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Hi guys,
For some reason it seems the 818 project has attracted a lot of Engineers. I'm just curious to see how many of you are engineer and in what field.
I'm a structural Engr BTW.
Cheers!
BipDBo
07-31-2012, 03:57 PM
I'm a mechanical engineer.
Engineers like a simple well designed machine, which the 818 is. The weight and power figures of the 818 fill his mind with dreamy variables of the equation of F=M*A, or more precisely, A=F/M. In general, though, they are also very practical. They're too practical and/or don't make enough money to build a GTM, but the price of the 818 is similar to an econobox. The 818 can therefore avoid offending an engineer's practical nature while satifying his lust for tire shredding mechanics.
Mike N
07-31-2012, 04:03 PM
I'm a Mechanical Engineer (advanced aerospace composites).
Oppenheimer
07-31-2012, 04:05 PM
For some reason it seems the 818 project has attracted a lot of Engineers.
Yes, I've observed that as well. I haven't paid enough attention to the other FFR forums (or the older independent FFR forums) that I've lurked on for many years to notice if that is a general FFR trend.
We're talking about building your own car, so its not a stretch to imagine the premise attracting a more technically leaning audience.
Me, I'm currently working as a software engineer, but have an electrical engineering background, and had a mechanical engineer father so much of that (mechanical) mindset was inculcated via both Nature and Nurture.
MiniVanMan
07-31-2012, 04:13 PM
I'm a mechanical engineer.
Engineers like a simple well designed machine, which the 818 is. The weight and power figures of the 818 fill his mind with dreamy variables of the equation of F=M*A, or more precisely, A=F/M. In general, though, they are also very practical. They're too practical and/or don't make enough money to build a GTM, but the price of the 818 is similar to an econobox. The 818 can therefore avoid offending an engineer's practical nature while satifying his lust for tire shredding mechanics.
That about sums it up.
I work in MR Imaging (magnetic resonance imaging, aka MRI). I'm technically an engineer, but make my living keeping the damn things running on the very edge of known physics. Mechanical, pneumatic, hydraulic, cryogenic, software, IT, and fixing customer attitudes are all on my resume.
vozproto
07-31-2012, 04:15 PM
Mechanical / Product Development
RM1SepEx
07-31-2012, 04:24 PM
Mechanical Engineer, (my wife of 29 years is one too!) developed new process equipment for semiconductor, circuit board and electronic assembly. I live to play with mechanical toys...
Our local autocross club is also dominated by engineers, tuning vehicles to maximize performance
HelluvaEngineer
07-31-2012, 05:09 PM
Electrical Engineer. We design communications equipment and develop embedded software.
rhenry01
07-31-2012, 05:21 PM
BSCpE - Computer Engineer, I design data distribution networks for a major transportation company but my first love is microcontroller programming/integration.
StatGSR
07-31-2012, 06:11 PM
Another mechanical engineer here....
LCA1443
07-31-2012, 06:25 PM
+1 on ME
Also on the A=F/M.
OCCPete
07-31-2012, 06:31 PM
Aeronautical (Flight Test) Engineer
LCA1443
07-31-2012, 06:40 PM
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metalmaker12
07-31-2012, 06:46 PM
Mechanical BA URI, and Industrial Tecnology BA RIC, Associates in Automotive NEIT, I currently work at GDEB in welding engineering operations.
wleehendrick
07-31-2012, 06:56 PM
Undergrad in optics, grad degrees in Elec Eng (photonics). Currently doing custom displays (virtual reality, flight simulation...)
Not exactly the ideal preparation for building my own car, but I'm game!
Mechie3
07-31-2012, 07:04 PM
B.S and M.E. in Mechanical Engineering. Currently work for a medical device company in the field of capillary electrophoresis and mass spectrometry.
I'm a techie...but my background is mostly in applied math.
PhyrraM
07-31-2012, 08:46 PM
Not an engineer. Manager for the maintenance department of a corrugated box manufacturer.
All those mistakes that the engineers make when designing and building my machines? Yeah, I gotta fix them the right way, in the real world. :p
HelluvaEngineer
07-31-2012, 09:22 PM
Not an engineer. Manager for the maintenance department of a corrugated box manufacturer.
All those mistakes that the engineers make when designing and building my machines? Yeah, I gotta fix them the right way, in the real world. :p
Thanks, we love you man
Hazelwwp
07-31-2012, 09:37 PM
Electrical Engineer. I recently returned from a 20 year stint in Saudi Arabia. First order of business was to build a 33 Hot rod that I just completed. I will show it at the Street Rod Nationals in Louisville later this week. My son wants to build the 818.
David Hodgkins
07-31-2012, 09:58 PM
Software Engineer.
:)
SkiRideDrive
08-01-2012, 12:57 AM
Mechanical --> almost a patent attorney.
shinn497
08-01-2012, 04:12 AM
Theoretical Physicist (specifically in condenssed matter/antimatter)
Ok So I'm not an *engineer* but since I teach engineering and physics classess I might as well be. In addition, I've worked in several interdisciplinary materials science, Electrical Engineering and Micro Electrical Engineering labs. Engineering is really applied physics anyway.
Xusia
08-01-2012, 04:37 AM
By skill set I could loosely be considered a computer systems engineer, but I think the intent of the question excludes that. By trade I'm a long time IT Manager (who happens to manager what we in IT call "Engineers" but which I think also goes against the intent of the question).
leetfade
08-01-2012, 08:03 AM
Well... I went to school for Architectural Engineering but now I head a department of Software Engineers while running my own performance shop business. That count? :-P I am the engineer "type" per se, but don't have the paper as I got really bored in college... :rolleyes:
bromikl
08-01-2012, 08:23 AM
I'm a former Navy Nuke E.T. (SW)
The Navy training gave me a very thorough conceptual understanding of all modern mechanical, electrical, fluid flow, heat transfer, etc. engineering principles. Oh - and the principles of nuclear fission.** :D There wasn't much math involved, so I'd have a hard time designing anything. But I can take anything apart and fix it!
I wasn't really a car person before the 818. I disassemble and fix home appliances every day for a living - so figuring stuff out is 2nd nature for me. I've already swapped out an engine in an older Impreza. That was fun.
**I'm also a nuclear advocate. I could write a book about how nuclear is our best energy option, best for the environment, safest energy source known to man, best for energy independence, (potentially) the cheapest, great for the economy and manufacturing.... blah blah blah blah blah... all available evidence shows that low levels of radiation can be beneficial, nuclear waste is a political problem, - not a technical one... we (humanity) shouldn't be building fast reactors, liquid sodium is perhaps the most dangerous coolant besides nitroglycerine, the PWR (what I operated) isn't the best, and MSR is the way to go. LFTR is by far my favorite technology.
Zoolander428
08-01-2012, 08:56 AM
Materials Engineer here...
818 community has definitely a very interesting panel of all sort of engineers and technical trades. Thanks for sharing!!
Niburu
08-01-2012, 09:32 AM
Not an engineer per say, just an architectural/structural/electrical/mechanincal/plumbing/rigging/process designer and draftsman.
PhyrraM
08-01-2012, 11:08 AM
Theoretical Physicist (specifically in condenssed matter/antimatter)
Ok So I'm not an *engineer* but since I teach engineering and physics classess I might as well be. In addition, I've worked in several interdisciplinary materials science, Electrical Engineering and Micro Electrical Engineering labs. Engineering is really applied physics anyway.
(knock, knock, knock) "Penny."
(knock, knock, knock) "Penny."
(knock, knock, knock) "Penny."
;) Sorry, couldn't resist.
dbjr63
08-01-2012, 11:20 AM
software engineer (retired semi professional race car driver)
leetfade
08-01-2012, 11:41 AM
(knock, knock, knock) "Penny."
(knock, knock, knock) "Penny."
(knock, knock, knock) "Penny."
;) Sorry, couldn't resist.
Bazinga!
treadstone
08-01-2012, 11:56 AM
mechatronic systems (mechanical, electronic, & control systems)
timmy318
08-01-2012, 12:06 PM
Penny: What?
Sheldon: This is banana bread :P
bobzdar
08-01-2012, 01:32 PM
B.S. in microelectronic engineering. Work in reliability and process engineering.
Mechanical design engineer. Mostly heavy industrial machines made to shred/flail/crush/smash/compact/and bale other stuff using lots of steel and high pressure hydraulics. Its not the most technically advanced electronics, but it sure is fun to destroy stuff:) I'm more interested in the process of design of the 818 than I am in the car itself.
wjfawb0
08-01-2012, 03:05 PM
I'm an electrical with lots of civil/mechanical hobbies. I build high voltage power grid facilities at the moment, but I did work on electronics for several years through college and afterwards. I like building stuff. My latest project is a gsxr750 powered minibuggy (75"x 112").
http://www.fawbush.org/images/2012_5_14_buggy/2012_5_14_buggy_5.JPG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_3Hk9MrV-8
RM1SepEx
08-01-2012, 03:23 PM
nice buggy! link to the buggy mfg? on Ytube doesn't work... http://www.riskckraschsite.com
RedJoker
08-01-2012, 03:28 PM
Mechanical but with software and electrical experience, too.
The other thing about these forums is that it reinforces the old joke: How many engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? 4, one to change it and 3 others to say 'That's not how I would have done it.'
formfollowsfunction
08-01-2012, 05:27 PM
EE work as a petroleum though
Twinspool
08-01-2012, 07:14 PM
Mechanical, can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting one of us.
So with all these engineer types, why are we still plagued with questions about the dang 5 speeds suitability and the painful rehashings thereof?
MiniVanMan
08-01-2012, 07:19 PM
For all you engineers working on the design side, if you have two components that are connected by a cable separated by 6", then a 6" cable is not long enough. Just sayin' :p:cool:
riptide motorsport
08-01-2012, 07:34 PM
I am in my dreams!!!:cool:
bugeye_fever
08-02-2012, 07:04 AM
So with all these engineer types
There's your problem right there, haha.
I'm not an engineer, but my dad is an electrical engineer, and it's obvious (sometimes painfully so) which of his traits I picked up! I'm a Marine KC-130 Crewmaster.
ClemsonS197
08-02-2012, 07:50 AM
Mechanical PE.
But I'm building a roadster.
HelluvaEngineer
08-02-2012, 07:59 AM
Mechanical, can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting one of us.
So with all these engineer types, why are we still plagued with questions about the dang 5 speeds suitability and the painful rehashings thereof?
Are the engineers the ones concerned? I dont have any concerns with it. As long as it is one of the newer ones.
Niburu
08-02-2012, 09:53 AM
For all you engineers working on the design side, if you have two components that are connected by a cable separated by 6", then a 6" cable is not long enough. Just sayin' :p:cool:
generally the engineer doesn't spec the cable length, just the distance between the equipment
the contractor is responsible for correct installation of equipment
TCL1999
08-02-2012, 12:06 PM
What the hell, am I the only Civil Engineer here? I'm so disappointed. I guess we really are the bottom feeders of the engineering world...
ClemsonS197
08-02-2012, 01:45 PM
What the hell, am I the only Civil Engineer here? I'm so disappointed. I guess we really are the bottom feeders of the engineering world...
Civil Engineers are people who wanted to be Mechanical Engineers but couldn't hack it when stuff started moving. :cool:
Xusia
08-02-2012, 02:51 PM
Ouch!
OR, perhaps they are the only ones gifted enough to design something the everyone is happy with!
HelluvaEngineer
08-02-2012, 03:52 PM
What the hell, am I the only Civil Engineer here? I'm so disappointed. I guess we really are the bottom feeders of the engineering world...
Don't be. Without you guys where would we drive our 818's
MiniVanMan
08-02-2012, 07:06 PM
What the hell, am I the only Civil Engineer here? I'm so disappointed. I guess we really are the bottom feeders of the engineering world...
Yeah, but civil engineering is much less likely to get outsourced to China and India. ;)
Network Engineer, and I seem to be the only one.
You could say a structural engr (as myself) is a civil engr as my undergrad was in civ eng, so you're not alone TCL1999. BTW, I originally wanted to be a mech engr but the civ eng guys were throwing way better parties i.e. no fluid dynamics jokes and both gender were well represented... Choice was easy for me :rolleyes:
3000gttom
08-02-2012, 10:45 PM
I'm a former Navy Nuke E.T. (SW)
The Navy training gave me a very thorough conceptual understanding of all modern mechanical, electrical, fluid flow, heat transfer, etc. engineering principles. Oh - and the principles of nuclear fission.** :D There wasn't much math involved, so I'd have a hard time designing anything. But I can take anything apart and fix it!
I wasn't really a car person before the 818. I disassemble and fix home appliances every day for a living - so figuring stuff out is 2nd nature for me. I've already swapped out an engine in an older Impreza. That was fun.
**I'm also a nuclear advocate. I could write a book about how nuclear is our best energy option, best for the environment, safest energy source known to man, best for energy independence, (potentially) the cheapest, great for the economy and manufacturing.... blah blah blah blah blah... all available evidence shows that low levels of radiation can be beneficial, nuclear waste is a political problem, - not a technical one... we (humanity) shouldn't be building fast reactors, liquid sodium is perhaps the most dangerous coolant besides nitroglycerine, the PWR (what I operated) isn't the best, and MSR is the way to go. LFTR is by far my favorite technology.
cool, i'm majoring in Nuclear Engineering at Penn State but haven't really started anything specific to nuclear yet
i think i read somewhere that at the U.S. current power consumption, that we have enough Thorium to have LFTR's power the country for like 100,000 years, crazy stuff
Vman7
08-02-2012, 11:33 PM
I am in my dreams!!!:cool:
Same here :)
Just a working class stiff with a few tech schools....lol
MiniVanMan
08-03-2012, 03:08 AM
I'm a former Navy Nuke E.T. (SW)
The Navy training gave me a very thorough conceptual understanding of all modern mechanical, electrical, fluid flow, heat transfer, etc. engineering principles. Oh - and the principles of nuclear fission.** :D There wasn't much math involved, so I'd have a hard time designing anything. But I can take anything apart and fix it!
I wasn't really a car person before the 818. I disassemble and fix home appliances every day for a living - so figuring stuff out is 2nd nature for me. I've already swapped out an engine in an older Impreza. That was fun.
**I'm also a nuclear advocate. I could write a book about how nuclear is our best energy option, best for the environment, safest energy source known to man, best for energy independence, (potentially) the cheapest, great for the economy and manufacturing.... blah blah blah blah blah... all available evidence shows that low levels of radiation can be beneficial, nuclear waste is a political problem, - not a technical one... we (humanity) shouldn't be building fast reactors, liquid sodium is perhaps the most dangerous coolant besides nitroglycerine, the PWR (what I operated) isn't the best, and MSR is the way to go. LFTR is by far my favorite technology.
Just saw this post. I'm the exact same way. Have no design ability, which is kinda why I take little jabs at the guys on the design side. :D What we learn in the military is troubleshooting at an ability that no university could teach.
I was in the Marines and Army. Marines I was just a grunt, Army I worked with the Apache's FLIR, and laser targeting systems. That's where I really fed my passion of tearing into things and making something that has no right to work any more work again.
bromikl
08-03-2012, 07:11 AM
cool, i'm majoring in Nuclear Engineering at Penn State but haven't really started anything specific to nuclear yet
i think i read somewhere that at the U.S. current power consumption, that we have enough Thorium to have LFTR's power the country for like 100,000 years, crazy stuff
Don't get me started!! :D
...my passion of tearing into things and making something that has no right to work any more work again.
+1
leetfade
08-03-2012, 08:29 AM
Network Engineer, and I seem to be the only one.
I was earlier in my career!
Oppenheimer
08-03-2012, 11:40 AM
Network Engineer, and I seem to be the only one.
I was earlier in my career!
Me three.
spaceywilly
08-03-2012, 02:12 PM
Electrical and computer dual major, currently doing software development and working on software engineering masters
rhenry01
08-03-2012, 02:28 PM
Electrical and computer dual major, currently doing software development and working on software engineering masters
That is pretty much what I did but at Old Dominion University they called it Computer Engineering. 142 credit hour bachelor program. Three classes were specific to CpE, the rest were in EE or CS.
scatsob
08-04-2012, 05:31 PM
I am a biologist and aeronautical engineer by schooling but am a civil engineer for the NAVY currently. After a long absence I came back to this site and low and behold FF has a car that not only can I actually afford to build but is based on the Subaru drive train I have been in love with for years. I currently drive a 2008 Subaru Forester XT Sports and love it. Can't wait for this one to come out.
2006 WRB 818
08-04-2012, 06:15 PM
I am a biologist and aeronautical engineer by schooling but am a civil engineer for the NAVY currently. After a long absence I came back to this site and low and behold FF has a car that not only can I actually afford to build but is based on the Subaru drive train I have been in love with for years. I currently drive a 2008 Subaru Forester XT Sports and love it. Can't wait for this one to come out.
Awesome! Thank you for your service. Welcome to the forum!
scatsob
08-04-2012, 09:42 PM
Thanks! Great to be here. Can't wait for FF to start pumping these out.
metalmaker12
08-05-2012, 07:03 PM
Being an engineer is nothing to me, half of the smartest people I know never even went to college. I get better sound advice from most of them on building cars and even at work. I am not the type of engineer that thinks we are the best, cause were not. We are human and and sometimes very narrow minded. I was a hard working welder while going to school to finish my degree, I have worked in tight, dark, damp nasty places, that most people would not even think of doing. I respect people that work hard and build things with there hands. Another thing, just because you went to school and got the degree does not mean you can turn a wrench our build anything. In the field it is a common misconception. Glad you had the survey, but what does it really mean, not much.
wallace18
08-05-2012, 07:27 PM
Just how many engineers does it take to build a 818? LOL.
scatsob
08-05-2012, 08:41 PM
Man, tough crowd. I thought this was just a meet and greet type thing :). I will say that there are a lot of engineers I have worked with and went to school with that are good engineers but they lacked the common sense to design something that could actually be built. Catia and Sold Works are nice and all but what is the point if it can’t be built. Ask any machinist about this and they will tell you stories.
RM1SepEx
08-05-2012, 11:29 PM
Statistics apply as there are enough in the population
50% are at or below average, as per a normal curve
I wouldn't let 1/2 of the engineers that I went to college with change my oil
I feel that way about EVERY profession!
Who wants an average or below doctor?
I search for 90th percentile folks and flush the rest... It can be difficult to find a Neurologist or Dentist with this approach but is doable, it can take a while
who can't relate a useless or rip off mechanic story!
50% of the drivers on the road are at or below average too, for every accomplished race car driver there is an incompetant idiot on the other end of the capability curve!
PhyrraM
08-06-2012, 01:33 AM
Hmmm...Doctors. They're all just practicing still. I'm hoping to find one someday that actually moves beyond the practice stage- to the 'got it' stage.. Lawyers have the same problem. ;)
mattster03
08-06-2012, 10:11 AM
Mechanical Engineer. I design Grape, raspberry, Blueberry & Olive Harvesters.
OCCPete
08-06-2012, 02:06 PM
Being an engineer is nothing to me, half of the smartest people I know never even went to college. I get better sound advice from most of them on building cars and even at work. I am not the type of engineer that thinks we are the best, cause were not. We are human and and sometimes very narrow minded. I was a hard working welder while going to school to finish my degree, I have worked in tight, dark, damp nasty places, that most people would not even think of doing. I respect people that work hard and build things with there hands. Another thing, just because you went to school and got the degree does not mean you can turn a wrench our build anything. In the field it is a common misconception. Glad you had the survey, but what does it really mean, not much.
So are you considering buying a 818 kit? It was designed by engineers, you know. Just saying....
:rolleyes:
Pete
skullandbones
08-06-2012, 07:44 PM
Not an engineer:but don't be too hard on these guys. After all you are talking about a profession and work ethic, two different things. As far as statistics go, 2 standard deviations on either side of the curve is usually acceptable in many applications so I wouldn't toss out the below avg ones without some consideration (50%). What I have found in most professions mentioned is you really have to evaluate their worth based on behavior after they are out there a while (I love the customer review process).
As far as the forum, I've gotten valuble guidance from engineers and non-engineers (many times you don't know one way or the other). But I think the common thread is whatever draws the folks to build a project like this creates a commonality that crossed professions. That's what counts. Everybody brings different tools to the process. Personally I don't mind the experts chiming in except when they just beat you over the head to prove a point. I like the analogy of the dead cat. I've heard, "can't throw a rock without hitting one". Well, there are a lot of engineers around here so get used to it. Thanks, WEK.
metalmaker12
08-06-2012, 08:11 PM
LOLOLOL I love it, figured I would get some responses, BTW i graduated in the 90th percentile bull, sooooo who cares, it is not till you have worked in a real environment you learn how to be an engineer, I am still practicing, I might never get it. That doctor practicing thing was funny PhyrraM. You could be last in your class or not even go to school,, (Albert Einstein) and be great, who cares we are building a really cool car. It is designed and built by car guys that might use high tech stuff, but are true enthusiast. We might have doctors, lawers, engineers, welders, mechanics, etc etc etc, but we all have one thing in common, a desire to build this car and make it scream. I surely cant wait
el_jefe
08-06-2012, 10:25 PM
I spent 4 years as a tech doing R&D for one of the big japanese car companies, so I spent a lot of time making engineers ideas work in the real world, does that count?
Plus, I gathered data. Ye gods, did I gather data.
ScoobySnack818
08-07-2012, 06:10 AM
Mechanical Engineer here. I work in thermoplastic injection molded parts design, specifically agricultural irrigation equipment. Some of the best people i've worked with for ideas and concepts that just work have no higher education. When I graduated college there were quite a few students whom I hoped would never work on a product that I would use in daily life. That being said, there are many good apples in the bunch too.
In school I did the Formula SAE car suspension, steering, and braking systems design and fabrication. I helped weld up the chassis and was one of the initial test drivers, as well as drove the autocross event. It was a blast and I've still got the fever, hence the 818.
-JP
Oppenheimer
08-07-2012, 08:13 AM
No degree here, self taught.
flytosail
08-07-2012, 06:39 PM
Dad had 65 patents in circuit breaker design with no degree. Worked his way up from machinst to draftsman to engineer.
As for me, 74 credits of MET schooling prior to going to learn to fly airplanes. Why? Because pilots drove cooler cars then engineers.
metalmaker12
08-07-2012, 09:05 PM
Lol true pilots alway have nice cars. Got some more parts today (Act Clutch and Oem flywheel), getting engine stand/lift next week and setting up my garage for build. Gotta start on resurfacing my bbs 5x100 sti wheels to a light charcoal color from my wife's juke.
pondo
08-07-2012, 09:40 PM
What the hell, am I the only Civil Engineer here? I'm so disappointed. I guess we really are the bottom feeders of the engineering world...
QFT! haha...
Chemical Engineer here....sitting for the PE in October :cool:
Twinspool
08-07-2012, 10:18 PM
QFT! haha...
Chemical Engineer here....sitting for the PE in October :cool:
That's because Mechanical Engineers build weapons, Civil Engineers build targets.
MiniVanMan
08-08-2012, 02:15 AM
That's because Mechanical Engineers build weapons, Civil Engineers build targets.
Then us military guys find out who did their job better.
Arrowhead
08-08-2012, 08:06 AM
The FFR tech line is gonna be busy:
"Is there a specification for a frame squareness? I put a lazer to the frame and it's off by .02". I didn't find anything in the manual."
"what is correct pull force when expanding the rivets that hold the sheetmetal on?"
"why is the frame made up of square tube? Round tube is much stronger than square tube (relative to wall thickness and diameter) and the chassis could be made lighter and stronger with round tube. I'm cutting the frame apart and replacing with round tube."
RedJoker
08-08-2012, 02:02 PM
The FFR tech line is gonna be busy:
"Is there a specification for a frame squareness? I put a lazer to the frame and it's off by .02". I didn't find anything in the manual."
"what is correct pull force when expanding the rivets that hold the sheetmetal on?"
"why is the frame made up of square tube? Round tube is much stronger than square tube (relative to wall thickness and diameter) and the chassis could be made lighter and stronger with round tube. I'm cutting the frame apart and replacing with round tube."
This is great! I agree that there are a lot of smart people that can build things and don't have degrees. There are also a lot of engineers that can't build anything. Based on my experience, the difference is in the tools. I've seen a lot of smart, handy, non-degreed folks that get stumped when something needs calculated, mathematically designed, etc. (Not that they couldn't do it, they just haven't been trained.) That's when I want an engineer. Also, I've seen many engineers that get stumped when they're right there physically working on something. Just remember, there is no 'hands on' portion required to get an engineering degree and no differential equations required to pick up a wrench. They're just different tools for different tasks.
My brother always joked that if you want a weld, get a welder. If you want to design a weld, get a welding engineer.
I find that most engineers that build cars and things like that are folks that don't get to do that kind of stuff in their day job. As far as a company goes, it's far cheaper to hire an engineer to handle all the calcs and a technician to put it in practice than it is to higher two 'hands on' engineers. Therefore, they don't get to do much hands on. If a good technician can do both jobs, then you didn't really need an engineer anyway.
Just my $0.02
BipDBo
08-08-2012, 02:38 PM
The FFR tech line is gonna be busy:
"Is there a specification for a frame squareness? I put a lazer to the frame and it's off by .02". I didn't find anything in the manual."
"what is correct pull force when expanding the rivets that hold the sheetmetal on?"
"why is the frame made up of square tube? Round tube is much stronger than square tube (relative to wall thickness and diameter) and the chassis could be made lighter and stronger with round tube. I'm cutting the frame apart and replacing with round tube."
LOL. That's great.
We've already seen a lot of that on this forum.
Oppenheimer
08-08-2012, 03:46 PM
I find that most engineers that build cars and things like that are ...
...are the kinds of engineers I want to work with. Agree 100% with the 'tools for the job' you mentioned. Wrench is a tool, differential equation is a tool. I'd rather have a guy that can handle both. That is the guy that is going to build something that can be fixed. He is also the guy that is going to know how to be practical. Not every problem needs a 'perfect' solution. You have to know where to put your effort. Make the stuff that doesn't matter as much 'good enough', so you can take the time to make sure the stuff that really matters is as perfect as you can make it.
RedJoker
08-08-2012, 07:32 PM
..Not every problem needs a 'perfect' solution...
If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features. ;)
ford33
08-08-2012, 07:53 PM
Mechanical engineer working as a IT consultant. In college I belonged to the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) and we built small off-road racing vehicles in competiton with other schools. It was fun and I've been a automotive fan ever since.
HelluvaEngineer
08-08-2012, 10:04 PM
Some of our quotes.
"You have to know when to shoot the engineers and ship the product"
"Software is like a gas, it will always grow to fill ALL available memory"
bbjones121
08-09-2012, 10:03 AM
Electrical and mechanical engineer
pondo
08-09-2012, 11:01 AM
I find that most engineers that build cars and things like that are folks that don't get to do that kind of stuff in their day job. As far as a company goes, it's far cheaper to hire an engineer to handle all the calcs and a technician to put it in practice than it is to higher two 'hands on' engineers. Therefore, they don't get to do much hands on. If a good technician can do both jobs, then you didn't really need an engineer anyway.
Just my $0.02
Absolutely true. I love design work but I enjoy the hands on stuff too. Sadly, union environments severely limit what engineers can actually do. I think wrenching a track beast might satisfy my thirst and provide another challenge.
bbjones121
08-09-2012, 11:19 AM
There are a lot of "design" engineers that can not change their oil or replace a dome light. So the lack of hands on at work definitely does not always translate into hands on at home. Sadly I see that a lot.
MiniVanMan
08-09-2012, 12:35 PM
If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features. ;)
If it ain't broke, fix it till it is.
LS1RX7owen
08-09-2012, 02:09 PM
Mechanical Engineer here
drawing parts, tools and gages for making all sorts of stuff on 40+ Davenport 5-spindle automatic screw machines - cam driven, oldschool cool
and we have 4 CNC machines now too, newschool fun
I love the DIY aspect of the 818 and the FFR community.
I cant wait to get my hands on a project like this (inexpensive yet modern and even futuristic)
I would have built an Ultima GTR a decade ago if I had the money.
LS1RX7owen
08-09-2012, 02:14 PM
Mechanical Engineer. I design Grape, raspberry, Blueberry & Olive Harvesters.nice to see you here mattster03 and I certainly look forward to your work on an 818! the rx7 stuff youve done and input to that community is awesome
:)
tando
08-11-2012, 03:07 AM
Communications Electronics :-) working in ICT - but Nerds can also like great handling cars
Stickshift84
08-11-2012, 12:37 PM
Another Mechanical Engineer here. I work in construction support at GDEB. Metalmaker if you are reading this, come find me at my desk some time in the Engineering offices. You can find me by spotting the Project 818 poster on the wall.
metalmaker12
08-11-2012, 07:54 PM
I am guessing your in Groton? I was part of welding engineering, but back to the production side in dept. 902 in Quonset. I am in Groton every so often, so I will see where you are if I come through.
mekeys
08-12-2012, 10:54 AM
I was a prototype model maker from 1963 till 1997 when I retired..
Mel
wjfawb0
08-13-2012, 10:25 PM
nice buggy! link to the buggy mfg? on Ytube doesn't work... http://www.riskckraschsite.com
The link is http://www.rickskraschsite.com/
I got the moving parts working tonight. http://youtu.be/jeBUreDFdJc
Smythe
08-15-2012, 08:52 AM
I'm an electrical/mechanical engineer who currently works in Quality at a major auto company.
I mostly work with policies and quality management systems now, although I used to work in an assembly plant in quality as well as in supplier development for new model launches.
unclebigbad
08-15-2012, 10:11 AM
I am liking this thread.
Stickshift84
08-15-2012, 11:59 AM
Metalmaker, nope I am in Quonset. I sit near the Welding Engineering folks. Off this week but I will be back next week.
rjh2pd
08-19-2012, 10:38 PM
I'm a junior in college for mechanical engineering, and am really considering doing this once i get out. Seems like it will be a great car. BTW got interested in this because I love my legacy and love working on it.
Mechie3
08-20-2012, 07:30 AM
Im glad im not at a union place. I have free access to the labs, offices, and machine shop. Some of my friends work at union places and tell me dumb things like they're able to go to the shop but must have a union shop worker carry a component to a bench for them to inspect. If they move it themselves its a big no no. I just laugh while im making personal parts on the cnc at my work. :)
Not_Hans_Stuck
08-20-2012, 07:44 AM
EE working as a network engineer for the Army.
Long time lurker. I'll be building either a '33 or an 818 after I finish my LS-1 911 Project. See that here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/649179-rsr-ls-conversion.html#post6476858
Hal
Oppenheimer
08-20-2012, 01:45 PM
Im glad im not at a union place. I have free access to the labs, offices, and machine shop. Some of my friends work at union places and tell me dumb things like they're able to go to the shop but must have a union shop worker carry a component to a bench for them to inspect. If they move it themselves its a big no no. I just laugh while im making personal parts on the cnc at my work. :)
My Dad was an ME and worked in a union shop. He told the story of a co-worker that out of frustration due to delays was hand carrying a part himself to another area. The part was in a shoebox. A union guy approached and slyly asked what was in the box, expecting to hear it was a part and being able to raise a big fuss over it. The engineer replied it was a rabbit. 'A rabbit?' the union guy asks all confused. Just when the union guy was about to open it the ME scratches the bottom of the box with his fingernail, which I guess sounded enough like a real rabbit that it convinced the union guy.
Mechie3
08-20-2012, 03:00 PM
Hahaha! That's awesome.
pondo
08-20-2012, 03:34 PM
Im glad im not at a union place. I have free access to the labs, offices, and machine shop. Some of my friends work at union places and tell me dumb things like they're able to go to the shop but must have a union shop worker carry a component to a bench for them to inspect. If they move it themselves its a big no no. I just laugh while im making personal parts on the cnc at my work. :)
My unionized chemical plant is ridiculous. No accountability what-so-ever. You can do anything and not get fired if you're an operator...I have to calibrate instruments with a lookout just so I don't get busted and some guy on call gets 12 hrs of overtime. I've had 5 grievances filed on me in 2 years lol. Luckily operations will stick up for the engineers 99% of the time!
metalmaker12
08-20-2012, 10:10 PM
cool i will meet you at some point