Anybody else sick of all of the 818 drama?

[MPTech]

I'm interested in the 818 like any other car project and can't wait for Dave's unveil.
I also think Dave is doing a very cool thing.
But talk about a bunch of WHINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

To the guys sticking with Dave and his decisions...... Kudos! Be patient and remember this is Dave's livelihood and he's making business decisions for a huge market of people. Can't wait to see your cars.
To the whiners........ leave. You won't be missed.


I'll just stick to continuing my Roadster build. :cool:

[Movieman]

I sort of see it like a typical Thanksgiving where the Mrs is busting her backside trying to get everything to come out perfectly cooked at the same time and there are 12 "lookerson" tapping their feet waiting for the bird to be cooked.
Guys, when it's cooked it's cooked and nothing anyone can say will effect the cooking time by a minute..
Anyway, thats my 2 centavlos..;)

[RMB]

I'm interested in the 818 like any other car project and can't wait for Dave's unveil.
I also think Dave is doing a very cool thing.
But talk about a bunch of WHINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

To the guys sticking with Dave and his decisions...... Kudos! Be patient and remember this is Dave's livelihood and he's making business decisions for a huge market of people. Can't wait to see your cars.
To the whiners........ leave. You won't be missed.


I'll just stick to continuing my Roadster build. :cool:

Agreed.

Rob

[Jeff Kleiner]

I've sworn off the 818 subforum several times over the past year when the mental masturbation has gotten to be a bit much. I keep telling myself that I'll just wait for the introduction but invariably curiosity and interest get the best of me and I wind up drawn back in until it gets out of hand again and I take another hiatus...

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Jeff

[PaulW]

I haven't paid too much attention to the 818 as it is not my interest. However looking over some of the posts I have to say I am disappointed in some of the comments. Easy to be an armchair quaterback when you don't have a horse (financially) in the race. We all have a vested interest in the success of the project as there is only one financial backer in this and that is FFR and success or failure has the potential to affect more than just the 818 product. Do what you think is best Dave!!

[Joe]

I don't know why but when I read the 818 forum I get the feeling it's full of a bunch of high school kids that like to post but will never actually buy an 818..

[MPTech]

I don't know why but when I read the 818 forum I get the feeling it's full of a bunch of high school kids that like to post but will never actually buy an 818..

I think you hit it on the head Joe. I see the Roadster, Coupe, GTM, and 33 forums as more mature, with a sincere and vested interest. Even the guys on the fence, while some are still green, they are "mature". I'm not talking about age, because I know there are younger guys building all of these cars too. It could be that the 818 Project has attracted more "designers" than "engineers".

or maybe it's V8 versues tuner attitude. I don't know. I just know it's different. More Drama.

Personally, I like all of these cars and for different reasons.
The roadster is iconic. And the definition of a Muscle car.
The coupe is the start of racing engineering and technology.
The GTM is the American Exotic.
The 33 is the traditional hotrod, with the modern technology twist.

And the 818 is the tuner race-car and I look forward to what Dave develops and the gearheads here build. :cool:

[CapeCoralCobra]

I totally agree with what's been said, was hoping it wasn't just me - wow, seems some just can't let it go...:confused:

[FFinisher]

I don't know why but when I read the 818 forum I get the feeling it's full of a bunch of high school kids that like to post but will never actually buy an 818..

The 818 forum is alot like other forums. I hate to stereotype the folks because I am sure there are many many good people over there. But they sure seem disrespectful to each other, to FFR and quicker with their mouths than with thier brains.

You can't make all the people happy all the time.

It reminds me of the guy who goes to look at his car at the body shop and starts yelling at the body guy because there is still a dent in the car before he is done.

Give FFR a chance to work, get it done. and let them build the first one then have a look.

[riptide motorsport]

Yes.

[Joe]

Here's a perfect example.. I'm thinking Dave is just about ready to stay off of the forum for awhile.. Don't think I had ever heard of "crapping in a flat hat" before. :)

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?6399-Next-body-style&p=62503&viewfull=1#post62503

[crash]

Great example that I return to whenever I am pushed by someone to offer something "different".

Very early in my business I offered different types of LED brake/turn/marker lamps. These were lamps I made in house. I had three different sizes, with three different lense colors, and two different LED colors. So something like 12 different combinations of sizes and colors. I can't tell you how many calls I had from people asking for a purple lense, or a green LED, or a different shade of yellow LED. IT WAS RIDICULOUS. At first I tried to accomodate and track down the non standard parts, then they complained about having to pay more! I learned my lessons QUICK. I now offer what I offer. They may not be EXACTLY what the customer is looking for, but it's what works for my projects and if I make a little of the costs of my development back, fine. If I don't, I was building them anyway for my projects so to each his own.

Granted it is a bit different when the real motive is profit, but to tell you the truth, most products I see that are strictly profit based don't end up doing so well. Build what works well, and looks good and it will sell.

On a side note...if you don't like the drama(I don't) then don't read the threads. (I rarely do) ;)

[shinn497]

As someone that has payed very close attention to the 818 forum, I feel the reason that people are reacting so negatively is because of the hype surrounding the body. People had unrealistically high expectations and they weren't meant. In addition, people had it in their minds that the body would be significantly different than what was shown. Furthermore, they it in thier minds that a contest winner was promised. I'm not justifying this behavior. But there is a reason. I don't think that people should have been so mean and ungrateful, but admitedly the body is not what I expected. Of course I don't think dave or anyone at FFR was lying or being deceitful, rather a misunderstanding...

With regards to the maturity level of the 818 forum. I can say it is a different mentality. I sense a kind of entitlement. People here are less interested in the building process of the car and more about the end car itself. We all know you have to build it, but want to avoid a lot of the custom fabrication that most kit cars require, especially with regards to bodywork. I think alot of us would actually like to mod the body shape, if not than there wouldn't be so many "designers". I personally like vman's mod (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10113&d=1339134910)

[Brian Z]

I try to stay away from that forum because it is so negative alot of the time, but lately it's kind of like when you drive by a bad accident. You can't look away! The rest of the forums have a much friendlier atmosphere and sense of community. I feel safe over here!

[LuckyWinner]

Back to the Thanksgiving Day reference. You have the hole family over....but theres that one family member thats there that wont stop talking, never spending that much time with the family but knows everything and wont shut up. Hes still family, but you can wait for him to leave or passout...We are mostly V8 guys here so its a different monster. I wish Dave the best with it cuz I love the Company, but dont have much incommon with the people overthere. On that point I wish they would change the way the gallery is set up so I dont have to see so many pictures of it when looking for good Roadster pictures.

[skullandbones]

Is it entitlement, ignorance, "bully nature", bordum or something in the water that causes this behavior? The real problem is that an environment was created early on that allowed the behaviors to flourish. When I first started posting, it was learned quickly that you just had to tolerate the behavior if you wanted to participate (that's just the way they are). Whether there is a generational difference, a select group of designer geniuses, or just a bunch of tough guys, it shouldn't be tolerated. The recent "storm" over the first reveal is a perfect example of the volatitity that exists. You would think some of the posters had had their stock options taken away. I've heard the excuse that,"they are passionate". Well, that's a code for bad behavior. I once witnessed a woman toss a tray of glass tubes across a room (in a lab) and crash it against the wall. People said she was passionate and high strung. Bull, she was a bully and half crazy. So this recent crazy behavior is just too much. It should be reigned in, IMO, WEK.

[ClemsonS197]

I peaked in the forum just to see how the 818 was progressing. I have to admit it's pretty cool and I like the low cost potential. Once I stopped reading Dave's post and looking at the pictures, I was blown away at how much complaining there is. I guess it will be better when people start building them, but I haven't looked there in weeks. Bunch of whiners.

[MPTech]

If they're complaining this much over pictures, wait till they get their hands DIRTY! LOL


I think it's a cool project and I like what I've seen. Dave will do right by the majority and I hope the complainers will be silenced!

[Jeff Kleiner]

I guess it will be better when people start building them...

It probably will.


If they're complaining this much over pictures, wait till they get their hands DIRTY!

I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who are currently posting, and complaining, will never build one (now I'll brace myself for the PMs that arrive every time I say that :rolleyes:). Hopefully I'll lose that bet and Dave & Company will sell thousands of 'em!

Jeff

[efnfast]

I would hardly call that whining - for some reason cobra builders seem to be overly sensitive to everything; a lot of ya'll need to grow thicker skin....it's the internet! Heck, look at how many were so horribly offended by me on the other site that they had to ban me multple times, hah.

[tirod]

Grow thicker skin? Visit a firearms or knife forum.

What is being pointed out is a distinct difference in mindset. Coupe and roadsters builders are a more mature generation - they are working in a business environment that has polite discussion of opposing views on a daily basis, with negotiation and compromise as a normal condition. Posts in most forums tend to stick with that formula - people can get along by allowing each other to keep their point of view. It's called tolerance.

Not with emerging adults. It's part and parcel of their behavior to push the envelope and create room, in a distorted view of building respect for their persona - because they know they have very few accomplishments. It's not a specific generational issue, it's an issue with each new one.

The young guys talk tough because they, of all people, know they've got little to back it up. They lack experience, training, or a built car with a track record, and fairly new opinions that haven't been tested but certainly need to be.

It will change once the cars are sold and builds happen, simply because those owners will be the Big Dogs on the street and police their turf. Right now it's a free for all, after the release, there won't be any overblown expectations or hurt feelings. The car will be exactly what they physically see, not the one in their mind's eye.

You want to see a case of b***hurt, surf most any Magpul offering in the AR forums. Talk about whiners, kids have NO CLUE about production schedules, setting up lines, lead times on tooling, and engineering cycles. They think that if you announce the product, it must be waiting in the warehouse to ship at the click of their buttons. Nobody told them that, but somehow the expectation is formed.

Expectations crushed are huge in their minds, don't worry, the School of Hard Knocks will teach them otherwise as life goes on.