lot on custom cars. Actually I didn't get the idea for the "side-slash" from Zipper Motors, but I do like their's a lot, especially the tilt front. I got the idea for the "Side Slash" from looking at scallop paint schemes and the '33 Famous Double Dozen car.

David

MT-ED

02-21-2014, 06:17 PM

I had to go Google the '33 Famous Double Dozen car. OMG! That is gorgeous!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-APauEoARxoU/T94jDmn9L0I/AAAAAAAB-Lw/HelhF0AyQZY/s1600/DSC_0253.JPG

This is another one built by Steve's Auto Restoration.

http://www.hotrodhotline.com/pr/2011/steves_auto_restoration_1933_dodge_ram/assets/images/199.jpg

Vman7

02-21-2014, 06:54 PM

MT-ED, I think that one is called something else. I gather you saw pictures of the "Double Dozen" on google, it's the roadster that is Black and Red. Chris Ito did the design, he does designs for SAR. That's Dodge pickup, that thing is awesome, it ended up being black if I remember right. You sure we aren't related....lol, we sure think alike:)

update: I had to go back to SAR. That pickup is a 33 Dodge called the "Dodge Ram Rod" and it's in a dark purple.

another update: The picture on top in post #88 was based on the "double dozen", but the customer decided not to go through with it. It's now for sale, not sure if it has been sold or not.

David

MT-ED

02-22-2014, 08:37 AM

My bad..........I missed the hood scoop which isn't on..............

http://www.realsteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DMM_8589-copy-11.jpg

I realized the smooooooth look concept is very reminiscent of a Bobby Alloway Speedstar, but that still has most of the original style reveals at waist and bottom..

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/15798/15798_Side_Profile_Web.jpg

Tom Veale

02-25-2014, 06:08 PM

MT-ED, I forgot to address the woody. As far as doing it in fiberglass then making it look like wood.

Over the years I've had some "wood grain" work done by Woodgrain by Estes. The company was still in Florida when I last used them, but it is now in Indiana.

http://forums.aaca.org/f158/woodgrain-estes-32-34-fords-32-a-241970.html

This might be a possibility for a lookalike woody. Make it out of glass and then have it done by these guys. They can do dash panels, door panels, and essentially any kind of trim. You nearly need to get out a pen knife to find out if it's really wood.

Thanks for keeping up the great ideas for the '33. I've also looked at the idea of attempting to fit on something like the Scarab or Devin bodies to the FFR 33 chassis.
Devin SS
https://www.google.com/search?q=devin+ss+body+for+sale&rlz=1C1LDJZ_enUS509&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=UBkJ38elQLXf1M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252F encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9 GcR93kQCx1XpFHTjc2KYfUV7jaiZ3mbSHQar5qEX1iYkONWcBU 0z%253B1024%253B680%253Ba-1GOd_n0uEh0M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.conc eptcarz.com%25252Fvehicle%25252Fdefault.aspx%25253 FcarID%2525253D12920%25252526i%2525253D8&source=iu&usg=__3gRuhnfMCiGIKP4qSLxPtjvaCNg%3D&sa=X&ei=ViMNU7-fJ8aayQGP6oHIDQ&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAg&biw=1600&bih=815#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=UBkJ38elQLXf1M%253A%3Ba-1GOd_n0uEh0M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffiles.conceptcar z.com%252Fimg%252FDevin%252F58-Devin-SS_num77-DV-09-MH-06.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.conceptcarz.com%25 2Fvehicle%252Fdefault.aspx%253FcarID%253D12920%252 6i%253D8%3B1024%3B680

Scarab
https://www.google.com/search?q=scarab+race+car&rlz=1C1LDJZ_enUS509&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=w8mrPtmbk3QjGM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252F encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9 GcQk6gCLAeAt7fHYzH-meNT65H9pExqYeuU_-wm1CSj39BWGUbju%253B1115%253B793%253B_UeF9Ty2DsZLw M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Ftechnorati.com%2525 2Flifestyle%25252Fautos%25252Farticle%25252Flance-reventlow-and-the-scarab-racecar%25252F&source=iu&usg=__-WkUMLYc6TRovWV-2lx1eYROL30%3D&sa=X&ei=iCMNU6OQGcrkyAGziYGgDA&ved=0CC4Q9QEwAQ&biw=1600&bih=815#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=w8mrPtmbk3QjGM%253A%3B_UeF9Ty2DsZLwM%3Bhttp% 253A%252F%252Fscm-l3.technorati.com%252F11%252F03%252F10%252F28987%2 52Frttsh.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ftechnorati.com%2 52Flifestyle%252Fautos%252Farticle%252Flance-reventlow-and-the-scarab-racecar%252F%3B1115%3B793

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myjones

02-26-2014, 07:27 AM

I read the Speedster part with interest and this is what my mind's eye made of it................
That's your A2C roof design. Note raised doors for side-pipe clearance.

A few more changes are needed to solve swatch watch type issues on the 33.
1. The front of the door needs to move back more in line with the dash. This would make it much easier to install a remove-able front hoop and bring it down through the dash and land on the frame. Couple that with the new roof design by Dan Ruth that uses the same windshield with and without the top.

2. We need a running board option to cover those lake pipes so the full fender crowd gets their body options as well.
DB

MT-ED

02-26-2014, 11:28 AM

1. The front of the door needs to move back more in line with the dash. This would make it much easier to install a remove-able front hoop and bring it down through the dash and land on the frame. Couple that with the new roof design by Dan Ruth that uses the same windshield with and without the top.

Only problem I see there is the fact that you would destroy the one design element that gives such wonderful flow to cars of the 33 and onward era in the A-pillar area. Look at the 33's, the double-dozen design and the Dodge pickup above. If you move the front of the door back you get a big wide side to the cowl and the fore-shortening of the door will make ingress and egress more difficult. The door shut won't line up with the windshield pillars and if you did modify the roof to align you'd end up with a disproportionately short roof too which is beyond ugly. I tried modding one of my renderings and believe me it looked hideous.

myjones

02-26-2014, 01:45 PM

Only problem I see there is the fact that you would destroy the one design element that gives such wonderful flow to cars of the 33 and onward era in the A-pillar area. Look at the 33's, the double-dozen design and the Dodge pickup above. If you move the front of the door back you get a big wide side to the cowl and the fore-shortening of the door will make ingress and egress more difficult. The door shut won't line up with the windshield pillars and if you did modify the roof to align you'd end up with a disproportionately short roof too which is beyond ugly. I tried modding one of my renderings and believe me it looked hideous.

Thanks for trying that out. The ingress/egress issue would be a small price for the other gains. Sounds like they would just have to increase the overlap area so it still looked like the door opening was that long. While you were horsing around with that image did you happen to do a raised running board rendering ;>)
DB

Tim Whittaker

02-26-2014, 02:47 PM

I've considered making these windshields at a reasonable price but with the soft top and the hard top not able to be used without modification, I decided there probably wouldn't be enough interest to make it worthwhile.

Vman7

02-26-2014, 03:14 PM

Wow! more reading I have to do......lol Let me read through the new posts and see what I can address :)

Vman7

02-26-2014, 03:40 PM

MT-ED In post #90, yeah see what I mean on that "Double Dozen" and as well with that next picture you posted. Also I love the rake on both, but with the FFR 33 there isn't and won't be much of a rake, which in turn give me a slight problem with slopping down the hood, but nothing I can't figure out.

Tom Thanks for the website on the faux woodgrain. His prices aren't too bad either. The main thing I am concerned about, is if say a wood design is to be done with the so called faux woodgrain, like the old "tin woodies", would still have to do the prototype out of wood to make the fiberglass mold, which is great if that was the only design. What I kind of have in mind is being able to change the accents on the panels depending on what someone would like. It's kind of a toss up between wood or fiberglass with the faux woodgrain, both are good ways to go. I guess it would come down to expense and work involved in which way to go.

As far as the other body styles you mentioned. I have thought about that as well, just with more of a Morgan body style. I would think the Devin and Scarab, both very cool btw, would work better on the 65 coupe chassis, unless of course the wheelbase is closer to the 33.

myjones/MT-ED I agree with you MT-ED, about moving the door idea, I believe that it would change the looks way to much. I see what you are taking about Dale, about moving the inside, but leaving the outside of the door where it is. I think it would be better to just remake the bottom of the door up higher with a new doorjam for the sidepipes.

myjones Dan Ruth did a excellent job on fabrication of his 2 tops. I remember when I was helping him design those tops. If you have see his build thread over at the other place you can see how the top progressed from Dan's idea to the finished product.

The full fendered with the sidepipes inside the running boards is in the works.

Tim That would be cool if you did the windshields, but like you said about if there isn't enough interest, would it be worthwhile.

I am debating about taking a break from the woody for a bit or not. For some crazy reason I keep getting off track on that speedster....lol

David

Tim Whittaker

02-26-2014, 05:04 PM

Vman7

02-26-2014, 05:15 PM

Moving the bottom of the door up is easy. Gave it some thought when I did my side pipes. I elected to do it in a different way but the shortening of the doors is easy and no work would be required in the door jam. Just a little filler panel. Much easier to do than what I did but I wanted the pipe recessed into the side of the car.

That's good to know, thanks Tim :) I had to go back and check out your thread, not here but at the other one. I now remember that you were the one who did the exhaust through the door and modified the door. I was trying to remember who was the one who did that a few weeks back.

David

Vman7

02-26-2014, 05:20 PM

Speaking of exhaust. I would love to see if there is a way to do a 4" DIA exhaust coming out of the body just behind the door like in the orig. rendering that Dave S. liked, which was one of the things that inspired Dave S. to do the '33. Not sure if the chassis is in the way or not.

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/hotrodsketch.jpg

MT-ED

02-26-2014, 08:29 PM

I looked at the logistics David, but without a car in front of me I can't give a definitive answer. Tried to find someone's photo that would give a better idea and came up with this one from Nick's build log. The orange arrow shows the route such a pipe would need to take.............tight.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/image_zpsba729226.jpg

Now looking at chassis pics there's only one position that misses chassis tubes and that's indicated by the orange dot.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/6copy_zpsab0474b4.jpg

Transpose that to the body and it comes out off-center in the panel which would look weird.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/2HRCPC32_zpsf205be06.jpg

You can't bring a big pipe any further forward because of the main door hinge support vertical member. Only way I can see of achieving a look like the original rendering would be to make the outlet tip much bigger than the actual exhaust tubing and offset where it joins the tip to effectively move the tip forward and center it within the panel.

Like this................http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/Ex_zps86843d12.jpg

Ideally though, it still needs to be lower and I'm not sure that's possible with the convergence of chassis tubes near that point.

Tim Whittaker

02-26-2014, 08:46 PM

MT, That'd work. Same thing I did with the side pipes. As soon as they penetrate the door, they go down to 2.5" all the way forward to the headers.

Note the sway bar in the rendering. I'm doing something similar.

MT-ED

02-28-2014, 09:40 AM

Just discovered these from the mind-bogglingly talented Bo Zolland................

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TCInpxeVoqI/AAAAAAAC_aE/7W9eaEZS_Zk/s800/Bo-Zolland-Hot-Rod-33-34-001.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7wdfsw0zScg/TCWbly9r9gI/AAAAAAAAAaU/Q92eRVciEx0/s1600/Bo%20Zolland%20Designs%20Vintage%20Hot%20Rod%20wit h%20CTS-V%20Power%20in%20Mind%20(7).jpg

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/entries/3472/VizualTech_33_34_Hot_Rod_2010_05.jpg

http://www.auto-blog.pl/wp-content/gallery/viztech-33-34-hot-rod/bo-zolland-hot-rod-33-34-7.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TCInKEpsdZI/AAAAAAAC_ZU/Ek77DFOIisQ/s1600/Bo-Zolland-Hot-Rod-33-34-4.jpg

Gorgeous engine bay side-panel design.

http://www.paranoias.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bo_zolland-cadillac-powered-33-34-hotrod-10.jpg

http://www.paranoias.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bo_zolland-cadillac-powered-33-34-hotrod-01.jpg

Martin.

MT-ED

02-28-2014, 09:40 AM

http://www.paranoias.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bo_zolland-cadillac-powered-33-34-hotrod-02.jpg

http://rehmeier.de/wp-content/uploads/ford_sinclair_rod_concept_by_bo_zolland.jpg

http://images.artwanted.com/large/99/5735_21899.jpg

Vman7

02-28-2014, 11:55 AM

MT-ED I see what you mean about the exhaust, yeah the chassis is too much in the way. Now for the pickup or even the tudor could at least hide the exhaust tips in the body some, since the that part of the chassis would be gone.

Bo Zolland does some great stuff, he is mostly noted for his woodenboat designs. The Black car with the modified '37 grille, is the inspiration for my Wedge Design. The pictures before that (the green one etc.) gave me a few ideas for another top and the rear.

David

Vman7

03-19-2014, 09:18 PM

Well I have the Custom 33 Woody at least to a point of showing a preview.

I removed the grooves that went all around the wood frame, to give it more of a smooth look. Moved the beltline out to be even with the body beltline. Reshaped the door to reflect more of the orig door, set it back some on the top section, the hinges are hiden like the orig FFR ones. Slanted the rear side window on the B pillar. Brought up the rear roll pan area and gave it a little more of a curve, this would allow more room for tail lights, exhaust, Lic Plate etc., plus the top edge of the roll pan area is more inline with where the floor would be. Also the rear wood frame that goes from top to bottom was rounded over.

Not done yet I still have a lot of shading, color correction and little details I still have to do and go over everything with a fine tooth comb so to speak.

The roof is just a mockup for right now, until I see how much the visor should hang over the front, I will probably do the roof near the end.

I am thinking of this one being more of base for the woody, even over the more traditonal one I did for post #64.

This version would be the base, then you could add the accent panels and accent trim of your liking. I am going to do a few accent panels and trim to give some ideas of what is possible. Could even do some etched and or frosted glass.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27082&d=1395281501
27082

More to come....

enjoy! :)
David

Vman7

03-19-2014, 09:30 PM

oh btw, some might think at first the the rear fender hangs down below the wood body, but it actually doesn't it is an illusion, if you look at the front of the rear fender you can see the angle from the outside to the inside of the fender, same goes for the rear of the rear fender, it lines up with the bottom of the wood body so when looking from behind it is straight across.

I am debating once I am through with this version of doing a so called "stubby" version, which is shorter in length and has the orig FFR rear full fenders. I came across a so called "stubby" woody on the internet and it got me thinking.

David

flynntuna

03-19-2014, 10:03 PM

Very cool David. Couple of questions. Do you imagine the roof coming off leaving a roadster pickup look? And the fuel tank location over the rear axle?

esff32

03-19-2014, 10:44 PM

I'm in the same boat with the exhaust. I really like the look of the side exit exhaust but Erik Hansen has said he got a tremendous amount of exhaust in the cabin when the hard top was on. Anyone see an issue running the exhaust to an exit point located above the rear wheel. The exhaust would essentially run between the body and the side sheet metal in the trunk. I would like to use something like the photo, maybe as a trim plate. Thoughts?

http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b481/esff32/Factory%20Five%2033%20Build/de4eece4983116d417f887e56c5cbbc5_zps537c5f60.jpg

Vman7

03-19-2014, 10:51 PM

Very cool David. Couple of questions. Do you imagine the roof coming off leaving a roadster pickup look? And the fuel tank location over the rear axle?

I haven't really thought about a roadster pickup version. I have thought of a pickup version though, also a so called military/utility version where the top section has a canvas top, also where just the sides rollup. Think of the Kooblekar and the VW thing.

The fuel tank would be aft of the rear axle like on the tudor version.

David

Vman7

03-19-2014, 10:55 PM

I'm in the same boat with the exhaust. I really like the look of the side exit exhaust but Erik Hansen has said he got a tremendous amount of exhaust in the cabin when the hard top was on. Anyone see an issue running the exhaust to an exit point located above the rear wheel. The exhaust would essentially run between the body and the side sheet metal in the trunk. I would like to use something like the photo, maybe as a trim plate. Thoughts?

If I am reading this right, you are talking about the exhaust exit about the rear tire? hmm... not sure if there is enough room for that or not, and not so sure just how well it would look. I'll have to do a quick mockup or something.

esff32

03-20-2014, 04:05 PM

Yeah it wouldn't be centered on the axle however it might look decent. It essentially be between the radius of the inner fender and the body line. I'm not sure of the room either.

Vman7

03-24-2014, 09:11 PM

Yeah it wouldn't be centered on the axle however it might look decent. It essentially be between the radius of the inner fender and the body line. I'm not sure of the room either.

I'll see what I can do, when I take a break from the woody.

Vman7

03-24-2014, 09:19 PM

I think I am going to take a break from the woody, just a little break. Today my eyes are going buggy on me from looking at all the detail work going into the woody.....

I had an epiphany this weekend on the Speedster version ;) also about a so called "boattail" version, only that the center rear section on the boattail really doesn't come to a point. So I am kinda of revved up about working on the speedster and this new idea about a so called "boattail" versions.

I will get back to the Roadster/coupe pickup at some point :)

I have so many ideas to share with everybody, I think my head is going to run of of storage room at some point....lol

David

MT-ED

03-25-2014, 11:48 AM

Excellent digital chainsaw work David! I like that a lot. I took one look at the original and thought it needed a leaning B-pillar. That, plus the rear end lean gives an impression of movement.

Etched glass............once again you have an idea I've been into before. I acid-etched the windows on my Custom Van back in the 70's and did the glass sunroof, (on the outside) with the name of the van in reverse, so it read the right way from inside. Easy to do using vinyl as a mask and cutting out with a pointy crafty knife. The acid I used was like a wet paste and would cling to a vertical surface, so doing the door windows in-situ was easy. Left it about 20 mins, then washed off with a sponge and lots of water.

I can see some striping, Palm trees..........Tikki head gear knob :cool:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/33WoodyEtch_zps7eb3504d.jpg

Vman7

03-25-2014, 01:51 PM

Excellent digital chainsaw work David! I like that a lot. I took one look at the original and thought it needed a leaning B-pillar. That, plus the rear end lean gives an impression of movement.

Etched glass............once again you have an idea I've been into before. I acid-etched the windows on my Custom Van back in the 70's and did the glass sunroof, (on the outside) with the name of the van in reverse, so it read the right way from inside. Easy to do using vinyl as a mask and cutting out with a pointy crafty knife. The acid I used was like a wet paste and would cling to a vertical surface, so doing the door windows in-situ was easy. Left it about 20 mins, then washed off with a sponge and lots of water.

I can see some striping, Palm trees..........Tikki heads :cool:

Thanks :) not quite done yet, but getting there.

lol....I was thinking of the palm trees to. I have been trying to find some dolphins for the glass.

Could do wood inlays or some marquetry as well, say like some flying ducks or dophins with a sunset etc. on the panels. I wa even thinking could even do scallops like in a paint scheme only in marquetry.

David

MT-ED

03-25-2014, 03:00 PM

I could see a mixed etched/sand-blasted (to give a two-tone texture) breaking wave that follows the rear edge of the side window and breaks forward........dolphins riding its bow.

With your skills anythings possible in the wood department. Your overall design is very smooth though, so anything you did like that would need to be real subtle. I could see an inlaid belt-line pinstripe in some exotic hardwood with a subtle little Dolphin at the rear end, leaping forward. Made in the same wood.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/33WoodyEtchDolphincopy_zps8e61e95b.jpg

'Course, you realize that if you put dolphins on it then you have to keep it squeaky clean right?

myjones

03-25-2014, 04:12 PM

Excellent digital chainsaw work David!

Martin
Are you looking for a trip to the woodshed, picking on David's skills again:p
Etched glass in a custom van, I'll bet you even had the mushroom windows and shag carpet in it.
Dale

MT-ED

03-25-2014, 06:25 PM

Martin
Are you looking for a trip to the woodshed, picking on David's skills again:p
Etched glass in a custom van, I'll bet you even had the mushroom windows and shag carpet in it.
Dale

Actually, I built the entire interior of that van which entailed a lot of wood-working. I didn't have shag carpet, it was more a sculptured pile. A bay-window, but no mushroom bubble windows.

Didn't need them............I worked for the Government so I was the mushroom. Kept in the dark, fed B.S. :p

Vman7

03-26-2014, 03:31 PM

Vman7

03-26-2014, 03:41 PM

esff32 Here are a few pictures of the exhaust you were talking about. I think this is in the area you were talking about. There are 3 sizes of exhaust (2.25"/2.5"/3") examples.

Probably could do the same kind of exhaust where the orig exhaust exits, just with an outer flange, which would help make it look bigger.

2.25" exhaust
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27286&d=1395866225
27286

2.5" exhaust
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27287&d=1395866329
27287

3" exhaust
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27288&d=1395866404
27288

David

MT-ED

03-26-2014, 04:12 PM

Vman7

03-26-2014, 04:22 PM

That actually looks better than the concept sounded. My only misgivings are concerned with internal packaging, possible trunk incursion and proximity to the gas tank and filler. If it is feasible I can see a lot of exhaust wrap and heat shielding being necessary in order to negate heat transference issues. I could sure see an inverted pair of these set into a rear rolled pan though.

Martin.

The gas tank and filler area concern me the most.

A inverted pair on the roll pan would look good!

I still think there is a way to do an exhaust with the flange (like one shown) in a 3" DIA where the orig is, by using the tubing that fits now, I think it's around 2"/2.25" and go into a cone shaped exit, which would have the appearance of a 3". If that makes any sense.

David

myjones

03-26-2014, 05:18 PM

The gas tank and filler area concern me the most.
A inverted pair on the roll pan would look good!
I still think there is a way to do an exhaust with the flange (like one shown) in a 3" DIA where the orig is, by using the tubing that fits now, I think it's around 2"/2.25" and go into a cone shaped exit, which would have the appearance of a 3". If that makes any sense.
David
I don't care for the look at all, but it's just a taste thing.
Up there it just looks like someone stole the gas cap off of it. That's the thing about hot rods though, hopefully no two are just alike and something different speaks to each of us. On your cone idea. That becomes a megaphone and these cars are plenty loud already. It will also change the tone a bit and I think give more base but I'm going from what bigger tips usually do to sound. I wonder though if that location would help reduce cockpit noise and incursion a bit.
Still digging all the chainsaw art though so keep hacking away.
Dale

jydog

03-29-2014, 07:01 AM

This is a great thread. I really like the ideas flowing around here. I am currently building my own version of the 33 using some of the factory five design but changing it where
I see fit. I found the photo below on the internet and Im thinking of making my car similar to its design in the front. I also like the slightly rounded body. And the audi looking grill.

27396

my build thread.

build thread (http://www.ffcars.com/forums/120-factory-five-33-hot-rod-forum-sponsored-e-t-wheels/375322-frame-dimensions-tubing-specs-33-a.html)

Vman7

03-29-2014, 11:45 AM

jydog, Welcome! :)

I came across that picture once doing a search on google. Interesting, the beltline, grille and front airdam I could see being done on the 33. There is a 33 that was done with a front airdam pretty close to that. If I remember right it was at SEMA. There are a few pictures of it, I am just not sure where. There might be some in this forum or the other one.

David

Vman7

03-29-2014, 12:29 PM

jydog,

I found that 33. It's on FFR's website in a couple of places. The 33 was done by Peter Skoglund and his sons of Sweden.
https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MG_5384.jpg

without the front airdam in FFR's photo albums.
https://www.factoryfive.com/galleries/33-hot-rod/ffr-customer-peter-skoglunds-33-hot-rod/

esff32

03-29-2014, 12:46 PM

Vman7

03-29-2014, 01:10 PM

Thank you for doing that David. I like the look of the 3" but after looking at the area a little closer, I'm not sure of the feasibility of it. It would definitely keep the sound past the cockpit which would address the noise and the exhaust fumes issues of the side exit.

Evan

Your Welcome :)

The 3" always looks good! :) I am not sure about feasibility of it either. Like MT-ED said in post #122. There as got to be a way to keep out the fumes, sound wise not sure what can be done about that, on the orig place of the exhaust.

David

Tim Whittaker

03-29-2014, 03:22 PM

That's kinda what I had in mind to exit my roll pan. I actually have a side exhaust that I'm using an electric cut out on, so that I can run the exhaust out the side when I want to make some noise and out the rear on a long cruise.
My Cobra side exhaust is a little obnoxious by the end of a day of cruising. Using something like this, my rear exit won't be so noticeable. Will need to insulate and wrap in the roll pan area to keep the heat out of the trunk. I have some louvered panels that I may need to use to help with the heat issue in the roll pan.

Vman7

03-29-2014, 03:32 PM

Tim,

MT-ED mentioned that above. I think those exhaust w/flange would look sweet on a roll pan. Where are you having the side exhaust exiting out? at the orig location? or more at the front?

Tim Whittaker

03-29-2014, 05:51 PM

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/6t5cobra/33ford/HPIM1063.jpg (http://s359.photobucket.com/user/6t5cobra/media/33ford/HPIM1063.jpg.html)

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/6t5cobra/33ford/HPIM1044.jpg (http://s359.photobucket.com/user/6t5cobra/media/33ford/HPIM1044.jpg.html)

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/6t5cobra/33ford/HPIM1077.jpg (http://s359.photobucket.com/user/6t5cobra/media/33ford/HPIM1077.jpg.html)

Thought about going through the grill for the rear exhaust but the inside of the grill is in the trunk area. Out the roll pan will work though.

Tim Whittaker

03-29-2014, 05:55 PM

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo39/6t5cobra/33ford/HPIM1078.jpg (http://s359.photobucket.com/user/6t5cobra/media/33ford/HPIM1078.jpg.html)

Door opens around the side pipe. Back up and additional signal/brake lights are behind the rear grill.

Vman7

03-29-2014, 06:04 PM

Tim,

Ok now I remember your side exhaust. Hard to keep up with who is doing what....lol
Yeah through the roll pan will work. I think it would look a lot better as well.

David

MT-ED

03-30-2014, 08:24 AM

Could work Tim...........these are a bit undersized I think, but it gives the idea.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/HPIM1044_zps387ed760.jpg

Martin.

Tim Whittaker

03-30-2014, 10:40 AM

Thanks !!!If i elect to run it out the roll pan, I want to try and hide it as much as possible.

Vman7

06-07-2014, 06:17 AM

Thought I would just give a quick update.

Took a break for awhile, actually longer then I was planning on........lol

As some may be aware of I announced my design idea on the Roadster forum about the Ferrari inspired design. That one has been on my mind since 2006. But it still won't take priority over design work. The only design that may take priority over any of the design would be the 818 hardtop, depending on Dave Smith and FFR.

So I'll being working on the 33 stuff again, and kind of working on the Roadster stuff at the same time.

David

kkcalm5

07-02-2014, 06:32 PM

Vman7 David

looking over your renderings and diggen the woody. Been looking at building a 33 HR and with my wife liken Woody's it would be a much easier sell, but that's another story.
Had a thought (and yes they hurt) about the 33 HR, going backwards and taking out the trunk lid and putting in a rumble seat. That way you could take the wife and the kids on a drive, just sayn
all have a great day and a safe 4th of July
thanks
Kevin

Vman7

07-18-2014, 10:04 PM

Vman7

07-18-2014, 10:11 PM

I have been working on a few things here and there. Lately helping out one of our forum members doing some layouts for engine panel side vents and a paint scheme. Since I started laying out his vents I just continued to work on some other side vents as well.

Here is just a screenshot in Photoshop of some of my guidelines, basic parts etc.

The blue lines are the firewall and chassis. The purple lines are spacers (many different sizes). The black lines are parts for creating the layouts for the vents. There will be some custom shaped vents as well.

Boy this is going to be a lot of pics..........lol

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31490&d=1405739388
31490

myjones

07-19-2014, 07:14 AM

I have been working on a few things here and there. Lately helping out one of our forum members doing some layouts for engine panel side vents and a paint scheme. Since I started laying out his vents I just continued to work on some other side vents as well.
Boy this is going to be a lot of pics..........lol

I really like those vertical vents, BTW tell that jerk to send you a check for all your hard work. :rolleyes:
DB

MT-ED

07-19-2014, 10:33 AM

If I'm understanding what I'm seeing correctly, then my mind goes, "Range Rover".

Vman7

07-19-2014, 11:17 AM

I really like those vertical vents, BTW tell that jerk to send you a check for all your hard work. :rolleyes:
DB

LOL.......

If I'm understanding what I'm seeing correctly, then my mind goes, "Range Rover".

No, those are just parts (black lines) I use to make vents for basic vent shapes, custom vents are layed out by hand.

MT-ED

07-20-2014, 07:56 AM

Ahah, I see (I think). I've seen the graphics and side vent rendering you did for that guy you need to bill ;) Awesome work as usual.

Tom Veale

07-21-2014, 11:04 AM

Here's a bunch of Vent and Louvre photos I took at a cruise night last Fall

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=610

plus others I've captured here and other places just for some ideas...............

Best regards, Tom

Vman7

07-21-2014, 02:24 PM

Thanks Tom! :) I have one idea that is like yours, only 2.

There are a couple on nice designs in those pics.

Lots of louvers (multiple small punched type) in those pics, which I like, but I probably won't draw any up, would be a lot of work, besides most people know what the punched louvers look like anyways.

David

Tom Veale

07-21-2014, 02:52 PM

MT-ED

07-23-2014, 10:03 AM

Ah! The amazing see-through man trick :) That looks pretty nice Tom and I can imagine a half-height front one might look even better.

Vman7

07-23-2014, 01:21 PM

Hi David,

Here's what I was going to do if the one vent wasn't enough:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31547&d=1405972147

I'd also considered an additional one about 1/2 the height to be the furthest one forward.

Best regards, TV

Tom, funny how people think the same :) That is almost exactly the same as one of my ideas. Those look a little wider then what I have layed out. The ones I have layed out right now are 3.75" wide. Of couse they are being layed out for a full fendered car. I haven't done anything for bike fender/no fender 33s yet.

David

Tom Veale

07-23-2014, 01:54 PM

Cut and Paste, Cut and Paste!!!

Hi MT-ED,
" I can imagine a half-height front one might look even better. "

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31669&d=1406141461

Sorta look like Shark Gills, don't they?

I can't remember who suggested that these could also have been glassed in with the open edge being on the 'inside' and flush at the trailing edge. If I had it to do again, I'd certainly tape the cutouts in that way to see how it would look. That idea hadn't occurred to me at the time.

The big vent is 6" x 16" x 1" opening. That provides ~32 sq in of opening total with both panels. Double the vents and double the breathing.

I did it as a parallelogram to match the rear line of the side panel. It could have been a rectangle or ??? but I liked this shape with that existing line. You just have to remember to put it forward enough on the panel to make sure you clear the firewall for full vent effectiveness.

Best regards, Tom

Vman7

07-23-2014, 01:59 PM

Cut and Paste, Cut and Paste!!!

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31669&d=1406141461

Sorta look like Shark Gills, don't they?

I attempted to create this in reverse with the louver opening "in" instead of 'out.' but couldn't see how to do it easily.

Best regards, Tom

lol @ cut and paste and shark gills

Glad you mentioned about going inward instead of outward. I know as you go more fwd that the chassis is not in the way, but is the chassis in the way aft wise for doing vents that go inward?

David

Tom Veale

07-23-2014, 02:19 PM

David, The fire wall is vertical and is forward on the side panel just about to where the top of my vent starts. If the vent were back further and canted out like mine, it would probably still vent, but not as effectively, but it would fit. You'd see the side of the firewall through the vent, however.

If they were installed with the leading edge inside and trailing flush with the panel, then the rearward most vent would have to be as far forward as mine to fit without interference with the firewall. There's more than an inch of clearance between the side panel and the frame tubes on the inside to make it work reversed from mine.

Best regards, TV

Vman7

07-23-2014, 02:34 PM

Tom,
Pretty much all of the designs I am coming up with are parallel to the aft panel angle, and are just in front of the firewall.

Good to know there is at least an 1" between the panel and frame on the aft area. Dale aka myjones, told me about the spacing as well. It limits me on some things not being able to see the real deal.

Some of the vents that I am designing are to be mechanical so you can open or close them. Dale aka myjones and I have been talking about how to make them work without being complicated.

David

kkcalm5

07-23-2014, 06:38 PM

Tom/Vman7
I was at the Pismo Beach car show last two summers and took these picks that show some lover/vent treatments on the cars there.
this one is the one I was thinking would look good when I get into a 33 build. they set into the cover.
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3546_zps42216cd4.jpg (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/kkcalm5/media/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3546_zps42216cd4.jpg.html)
some others with the cars they were in.
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3547_zpsdd0e38ab.jpg (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/kkcalm5/media/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3547_zpsdd0e38ab.jpg.html)
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3586_zps3b1c7672.jpg (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/kkcalm5/media/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3586_zps3b1c7672.jpg.html)
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3560_zps5bce6473.jpg (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/kkcalm5/media/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3560_zps5bce6473.jpg.html)
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3239_zps8f2d50ed.jpg (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/kkcalm5/media/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3239_zps8f2d50ed.jpg.html)
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3235_zps6aabbf45.jpg (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/kkcalm5/media/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3235_zps6aabbf45.jpg.html)
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3248_zpsec198e17.jpg (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/kkcalm5/media/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3248_zpsec198e17.jpg.html)
Had some more but had to delete them. new here and didn't know about the 7 pic limit
enjoy
Kevin

Tom Veale

07-24-2014, 10:05 AM

Here's one last cut and paste with a full, 3/4 and 1/2 size vent.........................

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31724&d=1406214213

TV

Tom Veale

07-24-2014, 10:09 AM

Tom/Vman7
I was at the Pismo Beach car show last two summers and took these picks that show some lover/vent treatments on the cars there.
Kevin

Thanks Kevin, That's a nice cross section of ideas. Appreciate you taking the time to post them.

TV

Vman7

07-24-2014, 10:56 AM

Thanks Kevin :) always good to have a lot of examples to see what people are doing.

I found a forum the other day that has a bunch of photos, I think it is a french site, which is strange, considering all the pictures are of American car. I'll have to post the link to it.

Tom, that is almost exactly like one of my layouts again. Only I have 4 vents in a stepped layout. I see you grew a few extra arms there.......lol

David

Vman7

07-24-2014, 11:02 AM

Here is the link to that forum with all the pictures.
http://customrodder.forumactif.org/f6-hot-rod

Here is the '33-'34 thread
http://customrodder.forumactif.org/t698-1933-34-ford-hot-rod

enjoy! :)
David

4wheelspin

07-24-2014, 11:34 AM

I was debating with this configuration for a while.

31725

I then selected to go with the more traditional ones that I fabricated.

31726

Spiro

MT-ED

07-24-2014, 02:31 PM

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/kkcalm5/Pismo%20Beach%20CS/PB%20CS%20louvers/PICT3546_zps42216cd4.jpg

I would call this one a "Double Eliminator"

http://www.wallpaperswidecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/zz-top-car-wallpaper-4.jpg

I think the double looks better.

MT-ED

08-04-2014, 07:18 PM

Here's some wildness from the mind of Aaron Beck.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/F132_SH_B_01_zps656ef4c7.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/F132_SH_D_01_zps7fd98186.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/F132_SH_A_01_zps2d45ea5a.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u88/Martin_Thoene/33%20Fords/F132_SH_C_01N_zps110cebe2.jpg

Tom Veale

08-05-2014, 11:20 AM

I then selected to go with the more traditional ones that I fabricated.

31726

Spiro

Hi Spiro, That looks really nice with the tight cluster of vents. It appears you started each vent right at the back edge of the previous vent. Did you do anything to add structure to the backside or wasn't it necessary? My big single vent didn't seem to weaken the side panel at all.

Best regards, Tom

4wheelspin

08-07-2014, 10:00 PM

Hi Tom,
All 3 vents are made from 1 mold.
I cut the side panel and glassed it inn.
Lots of work to make it look uniform with the panel.
It wasn't necessary to add structure since its all one piece.
Hopefully it will cool the engine bay and firewall enough to keep everyone happy.

Spiro

Tom Veale

08-09-2014, 05:07 PM

Hopefully it will cool the engine bay and firewall enough to keep everyone happy. Spiro

My vent took a big heat load off the engine bay, firewall and footwell.

Best regards, Tom

finally conviced her

09-02-2014, 09:42 AM

So it took me 3 days to figure out how to get registered on the forum and I'm sure I've read this thread as many ways and times as possible. But I still feel like there is no definitive answer to the question "Is there going to be a FFR pickup?" I love the idea of the FFR platform but have to have a pickup. And I'm not about to buy a chassis and virtually destroy what engineering has gone into it in order to make a 33HR into a 33P/U.

myjones

09-02-2014, 01:28 PM

"Is there going to be a FFR pickup?" I love the idea of the FFR platform but have to have a pickup. And I'm not about to buy a chassis and virtually destroy what engineering has gone into it in order to make a 33HR into a 33P/U.

The offhand comments by Dave Smith about a pickup gave a lot of us hope that it would eventually be done, but the 33 still seems like a stepchild with the very minimal changes since it's release when
compared to other models updated and even several new models rolled out since then.

I didn't consider the changes I made to the rear clip on mine to be so drastic as to "destroy" any of FF's engineering, it is a great racing chassis that needs a few tweaks to be a decent street machine.
It is really a 33R as sold with a few cosmetic options available. A lot of the buyers seem to want a a 33S so we end up changing it out ourselves in many different ways. Springs,shocks,control arms.
The truck is only one more step down that same path when you look at what has to change aside from the body.

When you look at the 33 chassis, the parts from just behind the passenger compartment is what gets changed the most by the builders on here. The fuel tank is the biggest single complaint I see on here and even with the FF updates it still gets a C- at best and the Boyd only gets a C+ from me. While it is built better it repeats the bad location and shape of the original which sits too high and is limited by those fugly trunk hinges. The next change is the 3-4-5-watts-IRS suspension etc. that gets stretched softened swayed and a rear bumper or a tow hitch extension to the frame. We also add
body/trunk floor stiffeners to make the trunk latch work because the body has no support at all from the CL of the 8.8 on back. For a race car/33R where every single pound matters the rear clip makes sense but for all those built for the street it needs a lot of help. If I build another 33 the first thing I would do is bob off everything behind the passenger compartment and start fresh.
DB

finally conviced her

09-02-2014, 08:39 PM

I see where I got myself excited. I somehow drew the conclusion Dave (Vman) was Dave S. So the beging of this thread had me a gitty that a FFR 33PU was in the works. Now that I see my mistake I'll quit being excited. If FFR makes a kit then great, I'll be one of the first to buy one, unless I have found the right Henry Ford version first. Both have merit.

MT-ED

09-04-2014, 11:47 AM

Hi finally convinced her (love that) and welcome here. I wouldn't hold my breath on a factory Factory Five'33 as an improved version of the existing car seems to be on the back-burner for the forseeable future............not even sure the burner is even on actually.

The brilliance of the minds involved in this thread can think up what's needed. We all bounce off each other's ideas, artwork and creativity. Somebody out there with the facilities, finances and skills will probably do it one day........it's such a natural progression. I would love a pickup version and a coupe, but I'm not in any position to build either at present, so I just stick in my fertile imagination's thoughts to help in the mix.

Like myjones, my projected build, even of a coupe would junk a lot of the stock chassis behind the cab and reposition the fuel tank.

finally conviced her

09-06-2014, 12:39 AM

improved version of the existing car seems to be on the back-burner for the forseeable future............not even sure the burner is even on actually.

That's too bad. I was excited there for a minute.

Pro Built

09-29-2014, 11:18 AM

You are very talented

Vman7

12-29-2014, 08:52 PM

You are very talented

Thanks :)

Vman7

12-29-2014, 09:01 PM

Been working on some Sedan Deliveries this last week.

I decided to keep the orig FFR 33 door & window and blend in the panels to match.

If anybody remembers, I talked about how the Tudor & Deliveries would all have the same body tub with interchangeable tops.

Here are some previews of the Sedan Deliveries.

To see larger versions you can go to the link inTudor & Delivery Album in Post #1 or click on this link
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=830

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36976&d=1419904226
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36975&d=1419904182

Vman7

12-29-2014, 09:02 PM

2 more

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36974&d=1419904157
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36973&d=1419904130

Vman7

12-29-2014, 09:08 PM

There is more to come as far as the Tudor & Sedan Deliveries. There will be what I would call a blend of a Sedan Delivery & a Panel Truck (2 versions of a Humpback). Also a new version of Pickup UTE, and Pickup w/extended cab UTE based on the Tudor body tub.

David

kkcalm5

12-30-2014, 11:12 AM

Vman7

01-01-2015, 02:59 PM

I updated the links to Albums in Post #1

I combined the Roadster/Coupe Pickup & Roadster/Coupe Pickup Ute, To Roadster/Coupe Pickup

Added Woody Album and link.

David

Vman7

01-04-2015, 06:37 PM

Hey David
You do fantastic work with the designs. glad to see you back .
still in Love with the Woody concept
would like to see the Woody Wagon w/o fenders with the Halibrand wheels (dreaming)
been trying in my mind to figure out how to do the side panels with glass and thin wood planking and veerner panels, and keep it light weight.
Keep up the great work.
Kevin

Thanks Kevin :) I have plans for the woody w/o fenders, as well for all the others.
I think somewhere in this thread I talked about doing the wood like a wooden boat with the epoxy resin, and having hollow frames to keep the weight down. Someone talked about doing it all in fiberglass then doing a faux wood paint, but I think that would really expensive.

David

Vman7

01-06-2015, 04:39 PM

Well it looks like it is time to say good bye to this thread, and most of my other design threads. There just isn't any interest anymore, not that there really was to begin with, mostly the same people, which isn't that many that had somewhat of a serious interest.

I won't have the thread deleted, but I am considering deleting the pictures though, at least on the '33 stuff.

I am at the point of not letting my ideas out anymore and taking the chance that some *** will take my ideas and do something to make a profit off of them without my permission or some written agreement.

I doubt very seriously that Dave S. and FFR will ever take up any of my ideas. I would be better off going outside of FFR with a third party, but that doesn't look like that is going to happen either.

So bottom line is like my father used to tell me "never give your ideas out, unless you get something for it". So what I do from this point on, not sure yet, but I do know this, not going to share anything anymore in the sense of in word giving details, I might add a picture here and there to an album, but won't post that I did, if people want to find new pictures, they can search for it.

David

Vman7

01-06-2015, 11:21 PM

I started this thread to combine the other threads I started on the '33 designs into one, so everything would be in one place.

The main reason for this thread is to give inspiration to others, to give some ideas that they may not have thought of, and to those who either don't have much design sense or just can visualize what they would like to see in their '33 design. In other words, to help those who need help in design areas so they can achieve their goals in completing their '33 hot rod.

It all started with rear designs, mostly for the most part simple stuff, like roll pans, tail lights etc.

This is not limited to just designs requiring some bodywork of some kind, but also possible paint schemes etc.

Next I'll talk about how the body ideas (speedster, pickup, tudor, delivery, and woody) came about, in relation to FFR and 3rd party vendors.

David

Vman7

01-10-2015, 08:51 PM

I am trying to get back to what I posted in Post #179. I kind of got sidetrack with some 818 stuff here.

David

Vman7

01-20-2015, 08:33 AM

Not sure if I am going to get back to trying to explain any of this or not. It just kind of feels moot at this point.

David

Vman7

01-28-2015, 07:40 PM

What do you get when you cross a '33 Ford 5 window Coupe....

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38186&d=1422491090
38186

with a '33 Ford Vicky....

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38187&d=1422491215
38187

you get my latest creation....... A '33 Custom 5 Window "Phantom" Coupe

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38185&d=1422490953

I got the idea after seeing this

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38188&d=1422491510
38188

A little history behind the 5 window red coupe (which is hard to find btw). The coupe is actually a '34 Phantom coupe design by Chris Boyle called the 1934 Sport Sedan. Chris Boyle from what info I could find designed the '34 ford 5 window "phantom" coupe to give more room inside. The body was based off a '34 ford 5 window. Chris Boyle is from the UK and had a company called Rodline International, which is now under new management. Not sure when the "phantom" 5 window coupe was originally done.

Wait until you see one of the paint schemes I have planned for '33 Custom 5 Window, think pizza delivery :)

David

H R Lucky

01-28-2015, 09:55 PM

Wow, that's a cool looking design, wouldn't mind having one of those, if there was a way to move the gas tank away from the back seat.

Vman7

01-28-2015, 10:02 PM

Wow, that's a cool looking design, wouldn't mind having one of those, if there was a way to move the gas tank away from the back seat.

The idea I had in mind for the 33 Custom 5 window is not really a back seat, not enough area for that, but rather better side viewing, less of a blind spot, plus a rear shelf area. The gas tank would stil be in the same place, but instead of a tall gas tank, the new gas tank would lie flat and be roughly say about 3" high and lie under that shelf area. The frame for the trunk hinges would have a new one moved back to allow for the new trunk. There would be access to the shelf area from the trunk.

David

Vman7

01-29-2015, 07:57 PM

Been working on some rear stuff lately. I hope to get some top designs done, as well as some side vent designs.

David

Vman7

04-02-2015, 11:35 PM

I am going to be going back and forth between the Wareham Special and '33 designs. So I am taking a little break from the Wareham Special to get some stuff done on the '33 design, mostly the rear, like recessed Lic Plates and a few exhausts, also a larger rear window options.

There is a lot more to come......:)

David

erlihemi

04-03-2015, 05:00 PM

Keep it coming David! Looks good.

Vman7

05-05-2016, 07:11 PM

Well now that I am back working on stuff again. Thought I would just give a quick update with what is on the so called drawing board :)

Working some request stuff for a while back, 3 requests on the '33 Hot Rod, mostly small stuff. 1 818 request. So I am working on those as well as a bunch of the other '33 design ideas, plus a few new ones. So I guess I could say I am pretty busy to say the least....lol

Designs I am working on: (pretty much everything in Post #1, mostly overall designs)

Speedster
Roadster/Coupe Pickup, plus new "Shorty" design with or without bed.
Tudor, Delivery & Woody Mostly the Woody
New Wedge designs Not sure if I have ever mentioned this design or not in the forum, but it has been on the back burner for some time.
Well that is pretty much what's keeping me busy :)

David

Vman7

05-18-2016, 03:34 PM

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54098&d=1463602965

To see more detail here is the link to the picture in the Wedge Design Album.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=994&attachmentid=54098

Still a bunch of stuff to do, lot of shading etc. here and there. Working on the side exhaust, wheels, grille, interior, tail lights.

The teaser pic shows one idea for engine panel vents. The ones shown are one in chrome/polished alum. or molded in black.

The Windshield is of a somewhat DuVall style, but not really a true DuVall. I think of it as a 3 point custom windshield. It still need to be finished, mostly just the shape right now. Either going to be buffed Alum., Polished Alum or chrome, not sure which yet, won't know until I do the wheels.

Enjoy! :)
David

Vman7

06-04-2016, 06:48 PM

Here are a couple of in-work screenshots, just to give you an idea of the overall look. In these 2 screenshots are the laying out of the grille before giving the grille depth and a chrome look.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54587&d=1465083329
54587

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54588&d=1465083452
54588

Also trying to come up with a name for this design. Wedge is just a working title. The Wedge name came from the original idea of extending the nose to almost a point, but even from the top view curving the hood area to the nose became to far fwd of where the orig. grille was at the bottom. So I decided to go with a grille design based on the '37 Ford grille, but custom.

Since the nose design has changed the "Wedge" idea really doesn't apply anymore.

David

JB91710

09-09-2016, 10:00 AM

The panel wagon would be so easy to produce/mold. The pickup is a great idea also.

Vman7

03-22-2017, 04:57 PM

Thanks JB :)

myjones

03-23-2017, 07:19 AM

Vman7

03-23-2017, 07:42 AM

David
Looking back over your beautiful work here, it still gets me stoked seeing the panel/sedan delivery
BTW
I miss the input from MT ED Martin T. seems to have disappeared, and contact info you can send me offline ?
Dale

Thanks Dale :) I don't have any contact info for Martin, other then here. Never even talked with him through e-mail far as I remember. I wonder what happened to him as well.

David

myjones

03-23-2017, 08:07 PM

Vman
those designs are very cool and should be part of any 33 MK2 package. Dave S has "thought about a pick-up 33"
DB Hemi33

WOW
That guy can see into the future. :rolleyes:
Dale

Vman7

04-08-2017, 11:09 PM

Updated "Terms of Use" in post #1

David

Vman7

04-10-2017, 11:04 AM

Updated the categories in post#1

David

Vman7

04-15-2017, 01:13 PM

Updated Post #1 Please read!

I have put a lot of thought into this for sometime now. Not going to get into detail why.

David

Mick_d

04-15-2017, 08:33 PM

Oh man that sedan delivery/Tudor looks gooood. Wonder what it would take to actually build?

Vman7

01-31-2019, 05:17 PM

Going to be updating some stuff here. Mostly on the "Wedge Design" which has been a inwork title. At one time I actually used the name I came up with for the Series, but decided not to use it in the forums just yet.

So the "Wedge Design" will now be called Aero Rod Series. Which will have a bunch of updates. There will be 2 base body designs, 3 styles of noses, custom hard top, side exhaust, bullet taillights, custom rear nerf bumper, custom side engine vents, custom hood scoop etc.

Aero Rod Update 02-25-2019
I was going through all the files to get a better idea of everything, since it has been a while since I have really looked at everything.

This is the lineup for now.
33 Aero Rod Series
Aero Rod I
Aero Rod II
Aero Rod III
Aero Rod Speedster

Aero Rod III was actually the first design when it was under the inwork title of "Wedge". Then as things progressed came the Aero Rod I, which got even more refined and then came the Aero Rod II (my favorite), shown in posts #189 and 190. Aero Rod I-III bodies are for the most part based on the same body. Aero Rod Speedster has it's own body. Aero Rod Speedster is more of the traditional track nose lakesters.

Found another wedge design idea, not related to the Aero Rod, which is inspired by Dan Webb's Wedge Roadster and Zipper Motors designs. Not sure where this one is going...lol
End of update 02-26-2019

Not sure if I really desire to work on anymore panel delivery, tudor, woody etc., since FFR bought Rat's Glass, not really sure where FFR is headed with that. Matter of fact this whole Aero Rod Series may be a waste of time, maybe :)

Only other Design I may work on is the Coupe DeLux

David

Vman7

02-26-2019, 03:51 PM

Updated post #200

I'll be updating post #1 once I get everything straight in my head and figure out just how to word evething so post #1 doesn't hopefully tick anybody off, like it did in the past with a few people.

David :)

Vman7

02-26-2019, 04:08 PM

lol....had to update post #200 again. Went back and pulled up the all the different models. Aero Rods I-III are all based on the same body for the most part. So there is really only 2 base bodies including the Speedster.

Aslo when I was referring "Not sure if I really desire to work on anymore panel delivery, tudor, woody etc." in post #200. I am not referring to Panel Truck or Woody based on the 35 Hot Rod Truck, just need to make that clear :)

David

MT-ED

10-31-2019, 12:42 PM

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Hi David, I haven't been here in eons due to other stuff going on in my life. Still no hope of ever getting in a position where I can build a kit, but now I'm loving the 35 Truck. I noticed a few posts saying I was missed, so I thought I would touch base.

Back in 2015, I got back into Drag-Racing again. Specifically, Nostalgia AA/Gasser Racing. I posted lots of photos and this generated interest from John Foust who was building a '41 Willys in the style of "1969". I ended up designing the paint-scheme for his race-car and with his incredible painting skills it ended up getting a lot of recognition. I've pretty much been inhabiting Facebook for years and hardly used any type of Internet Forum. Doing John's design lead to me being asked by the Nostalgia AA/Gasser Club to be their Official Photographer, and I ended up doing Artwork and stuff for them. Since 2016, my Summers have been spent traveling with them to events in Canada, PA, OH and NY States. I get super close to the action with these 1000+ horsepower Alcohol-burning monsters and from my photos, I'm doing Artwork to help promote the sport.

Still dreaming of building a kit one day, but the Lottery seems to be ignoring my numbers.....LOL! I have ideas of a '35 truck built open-wheeled with a big nod in style to early Indianapolis front-engined Roadsters. Not using either the '33 or '32 grille, but a Cockshutt Tractor nose (very Track-T style) with heavily louvered hood and side panels. If you Google "Cockshutt 30" you'll see what I mean.

Great to see you're still doing design stuff to improve the looks of these already cool kits. I note that all my input idea pictures seem to have broken links. I still have the files saved if you wanted to reinstate them.

https://www.facebook.com/TinVisionsArt2015/

Regards,
Martin.