818 Donor Kits; Donor Beta Program Open To Participants

[AJW Performance]

Hello everyone!
Wanted to offer this on the forums for future 818 owners. We are running a beta donor kit program, of up to 10 participants. Let me know if you have any questions!


Donor Beta Program


When: Applications and deposits will be accepted immediately and remain open until our beta count is full, or until the end of July 2012. We will be accepting 10-12 beta participants based on demand.

Name WRX or N/A Impreza Donor Stage Type

1. Matthew Kohler /WRX/ Stage 3

2. Derek Ferguson /WRX/ TBD

3. Ethan Huwe / WRX/ Stage 2 or 3

4. "Silvertop" / N/A / TBD

5. Tim Hazelwood /WRX / TBD

6. Fred Struve / WRX/ Stage 2 or 3

7. Factory Five Racing /WRX/ TBD

8. Craig Gill/WRX/Stage 3

9. Joshua Riaille/ WRX/ Stage 1

10.

Note* You do not have to choose which staged package you may want until you pick your donor when we release them (you can decide once you choose your donor and make a decision on what route you want to take with it). If you have trouble deciding let us know your needs and we will be happy to help.

Time frames:

We will be closing the beta program for additional participants July 31 2012.



July 31 Update- The beta donor kit program will remain open to new and additional participants past July 31 (today) until the list is filled. Any questions or concerns; let us know! Shipping of the kits is still on target for October. Thanks, Andrew

September 21 Update- As we expect donor spot number 10 to be filled over the next 48 hours or so we have almost reached our goal of 10 participants for the donor beta kit run. This means that we now can move to the next step of finalizing incoming donors, and preparing them for all participants. Due to the time frame it took for the donor program to fill up, we will officially be releasing the kits for your choosing by November 15 2012, as opposed to the recent goal of mid October. This is because of the amount of time it took for us to reach 10 participants, and also because we will be at SEMA for a week in October, so that also pushes things back as well. Thanks, Andrew

Beta donor options will be exposed for participants to choose their donor about 2-4 weeks prior to them shipping



Some of what is included:

818 Donors is to provide everything needed (hardware related, not labor) in the beta donor kit that the customer needs to “plug and play” into a Factory Five 818 kit car.

http://818donors.com/what-is-included/

* Subject to change as 818 enters production*

Purpose: The purpose of this beta project is to allow us to do a small quantity production run of our donor kits in order to assess our business model and means of production /assembly. In exchange the beta participants will be able to get a head start on their future 818 by having a 818donors made kit ready for plug and play installation, as well as a discount on the purchase.

How it works: Prior to the finalizing and shipping of the donors (Date TBD) we will present the beta team with 10 to 15 donor packages to choose from. The available 10-15 donors will be claimed by the beta team members in which the order that their order/deposit was received. Simply meaning; beta team member #1 on the list will have first choice to choose the donor package they want to use for their 818 platform, etc. After the donor platforms are chosen we then will modify according to your needs by implementing any of our staged donor packages (7 to choose from in total) such as Stage 1, 2, or 3; as well as the “Go Green” N/A kit, the Base Donor Economy Kit (WRX), the “Make Your Own” kit, or the “We Design” kit.

The appropriate modifications will then be made to the donor you end up claiming as your own, and they will ship to their new homes once they are finished.

Pricing: The exact pricing will vary slightly based on what staged kit (of the 7 ) you choose, as well as what donor you choose. Below is some information in regards to variations in pricing on a unit to unit basis:

Why do the donor kits not have standardized pricing?

Just like all used cars sell for different prices, our 818 donor packages sell for different prices as well. There are many different factors which contribute to price fluctuations with our kits. You are basically buying a car from us, but one that is modified to a specific purpose of meeting your goals and bolting right up to a FFR 818 chassis.

Like buying a used car, prices are different based on certain conditions (see below). Because of this we are unable to offer a standardized set of prices to our customers:



Mileage of donor- key factor to determine pricing; just like buying a car

Condition of donor- how much work did we need to do to it?

Initial cost of goods to be sold- prices vary based on who is selling them

Labor involved with producing the donor for you

Demand and market values



Deposit Amount: The deposit amount is $5,000.00 USD for this short production beta run. remaining balance due when donors are ready to ship.

For the N/A “Go Green” kit this is about 80% to 100% of the total cost associated with this donor project. The remaining balance is to be paid when the donor is complete and ready for shipment.

For the WRX donor participants pricing will vary based on what kit is chosen, and what donor you choose (year and mileage of donor contribute to price differences). The anticipated estimated range is from $6,000.00 – $8,000.00+ for WRX donor platforms based on what donor you choose, and what staged kit you want. We will not have exact pricing until the donors are sourced and prepped for beta team release. From that point on once you choose your donor you have complete control over pricing depending on what route you decide to take, we will work with you every step of the way. The staged packages will also be discounted.

We will have a diverse group of beta team members, as well as a diverse group of donors to choose from so we are confident that you will have access to the right donor to meet your needs. We will publicly announce the donor choices for participants to choose their donors

Note* You do not have to choose which staged package you may want until you pick your donor when we release them.

Payment Methods:

Paypal (wallaceaj@comcast.net)

Certified Bank Check

Credit Card

Shipping:

These will be shipping via freight on wrapped pallets


Questions you may be asking yourself:

How does 818donors know what to include in the donor kits when the 818 is not even in production yet?

We work very closely with Factory Five and follow the 818 every step of the way as it gets closer and closer to production. We are very fortunate to have this opportunity and relationship with them in the development of the 818, and in return allow us the ability to offer this service for you, especially this early on.

What happens if Factory Five makes a last minute change and a certain part becomes needed that I did not get with my 818donors beta kit?

If this discovery is made, you will have any last minute parts mailed to you free of charge.

When will the beta donors be shipping?

We are aiming for September-October 2012 ship all beta donor kits.

Will the beta donor kits be covered under warranty like the “production” kits will be?

Yes, this first run will be fully covered by our warranty, with full customer and technical support from a 818donors representative.



What else is expected of me?

Feedback is the most important aspect of this run. You will be asked to submit a document consisting on 818donors questions, but also a place to submit any journal entries or walkthroughs which were created as you build your 818.





We look forward to working with you on your build. Please do not hesitate to ask any additional questions!

Click on the wording below to fill out an order form, then email it to us; info@818donors.com

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/818addnew_zps21b11e2f.jpg

[AJW Performance]

About us:

http://818donors.com/about-us/

Our History: We have been involved in the Subaru community for almost a decade now specializing in performance and high quality race/ street car builds. Building cars is in our blood, and Subaru is our DNA. When you purchase a donor kit or turn key 818 from us you are not only purchasing the product which is a result of our 10 years of experience, but 24 hour customer support and expertise as well. Our staff members are qualified and experienced in the industry and capable of walking you through or answering any inquiry you may have. We are happy to help!

Our experience: Our experience in the field has enabled us to offer the best products and methods of service possible for your 818 application due to years of expertise in Subaru service, racing, personal interests, trial and error, and testing of products that work; staying away from the ones that don’t.

Benefits: What are the benefits to going with an 818 donor kit from us?
The answer is: Getting a quality donor that works; peace of mind!

Quality Tested Donor Kits: Getting a quality donor kit that works is what will determine whether you can complete your 818 kit successfully the first time around; keeping it fun and stress free, properly built, and affordable. All of our vehicles go through a meticulous inspection process and are fully tested before being released to our customers. When you open up a donor kit from 818parts you are guaranteed a healthy, 100% functioning platform to work with, and this eliminates any of the guess work or uncertainty associated with purchasing a wrecked Subaru from an auto salvage or private party to use as your donor.

Replacements: If something needs to be replaced, it is done so prior to being put up for sale, this includes engine components, transmission, and all associated electrical and structural hardware. Additional replacement parts are also available from our performance shop in our online store for upgrades and customization. All donors are tested from engine compression and leak down tests, to receiving new hardware and bushings if needed!

What You Get: What is received is what is needed, save the scrapping and waste to us. When you order a kit from us you get exactly what you need, down to the last nut and bolt. The joy for most of us with getting a kit car is the process of building it, then driving it. The messy and frustrating donor aspect of stripping the needed parts and discarding the ones you do not need is now eliminated. No more snapped nuts and bolts, or seized turbo studs, no more disappointments with getting used components that do not fit or run correctly, we do all that for you. We even eliminate the occurrence of messy used oil spills by discarding all the waste fluids for you. Many kit car builders build their kits in their home garage, where space is limited and time is limited. A wrecked Subaru donor takes up a lot of time to disassemble and space; the shell, doors, bumpers, sub frames and hood are bulky and time consuming to take apart and try to sell or properly recycle/throw away. The bulky donor can take up valuable garage space which is crucial for building your kit, not to mention these parts have the potential to gather dust in the corner of your garage or shed for eternity.

Go Green: We help YOU Go Green. 818kits is a “Go Green” operation and we eliminate any contaminated/ environmentally hazardous aspects of building your 818 out of the equation for you. We properly dispose of all your used fluids which a donor comes with including; engine oil, gear and differential fluid, coolant, power steering fluid, and more (you receive new fluids for free with our Stage 1 and up Kits)! We also recycle all the unnecessary damaged body panels which often come off of a donor car which are irrelevant to the 818, including the shell and uni body which is bulky and hard to dispose of when not able to roll around freely in your garage once taken apart. Even old rusty and seized sub frames and hardware (which love to rust out on Subaru) get brought to the proper place! The only thing left is the satisfaction on our faces for taking the proper measures in disposing hazardous waste and scrap metal, not to mention the time and hassle we saved you, by not having to disassemble a donor car.

[AJW Performance]

Donors are starting to roll in this week:

Both totaled, some pics of their good side, the blue one was a roll over.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/donor2.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/donor1.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/newdonor7.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/donor3.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-3099-1343236547332.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/06wrxdonor.jpg

[Mechie3]

We want to see some carnage! :lol:

[AJW Performance]

Ill get the ugly pics posted up then :)

[AJW Performance]

spot 3 pending:cool:

[AJW Performance]

Thank you Ethan Huwe for signing on board!

[flynntuna]

Will you be featuring donors only from the 2002-2007 wrx, and Impreza, or will you have drivetrains from compatiable donors (pre 2002 Imprezas, foresters,ect.

[Zodiac]

I was also curious as to what the price range would be for the different stages 1,2, and 3. or even base without engine?

[AJW Performance]

another donor in route here;
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/donor3.jpg

[AJW Performance]

I was also curious as to what the price range would be for the different stages 1,2, and 3. or even base without engine?


The base donor package does come with an engine, it just does not have any performance orientated extras.
The stage 1 kit will be from 500.00+ than the base kit.

We do not plan on using pre 2002 platforms, unless we needed to.

[AJW Performance]

our first N/a just arrived today, a 2004 Impreza Outback Sport

[Silvertop]

our first N/a just arrived today, a 2004 Impreza Outback Sport

Heart, be still!! Now, THAT is a temptation.........................

[AJW Performance]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-3099-1343236547332.jpg

[AJW Performance]

"Silvertop" signed on board, our first N/A beta donor kit participant!

[Silvertop]

"Silvertop" signed on board, our first N/A beta donor kit participant!

Yup. The photo you provided in post #14 was a master stroke in "setting the hook". Couldn't resist!

[AJW Performance]

Thanks again, looking forward to working with you

[skullandbones]

It sounded too good to be true but I think you guys at AJW are taking the concept of donor pallet to a completely different level. Good luck, WEK.

[masterinput]

I would love a spot. PM me with details?

Greg
LPRPCA.org

[AJW Performance]

It sounded too good to be true but I think you guys at AJW are taking the concept of donor pallet to a completely different level. Good luck, WEK.

Thank you sir!

[AJW Performance]

I would love a spot. PM me with details?

Greg
LPRPCA.org

PM sent

[RM1SepEx]

One concern on the site has been the superflous wiring in a WRX. Any plans on doing either a stand alone wiring harness or a harness modification program?

[skullandbones]

AJW,

I know this is probably too early in the game to predict what you could do but I along with some others are waiting for a different version of the 818 so the build can not practically fit into this beta program. Have you had any input about this and have you had time to consider something that would perhaps mimic this one: sort of like a second beta program for the different (coupe or targa) version? Just thinking ahead. Thanks for your thoughts on this in advace, WEK.

[PhyrraM]

I'm not sure the average WRX has that much extra stuff. For the first two years ('02-'03) WRXs were pretty basic. Later years (and STIs) added options (sunroof, heated seats, etc), but not sure what the take rates were.

Power windows, door locks and HVAC are about the only things to drop. Of course there is the ABS debate. But the weight saved from those is minimal (maybe 5 pounds or less for the wiring)

Other items on the 'maybe' list might include the radio, domelight, foglights, power mirrors?

[AJW Performance]

The wiring in our donors will be cleaned up and labeled properly.
Stand alones will be offered for those who could benefit from it, but will not be standard of course

[AJW Performance]

Thanks to Tim Hazelwood for signing on board this afternoon!

[flynntuna]

AJW,

How will the donor pallets be shipped? Will there be coordination with Stewart Transport to reduce trucking fees?

[scatsob]

This might be a stupid question, but are all the parts cleaned before shipping? Also, what would be the cost of a stock 2007 WRX donor? Thanks.

[AJW Performance]

AJW,

How will the donor pallets be shipped? Will there be coordination with Stewart Transport to reduce trucking fees?

They will be shipped freight secured on pallets. Stewart can be an option for sure.

[AJW Performance]

This might be a stupid question, but are all the parts cleaned before shipping? Also, what would be the cost of a stock 2007 WRX donor? Thanks.


Hello, good question actually. YES items are tested and cleaned prior to being considered part of your kit.
Here are some links explaining how our program works, let us know if you have any more questions!

Pricing
http://818donors.com/warranty-faq/

http://818donors.com/donor-beta-program/

[Oppenheimer]

Since you guys are so close to FFR, maybe you could come up with a shipping program where kit and pallet shipped together? (as an option, not everyone using AJW would want to do it that way, but likely many would)

[AJW Performance]

Good idea, it has come up before. FFR and us decided although at first glance it sounds like a good idea, for business purposes it is best to keep them separate. I appreciate the suggestion though!

[AJW Performance]

This will remain open until we hit 10.
thanks everyone!

[timmy318]

You guys posted a pic of an engine build earlier.... It was Tom's or someone like that I think. You said something about colored silicon components, paint etc.... My engine arrives tomorrow and then we'll be shipping it straight to you, how much would any of that stuff cost by chance?

[AJW Performance]

I can put together some options for you.
Silicone hose kits such as;
turbo inlet
afta maf
intercooler
axillary
etc...
Affordable way to dress up your engine bay, and also replace components with more durable silicone ones.

[AJW Performance]

06 WRX arriving today

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/06wrxdonor.jpg

[timmy318]

Great news, engine just arrived! :D

[AJW Performance]

awesome!
Waiting on a shipping quote as we speak.

[GTLee77]

I may be mistaken but I don't see wheels and tires on the list of included parts in your web-site. That's definitely something we will need. Are wheels and tires included in the donor kits? Thanks.

[timmy318]

Yea, are they included in the overall kit?

[AJW Performance]

I may be mistaken but I don't see wheels and tires on the list of included parts in your web-site. That's definitely something we will need. Are wheels and tires included in the donor kits? Thanks.

Although the wheels and tires will fit on the 818, in our opinion their only asset will be to roll it around your garage while you build it. As far as being wide enough for an 818, its very far off.
Another factor is MANY, if not most totaled cars have damaged wheels. It doesn't make sense for us to source new replacement wheels (raising the price of our donor kits), for these donors since they are not a long term solution for the 818 to begin with (in our opinion).

When we close out on the beta donor kit program, and have listings for each available donor (for participants to choose from) we will note which ones have intact wheels and which ones do not. For the beta run ONLY participants will have the choice on whether or not they want the wheels that came with the car. It will be no charge either way, with the exception of shipping them to you.

In the future maybe FFR will offer wheel upgrades, and if not there are many budget minded Subaru focused wheels on the market today; Rota, XXR, etc... we off all of them.

[timmy318]

Well that clears it up, thanks!!! Also, how much do you think it would take for you guys to dress up the engine, btw, we're leaning towards the Stage 1 kit. THanks again for this option!!

[Silvertop]

Although the wheels and tires will fit on the 818, in our opinion their only asset will be to roll it around your garage while you build it. As far as being wide enough for an 818, its very far off.
Another factor is MANY, if not most totaled cars have damaged wheels. It doesn't make sense for us to source new replacement wheels (raising the price of our donor kits), for these donors since they are not a long term solution for the 818 to begin with (in our opinion). .......



I must believe that your statement is generally true. And my main reason for wanting the stock wheels IS largely just for having something to roll the car around in the garage during the build.

But I've been doing a little bit of research -- And the stock 16 X 6.5" rims that will be on most donors appear to be capable of accepting tires up from 205mm to 225mm width without a problem. And a 225-50 Series tire will have precisely the same diameter and revolutions per mile as the stock 205-55's. So -- assuming different wheel offsets than stock are not needed for the car -- and if a budget-minded builder isn't planning on getting too wild in the power department, it seems to me that using the stock wheels may actually BE a viable option. 225-50's ought to provide plenty of adhesion, particularly on a car this light.

Andrew, are all four wheels intact on the NA Outback Sport that is likely to be the source of my beta donor pallet?

[AJW Performance]

I must believe that your statement is generally true. And my main reason for wanting the stock wheels IS largely just for having something to roll the car around in the garage during the build.

But I've been doing a little bit of research -- And the stock 16 X 6.5" rims that will be on most donors appear to be capable of accepting tires up from 205mm to 225mm width without a problem. And a 225-50 Series tire will have precisely the same diameter and revolutions per minute as the stock 205-55's. So -- assuming different wheel offsets than stock are not needed for the car -- and if a budget-minded builder isn't planning on getting too wild in the power department, it seems to me that using the stock wheels may actually BE a viable option. 225-50's ought to provide plenty of adhesion, particularly on a car this light.

Andrew, are all four wheels intact on the NA Outback Sport that is likely to be the source of my beta donor pallet?

Silvertop, I agree with you for sure. I guess we can see what the demand is. Honestly from a business perspective it really does not make much of a difference to us, so we will let the people choose!
Yes, your potential N/A DOES have wheels, in fact they are WRX wheels! :)

[Silvertop]

Silvertop, I agree with you for sure. I guess we can see what the demand is. Honestly from a business perspective it really does not make much of a difference to us, so we will let the people choose!
Yes, your potential N/A DOES have wheels, in fact they are WRX wheels! :)

Perfect! And nice looking wheels at that, if the picture in Post 14 of this thread is any indicator. They appear to be very similar in design to the American Racing brand "Estrella" wheels that I have mounted on my Nissan Sentra.

[AJW Performance]

Another donor in route; 07 WRX 66,000 miles
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/newdonor7.jpg

[timmy318]

Any possibility that's mine????

[flynntuna]

geez where are you finding these cars, here in CA it seems that all the wrecked subies have front end damage. Maybe its how these guys here in CA drive lol.

[David Hodgkins]

geez where are you finding these cars, here in CA it seems that all the wrecked subies have front end damage. Maybe its how these guys here in CA drive lol.

Ya know, I was thinkin' the same thing! Waiting for further wookie compatability testing before pulling the trigger. I sat in the chassis at the open house and... we'll leave it at that.

:)

[AJW Performance]

Could be!


Any possibility that's mine????

[AJW Performance]

We constantly are searching, we never sleep! ;)



geez where are you finding these cars, here in CA it seems that all the wrecked subies have front end damage. Maybe its how these guys here in CA drive lol.

[AJW Performance]

Whats new?

http://818donors.com/general/818-donors-expansion-aug-2012/

[timmy318]

Is the kit going to include the ac? Because where we live, a car without ac isn't pretty thing.

[Xusia]

I suspect that depends on your donor. FFR may offer some kind of AC add on at additional cost, but your surest bet is to buy a donor with AC and adapt it.

[RCKSTR]

Is the kit going to include the ac? Because where we live, a car without ac isn't pretty thing.

AC with a open roadster?? thats an interesting concept

[timmy318]

Well, if ffr offers a a top then I'll buy it. If not, them I'm gonna custom build one to kit the street model.

[PhyrraM]

I run the A/C all the time with the windows open. If it was an option, I don't see why you wouldn't run it with the top down. The cool breeze can make all the difference on a sunny day.

[rjh2pd]

AC with a open roadster?? thats an interesting concept
the s2000, mustang and im sure pretty much every convertible has it. It feels really good to have the air/heat on with the top down

[Xusia]

FFR has already stated a top will be offered at launch. I've owned convertibles without AC and wished I had it. I plan to put AC in my 818. Others are free to do as they want... :)

[AJW Performance]

Intact Subaru A/C components are included , but included as an optional component. For the Beta run at least it will be the one part of the kit that you yourself will have to modify to make work. As of now we project most will not use it, but if/when that changes we will modify it accordingly for you. That is simply one of the aspects we would have to wait on to see; what FFR offers, what is needed to make the OEM donor system work, etc...

[AJW Performance]

This mornings donor getting ready for cleaning, testing and further processing

Before:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/rack2-1.jpg

Will take a after picture when its all done!
After:

[txjeepn]

the s2000, mustang and im sure pretty much every convertible has it. It feels really good to have the air/heat on with the top down

I agree sometimes I do switch on the AC on both my S2000 and MX-5 when it gets realty hot out.

[AJW Performance]

http://818donors.com/beta-turnkey-program/

[scuba doc]

11680
Another donor in route; 07 WRX 66,000 miles
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/newdonor7.jpg

This car is for sale on Friday the 7th

http://www.copart.com/c2/homeSearch.html?_eventId=getLot&execution=e1s1&lotId=19458492&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS

[07FIREBLADE]

Was also wondering if they got their donors from copart. Seems like AJW might up the bid for people who were deciding on getting their own donor through copart. I was also looking at the current black wrx which is enroute already. I think people on the forum should tell one another if they are planning on getting their particular donor off of copart so we all don't up sell each for no reason.

[AJW Performance]

We get our cars from private sales, physical auctions, word of mouth, online methods like copart, and others.
Saying we might up the bid for people is no different than anyone else bidding. It is an auction, so people will bid. We have the right to buy a car, just like you do. Items, whether they are cars or not have different values to different people, and the amount the individual bids reflects that.
We are here to compliment the 818, not terrorize it raise all the prices ;)
Thanks
Andrew

[RM1SepEx]

We get our cars from private sales, physical auctions, word of mouth, online methods like copart, and others.
Saying we might up the bid for people is no different than anyone else bidding. It is an auction, so people will bid. We have the right to buy a car, just like you do. Items, whether they are cars or not have different values to different people, and the amount the individual bids reflects that.
We are here to compliment the 818, not terrorize it raise all the prices ;)
Thanks
Andrew

well said

I mentioned this point early when people asked why I bought my Copart car so early... as demand goes up we can expect more people to bid on a car looking to make it a donor... just a fact of life. You need to evaluate the car as best you can and put a price on it and stick to that bid... sooner or later you will win the auction. I didn't expect to win mine so early and only one other person bid on the car when I did. I exceeded his "value" put on the car, so he stopped bidding.

I fully expect that AJW has a detailed business plan that allots some working capital in donors, they will fill that in some sort of balance NA vs turbo and seek out "bargains" in their eyes... That is how they make a profit! Isn't capitalism great!

I had the time and place to deconstruct my own, many prefer a palletized kit. AJW even gives a warrantee! What a great business plan IMHO. I expect that more establishments will get into that business as well. ust look on Ebay for GTM kits...

[RCKSTR]

Demands for these wrecked cars have always been high lol, people have been swapping them into the gc chassis and others alike for over 10 years :p

[timmy318]

Couple of quick questions:

1) When will the kit arrive(within which month will be fine because we're looking for a storage locker to store the gear until we actually start the build)?

2) Will your kit come with power windows or is that another thing like the ac system & wheels/tires?

[Xusia]

1. The kit is EXPECTED to debut at the SEMA show, which takes place October 30 - November 2, 2012. No promises have been made. Kits are expected to begin shipping either late 2012 or early 2013 if memory serves.

2. Initially it will be offered in only 2 variants - the track version and the street roadster - and with limited options. Roll up windows will NOT be offered at launch, but FFR has stated they will be available later. How much later, we don't know. We also don't know if they will be offered for the roadster version at all (it may be a coupe only option for all we know at this point). Since there are no immediate plans for windows, there is no way to know if the Subaru power window system will work at all.

Finally, as I just alluded to, there will be other body styles/variants offered at some future point. These include a coupe (most of us are hoping this is a targa) and a high MPG setup (probably a coupe body style but using a different engine).

Bottom line is anything beyond the track version and street roadster - both with limited options - is speculation at this point (either WHEN it will be offered, or in some cases IF it will be offered).

I hope this helps.

[AJW Performance]

Timmy,
1) We are aiming to ship the kits in October

2) Power windows are not used for the 818, at least not from the donor.


Couple of quick questions:

1) When will the kit arrive(within which month will be fine because we're looking for a storage locker to store the gear until we actually start the build)?

2) Will your kit come with power windows or is that another thing like the ac system & wheels/tires?

[timmy318]

1. The kit is EXPECTED to debut at the SEMA show, which takes place October 30 - November 2, 2012. No promises have been made. Kits are expected to begin shipping either late 2012 or early 2013 if memory serves.

2. Initially it will be offered in only 2 variants - the track version and the street roadster - and with limited options. Roll up windows will NOT be offered at launch, but FFR has stated they will be available later. How much later, we don't know. We also don't know if they will be offered for the roadster version at all (it may be a coupe only option for all we know at this point). Since there are no immediate plans for windows, there is no way to know if the Subaru power window system will work at all.

Finally, as I just alluded to, there will be other body styles/variants offered at some future point. These include a coupe (most of us are hoping this is a targa) and a high MPG setup (probably a coupe body style but using a different engine).

Bottom line is anything beyond the track version and street roadster - both with limited options - is speculation at this point (either WHEN it will be offered, or in some cases IF it will be offered).

I hope this helps.

I knew the info about the FFR kit but what I was asking was directed towards AWJ Performances kit. My dad and I placed a order for one of there beta run kits and I was just wondering if it was possible to receive the power windows from the donor car minus the windows which most likely will not fit the 818, then hopefully get some glass that will fit without to much cutting :p

[Xusia]

Doh!

[AJW Performance]

Doh!

No problem, thanks for the input and clarification!

[Silvertop]

Based on your October shipping target, when is the best time to call to discuss additional options -- cam installs, possible ECU tunes, etc, to go with my beta donor kit?

[timmy318]

^agreed^

[flynntuna]

About us:

http://818donors.com/about-us/

Our History: We have been involved in the Subaru community for almost a decade now specializing in performance and high quality race/ street car builds. Building cars is in our blood, and Subaru is our DNA. When you purchase a donor kit or turn key 818 from us you are not only purchasing the product which is a result of our 10 years of experience, but 24 hour customer support and expertise as well. Our staff members are qualified and experienced in the industry and capable of walking you through or answering any inquiry you may have. We are happy to help!

Our experience: Our experience in the field has enabled us to offer the best products and methods of service possible for your 818 application due to years of expertise in Subaru service, racing, personal interests, trial and error, and testing of products that work; staying away from the ones that don’t.

Benefits: What are the benefits to going with an 818 donor kit from us?
The answer is: Getting a quality donor that works; peace of mind!

Quality Tested Donor Kits: Getting a quality donor kit that works is what will determine whether you can complete your 818 kit successfully the first time around; keeping it fun and stress free, properly built, and affordable. All of our vehicles go through a meticulous inspection process and are fully tested before being released to our customers. When you open up a donor kit from 818parts you are guaranteed a healthy, 100% functioning platform to work with, and this eliminates any of the guess work or uncertainty associated with purchasing a wrecked Subaru from an auto salvage or private party to use as your donor.

Replacements: If something needs to be replaced, it is done so prior to being put up for sale, this includes engine components, transmission, and all associated electrical and structural hardware. Additional replacement parts are also available from our performance shop in our online store for upgrades and customization. All donors are tested from engine compression and leak down tests, to receiving new hardware and bushings if needed!

What You Get: What is received is what is needed, save the scrapping and waste to us. When you order a kit from us you get exactly what you need, down to the last nut and bolt. The joy for most of us with getting a kit car is the process of building it, then driving it. The messy and frustrating donor aspect of stripping the needed parts and discarding the ones you do not need is now eliminated. No more snapped nuts and bolts, or seized turbo studs, no more disappointments with getting used components that do not fit or run correctly, we do all that for you. We even eliminate the occurrence of messy used oil spills by discarding all the waste fluids for you. Many kit car builders build their kits in their home garage, where space is limited and time is limited. A wrecked Subaru donor takes up a lot of time to disassemble and space; the shell, doors, bumpers, sub frames and hood are bulky and time consuming to take apart and try to sell or properly recycle/throw away. The bulky donor can take up valuable garage space which is crucial for building your kit, not to mention these parts have the potential to gather dust in the corner of your garage or shed for eternity.

Go Green: We help YOU Go Green. 818kits is a “Go Green” operation and we eliminate any contaminated/ environmentally hazardous aspects of building your 818 out of the equation for you. We properly dispose of all your used fluids which a donor comes with including; engine oil, gear and differential fluid, coolant, power steering fluid, and more (you receive new fluids for free with our Stage 1 and up Kits)! We also recycle all the unnecessary damaged body panels which often come off of a donor car which are irrelevant to the 818, including the shell and uni body which is bulky and hard to dispose of when not able to roll around freely in your garage once taken apart. Even old rusty and seized sub frames and hardware (which love to rust out on Subaru) get brought to the proper place! The only thing left is the satisfaction on our faces for taking the proper measures in disposing hazardous waste and scrap metal, not to mention the time and hassle we saved you, by not having to disassemble a donor car.

Subaru's are known for head gasket problems, will your service include replacement as part of the package, or will it be an upgrade option?

[scatsob]

The only Subarus that I have heard of having head gasket problems are the 1990's NA 2.5L motors.

[metalmaker12]

The only Subarus that I have heard of having head gasket problems are the 1990's NA 2.5L motors.

I agree the wrx engines do not have common head gasket issues at all. I had one run perfectly with over 200,000k on it. Even when it was pushed it never blew a head gasket or really have any other major issues.

[RM1SepEx]

Actually I shopped for a used Subaru for my son... several Subaru places did EVERY 100,000 mile 2.5 motor's head gasket before selling as a used car with a warrantee... so the 2.5's do have some history... and these were 2000+ models

[305mouse]

Early Forester's, SF (1998-2002) and SG5 (2003-2005) had HG problens with the NA motors. For the SG5 it was more so 2003 and early 04's.

[rjh2pd]

the early 2000 ej257 s had headgasket problems as well

[AJW Performance]

We have of course seen HG go bad in the past, but have never really pin pointed it to a specific year.
If the HG needs replacing, it for sure gets replaced prior to being sold through us. If a customer would like to have them replaced regardless of whether they test out positive or not, that is something that can be done within the maintenance package.

[PhyrraM]

From my experiences the only motors to have HG problems - from Subaru - on stock motors are the '96-'99 normally aspirated 2.5 liter DOHC motors. Subaru has upgraded the gasket and superceded the part number. It went from a composite gasket and is now a MLS gasket. If fixed correctly the problem does not return.

Many Subaru head gaskets are replaced improperly and don't last long - propogating the weak head gasket myth.

You MUST completely clean both surfaces and check both surfaces for flatness. Anything not in tolerance must be fixed or the gasket won't hold long. You would be suprised by how many shops don't do a really good cleaning and/or don't check the flatness AT ALL. Most (admittedly non-Subaru) shop just change the gasket and go. Subaru based shops, like AJW, know this so your usually good at a specialist.

In addition, if you are changing from a factory composite head gasket to a MLS type of gasket - both surfaces must be check for the proper surface finish. MLS gaskets require a finer/smoother finish than before.

[AJW Performance]

Funny you say that because many we have replaced have been replaced before prior by other businesses.
I have not seen any come back our way that we have done, or that have been done at a Subaru dealership; at least in our area they know what they are doing.
As PhyrraM suggests, I would not recommend bringing one to just "any shop".

[timmy318]

Anything going on today?

[JRL]

Sure - the middle east is aflame and the weather here is perfect :)

[timmy318]

Sure - the middle east is aflame and the weather here is perfect :)

Pretty good summary I guess :p, buttttt..... I was actually talking about the 818donors warehouse they got ;)

[AJW Performance]

September News

As we expect donor spot number 10 to be filled over the next 48 hours or so we have almost reached our goal of 10 participants for the donor beta kit run. This means that we now can move to the next step of finalizing incoming donors, and preparing them for all participants. Due to the timeframe it took for the donor program to fill up, we will officially be releasing the kits for your choosing by November 15 2012, as opposed to the recent goal of mid October. This is because of the amount of time it took for us to reach 10 participants, and also because we will be at SEMA for a week in October, so that also pushes things back as well.

We will have plenty of Factory Five 818 pictures and details for you all upon our return, and will make sure to put them on the site and in a news letter. Choosing your donor kits in November will still give you 2-3 months of down time prior to the 818 hitting production, so everyone should still be within their goals for personal timeframes. Any questions let us know!

Quick shot of this week’s donors that are awaiting processing on the shelves. After the dismantling occurs (we have done 6 thus far), they are put into inventory (as pictured below) then gone back for further TLC once it is their turn for processing. Processing includes further prepping for the donor kit; cleaning, testing, and replacing parts.

We will be doing step one and two (dismantle and put into inventory as a raw donor) to all 10 before we move forward and put them into processing.



http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-16183-1348152630260_zps46a3ed72.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/th_photobucket-13601-1348161887947_zpsdd5628f1.jpg (http://s167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/?action=view&current=photobucket-13601-1348161887947_zpsdd5628f1.mp4)



Thank you,

Andrew Wallace

www.818donors.com

www.ajwperformance.com

[RM1SepEx]

From my experiences the only motors to have HG problems - from Subaru - on stock motors are the '96-'99 normally aspirated 2.5 liter DOHC motors. Subaru has upgraded the gasket and superceded the part number. It went from a composite gasket and is now a MLS gasket. If fixed correctly the problem does not return.

Many Subaru head gaskets are replaced improperly and don't last long - propogating the weak head gasket myth.

You MUST completely clean both surfaces and check both surfaces for flatness. Anything not in tolerance must be fixed or the gasket won't hold long. You would be suprised by how many shops don't do a really good cleaning and/or don't check the flatness AT ALL. Most (admittedly non-Subaru) shop just change the gasket and go. Subaru based shops, like AJW, know this so your usually good at a specialist.

In addition, if you are changing from a factory composite head gasket to a MLS type of gasket - both surfaces must be check for the proper surface finish. MLS gaskets require a finer/smoother finish than before.

Anyone who doesn't check both surfaces for flatness and surface finish req for the gasket material with ANY motor is a hack... Aluminum motors are more suseptable to problems as the material isn't as forgiving to heat stress as cast iron.

[AJW Performance]

agreed!

[AJW Performance]

some tear down this morning:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/teardown.jpg

[AJW Performance]

Starting another busy week here at the AJW Performance/818donors.com headquarters!

More cars en route, maintenance packages being setup for processed donors and more. Stay tuned

[timmy318]

That's awesome news!!!

[AJW Performance]

Some new valve cover gaskets today on this donor

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-2338-1349382280108.jpg

[AJW Performance]

Last of the donors for the beta donor program are arriving over the next week or so;

Some 06-07's en route;

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/pedonor.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/Njdonor.jpg

[AJW Performance]

Hello everyone,
We will be sending out an update next week for all participants, will post on this thread too.
We have been busy preparing donors and almost forgot to keep you updated over the past couple weeks!
Have a good weekend!
- Andrew

[timmy318]

Can't wait for y'all to ship stuff out!

[AJW Performance]

Hello everyone,
Good news for those who are awaiting their donor packages. We were able to beat our most recent deadline of November 15 for the release of available donors for participants to choose from. Our new goal is to release them this week, before SEMA. Our entire team is working right now to get this done. Donor report cards are being made, the last of the donors are being processed, and all their information and pricing is being populated.
That being said, for those who want their kits to ship out ASAP we should be able to do that for you by mid November.
For those of you who want their donors to stay here until your FFR 818 arrives at your door, as I said before that is not a problem.

I will keep you posted on what day this week the donors will be announced (it will be on the website).

Thanks,
Andrew

[AJW Performance]

Update:
Donor kits are being released this evening! The entire 818/AJW staff (all 5 of us :p ) is here working late at the warehouse tonight to get this program finished up for you all. Participants will receive an email within the next 1 to 24 hours (depends on what number you are on the list) in regards to the program and your donor.
Thanks again everyone!
Andrew Wallace

[timmy318]

:D Can't wait to see what y'all got!

[AJW Performance]

I hear ya! We are on to participant number 2 right now, so we are getting there!

[AJW Performance]

Couple shots from today ( Still here enjoying the dinner/ cocktail hour)

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-26285-1351554828276.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-27238-1351554811916.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-31035-1351554787289.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-11620-1351554724651.jpg

[Samiam1017]

Anybody know what exactly what there getting and how much yet?

[AJW Performance]

We are waiting to hear back from donor #2. #1 has picked, and our N/A Impreza participant (Silvertop) has also picked. I am going to touch base with #2 tomorrow.

[timmy318]

We are waiting to hear back from donor #2. #1 has picked, and our N/A Impreza participant (Silvertop) has also picked. I am going to touch base with #2 tomorrow.

Common guys! :p We're dying to know what you guys got!

[WonderDude]

Couple shots from today ( Still here enjoying the dinner/ cocktail hour)

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-26285-1351554828276.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-27238-1351554811916.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-31035-1351554787289.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-11620-1351554724651.jpg

Those are some real good pix of the 818S! :D

[AJW Performance]

Got some more coming; went back with the good camera, stay tuned!

[thestigwins]

Awesome.. Load em up!

[AJW Performance]

They are as we speak, using the 3g Verizon wireless card right now, shes lagging inside the building here. slowly but surely!

[timmy318]

They are as we speak, using the 3g Verizon wireless card right now, shes lagging inside the building here. slowly but surely!

lol

[AJW Performance]

Ok, some good pics:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/DSCN1740.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/DSCN1739.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/DSCN1738.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/DSCN1737.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/DSCN1736.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/DSCN1735.jpg

[AJW Performance]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/DSCN1734.jpg

[NonProfit]

Nice shots! Thanks!

[timmy318]

Now this is where it's it!

[WonderDude]

Cool! :D

[AJW Performance]

no problem, not a professional photographer here but it will hold you guys over for a day!

I would like to comment that the windshield on the 818S is awesome, the quality, fitment, and build is superb.

[NonProfit]

Two requests:

Is it possible to provide a look under the hood and engine cover?
Can someone stand next to it and offer a sense of scale?

Thanks!

[timmy318]

no problem, not a professional photographer here but it will hold you guys over for a day!

I would like to comment that the windshield on the 818S is awesome, the quality, fitment, and build is superb.

Not to ask too much but could you guys get a close up of the windshield itself?

[AJW Performance]

I will ask Jim tomorrow, I know there are a handful of others from this forum that will be taking some detailed pics, so between us all we will get some of these questions anwsered for sure!

Good point on the scale, will do.

As far as my perception of it's size (fully opinionated) it is exacly the size I anticipated and visualized, no larger or smaller.
This car is getting more and more powerful, since it simply came together so well.

[onequickm4door]

What's the wheel size on that 818s?

[timmy318]

If y'all don't mind me asking but what participant are y'all at? :p

[ehuwe]

I just selected my donor (I'm number 3 on the list). So, it's slowly but surely making it's way down the list.

[timmy318]

I just selected my donor (I'm number 3 on the list). So, it's slowly but surely making it's way down the list.

:D!

[AJW Performance]

We are getting there!

[AJW Performance]

Couple STi shortblocks showed up last week for some donor kits we are making for customers :)

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/blocks.jpg

[Samiam1017]

Any body ever get there donor kit yet. What did you receive and how much was it. What's the condition of the parts and mileage.

[AJW Performance]

The beta donor kits are in the process of getting ready to ship, we hope to get 3 out before Jan 1.
They range from 5,000.00- 15,000.00 depending on features
0 miles (new motors) to 130,000 miles+

All depends on what your goals and budget are of course

[AJW Performance]

A blog Tim wrote on motor builds yesterday-

http://818donors.com/general/building-a-motor-for-your-818/

[AJW Performance]

Finishing up a motor today. New STi short block mated up with some re done heads held together with ARP studs.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-43350-1354299940748.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-44917-1354299888633.jpg


Donor crates came today too!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-9524-1354299906265.jpg

[RM1SepEx]

I made my choice for a low mileage motor to avoid a rebuild but damn that does looks sweet!

[AJW Performance]

Thank you,
Feel free to come by and check out our operation if you are ever in the area!

- Andrew

[Ironhydroxide]

just a question, you advertize turn key 818's, but i looked and didn't see a price... or a ballpark.

so, for me (well, a baseline for me) and anyone else looking, WHAT do you EXPECT the cost to be for a turn key, Base WRX.... no aftermarket upgrades.

[AJW Performance]

Our products do not have standardized pricing due to the nature of the donors we source to make into donor kit pallets.

[AJW Performance]

Wiring prep for a donor we are finishing up this week!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/wiring.jpg

[Silvertop]

Wiring prep for a donor we are finishing up this week!

Well, that looks encouraging!! All nice and cleaned up....... May I assume that there will also be extensive labeling?

[AJW Performance]

Silvertop, all components are labeled.

Today we pack a crate :)

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/packingcrate1.jpg

[longislandwrx]

Can you describe the treatment the wiring harness gets from you guys?

[AZPete]

Andrew, quick! . . . check the guy driving the forklift. He's slumped forward! Is he okay?
Pete

[flynntuna]

Don't think anyone has invented see thru forklifts.

[AJW Performance]

LOL he is ok!!

[AJW Performance]

Off to Texas!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/offtotexas_zpsa12d6d86.jpg

[AJW Performance]

Time for some Supertech cams/springs on Silvertop's Outback Sport

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/obscams1_zps0ab421c3.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/obscams2_zps1fb11df7.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/obscams3_zpsa11bf89c.jpg

[Silvertop]

Likin' it;)

[AJW Performance]

Installed

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/supertechinstalled_zps80925929.jpg

[Silvertop]

Installed

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/supertechinstalled_zps80925929.jpg

That's great!!!

Now, if I can just figure out a way to trick my ECU into allowing enough additional RPM to let the new cam and heavy duty springs do their work......... What RPM does the stock ECU limit me to, anyways?

[Evan78]

That's great!!!

Now, if I can just figure out a way to trick my ECU into allowing enough additional RPM to let the new cam and heavy duty springs do their work......... What RPM does the stock ECU limit me to, anyways?I believe 7250 on the 2.0 motor and 6750 on the 2.5 liter. You can modify that with a reflash via open source software or Cobb AccessPort.

Edit: I should rephrase that to 250rpm over redline. STi 2.5 engines have a 7k redline, so 7250 rev limiter like the 2.0 liter WRX motor.

[Silvertop]

I believe 7250 on the 2.0 motor and 6750 on the 2.5 liter. You can modify that with a reflash via open source software or Cobb AccessPort.

Edit: I should rephrase that to 250rpm over redline. STi 2.5 engines have a 7k redline, so 7250 rev limiter like the 2.0 liter WRX motor.

So the 6750 redline that my Outback Sport NA 2.5 engine probably has means that it will rev to 7000 before the rev limiter cuts in?

Regarding ECU reflash: From everything I've been able to gather, there currently is no open source tuning software available for the NA 2.5 ECU. And I'm not at all sure that Cobb currently offers it either. Crawford Performance once offered ECU reflashes for NA's,but quit doing it within the last year. It is my understanding that they sold the software, to Cobb I think, but I don't believe that Cobb is doing anything with it. I'd be very happy if someone can tell me with certainty that I am wrong.

As far as I know, the only currently available ECU tuning for NA applications involves the use of expensive add-on stand-alone ECU's or piggy back units, also expensive. Again, I'd rather be wrong about this. If somebody could point me at a specific vendor who can help me with this issue, I'd be most pleased.

[Tim@ajwperformance]

Hello SilverTop,

Upon much investigation and speaking with our tuner, there isnt anything available for open source. For some reason the 04 is untuneable via RomRaider. Some Outbacks can be tuned (as seen on www.romraider.com). Cobb no longer supports NA applications as stated above and Crawford is in the same boat.

The options are standalone systems which do carry a hefty price tag (1600-2000+). We will continue to work on this and our tuner will look at some other options on this for you.

[longislandwrx]

Can you describe the treatment the wiring harness gets from you guys?

[Silvertop]

Hello SilverTop,

Upon much investigation and speaking with our tuner, there isnt anything available for open source. For some reason the 04 is untuneable via RomRaider. Some Outbacks can be tuned (as seen on www.romraider.com). Cobb no longer supports NA applications as stated above and Crawford is in the same boat.

The options are standalone systems which do carry a hefty price tag (1600-2000+). We will continue to work on this and our tuner will look at some other options on this for you.

Thanks for the comeback. You pretty much confirm what I already knew, and what Andrew told me a few weeks back. I'm not going to spend big $ on an aftermarket standalone ECU, particularly since NA applications do not get bucketfuls of added HP from a tune anyways, at least as compared to a turbo application. My only concern is running out of RPM's while there is still significant horsepower available to be made from the cam, springs, pulleys, air intake, and exhaust mods that are being added.

I don't really know what the horsepower and torque curves are supposed to look like using the particular Techworks "Stage II" Cam and Spring setup we have selected. In all likelihood, 7000 RPM will be all that I need to utilize all of the available power. If that is the case, it is really no big deal. But do keep looking! The fact is that Crawford DID have the software, and somebody probably still has it now! Or perhaps there is some way to defeat or change the rev limiter function without doing a tune.

[Evan78]

So the 6750 redline that my Outback Sport NA 2.5 engine probably has means that it will rev to 7000 before the rev limiter cuts in?

Regarding ECU reflash: From everything I've been able to gather, there currently is no open source tuning software available for the NA 2.5 ECU. And I'm not at all sure that Cobb currently offers it either. Crawford Performance once offered ECU reflashes for NA's,but quit doing it within the last year. It is my understanding that they sold the software, to Cobb I think, but I don't believe that Cobb is doing anything with it. I'd be very happy if someone can tell me with certainty that I am wrong.

As far as I know, the only currently available ECU tuning for NA applications involves the use of expensive add-on stand-alone ECU's or piggy back units, also expensive. Again, I'd rather be wrong about this. If somebody could point me at a specific vendor who can help me with this issue, I'd be most pleased.I didn't even think about non-turbo applications since I'm so used to only dealing with the turbo models. I didn't know the NA 2.5 has a 6750 redline, but I would expect the same logic on the rev limiter. I have no idea what options are available for NA reflashes, but it looks like Tim has already covered that one.

I know Megasquirt (and probably Microsquirt) are popular for turbo Miata setups in both piggyback and stand alone configurations. I can't say how they compare to other aftermarket options or a Subaru ECU, but that might be worth investigating if you're looking for something inexpensive for a non-turbo Subaru setup.

[AJW Performance]

Time for a little update!

http://818donors.com/general/what-is-going-on-at-818donors/

And:

http://818donors.com/general/how-clean-will-my-donor-kit-come/

[AJW Performance]

Little facelift for this older 02 kit

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-6395-1360341457481_zps4a178928.jpg

[Tim@ajwperformance]

Hey guys,

Just realized we had 2 questions about wiring harnesses and 0 responses on our end....

At this time, we are carefully rolling them up. Ensuring there is no damage to any connector, individual wire etc before sending out. Until the final wiring diagram is available we will be sending these as full harnesses. Once we get one in and actually wire a car up we will then begin sending harnesses that are cleaned up (eliminate un-needed connectors) for final installation.

[longislandwrx]

Hey guys,

Just realized we had 2 questions about wiring harnesses and 0 responses on our end....

At this time, we are carefully rolling them up. Ensuring there is no damage to any connector, individual wire etc before sending out. Until the final wiring diagram is available we will be sending these as full harnesses. Once we get one in and actually wire a car up we will then begin sending harnesses that are cleaned up (eliminate un-needed connectors) for final installation.

Awesome... thanks for the info.

[Tim@ajwperformance]

Not a problem

[Silvertop]

My 04 NA donor pallet showed up in my driveway today. Driver backed up the truck and offloaded both crates directly into my garage. Nice crates, btw -- What did they cost, I wonder?

Donor pallets initially showed up yesterday, but they were aboard a tractor-trailer rig, and they couldn't negotiate the tight spaces on the dirt road I live on. They reloaded the crates onto a straight-axle truck and came back today. Driver earned a nice tip............

An update for other 818 builders going NA: I have found a source for NA reflashes. If your donor is a 1999-02 NA Impreza, or an 05 to current Impreza, the fellow who designed the no-longer available off-the-shelf Crawford reflashes is now off on his own, and can provide a mail-order tune. Those (like me) who have an 03- or 04- based donor are out of luck. These ECU's are not currently tunable, though he is working on it. However, there is a piggyback ECU available which incorporates several built-in maps. If it is not prohibitively expensive, that should be my solution. I have not yet been successful in contacting the vendor, so we shall see.. I think he is a very busy fellow.

Check out www.delicioustuning.com.

The fun begins NOW! :D

[AJW Performance]

Glad everything arrived safe and sound before your trip Silvertop!
Enjoy, keep us posted on your progress.

[PhyrraM]

...... Those (like me) who have an 03- or 04- based donor are out of luck. These ECU's are not currently tunable, ........

As a (somewhat educated) *guess* off the top of my head, I would think that the ECU pinouts on the '03-'04 ECUs are close to either the earlier or later ones. Subaru doesn't generally make quick back-to-back changes like that. They usually phase in a bit slowly. Swapping to one of those ECUs -that can be tuned- , may turn out to be a fairly easy proposition.

[Silvertop]

As a (somewhat educated) *guess* off the top of my head, I would think that the ECU pinouts on the '03-'04 ECUs are close to either the earlier or later ones. Subaru doesn't generally make quick back-to-back changes like that. They usually phase in a bit slowly. Swapping to one of those ECUs -that can be tuned- , may turn out to be a fairly easy proposition.

I can hope for that, and I will certainly research the possibility of swapping my ECU out for an earlier or later one. I would think that a tuning expert such as Bill Knose (the owner of the www.delicioustuning.com website) would be able to verify whether that is doable. I hope so. But isn't there the possibility that the off-year ECU could bugger up some other year-specific function?

I do need to do something. My new Techworks cams help the engine make its peak horsepower right around 6000 RPM, and I've been told that the curve doesn't fall off all that quickly. According to Techworks, I'll probably be bumping into the ECU's rev limiter more than I like. Need to find at least a few hundred more RPM.

[AJW Performance]

This 05 just came in, destined for a NEW 2.5L STi hybrid motor build. Will be available for sale soon!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-6532-1360694278395_zpscf181c21.jpg

[AJW Performance]

Busy day here today at the shop, some new crates just arrived minutes after our last donor showed up.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-5809-1360697522521_zps07384fe0.jpg

[Xusia]

This 05 just came in, destined for a NEW 2.5L STi hybrid motor build. Will be available for sale soon!

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/awalla5150/photobucket-6532-1360694278395_zpscf181c21.jpg

Can you provide more details on what you mean by a "hybrid" motor build?

[papajon1000]

Can you provide more details on what you mean by a "hybrid" motor build?

A "hybrid" motor uses 2.0 liter heads and 2.5 liter block.

Jon

[wleehendrick]

A "hybrid" motor uses 2.0 liter heads and 2.5 liter block.

Jon

Phew... no Prius motor! ;)

[Tim@ajwperformance]

A "hybrid" motor uses 2.0 liter heads and 2.5 liter block.

Jon


Mr. Jon is correct. The heads will be chamber matched to the bore of the 2.5 pistons to avoid detonation. These motors perform great when all said and done!

[Xusia]

I guess I was looking for more info like:

What is the advantage of this specific hybrid arrangement?
What kind of HP & torque numbers are expected? At the flywheel or at the wheels?
What is the rev range?
Etc...

[Erik W. Treves]

after seeing and reading all the issues with cracking in the 2.0 WRX heads..I am no longer know how I feel about the 2.0L subi engines...the 2.5 heads were redesigned...maybe it's just me...

[Tim@ajwperformance]

I guess I was looking for more info like:

What is the advantage of this specific hybrid arrangement?
What kind of HP & torque numbers are expected? At the flywheel or at the wheels?
What is the rev range?
Etc...


For people who have blown 2.0 motors/Motors that came in wrecked from a donor, its nice to do the 2.5 block for more displacement. Its the same cost as a 2.0 block. Chamber match the heads, clean them up and make sure all is well and you have a nice little setup.

Rev range is the same. When you do headwork (cams, springs, retainers) you can rev them out a bit more.

Horsepower will range largely based on turbo, injectors etc as well as the tune. You will want to get a base map calibrated to the 2.5 block before starting it up and taking it for a blast.

The 2.5 definitely adds more driveability (more pep around town) off boost response etc.

[Tim@ajwperformance]

after seeing and reading all the issues with cracking in the 2.0 WRX heads..I am no longer know how I feel about the 2.0L subi engines...the 2.5 heads were redesigned...maybe it's just me...

Definitely something I havent seen much. If theyre cracking its because someone heated the poor motor beyond reason. Ive seen 2.5 heads crack as well, its all in how you treat your motor.

To be honest, the 2.0 motors are pretty bullet proof. I personally run a hybrid setup on my 2002 WRX with just under 400 to the wheels (mustang dyno). I daily drive the car, make long commutes, boost it the way a Subaru was meant to and have had 0 issues.

[RM1SepEx]

I've heard of more issues with head gaskets on 2.5 motors...

[rjh2pd]

I've heard of more issues with head gaskets on 2.5 motors...
yup me to. my NA ej25 head gasket just started to leak, granted it has 170K miles on it.

[RM1SepEx]

You can't complain about a head gasket at 170K... My wife's Cadillac Northstar lost one at 70K... $$$

[Tim@ajwperformance]

170k is definitely some good miles before that kind of maintenance. Its when they go at 60k that its a real nail bitter.

[rjh2pd]

yeah 170K is a lot but i have read that they are notorious for going as well. When i do mine ill try and take pictures off the process so people can see how to pull the engine and replace them.

[Evan78]

Wasn't there a couple years of NA EJ25 motors in the mid or late 90's that came with bad gaskets?

[papajon1000]

Wasn't there a couple years of NA EJ25 motors in the mid or late 90's that came with bad gaskets?

Yes the EJ25D (dual overhead cams) in the late 90's had problems with internally leaking headgaskets.

The EJ251 (early 2000's single overhead cams) also had problems but with external leaking headgaskets.

A solution to the problem is too use the updated gasket number or use the EJ255 or EJ257 head gaskets.

Jon

[Erik W. Treves]

Definitely something I havent seen much. If theyre cracking its because someone heated the poor motor beyond reason. Ive seen 2.5 heads crack as well, its all in how you treat your motor.

To be honest, the 2.0 motors are pretty bullet proof. I personally run a hybrid setup on my 2002 WRX with just under 400 to the wheels (mustang dyno). I daily drive the car, make long commutes, boost it the way a Subaru was meant to and have had 0 issues.


Do a search on the nosiac forum...VERY common. They start to crack from the spark plug hole...you're fine as long as the crack doesn't extend to the valve seat. There is a ton of material there. It is whenit makes it to the valve seat that it's game over. Of course my heads each had one chamber each with a crack to the seat...of course

[AJW Performance]

I know the cracks you speak of, haven't seen a used 2.0 head without it in a couple years now anyways. Tim probably thought you meant something more drastic, not sure.
You are correct in terms of it being fine around the spark plug hole, as long as they don't make it to the valve seat. I will take some pics for reference if anyone cares to see.

[Erik W. Treves]

I posted some on my 2002 teardown thread for reference.

[philly15]

i agree with the 2.0's being relatively bullet proof ive owned three none of which had any issues all well beyond a stage 2 setup one of the wrxs i had was a 2002 i sold to my friend currently has 176,000 miles on the stock everything including clutch pushing (24 psi on a td04 on e85 and many bolt ons) no issues what so ever only thing replaced between 128k miles and 176k miles was spark plugs and routine maintenance really if you find one in good condition as all of mine were they will run forever on good tuning and proper maintenance

[AJW Performance]

Have a 05 coming with 60,000 miles next week.

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