View Full Version : Thoughts to the 818 team.
After seeing the 818 in person at SEMA and having been thinking.. here are a couple things that I think should be looked at.
1. If donor seats are being used, will there be mounting points for them on the frame.
2. How about an indent in the body for a rear side marker / reflector. (some states require them. Front taken care of with headlights)
3. Dual roll bars that are removable and able to be chromed.
4. An indent in the back spoiler for a 3rd brake light.
Anybody else have ideas that should be on the production cars?
terse
11-12-2012, 09:05 PM
yes... a roof :)
flytosail
11-12-2012, 10:03 PM
Will be needing mounts for a front license plate.
Kalstar
11-12-2012, 10:05 PM
Dual loop. I agree 100%
Racebrewer
11-12-2012, 10:09 PM
Chromed dual hoop roll bars???
IMHO, Give me a black single triangulated hoop that works, not cosmetic stuff.
John
Rasmus
11-12-2012, 11:24 PM
I agree with Racebrewer. I want a roll cage that's functional and legal according to the SCCA's General Competition Rules (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=SCCA+General+Competition+Rules).
Roll cages may be of two (2) designs, low front hoop (top of steering
wheel) or high front hoop (top of windshield). Specific installations are
subject to approval by the Technical and Safety Inspectors at each event
The basic purpose of the roll cage is to protect the driver if the
car turns over, runs into an obstacle such as a guardrail or catch
fence, or is struck by another car. It shall be designed to withstand
compression forces from the weight of the car coming down on
the rollover structure and to take fore/aft and lateral loads resulting
from the car skidding along on its rollover structure.
One (1) continuous length of tubing shall be used for the main
hoop member with smooth continuous bends and no evidence
of crimping or wall failure. The radius of bends in the roll cage
hoop (measured at centerline of tubing) shall not be less than
three (3) times the diameter of the tubing. Whenever possible,
the roll cage hoop should start from the floor of the car, and, in
the case of tube frame construction, be attached to the chassis
tubes by means of gussets or sheet metal webs with support
tubes beneath the joints to distribute the loads. It is recom-
mended that gussets be used.
I want two continuous hoops. A "main hoop" that goes behind my head and that of the passenger and a "front hoop" that goes in front of the steering wheel. I want them both continueous from floor bar to floor bar. The prototypes and sleds hoops currently aren't.
I intend to get the 818R.
Dual loop. I agree 100%
+1,
Xusia
11-13-2012, 01:41 AM
That's a good list. I think the indents for markers or 3rd brake lights are unnecessary though, and potentially even a bad thing. My logic: You don't NEED those indents to have those markers/lights, but having the indent would force those who don't need those markers/lights to install them - otherwise the indent would look out of place (with nothing in it). From a wiring perspective, a 3rd brake light would be best located on a part that isn't part of the [hinged/removable] rear deck lid.
Related to the subject of 3rd brake lights, it's my understanding they are not required in any state. What *IS* required is that new cars (completed ones, not kits) are sold with them. As I understand it, it's a NHTSA requirement that new cars must meet (when first sold - after that it's a used car), not a state DMV requirement to pass inspection or be licensed.
Titiling requirements varry by State. It will be up to the individual to research and then comply with his/her States' requirements. FFR will not be doing that for you. The Roadster (FFR) builders have been doing it for 15 years.
If I were to build an 818 I would be asking where the wiper is. And is there a heater/defroster?
Olli
Xusia
11-13-2012, 07:13 AM
It has been stated they will be available for the 818, my guess is as options.
Rockraven
11-13-2012, 09:07 AM
Also disagree with indents for the aux lights. Our tastes are not the same. I'd prefer to mount the CHML up between the fairings instead of the spoiler, and there are many different ideas that can be done for the side markers. FFR is giving us a $9900 palette to create the car to our individual tastes. I plan to open up the front bumper and add grilles, similar to Hiryu's photoshop, add a centre console and mount a 3G iPad for stereo, nav, and telemetry. Full leather dash with a carbon fiber faceplate. Lots of planning and dreaming, since it seems it'll be at least a year before I can get one.
AZPete
11-13-2012, 11:43 AM
Olli, x2: "It will be up to the individual to research and then comply with his/her States' requirements. FFR will not be doing that for you. The Roadster (FFR) builders have been doing it for 15 years." Individual mods are part of the fun.
Pete
Oppenheimer
11-13-2012, 12:37 PM
As soon as you start needing to make mods to the body (for example, to comply with your local licensing rules), the whole no-paint option goes out the window. IMHO FFR needs to, and will, account for all the various state licensing requirements that would require body mods. I'd bet they will eventually start doing the same for countries where there is a lot of 818 interest.
Rockraven
11-15-2012, 11:40 AM
As soon as you start needing to make mods to the body (for example, to comply with your local licensing rules), the whole no-paint option goes out the window. IMHO FFR needs to, and will, account for all the various state licensing requirements that would require body mods. I'd bet they will eventually start doing the same for countries where there is a lot of 818 interest.
Good point, but not necessarily true. You can drill the body and mount side markers, which will cover the hole depending on the ones you use. A stalk mounted CHMSL can be mounted with the base covering the hole as well. Any other mods that have a lip, like grille inserts, will cover any cut lines and look good on a no-paint body.