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atp
01-15-2013, 02:38 PM
Here is way to mod a wrx to 400 hp

I found at http://www.fastwrx.com/goinfasenand.html


ok this serves as a rough outline of good modifications steps that people who are new to modding should take note of...here we go..yes its a long read....ignore the fact that im talking about the old wrx motor, it has good info regarding the new wrx motor and the sti motor as well...

WRX mod guide

1) Engine
Going Faster - Engine and Drivetrain modifications

Here is your complete guide to getting more horsepower from your WRX motor. These steps are best followed in order, although they don't have to be. Have you got a NON-turbo late-model Impreza? See our Non-Turbo Guide.

The Subaru EJ20 turbo 2.0-liter motor is an amazing high-tech power plant with a huge capacity for increased performance. Straight out of the box, it generates 227 horsepower, but simple bolt-on modifications can increase that to over 400!

To unleash the increased power from your turbo-charged motor, you need to allow the turbocharger to breath more freely, on both the intake and exhaust sides of the motor. Generally, you should start from the ends of the system and work inward. When you have opened up the intake and exhaust as much as you can, you can switch to a larger turbocharger for even more power. Then there are additional ways to add power to the motor, including electronic add-ons. Note that none of these modifications involve taking apart the motor itself ?most of these add-ons can be put on by an amateur mechanic.

All horsepower figures in this catalog are measured at the crankshaft (as opposed to at the wheels) unless otherwise noted. Horsepower figures we quote here are approximate; as always, our mileage may vary.

Stage 1
Here we bolt on the simple modifications. These are generally easy to install and get some quick horsepower, but they don't change the basic nature of the car. It remains civil and easy to live with; it just has 30% more horsepower.

Boost Gauge
The key to getting horsepower from the turbocharged motor is to increase boost pressure produced by the turbocharger. More pressure means more air and fuel can be stuffed into the cylinder on each stroke, and more fuel in the cylinder means more power produced.

But too much boost can be bad. At some point the fuel system will not be able to deliver enough fuel to match the air that is being forced into the cylinder. The fuel-air mixture will become too lean, and will burn very hot. Those extremely hot temperatures can severely damage pistons and valves, and can destroy your engine.

This is not much of a problem early on in the modification process, but to be safe we urge you to install a boost gauge (if you don't already have one) as the first modification to your WRX.

The boost gauge can be installed in a number of locations, but the A-pillar (the one that connects the dash to the roof) or the center dash are great locations.


High Flow Intake
This used to be an easy way for owners of turbocharged cars to add gobs of power. Just slap an open-element air filter on a turbo Eclipse, for example, and you get an instant 10 or 15 horsepower. Technology advances, though, and the newest factory-built intakes are much better. Horsepower gains from intake systems on the WRX are smaller, but there still are a few horsepower (maybe 5) to be gained, and as other modifications increase, the added power will go up as well.


Rear Section or Catback Exhaust
The stock exhaust system uses small-diameter tubing and a fairly restrictive muffler in the effort to combat noise. We hard-core performance buffs actually like that trademark Subaru boxer motor exhaust thump, so it's an added bonus when you can bolt on 10 horsepower and get a nicer sound at the same time.

The exhaust system is built in multiple sections. The smallest section you can replace extends from about the rear axle to the outlet. (Blitz and TurboXS make systems like this.) You can also get "cat-back" systems, which add a rear-mid pipe to extend all the way to the rear catalytic converter.


Downpipe and catalytic converter
The front two sections of the turbo-back exhaust are the downpipe and the front-mid pipe.

The downpipe bolts directly to the turbocharger outlet, and collects exhaust gas from the turbine wheel as well as the wastegate. The wastegate outlet part of the downpipe has one of the worst layouts ever in exhaust-dom, with the wastegate gas running directly into a flat plate. That gas has to somehow find its way over to the main section of the downpipe. It's obviously not a high-flow layout, so upgrading this pipe is great for performance, as well as for preventing "boost creep" (uncontrolled increases in boost) from poor wastegate flow.

The factory downpipe has a catalytic converter in it. Some aftermarket downpipes also do. Some don't. A cat-less downpipe will generally out-flow one with a catalytic converter in it.

The front-mid pipe has a catalytic converter after it. Many manufacturers offer larger-diameter replacement pipes with higher-flowing catalytic converter sections, or with no catalytic converter. It's good to keep at least one cat in the systems for a lot of reasons, one of which is good citizenship and keeping the air clean. Another is that there are two oxygen sensors in the exhaust system, and having a cat between them keeps the ECU happy and not throwing "Check Engine" lights.

Of course, it is against federal law to remove any working catalytic converter from the car.


Boost Controller or ECU upgrade
At this point we add power by increasing the turbo boost pressure. There are two ways of doing this, both of which have some tradeoffs.

The "easy" way is with a boost controller. You basically remove turbo boost control from the car, and put it in the hands of a mechanical or eletronic device that YOU set, so you can specify whatever boost pressure you want. The benefits of this are complete control, low price, and ease of install and use.

The downsides are...well, possible destruction of your motor if you aren't careful. Sending too much pressurized air into the motor, especially at high rpms, can have very serious consequences.

The other approach is to get a whole ECU upgrade. This will increase boost levels, as well as change a whole bunch of other stuff, including timing maps, rev limits, speed governers (bye bye!), and more. The benefits are that you get a known-quantity ECU program with proven results, and you get the most horsepower you'll probably be able to make with a certain set of modifications on the car.

The downsides of this choice are lack of control (many ECU mods don't allow you to adjust the boost), and large to VERY large cost. Few ECU modifications cost under $1,000.

Stage 2
These modifications start to carry the car away from your average street-driver, into the realm of the street/track warrior. More horsepower awaits!

Header(Exhaust manifold) and Up Pipe

The factory manifold and up pipe are another source of restriction in the flow of exhaust out of the car. The manifold is the stuff that gets exhaust gas out of the heads, and most of the way to the turbo. The up pipe is the last piece of tube that consolidates all the exhaust gas from the four manifold tubes and carries it into the turbine housing.

Tubular header manifolds are very expensive to build. There are many bends, and the tolerances are tight. For this reason, the header upgrade is a pretty expensive way to make power.

The up pipe is not very long, but it does contain yet another catalytic converter. If one were (not legally, of course) to remove this cat, one could gain some more horsepower. Theoretically.


Turbo Upgrade
The factory turbo has limited air flow capability at high rpms, and high boost at high rpms is how you make lots of horsepower! There are many turbo choices you can make to solve the high-end wheeze. Most of them are IHI products, and bolt directly onto the factory intake and exhaust piping.


Fuel Injectors (or a complete fuel system)
The factory injectors probably won't be able to deliver once you bolt on the bigger turbo, so you'll want to thread in some larger ones.

The stock fuel pump seems to be able to do quite well even with high horsepower demands, so that can stay in place for the time being.


Front Mount Intercooler
For ideal intake charge-cooling, the top-mount intercooler just doesn't cut it. Airflow from the hood scoop is limited, and the core size isn't very big. A front-mount intercooler is just what the doctor ordered. It gets a blast of fresh cool air, and we can fit a huge core up there.

There are downsides to the front mount i/c, of course. The much longer hose routings will lead to some additional turbo lag. And if you're planning to use the car on a road race track, you may run into problems with the intercooler blocking (or simply pre-heating) the radiator. Not to mention that installing an intercooler means removing your fog lights, and in most cases carving up the steel core of your front bumper.


Upgraded Flywheel and clutch
Your factory clutch is probably slipping pretty badly by now. You'll need a tougher one, probably with a stiffer pressure plate and a more heat-resistant friction surface.

While you have the tranny off the motor, you might want to pop in a lightweight flywheel, which allows the car to accelerate faster in low gears. There's a little sacrifice in slow-speed driveability, but it's not bad. There's also a little sacrifice in your cash flow, but hey, you knew that, right?

DrAwender
01-15-2013, 03:14 PM
True its easy to get a WRX motor to 400hp, unfortunately the hard truth is that you WILL spend $10K to $20k to get that same motor over 350hp RELIABLY. Look around on the forums and then talk to the REAL Subaru engine builders, the one that build motors that last. Unfortunately speed cost money. The good news is that at under 1800 lbs, it doesn't take much to have super car performance. Also on the flip side ANY of the Subaru trans will break with over 350 TQ. Oh it will last going to school and back, perhaps few trips down the strip, but it it will not LAST. They can, you will just spend $10k on a gear set that will.

boostinsidewayz
01-15-2013, 04:10 PM
I feel as though you should have stated where that was from. Or that it wasn't originally yours

http://www.fastwrx.com/goinfasenand.html

That same write up has been passed around all over Subaru forums. Pretty sure that's where it originated.

And the Trans issue with these cars seems to be controversial.
I plan on pushing the limits when the car first starts driving. I think it will hold 350 with a decent launch(fast slip) for atleast a season.

atp
01-15-2013, 04:21 PM
Ya true subaru engines are cool because of all the hp you can put in them. i know some who 450hp sti

shinn497
01-17-2013, 04:04 AM
Dude I wouldn't even want 400 hp in an 818 not immediately. That's more power to weight than a ferrari enzo or lamborghini aventador! I think with that kind of power, the car would be really difficult to control and have lots of tire spin.

I think with insane hp, it really would just be a track only car, which could be your cup of tea.

Nuul
01-17-2013, 08:11 AM
400 WHP is doable, but like said above, it's not done reliably for cheap. I also agree with Shin, 400 WHP in an 818 is waaaaaay too much power for this car. Even if you get a good traction control system so you could keep the tires from breaking loose it's still wrap-yourself-around-a-tree level of power on a streetcar. 165 CHP is going to be a fun car, 300WHP is going to be scary bordering on insane and 400+WHP is just nuts. It's your car though, if you want 400+WHP go for it. My own opinion is that it's not going to be as fun of a car as one with lower horsepower that you can push closer to its limits.

longislandwrx
01-17-2013, 08:36 AM
Agreed.

With my setup and 330 WHP It's going to be scary, damn near terrifying, and I intend on detuning the heck out of it until the car is fully dialed in. This is a car as pure as they come, in contrast to modern sports cars that do all the work for you. I can drive a modern Carrera S through the corners at 80+ while drinking a coffee and changing the radio station. That car is just that smart, and pretty much impossible to spin. But If you've ever driven a Porsche 930, or any other high powered rear engine rear wheel drive car with ZERO electronic driver aids you know you need to respect the car and the laws of physics or it will hurt you. If you make one wrong move... spin... if you make two wrong moves... crash! In fact assume the car at every moment is trying to kill you.

The 818 is going to be beyond incredible, and I hope everyone on this forum has a healthy dose of respect for this car regardless of power output.

Kalstar
01-17-2013, 09:15 AM
Agreed.

With my setup and 330 WHP It's going to be scary, damn near terrifying, and I intend on detuning the heck out of it until the car is fully dialed in. This is a car as pure as they come, in contrast to modern sports cars that do all the work for you. I can drive a modern Carrera S through the corners at 80+ while drinking a coffee and changing the radio station. That car is just that smart, and pretty much impossible to spin. But If you've ever driven a Porsche 930, or any other high powered rear engine rear wheel drive car with ZERO electronic driver aids you know you need to respect the car and the laws of physics or it will hurt you. If you make one wrong move... spin... if you make two wrong moves... crash! In fact assume the car at every moment is trying to kill you.

The 818 is going to be beyond incredible, and I hope everyone on this forum has a healthy dose of respect for this car regardless of power output.


This is what happens when to much power meets non computer aided driver inexperience. As much as you think you know, the 818 can teach you a painful lesson in a hurry.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNwDcj1eXE

Mechie3
01-17-2013, 10:18 AM
That writeup was incredibly wordy without saying a whole lot. It reads more like marketing literature.

Here is a rather thorough guide written by Unabomber. It's divided into sections, is quite comprehensive, and takes a question answer approach.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533787

BrandonDrums
01-17-2013, 12:06 PM
True its easy to get a WRX motor to 400hp, unfortunately the hard truth is that you WILL spend $10K to $20k to get that same motor over 350hp RELIABLY. Look around on the forums and then talk to the REAL Subaru engine builders, the one that build motors that last. Unfortunately speed cost money. The good news is that at under 1800 lbs, it doesn't take much to have super car performance. Also on the flip side ANY of the Subaru trans will break with over 350 TQ. Oh it will last going to school and back, perhaps few trips down the strip, but it it will not LAST. They can, you will just spend $10k on a gear set that will.

As a few others said, the transmission issue is controversial. People who don't launch over 4k rpm and don't treat the clutch pedal like a catapult can rack up a lot of agressive driving miles on their 300+ whp WRX's on a stock 5mt. I'm one of those folks and I have a bud with over 220k miles on his WRX wagon with ~310whp. 110k of those are with the 310whp tune, before he was stage 2.

This is a helpful write up but a bit high-level and might be misleading to newer folks because it doesn't cover the risks and also suggests that just bolting on a few parts will net 10-15 HP. The air intake suggestion for example, just isn't true on a WRX. The stock airbox is actually more than adequate for 400 crank HP and below that, swapping in a cone filter intake won't make a lick of difference on the performance. In many cases, they will hurt the performance because most cone filter setups for the WRX/STI place the air pick up smack dab next to the hot hot engine increasing pre-turbo intake temperatures as much as 30-40 degrees than before. The stock unit pulls air either from the front of the car where it's cooler or from the fender well if the stock air pickup and snorkus is removed. If you want a cold air intake, you have to spend a lot of money for a real COLD AIR INTAKE. On an 818, we don't even know where a cold air source will be or what modifications FFR already have done to the intake for the kit.

I could go on, you get the point. Nice post but I think most people here know better as it is, those who don't should be wary of such information. As DrAwender pointed out, folks should know that putting that much power through the engine or transmission reliably is a MUCH different conversation than which parts you can bolt on to make it go fast for a few licks on the dyno.

longislandwrx
01-17-2013, 12:31 PM
Getting off topic but I plan on making some diy blast plates similar to the MP ones. I refuse to pay $400 for these guys. 1448714488

metalmaker12
01-17-2013, 05:51 PM
I feel 400whp in anything under 2400lbs is a bit excessive. My tune will yield 260-350whp in the 818. I think 285-290 whp will be a good number. There will be a point where the car will have to much power and I think that number will be like 325whp. The tire setup up over 250 whp may play a big part in the control of this rod.


Also, if you know how to drive the wrx tranny will last. In the 818 with like half the weight we should see little to no tranny issues, unless the tranny was hurting before the build. I had 300whp in my wrx for years and the clutch was the only thing that went. I took it to Englishtown NJ and ran mid to low 12's for like three years straight.

rjh2pd
01-17-2013, 06:20 PM
here is a 2000lb car with 600hp, notice the burnout at 18 seconds. seems a bit excessive and dangerous, but very fun at the same time.

atp
01-17-2013, 06:25 PM
This is way Subaru engine are so badass , you get hell of a lot horsepower out of a small engine

timmy318
01-17-2013, 07:51 PM
Speaking of exhaust..... What would need to be done to not necessarily upgrade the performance of the car but just the sound of the engine?

metalmaker12
01-17-2013, 10:12 PM
such a short exhaust is already going to sound beefy, i am crafting up my own turbo back. I am using my downpipe flange and bellmount cut and fit to a 3.25 polished stanless pipe bent to were I want it to poke out and look sinister. I am going to but a race cat and exhaust in line to quiet it down a bit and to keep back pressure. I already have the 309 wire to weld the steel to stainless and I have the 3.25 stainless tube. I just need the kit to mock it up lol.

philly15
01-17-2013, 11:21 PM
^i agree i was watching the short grassroots motorsports 818 video on youtube and it shows the car driving off with the stock exhaust and it sounded pretty loud i had a cutout in the down pipe of my last wrx and it was loud as hell but sick! should be similar in loudness probably even louder yet! i will probably use the top part of like a turbo xs shorty DP and create my own section of piping after the shorty section

atp
01-19-2013, 04:07 PM
Can we use an sti engine and tranny for 818

philly15
01-19-2013, 05:31 PM
Engine I'm assuming yes transmission no wont fit the case dementions are too big the STI 6 spd is huge compared to the 5spd

boostinsidewayz
01-19-2013, 11:42 PM
sti 6spd also can not easily be converted to RWD(fwd in subaru chassis)