818 Super GT Style...

[FFR-ADV]

The following is based on Jim's and Vman's excellent work. Any shortcomings are my own.

The modifications are all small, and achievable with the 818r body which Dave released to our community.

I really like the idea of a race car with license plates, and I have always liked the Super GT.

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Please bring your visual edits of how you might make the 818 into a race/street car on this thread using small or reasonable visual modifications to Jim's design. I wonder how much balanced front rear downforce can be generated on the 818 by some aerodynamic add ons like the ones I have posted?

They didn't call it Factory Five Racing for nothing! So on with the adventure...

Cheers!

[Vman7]

I like it!!! Looks awesome to say the least!

You did really good work putting all that together :)

[projectrally]

I really like what you're doing with the roof.

[Sherrell]

If that thing was available today, I'd order one tomorrow!
Sherrell

[shinn497]

as i thought, a boxier snout and a more aggressive black lip really make it more aggressive.

[Benji]

Hmmm...... interesting. Up until now I've not liked this car one bit.

It seems that your roof design actually completely changes the look to the point I'd say, "I'd buy that."

If this is an opinion shared with many others then FFR need to take note.

[jimgood]

It looks fantastic. But have you ever tried to get out of a race car with a window that small? Even if the door opens, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on that after a crash with the car on fire.

[Kalstar]

Roof looks perfect. Sounds like a job for Thomas142. I'll take my roof ala-hardtop Boxter style, ie removable. A fiberglass fab guy can mold a roof and reproduce, $2500 for that look and three latches from a roadster and I'm all over it. The body mods look pretty straightforward.

[TheUnscented]

The following is based on Jim's and Vman's excellent work. Any shortcomings are my own.

The modifications are all small, and achievable with the 818r body which Dave released to our community.

I really like the idea of a race car with license plates, and I have always liked the Super GT.

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Please bring your visual edits of how you might make the 818 into a race/street car on this thread using small or reasonable visual modifications to Jim's design. I wonder how much balanced front rear downforce can be generated on the 818 by some aerodynamic add ons like the ones I have posted?

They didn't call it Factory Five Racing for nothing! So on with the adventure...

Cheers!
This is great. When is this available?

[FFR-ADV]

Happy Father's Day Everyone!


It looks fantastic. But have you ever tried to get out of a race car with a window that small? Even if the door opens, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on that after a crash with the car on fire.

This thought has crossed my mind as well. There is at least one vendor who has been working on a gullwing hardtop for the FFR Roadster. This allows one to step in, standing on the floor, then sit down, and lower the gullwing top.

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And his prices are very reasonable :cool:

http://www.gatewaycobraclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2769

I expect several suppliers will step up. It certainly would be nice if FFR gave them a head start on development.

[apexanimal]

aaaaand that's what i want...

track car, hard top, a true rear wing, front splitter, taking names and eating babies...




that's a bit much but you get the idea...

[jimgood]

Happy Father's Day Everyone!



This thought has crossed my mind as well. There is at least one vendor who has been working on a gullwing hardtop for the FFR Roadster. This allows one to step in, standing on the floor, then sit down, and lower the gullwing top.

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And his prices are very reasonable :cool:

http://www.gatewaycobraclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2769

I expect several suppliers will step up. It certainly would be nice if FFR gave them a head start on development.
Not 100% sure about his but I believe that, once you add a roof, the roll cage has to be altered to follow the roof line in order to be legal. They don't want the top of the windshield folding into the cockpit so there has to be something to prevent that. Usually this means front and rear hoops with bars connecting them above the side windows. They may allow these to be an X, leaving the area above the side window more open. Or they may allow these longitudinal bars to connect more inboard, as opposed to out at the corners. Hard to say without input from a tech inspector.

Would it look gawdawful to drop the top of the doors down 4 or 5 inches?

[slopoke]

If it could only be a true gullwing .... instant HoF! get out the fire extinguishers!!! yeah, it might b a little heavier, a little more expensive to produce ... but what the heck. I would have to buy two.

[riptide motorsport]

Looks nice!!

[Xusia]

LOVE the Super GT! Is the idea that it's a coupe, or the roadster with a removable hard top?

[Vman7]

When I designed the roof, it was real late, and I was getting tired.......lol, also the windshield might not be the right size or shape, not sure on the one FFR is going to use. When I did the windshield I was going by the roll bar height after I cleaned up the interior.

Overall I think FFR-ADV's idea of a GT Coupe works pretty well, gives you a rough idea what the car could look like :)

David

[projectrally]

It looks fantastic. But have you ever tried to get out of a race car with a window that small? Even if the door opens, I'm not sure I'd want to rely on that after a crash with the car on fire.

Excellent point!

[FFR-ADV]

Thanks everyone.

Vman,
Thank you for your kind words. You are right we don't know what FFR is planning for the windshield except for the front view that is in the frame section of the Factory Five website and even that is a work in progress. I do not think you are far off. We also do not know what FFR plans for their Coupe design, it could end up something like this, or maybe not. I prefer to describe this as a removable hardtop that has potential to become an FFR Coupe design down the road, but that is up to Dave, Jim and the rest of FFR's development team. I look forward to seeing what you and others on this forum will do by add-ons (tops, graphics...) and minor modifications to the revealed FFR 818 design.

http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/design/

I do like the idea of a removable hard top, whether from FFR or a third party such as is available with the Roadster. That a hard top like this could be provided by a third party means that I can build the initial release 818 Spyder and should be able to add a hardtop down the road. Full track usage will require a complete cage and I do not know what NASA would require to qualify such a cage. I did notice that some of the FFR track roadsters do have more complete cages. That is probably a big enough topic to warrant its own thread.

I have cleaned up a few jagged lines on the wing struts.

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Cheers!

[Vman7]

Thanks everyone.

Vman,
Thank you for your kind words. You are right we don't know what FFR is planning for the windshield except for the front view that is in the frame section of the Factory Five website and even that is a work in progress. I do not think you are far off. We also do not know what FFR plans for their Coupe design, it could end up something like this, or maybe not. I prefer to describe this as a removable hardtop that has potential to become an FFR Coupe design down the road, but that is up to Dave, Jim and the rest of FFR's development team. I look forward to seeing what you and others on this forum will do by add-ons (tops, graphics...) and minor modifications to the revealed FFR 818 design.
Cheers!

You did a good job!

That's what I had in mind as well, if you look close you will see the seam from the top and the windshield.

A 3rd party top may be one of the first hard tops, until FFR comes up with a coupe.

I am working on changing the windshield height and Coupe top height right now, plus taking out the humps and adding a back window. I have the new Soft Top height done, as well as the Coupe, just need to clean up the humps. So if you want you can add your add ons once I upload them. I will upload them to my thread.

David

[TheUnscented]

Excuse my ignorance, but is this the official design?

[FFR-ADV]

Welcome TheUnscented!

This is not the official design, but my and others thoughts of what we could do with the FFR design through small modifcations or add-ons. Dave Smith had Mad Dog released a picture of an 818r racing body concept on another thread that should represent FFRs intent:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?6298-Milk-Carton-Guy-Looking-for-Advice/page7

This design also is slight modifications to the work done by Vman who has added an album to show his work:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=337

Thanks, and great idea Vman!

Cheers!

[BipDBo]

Looks good. Nice splitter.

I think at the very least, they should pick up Vmans modification to the rear fender intake. Thie other modifications i think could go either way in subjection, but this one flows so much better and seems like such a no-brainer. Compared to Vman's version, the original just looks like an after thought.

[keys2heaven]

I love this!

Make it happen....

[VD2021]

Nice. I really like the look. Looks like a 370z......,but better.

[FFR-ADV]

As a next step I colorized Vman's Coupe adaptation of Jim's Design as solid Subaru Rally Blue. Then when I get a little time I will start playing with more modifications.

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Cheers!

[Nuul]

Love the designs

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[WonderDude]

Man those look nice! :)

[SkiRideDrive]

As a next step I colorized Vman's Coupe adaptation of Jim's Design as solid Subaru Rally Blue. Then when I get a little time I will start playing with more modifications.

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Cheers!

oooooooooo, I like the blue.

[narkosys]

I really like this design but, to me, the big wing is a must have to make it look bang on.

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[riptide motorsport]

Blue doesn't do it justice.........I think black would look good on it.

[Mechie3]

I like the blue/white myself. All blue looks a little muted.

[SkiRideDrive]

Blue doesn't do it justice.........I think black would look good on it.

I love black, but after washing and waxing my black truck twice a week to keep it looking good, I may go another route.

[Xusia]

I love the look of black on most things, but I'll NEVER own another BLACK vehicle...

[shinn497]

Xusia....what?! If you will never own another vehicle...why are you here?? (I say this in a jesting/curious manner)

The all blue coupe is def HOF. It tones down the roof and makes everything flow better.

[xscott]

Blue doesn't do it justice.........I think black would look good on it.

I also think black would look good :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/enoyskt/818/black818.jpg

*Credits to Vman + FFR-ADV for the body mods.

[xscott]

A little more fun with color combos (white+black) my fave

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/enoyskt/818/white818.jpg

[shim2]

Lotus orange?

[WonderDude]

I'd like to see a yellow, red, or burgundy with the silver wheels.

[Xusia]

Xusia....what?! If you will never own another vehicle...why are you here?? (I say this in a jesting/curious manner)

The all blue coupe is def HOF. It tones down the roof and makes everything flow better.

Hahaha! Yeah I left out a key word! Edited now. :)

The silver really has me going. Still shows off the good looks, while not showing dirt or imperfections as well as not grabbing a lot of the wrong attention.

[shinn497]

What's wrong with black cars?

[DrieStone]

A quick 2 minute color:

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[SkiRideDrive]

What's wrong with black cars?

They look great... but they stay clean for about 2 hours. And you can't just wash it, you have to wax it too because there are always spots.

[flynntuna]

The orange one looks hot.

[jimgood]

I wanted to know how it would look if the top of the door was dropped a little to make for easier exit if the door is stuck. This is my lame hack with MS Paint. Best I can do but I think it has potential and might even look good:
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[Vman7]

I like that Gulf one. The orange one looks pretty cool as well. I would like to see one in a nice burgundy.

Going to make some changes again to the coupe......lol as jimgood pointed out about the side window height. I have been working on the side view using the cad drawing from FFR website (not sure on how accurate it is) that I scaled out. Once I get that done, it will help me figure out the 3/4 view to make better changes.

For those concerned about the side window height, think of the side windows on the GTM and the 65 Coupe.

David

[metalmaker12]

What's wrong with black cars?

nothing, it is a good color, just tough the keep clean

I am going to post many pics soon of my donor parts. The car shell is long gone.

[shim2]

A quick 2 minute color:

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Orange one looks really nice.

[jimgood]

I like that Gulf one. The orange one looks pretty cool as well. I would like to see one in a nice burgundy.

Going to make some changes again to the coupe......lol as jimgood pointed out about the side window height. I have been working on the side view using the cad drawing from FFR website (not sure on how accurate it is) that I scaled out. Once I get that done, it will help me figure out the 3/4 view to make better changes.

For those concerned about the side window height, think of the side windows on the GTM and the 65 Coupe.

David
I think one has to be a contortionist with a very small head in order to exit through the window opening in the GTM or 65 Coupe, especially when the seat has to have a left side head restraint. But I'm not sure if it just looks worse than it is.

[Xusia]

What's wrong with black cars?

Black shows every spec of dirt & dust, as well as every little imperfection. It requires a much higher level of care with regard to the finish to keep the shiny, beautiful look. For me, it's just too much work. I'd rather have another color than a poor looking one in black.

[FFR-ADV]

I really like this design but, to me, the big wing is a must have to make it look bang on.

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I agree:

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Cheers!

[FFR-ADV]

I like the way you are thinking Shim2. Nice Colors....

Introducing a Soft Targa Version:

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Cheers!

[FFR-ADV]

This one's just for you Dave! ;)

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Cheers!

[riptide motorsport]

Cool.....this car actually does look better with a big A$$ wing.

[FFR-ADV]

Thanks DrieStone!

I like what you are doing.

[FFR-ADV]

I also think black would look good :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/enoyskt/818/black818.jpg

*Credits to Vman + FFR-ADV for the body mods.

Thank you for contributing xscott. It does look really nice in black, maybe even a flat black like the GTM photo of the month.
Just a thought, but I think the high wing might be key to visually counterbalancing the nose.

Keep having fun with these!

Cheers!

[DrieStone]

I don't love the "big *** wing" so I put together a quick mockup of a more sensible wing.

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[keys2heaven]

I don't love the "big *** wing" so I put together a quick mockup of a more sensible wing.

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I wonder, with this wing and top, if this wouldn't be a good setup for the high mileage version of the 818.

[Vman7]

A wing from APR Performance would look pretty good.

http://aprperformance.com/images/products/AS-106757.jpg

[Kalstar]

I like what DrieStone did with the wing much better than big one....ala Supra.

[shim2]

I don't love the "big *** wing" so I put together a quick mockup of a more sensible wing.

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I like that, but I personally think a wing like on a 1994-95 MR2 would look much better.

[Oppenheimer]

I wonder, with this wing and top, if this wouldn't be a good setup for the high mileage version of the 818.

Also not a fan of big honkin' wings. I really like what you did with the mini wing. Adds balance without adding poser.


I wonder, with this wing and top, if this wouldn't be a good setup for the high mileage version of the 818.

Wing = drag though, right? The mileage coupe is supposed to be a different body design, something low drag. But I am betting we will eventually see more than one 'coupe' body design. The mileage one, and maybe a targa w/hard panel of the current, maybe something where the targa panel can be made fixed, etc.

[shinn497]

Wing = drag, but spoiler = lower COF.

If it is to generate downforce than yes, but to prevent tumbling air from creating eddy force than that is good for MPG.

It isn't out of the question that the high mileage coupe look like one of driestone's designs.

[FFR-ADV]

It is all about choices….

Each of us making the car that we want for ourselves with the 818 Factory Five delivers to us. This thread is focused on what we can make from what Factory Five is planning to offer us in early 2013. There is no such thing as a do it all car at any price. What impresses me about the varied ideas that are being presented in this thread is seeing how many different ways the existing 818 design can be tailored. This is really good news for those (such as me) who want to build sooner than later.

Perhaps we will end up encouraging third party vendors (or even Factory Five) into offering some of these add-ons for us. The possibilities include:

Removable Hard Tops, Removable Targa Hard Tops, Spoilers, Aero Packages: Wings (static, adjustable, dynamically adjustable), Splitters, Diffusers, Vinyl Appearance "Kits" and others....

I look forward to seeing what your creative minds will come up with. I like Driestones 818 design and my 818 Super GT, just in different ways. I hope these get others creative juices flowing. It is a kit! What can we make from it?

Please endeavor to keep the tenor of this thread positive.

Cheers!

[xscott]

Just a thought, but I think the high wing might be key to visually counterbalancing the nose.

Keep having fun with these!

Cheers!

I agree, a subtle wing add-on

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/enoyskt/818/black818wing.jpg

[FFR-ADV]

Thanks xscott,

I like your subtle wing addition. Your tone on tone black gives a neat effect.

Cheers!

[flynntuna]

Looks like the the WRX trunk wing might work from the donor.

[Torqueroll]

I think or wish they would scale down this body :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9KGClpMo3m4/TWOGOIspHNI/AAAAAAAAGXA/fdpdRguNHps/s1600/porsche-carrera-gt-mirage-gt-white-gold-edition-side.jpg


:)

[slopoke]

I'm of the mindset that it would probably be in the best interest of all "wookie" types, that any coupe iterations be considered with a butterfly or gullwing engress and egress. ... besides the cool factor.

[ajr4]

I really like the idea of a roof for this car. I hope that FFR builds one soon after they introduce the roadster. That's what it would take for me to buy one. Nice rendition!

[LS1RX7owen]

the design looks great but I have to agree with some who said the side windows would have to be much higher into the roof or the roof itself would need to be higher, to be functional.

I'd venture a good 2" up higher,

[Evil Republican]

Hope this isn't too noob of me, I love all of your designs, but has Factory Five officially announced that they would be offering a hard top in the future? Thanks.

[flynntuna]

It's been a goal of FFR to eventualy have many body styles, what Dave calls swatch watch approach. A race version, a roadster, and a high mileage version. Most assume the high mileage version would be a hard top. What they will look like is very much in the air.

[NicksPapaw]

If that thing was available today, I'd order one tomorrow!
Sherrell

I knew you couldn't stay away Sherrell. :)