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[joe0121]

Hello all. I'm new just wanted to let myself be known. A GTM Supercar has been a dream of mine since I was 19 and first saw on on the internet. I just had a little Girls so it will be a good long while. But a Gen 2 in Black with black wheels, Carbon Ceramic brake off a ZR1 Corvette, black interior with red sticthing and a Supercharged LS1 to the tune of 800 HP would be just the ticket. Dont know if there are any members from the central Ohio Area. I didnt see a newbie area so I posted here.

[David Hodgkins]

Welcome Joe! Sounds like the makings of a good build plan. I hope to see you here often.

:)

[Kalstar]

Welcome and hang around, the build is only as expensive as time allows for collecting parts. There are some real artists on the board so stick around and learn.

[joe0121]

Thanks guys. How difficult is it to get these cars tagged?

[Kalstar]

In a word.... Hard

[riptide motorsport]

Welcome!!

[docglock]

Welcome to the madness! There are great people on this forum, and they are willing to answer questions. I have learned so much from the people here.

[joe0121]

In a word.... Hard

Sort of what I thought. Ah well another adventure.

[LCD Gauges]

Hello, I was once in your place (as we all were). Feel free to check out the blogs, and build threads. They are great resources for the hurdles, costs, work-arounds, and ingenuity required to get through a project.

[joe0121]

Hello, I was once in your place (as we all were). Feel free to check out the blogs, and build threads. They are great resources for the hurdles, costs, work-arounds, and ingenuity required to get through a project.

It seems to me the biggest challenge as far as cost goes is not the dollar amount it's the fact no bank will finance you so it all has to be cash you have available. I mean not many people have 19000 bucks just sittting in a bank account.

[VD2021]

It seems to me the biggest challenge as far as cost goes is not the dollar amount it's the fact no bank will finance you so it all has to be cash you have available. I mean not many people have 19000 bucks just sittting in a bank account.

Welcome to the forum.

That's normal. I'd find it difficult to loan the money if were the bank. It will be difficult to find financing and the people who can don't need to.

But don't be discouraged because there are deals out there. The hardest hit will be the kit purchase/delivery. You should keep an eye on the classified section of the other forum for a deal. The transaxle will be the next big purchase. From there you can save and look for additional deals for the the additional parts or donor.

[Kalstar]

Joe PM me and let's talk. This project can be done affordable if time and energy is pointed in the right direction.

Jim

[LCD Gauges]

I had a car to sell (2000 SS, hence the screen name) which helped me kickstart this project. Another $20K into pot since last year, and I'm about half done, no paint, or interior! It's not easy at all.
Having a donor car would help immensely, and having a budget plan as Jim suggests will save you time, and money in the long run.

The biggest error in my calculation when pricing the project was the transaxle. Without knowing the details of modifications required to make the transaxle work in the GTM, I figured about $5-7K for the
transaxle. Well, it turns out with all the bells, and whistles to mate it with the LS engine, it's actually closer to $12K.

There are also hidden costs like shipping, travel, and things of that nature that you don't forsee. YOu'll be doing quite a bit of running around to get parts, or meet with suppliers to purchase your parts.
In my case, I drove a few hours across the border to the USA for certain items, and dealt with people from across the country.

If I did it again, I'd buy the kit used with driveline (go-kart stage complete). The kit comes with many items that you'll be replacing, and spending to upgrade/correct. IE: Cable shift, transaxle accessories,
gauges, headlight covers, etc. Many members have used the Vette dash cluster for instance, or re-upholstered their interior. Perhaps FF will make a Gen III GTM with an options/exclusions for interior, TX accessories,
dash cluster, etc. It would make buying the kit more affordable for a wider market IMO.

[SStrong]

For financing, I got a line of credit from my bank. Ran it up to about $10k. Getting money from a bank probably depends on your state. The jobless rate is very low here (oilfield companies will hire about anyone with a clean record). I am trying to hire a couple of people, and have had over 10 fail the background checks.

[Jason Lavigne]

Hey Joe,

Welcome! My thoughts on the GTM build are - go donor car! You can save tons of money, and I think that a lot of people hear "Corvette donor car" and think it's unreasonably expensive. The truth is, you can end up with a net donor parts cost of about $4,000-$5,000. I've also heard of a few people breaking even after selling off all of their parts or even coming out ahead, but I wouldn't suggest budgeting that way. Would just be great if it happened to work out that way, though.

Also, if you have any technical questions, don't hesitate to call or email (508) 291-3443 or jason.lavigne@factoryfive.com. I'm happy to help anytime, and there's also a lot of other technical muscle throughout the rest of this post!

- Jason @ FFR

[VD2021]

I didn't mention it in my earlier post, but "body-work/paint" will be the last large part.

If you're not doing it yourself (or have a "hook-up") you can expect another $10-$15K depending on the labor rate and to the detail you want.

[crash]

Actually the bodywork, if you do it yourself, can be done for a couple thousand dollars, and it looks pretty good. If you want to park next to a Ferrari and be proud, THEN it will be in the 10-15k range, but certainly that is not what the spirit of this kit is about, IMHO

[Sally Bean]

Welcome to the FFR Community Joe -

I'd love to put one of our GTM posters in the mail to you if you give me your mailing address. It's not a black one but it's still pretty cool.

Sally at FFR

[joe0121]

Thanks for all the replies. That the big thing for me with cars. I love the Espri de Corps and it seems you guys have it in spades just like to Corvette Guys (I used to own a 99 Coupe)

I really cant wait. It think it would be cool to do with my little girls and Father in Law.

[joe0121]

I had a car to sell (2000 SS, hence the screen name) which helped me kickstart this project. Another $20K into pot since last year, and I'm about half done, no paint, or interior! It's not easy at all.
Having a donor car would help immensely, and having a budget plan as Jim suggests will save you time, and money in the long run.

The biggest error in my calculation when pricing the project was the transaxle. Without knowing the details of modifications required to make the transaxle work in the GTM, I figured about $5-7K for the
transaxle. Well, it turns out with all the bells, and whistles to mate it with the LS engine, it's actually closer to $12K.

There are also hidden costs like shipping, travel, and things of that nature that you don't forsee. YOu'll be doing quite a bit of running around to get parts, or meet with suppliers to purchase your parts.
In my case, I drove a few hours across the border to the USA for certain items, and dealt with people from across the country.

If I did it again, I'd buy the kit used with driveline (go-kart stage complete). The kit comes with many items that you'll be replacing, and spending to upgrade/correct. IE: Cable shift, transaxle accessories,
gauges, headlight covers, etc. Many members have used the Vette dash cluster for instance, or re-upholstered their interior. Perhaps FF will make a Gen III GTM with an options/exclusions for interior, TX accessories,
dash cluster, etc. It would make buying the kit more affordable for a wider market IMO.
I would def do a doner car. And look for a while try and find something wrecked that has had some engine mods.

[joe0121]

I think the problem with DIY Paint is people dont spend the cash on a good enough Compressor and Gun. I have seen some garage paint work that looks amazing. But It took them a long time in wet sanding/buffing. I think the local climate is a big deal. In Phoenix when it's 100 degrees and 50 percent humidity it is easier to get the paint the dry properly vs 70 degrees and 80 percent humidity here in Ohio.

[Kalstar]

Pm resent, just to add... Coparts needs to become your new friend and another thing, engine mods might not be nessisary if your measuring stick is a 99 Vette. I currently have an 09 Heads/cam LS3 Vette...Joe was nice enough to let me drive his stock LS1 GTM....all I can say is, in a race my Vette would be toast.

[joe0121]

Thanks for the heads up on coparts! I wonder if my 99 ended up on that site after it got wrecked.

My 99 wasnt stock. 412RWHP. However, the GTM is very light, and most probably a close ratio transmission.

[Kalstar]

411 whp or about 475 crank = 7.12 pw

350hp crank GTM = 6.71 pw

Just food for thought.

[joe0121]

411 whp or about 475 crank = 7.12 pw

350hp crank GTM = 6.71 pw

Just food for thought.

I hear what you are saying. So a GTM Curb weight is 2300 pounds? Thats WET IE Fuel, engine oil etc. Ready for a driver to turn the thing on and drive.

[Kalstar]

I hear what you are saying. So a GTM Curb weight is 2300 pounds? Thats WET IE Fuel, engine oil etc. Ready for a driver to turn the thing on and drive.

F5R target weight is 2350....mine will be about 2400 as I did not go crazy with sound system, insulation, ect. Another thing to factor, in stock form the Ls1 should put out slightly better numbers do to the shorter less restrictive exhaust.

[LCD Gauges]

Also keep in mind that driveline loss does not increase as engine power increases. The driveline will use up a given amount of energy no matter how much the engine is producing.

Figuring HP loss to the wheels as a percentage is not the most accurate. If someone knew the values for the Mendeola, and Porsche units, we could subtract the value from
the crank output. There will still be variance however as RPM increases, load, driveline setup, etc.

Not that anyone here is stating that; but I've seen it posted on this site before.

[joe0121]

F5R target weight is 2350....mine will be about 2400 as I did not go crazy with sound system, insulation, ect. Another thing to factor, in stock form the Ls1 should put out slightly better numbers do to the shorter less restrictive exhaust.

Thats crazy light. How is the interior noise? I need to find someone close by who has one built. I wouldnt reall go too wild on the stereo. It would have a big screen and navigation.