Design ideas-benchmarking from the best

[subyrod]

So, lets get some ideas from cars we love to inspire those with skills to draft up body designs. If I had the money, I'd have to have an RWB (Rauh Welt Begriff) Porsche built. This is a Japanese company of all places who specialize in building wide, low track day/street 930/964 Porsches. What I'd like to show you is some of the features that make these cars so special.

I'd love to see this kit have some wide fenders or even bulging fenders/flares. Look at the Cobra kits as well, that body has vuluptuous curves and fenders.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/RWBrm_5.jpg
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/RWBrm_2.jpghttp://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/rwb964r.jpg
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/IMG_0982.jpghttp://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/AY0F2181.jpg
I dig some of the features/lines of the front of this slantnose. I also like the louveredish vents in the front fenders.

When (not if) I build my FFR MR kit, it'll be low and have wide 17 or 18 wheels with wide meats.

So, post up pictures of exterior features you'd like to see.

[subyrod]

I searched "modern concept porsche 916" and found this;
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/zoom.jpg

Not sure what it is but I really like its proportions. Man, that's good lookin.

[riptide motorsport]

I like the new modern 916

[subyrod]

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/tumblr_kpprnede5C1qzpumao1_500.jpg

Some side views of the italian red horses of past and present.

[spaceywilly]

I searched "modern concept porsche 916" and found this;
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/zoom.jpg

Not sure what it is but I really like its proportions. Man, that's good lookin.

918 rsr

[redsharK]

I think getting some design cues from Le mans style prototypes, roof lines, air intakes and the such is a good start
http://media.techeblog.com/images/mazdafurai.jpg

[Kasmodean]

Good post, I, too, love the look of the wide body design. It makes it look more powerful, when the car has to make more room for the large rear tires. It would be cool if the new car could incorporate the wide body look.

[redsharK]

Something similar in concept from Europe

YES! Roadster Boasting Audi 3.2 V6 engine.
http://www.auto-power-girl.com/high-resolution-wallpapers/yes-3_2-roadster-live/yes-3_2-roadster-live-2008-25.jpg

http://www.yes-clubsport.de/

YES! Roadster Boasting Audi 3.2 V6 engine.

[subyrod]

I like that little audi powered roadster. I think the nose could be a little longer, but I like the general shape and bulbous/wide fenders with rear vent/intake in front of the rear fender.

[riptide motorsport]

Yes something like the Audi roAdster with Kouros' front end design. Steven

[keys2heaven]

I think getting some design cues from Le mans style prototypes, roof lines, air intakes and the such is a good start
http://media.techeblog.com/images/mazdafurai.jpg


This is SWEET!

LOVE the front end! Like the nose/cockpit of a fighter jet.

[VeniceCobra]

I think getting some design cues from Le mans style prototypes, roof lines, air intakes and the such is a good start
http://media.techeblog.com/images/mazdafurai.jpg

Indeed, very nice lines. Do you know who's making that proto?

[subyrod]

I thought it was the Mazda Furai or something like that. A running concept car from a couple years back.

[subyrod]

Someone mentioned putting LED lights in. I think the tails on this 918 are LED... what I really like about this rear end is the diffuser, but I'd make the tail lights a simpler round shape.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/porsche_918_rsr2.jpg
I like this 3/4 rear view. But those door vent lines would add cost possibly. Although, once the molds are developed, laying glass is laying glass (for the most part?).
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/Porsche-918-RSR-12.jpg

I liked the lines of this Chevron, not sure if that's a kit or just a concept at this point. Just found it on the net.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/Chevron-Sports-Car--GR8-9.png

Of course, I will always love the 914, especially the 916 with its wider fender flares.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/my20914.jpg

[GUNS]

Not to copy, but as inspiration Lotus has some awesome designs that are both beautiful and functional.

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/10580-2005-Lotus-Elise.jpg

http://lotus-exige.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Black-Lotus-Exige-S-260.jpg

http://robson.m3rlin.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/lotus_sport_exige_1_2005-1.thumbnail.jpg

[HealeyRick]

This is along the lines of what I was thinking - Ferrari Zobin concept:

http://i56.tinypic.com/14wueeb.jpg

http://www.automotto.org/entry/ferrari-zobin-concept-inspired-by-formula-1/

[subyrod]

Is that a 1 seater? Too much F1 in there for me.

[HealeyRick]

Yep, it's a single seater. Do you really want someone with you screaming, "No, no, Slow down! We're going to die!!!!" when you're running your new wheels on the Tail of the Dragon? :p

[Rotr8]

Hey new member here, signed up to participate in the design challenge. I hear a lot of "ooo you should build this" which is great and all but the cars being highlighted have their own design heritage within their respected manufacturers. Has anyone thought about the lineage that FFR is trying to establish with a new model? I see the GT-M as a great start and a building block for something to inspire the next gen of cars to come out of FFR, to try and establish their own design language, not a a Stratos not a Porsche not a Lotus, an FFR design inspired by their own content. I'm not trying to squander ideation and discussion but I have yet to hear anything about FFRs previous cars, so far everyone wants a cheaper variant of something that already exist.

[GUNS]

^ I agree with you. I think people in this thread are just throwing out some ideas of where we should maybe get some design ideas from, not make a copy of an already existing product.

[Rotr8]

I know, and I agree, no harm in getting excited(which I am and everyone here) but to site a random car that was produced by by a company that perhaps has up to almost a century's worth of evolution in its design is really taking it out of context. To site lets say an Lotus Evora, you have to look at everything that came before it to make it relevant and special. Or the 918, is it a nice design, sure but what gives it that special soul and energy is how Porsche tied its design back to the 906-917 era cars. Just putting some discussion out there.

[redsharK]

I know, and I agree, no harm in getting excited(which I am and everyone here) but to site a random car that was produced by by a company that perhaps has up to almost a century's worth of evolution in its design is really taking it out of context. To site lets say an Lotus Evora, you have to look at everything that came before it to make it relevant and special. Or the 918, is it a nice design, sure but what gives it that special soul and energy is how Porsche tied its design back to the 906-917 era cars. Just putting some discussion out there.

Every car that FFR makes is loosely based on other companies designs and concepts in one form or another. and I am ok with that.
http://www.factoryfive.com/
So essentially your point is meaningless here :-) The owner likes the Stratos and has stated such.

If they decide to build a Stratos or K1 or Furai inspired wrx powered kit car, count me in if it matches or exceeds the previous quality of FFR's products.
A cars real soul and energy comes from the chassis and drive train. The concept FFR is pursuing is awesome.
A nice body design is like a little black skirt on a pr0n star.... everyone looks and thinks "mmmm nice, you know she performs exceptionally"

I would like to see your original ideas for the body design contest :-)

Red

[Rotr8]

Yeah I guess I see your point. And as a designer myself Im never satisfied with accepting replication of whats already been done. Im familiar with FFRs designs being exceptional replicas(inspired) but Im wondering if its the case where there wasnt a previous design that considered and pushed forward from scratch or if it is like you stated something that the founders wanted in the first place? I tend to think not or they wouldn't have opened it up for a competition. Also another point is that it is truly difficult is to design something original without critics saying "well it looks like a ----------" becuase there are already so many cars out there.

I will show my designs as the competition proceeds Im finishing up the first and working on a second right now. As of yet the competition is pretty open ended, which is good. Im just wondering how long the comp will last(end date) we know it starts on the 1st and I believe I read that Dave would allow for a few months time. We'll see, Im confident that people will like my work, but its hard to tell. People have expectations set in their mind and, and like you said some like the little black dress, while some might prefer something else...

[lee4him]

Hearing that Dave and his team are opening the design of their new car to the public is exciting. I agree what's under the skin is what really makes the FFR brand shine; however, looks for a modern sports car are key. I love their 33 and who can't fall in love with the classic roadster, but the lines on the GTM just don't do it for me. Yes the GTM can out perform most exotics; however, the lines of the Chevy C6 surpass it (IMHO). Why? Lots of research. All major manufacturers researched what their future customers want and then come up with a winning design. So what's the future customer base for FFR want? Well hopefully this design contest will tell us. For me, the curves of a 918 or the Le Mans from above at a 9-12k price range would have me placing an order.

[Rotr8]

I agree with the "inspiration" statement but don't underestimate the power of "good lines" The meat and bones will determine if its a performer, which it will be, but there's alot to be said about a provocative design, it is the first impression people will give when they walk up to it, all the great and timeless cars possess both, not one or the other.

[PhyrraM]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5462993139_163c292a8e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5462993139/)
Espera-Sbarro Turbo S20_07_04 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5462993139/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

[Kalstar]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5462993139_163c292a8e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5462993139/)
Espera-Sbarro Turbo S20_07_04 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5462993139/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

Throw a windshield on that car and change the hood/headlights slightly and 'we have a winner".

[redsharK]

Based on the basic chassis layout, I think the end result in designs will fall into these style of cars
Venturi, YES!, the Sbarro pictured above, the K1-attack, stratos and mazda Furai

http://www.carforums.net/reviews/makes/pictures/venturi03.jpg

[HealeyRick]

Based on the basic chassis layout, I think the end result in designs will fall into these style of cars
Venturi, YES!, the Sbarro pictured above, the K1-attack, stratos and mazda Furai

http://www.carforums.net/reviews/makes/pictures/venturi03.jpg

I think you're probably right. The trick with these roadster concepts is going to be able to integrate a top and some side windows (as seems to be a stated goal of the design concept) and still keep it looking good.

[subyrod]

Hey Rotr8, since I'm not a designer, I'm kind of trying to use what I can find on the net and take pieces of what I like. Those like you who can actually come up with an original design because of your skills and equipment have an edge on me. Can't wait to see what designers will produce. What I worry about is that an original design gets too "crazy", too futuristic. Certain car designs are successful and have that soul and energy you mentioned because of the basic shape. Cars that have lots of lines, vents, scoops, intricasies are overdone and thus ugly. What I was hoping with this thread is that people post in pics or designs of what they think is good lookin' (and functional) to get designers seeing what we like as potential customers.
If FFR did its own rendition of a stratos, 918, furai, etc, I wouldn't be opposed either. But, truth be told, I think many would like to own something unique. But being unique it MUST, it HAS to look and perform great. You don't wanna ruin a great chassis/drivetrain/driving experience wiht a gaudy/ugly/overdone exterior.

[Flyinglow]

I know a lot people will focus on the front of the car, but I think the sides and rear of the vehicle need to be remembered of what is being used come into play. Those such things as an intercooler fed from side scoops so we don't have to use the small wrx top mount intercooler and can use a bigger intercooler for those that want a few more ponies in their car. Something that can handle wider and bigger wheels and tires instead of 16 and 17 inch varieties, somewhere in the 8.5 to 9.5 wide in the rear. I plan on doing a cosworth build in the 375 range so want meat on the ground. Also figuring a removable top, what about sotrage under the front for said top?

[MikeK]

Well if we are going for replica, the 918 gets my vote. One design that I really want would have wide rear flares, so that I can use a much wider than stock rear tire, with a deep dish rim. I hate that flat face wheel look, I built my MKII with pin drive offset for that reason.

[Rotr8]

Hey Rotr8, since I'm not a designer, I'm kind of trying to use what I can find on the net and take pieces of what I like. Those like you who can actually come up with an original design because of your skills and equipment have an edge on me. Can't wait to see what designers will produce. What I worry about is that an original design gets too "crazy", too futuristic. Certain car designs are successful and have that soul and energy you mentioned because of the basic shape. Cars that have lots of lines, vents, scoops, intricasies are overdone and thus ugly. What I was hoping with this thread is that people post in pics or designs of what they think is good lookin' (and functional) to get designers seeing what we like as potential customers.
If FFR did its own rendition of a stratos, 918, furai, etc, I wouldn't be opposed either. But, truth be told, I think many would like to own something unique. But being unique it MUST, it HAS to look and perform great. You don't wanna ruin a great chassis/drivetrain/driving experience wiht a gaudy/ugly/overdone exterior.

Totally agree subyrod, just for some background, Im a traditional artist. Went to Maryland Institute College of Art (MICA) did internships at several independent engineering firms and wound up being hired as the first ever artist within the Government (US Army) to assist in designing future combat equipment and vehicles. Ive been there for 6yrs now, designing for our troops overseas is great, but my ultimate dream would be to see one of my designs rolling down the street. Ive previously partnered with several small automotive companies that are interested in their own bespoke design. I'm a die hard Rotor Head and was offered an opportunity to design for the internationally know Pettit Racing. The owners interest were to design an original car based off the RX7 FDS chassis to compete in time attacks, ALMS, and the Rolex series. He would fund the race team by building road going versions of the race spec car. These designs are 2 yrs old already and the design has been refined and currently being built. Front engine rear RWD 3 Rotor.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2dbuqo1.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/15pitkm.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/30t5krb.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/tase8p.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/sdfhbd.jpg

The 3/4s of the street versions are on my computer at work The street version doesnt have the fender flares, or the agressive vents in the hood and the side of the bumper behind the oil coolers,,,

REMOVED!

The designs Im doing for this design challenge I feel are much better and refined, Im really excited to share them once the competition opens up




I know a lot people will focus on the front of the car, but I think the sides and rear of the vehicle need to be remembered of what is being used come into play. Those such things as an intercooler fed from side scoops so we don't have to use the small wrx top mount intercooler and can use a bigger intercooler for those that want a few more ponies in their car. Something that can handle wider and bigger wheels and tires instead of 16 and 17 inch varieties, somewhere in the 8.5 to 9.5 wide in the rear. I plan on doing a cosworth build in the 375 range so want meat on the ground. Also figuring a removable top, what about sotrage under the front for said top?

Yeup, I mainly start out with side views, its alot quicker to flush out an overall design, then comes the front and back.

[Magnus]

Peugeot has some cool ideas:
http://www.carforums.net/reviews/makes/pictures/peugeot12.jpg

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Peugeot-4002_rear.jpg

http://www.carformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/prana.jpg

[redsharK]

Javan R1
http://www.cartype.com/pics/3570/small/javan_r1_s.jpg
http://www.cartype.com/pics/3570/small/javan_r1_r.jpg
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2006/08/medium_javan_r1.jpg
http://www.javansportscars.com/index.htm

[redsharK]

Murtaya - awd front engined wrx based kit car in the uk
http://www.murtaya.com/Pictures/Detailed-Murtaya-2.jpg
http://www.murtaya.com/PicturesVolume4.shtml

[redsharK]

GTM spyder (british kit)
http://www.teamgtm.com/forsaleimages/Tim_Brabants_TimObliqueSpyder.jpg
http://www.gtmspyder.nl/spyderdave.jpg

[redsharK]

The Rudolph Roadster
http://www.rudolph-roadster.de/html/images/spyder/img0000007s.jpg
http://www.rudolph-roadster.de/html/images/spyder/img0000008s.jpg
http://www.rudolph-roadster.de/html/images/spyder/img0000010s.jpg

[BrandonDrums]

I nominate you Rotr8! You've got some real talent man. Now I wish I could sponsor you or something for the contest. How do we start a thread to vote on designers/designs??

Awesome stuff man!!

[keys2heaven]

I nominate you Rotr8! You've got some real talent man. Now I wish I could sponsor you or something for the contest. How do we start a thread to vote on designers/designs??

Awesome stuff man!!

+1

While vintage has its place, I'm hoping that this vehicle can inspire something truly unique in a 95" wheelbase. Curves are sexy.

[PhyrraM]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/5465540940_b6a5265dbf_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540940/)
2000hyundai_neos_23 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540940/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5134/5464942555_eb5d89f90a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5464942555/)
2000hyundai_neos_s1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5464942555/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/5464942539_1f40f31a4b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5464942539/)
99seat_formula_1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5464942539/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/5465540836_883c0a37ab.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540836/)
2001suzuki_gsx-r4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540836/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5258/5464942467_eac2321d81.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5464942467/)
1999_Alfa_Romeo_Centauri_Spider_Design-sketch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5464942467/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5058/5465540768_0081c231a4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540768/)
98plymouth_pronto_spyder_s04 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540768/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5019/5465540754_ebc2de774e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540754/)
1998_Plymouth_Pronto_Spyder_Concept_Early-Design-Sketch_02 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5465540754/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr


Anybody know a good, free Photoshop type of program to start morphing some of the pics folks have posted into original designs? I could never actually do some of this from scratch.

[Tyson]

This is along the lines of what I was thinking - Ferrari Zobin concept:

http://i56.tinypic.com/14wueeb.jpg

http://www.automotto.org/entry/ferrari-zobin-concept-inspired-by-formula-1/

If the new car was something like this I would buy one and drive it everyday of the week and twice on sunday. Two seats are nice, but a car like this would so much fun both on the street and on the track.

[Tyson]

Seating like the older McClaren F1 would be cool too.....driver center position with two passenger seats on either side slightly behind.

[ddorrer]

I like the Renault Alpine revival that was canned. Gullwing doors are a must.

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/images/news/9062/renault_dezir_concept_4.jpg

[ddorrer]

How about this one:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wPAnxBpIJwQ/TGvIRphAvUI/AAAAAAAAADo/Bji_QDubjqI/s1600/renault_alpine_concept2.jpg

[Seagondollar]

The one I've been able to afford, so far:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_e1WBzNPg_Lg/TIzvqdOe-sI/AAAAAAAABWM/kXxDri0FxtI/s640/MR2%20in%20driveway.jpg

But given a clean drawing board, I'd make a few changes to it.

[BOOGIE]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5462993139_163c292a8e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5462993139/)
Espera-Sbarro Turbo S20_07_04 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5462993139/) by phyrram (http://www.flickr.com/people/23291496@N04/), on Flickr
WOW this is realy cool looking!!!

[redsharK]

Bizzarrini P538
http://www.tuvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008-scuderia-bizzarrini-p538-barchetta-prototype1.jpg

http://content.wallpapers-room.com/resolutions/1856x1392/2/Wallpapers-room_com___2008-Scuderia-Bizzarrini-p538-Barchetta-Prototype-Red-Rear-Top_1856x1392.jpg

[redsharK]

Suzuki GSX-r4 (pictures of actual car)
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200511/2001-suzuki-gsx-r-4-6_800x0w.jpg
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200511/2001-suzuki-gsx-r-4-4_800x0w.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/5916973_363e4c6317.jpg

[redsharK]

Edag show car
http://www.cars-wallpapers.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/edag-show-car-no-8.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Edag/edag_show_car_no8_manu_002.jpg
pinninfarina enjoy
http://www.cars-wallpapers.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/pininfarina-enjoy-concept.jpg
http://www.vipcar.com.vn/media/800x600/Pininfarina-Enjoy_2005_wallpaper_07.jpg

[redsharK]

Idea Era
http://www.nekoauto.com/wp-content/gallery/I.DE.AERAconcept/05-idea-era-render.jpg
http://www.nekoauto.com/wp-content/gallery/I.DE.AERAconcept/01-idea-era-render.jpg

[redsharK]

Sbarro GT4
http://www.carsoftheworld.eu/images/news/Sbarro%20Concept%20GT4%20_2010III_2.jpg
http://www.carsoftheworld.eu/images/news/Sbarro%20Concept%20GT4%20_2010III_1.jpg

[redsharK]

Stratos Concept
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/stratos.jpg

[redsharK]

Lambo Ferruccio
http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/Lamborghini_Ferruccio_concept_side.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/Lamborghini_Ferruccio_concept_rear.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images_2/Lamborghini_Ferruccio_concept.jpg

[redsharK]

pininfarina rossa
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/pininfarina_rossa_side.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/pininfarina_rossa_rear.jpg

[Bill_H]

http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/blueprintsio5.jpg

"You know that little ball you put on the aerial so you can find your car in a parking lot? That should be on every car! And some things are so snazzy they never go out of style — like tail fins! And bubble domes! And shag carpeting" - H. Simpson

[redsharK]

"You know that little ball you put on the aerial so you can find your car in a parking lot? That should be on every car! And some things are so snazzy they never go out of style — like tail fins! And bubble domes! And shag carpeting" - H. Simpson

Kind of like this? The unused awd driveshaft output could be used to run the propeller.
http://tecknicolor.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/silverparajetskycar.jpg

or

http://www.hartworks.net/images/jetson-car.png

[sonicrex]

WOW this is realy cool looking!!!
I like this one as well. Looks good without being too over the top.

[Kalstar]

How about this

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

Bizzarrini P538
http://www.tuvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008-scuderia-bizzarrini-p538-barchetta-prototype1.jpg

http://content.wallpapers-room.com/resolutions/1856x1392/2/Wallpapers-room_com___2008-Scuderia-Bizzarrini-p538-Barchetta-Prototype-Red-Rear-Top_1856x1392.jpg

That's HOT!

[Sergio]

the more I look at these last concept cars the more I like the Attack Design.

[Oppenheimer]

the more I look at these last concept cars the more I like the Attack Design.

+1
.

[BOOGIE]

Here are a few

[PhyrraM]

Just some thoughts on how produceable some of the shapes and details might be. My biggest fear is that it will look like a kit car. Finding the balance between cost and complexity, OEM type of details and "kit car blandness" is not going to be easy. What's going to make, or break, the styling on this car is designing it for a fiberglass mold from the beginning. To avoid shapes and situtations that would set the design up for failure from the starting gate.

For an OEM look it seems like many smaller molds would give a more professional, finished look. Obviously to meet cost targets, fewer molds would be preferable. Again, the goal is to find the balance in the design phase - not force a balance after a design has been selected.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Porsches/zoom.jpg

Too racecar. Ditch some of the racecar details, they make it look busy. Sexy overall shape though.


http://www.auto-power-girl.com/high-resolution-wallpapers/yes-3_2-roadster-live/yes-3_2-roadster-live-2008-25.jpg

Very appropriate. Good looking, streetable. The front bumper is low, but still "real-world, real-roads". Looks like it could be done in fiberglass without losing the overal character. Headlights would be hard to do "on the cheap" for a kit. The one thing that stands out as "kit car" on the GTM is the cheap looking light covers.


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5462993139_163c292a8e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23291496@N04/5462993139/)

Good headlight design. Looks good with off-the-shelf projectors, but no risk of possibly "tacky" looking plastic covers. The light nacelles should be easy to do in fiberglass (or even plastic with volume). Raise this to 'real world' level and I can see little wrong with the overall shape. How expensive is a low volume windshield? Or try to use some OEM windshield? On this one you could even eliminate (or make optional) the lower red sections on/near the doors and end up with a "exo" type of look without the frame showing. Again this one looks like it could be done in fiberglass without losing the detail and 'feel' of the car.


http://www.carforums.net/reviews/makes/pictures/venturi03.jpg

This one looks "dumpy" to me, but it also looks very easy to do with fiberglass molds. It already looks like a kit car to me. The lower lip doesn't look feasable for the street. It does look fairly easy to graft on a proper windshield without loosing the 'lines' of the car-something that might be a challange with the above example.

More to come...........

[PhyrraM]

http://www.carforums.net/reviews/makes/pictures/peugeot12.jpg

The windshield doesn't match the car. The hood is long, like a traditional front engined roadster. Lights are busy, but I'm not sure the character of the car would survive if simpler (cheaper) ones were substituted. I like the really short front overhang, makes for a good real world approach angle.


http://www.carformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/prana.jpg

I like this, but I'm having a hard time visualizing it with real wheels and tires. Also looks front engined and not sure the proportions would still look as good if shifted to the


http://www.cartype.com/pics/3570/small/javan_r1_s.jpg
http://www.cartype.com/pics/3570/small/javan_r1_r.jpg
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2006/08/medium_javan_r1.jpg

Again, already looks like a kit to me. I do like the headlights without the cover, but maybe paint the housing black for more contrast. Also make it a sperate piece that bolts into the body. The back looks like a Cobra kit. Could be a good thing or a bad thing. FFR does make the Roadster afterall. The 3/4 view (last pic) looks pretty acceptable overall, but nothing sticks out as execptional either.



http://www.teamgtm.com/forsaleimages/Tim_Brabants_TimObliqueSpyder.jpg
http://www.gtmspyder.nl/spyderdave.jpg

Total kit car. While a good overall shape, it still just screams kit car. Headlights, again..bad. Now, take the shape and re-detail the car and we might hace something. I really like the hood vents on the bottom pic, at least from that angle. OEM quality side mirrors and "fixing" the side vents would go a long ways. Maybe some subtle side skirts/mouldings to better match the front lip?

[Bill_H]

That orange car just has too much of a "cute" look. I love the Porsche 918's design. It not only looks amazing, but it looks like it would be much better to drive than the more outrageous concept car designs.

I totally agree with using small molds to get an OEM look. Having one big shell can make the car look like it has a vacuum formed Lexan radio controlled car body.

The original McLaren F1 has a good look, and it has aged really well.
http://www.supercarstats.com/wallpaper/mclaren/mclarenf1_800.jpg

[labmonkee]

Throw a windshield on that car and change the hood/headlights slightly and 'we have a winner".
+ 1.
I love the tail lights on that 918 RSR
And i agree with above post Re: kitcar finish.
I'm thinking the design needs big side vents due to turbo heat. also radiator config - ? is there space at the back for radiator/ IC?. Also Subaru's traditionally have a top mounted IC + bonnet scoop, are they planning to keep that stock to keep the build costs down also? Unless they are planning some sort of air flow system (ala rampod!) that runs between and beneath the passengers (traditional trans tunnel location). Some insight into chassis design and dimensions would help us here.

[DougR]

Lot's of great ideas here that can be incorporated into a winning design. I really like the thinking and designs from ROTR8, glad to have you aboard. I'm predicting a great shoot out between ROTR8 and KOUROS. I'm really looking forward to this!

[Turboguy]

My god- there's some REAL ugly cars posted in this thread


How about we sex it up a bit and look at something Pagani Zonda-ish?

race:
http://cars.topsite10.com/data/media/1/2009-Pagani-Zonda-R-Front-And-Side-1280x960.jpg

or street:
http://tekfond.com/curiosity/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Pagani_Zonda3.jpg

[keys2heaven]

I too like the idea of headlight nacelles. Easy to mold, easy to install. Yes, the GTM light covers are lacking and I think detracts from the rest of the car.

[Rotr8]

My god- there's some REAL ugly cars posted in this thread

Amen I thought it was just me.
This turned into a "every roadster that never saw more than probably a yrs worth of production, from the 1990s"

Thank you T-guy

[PhyrraM]

I also see lots of supercars posted. While supercars look great for what they are, they will not translate well to this FFR car.

They are too low and the front overhang is usually too long to be everyday driveable. The wheelbase is 95" and the width is that of a WRX. The long, low, wide styling that works on a supercar, will likely fail miserably when scaled to the FFR required size, including passenger compartment considerations.

And then we all know what the *usual* (not always) result of attempting a "kit car" supercar - the result of ugly.

[redsharK]

I also see lots of supercars posted. While supercars look great for what they are, they will not translate well to this FFR car.

They are too low and the front overhang is usually too long to be everyday driveable. The wheelbase is 95" and the width is that of a WRX. The long, low, wide styling that works on a supercar, will likely fail miserably when scaled to the FFR required size, including passenger compartment considerations.

And then we all know what the *usual* (not always) result of attempting a "kit car" supercar - the result of ugly.

+1 - well said

[BOOGIE]

Hell I like this one

[MikeK]

Hell I like this one
X2 I'll build that

[iamsam]

My favorite overall design today is the 918. Modern & classic without being too kit, too exotic or too bland. I also like Lotus' newly proposed design language. The lotus and porsche are both forward thinking designs IMO.

[Cooluser23]

I really hope the design is something daily driveable.

That means I want a windshield and a roof, and windows and it has to be street legal.

Besides the Lancia Stratos already mentioned, I like the design of these compact cars:

Lotus Evora
http://www.cartype.com/pics/6419/full/lotus_evora_sf1_10.jpg

Mc Laren MP4-12C
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wSUG_ibJWC4/Sv24ThgjwsI/AAAAAAAAAs0/oAW_ZBwQ8Qw/s400/2011-McLaren-MP4-12C-Super-Sports-Car-1.jpg

Artega GT
http://www.cartype.com/pics/6938/full/artega_gt_1_09.jpg

Tesla Roadster
http://www.favstocks.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/0642d_filesphpfileTeslaRoadster25jpg
While I don't want a copy of any of them, I hope they can serve as inspiration for a truly modern and fun design.

[OregonDave]

Maserati Birdcage

712

[Oppenheimer]

I really hope the design is something daily driveable.

That means I want a windshield and a roof, and windows and it has to be street legal.

Besides the Lancia Stratos already mentioned, I like the design of these compact cars:

Lotus Evora
http://www.cartype.com/pics/6419/full/lotus_evora_sf1_10.jpg

Mc Laren MP4-12C
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wSUG_ibJWC4/Sv24ThgjwsI/AAAAAAAAAs0/oAW_ZBwQ8Qw/s400/2011-McLaren-MP4-12C-Super-Sports-Car-1.jpg

Artega GT
http://www.cartype.com/pics/6938/full/artega_gt_1_09.jpg

Tesla Roadster
http://www.favstocks.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/0642d_filesphpfileTeslaRoadster25jpg
While I don't want a copy of any of them, I hope they can serve as inspiration for a truly modern and fun design.

Agree with you 100%. Also looking for DD-able, weather-tight top. Also like the 918 (esp coupe), the recent Lotii, and the pics you posted are the best examples of inspiriation I've yet seen. Agree that I don't want a copy of any of these, just something along these lines.

I'd like to see more angles of that Artega GT.

[redsharK]

The 918 is a current Porsche design concept, I think they would be more than a tad upset if FFR made a low cost version.

The idea of this thread is to discuss "Design ideas-benchmarking from the best" that will work within the specs that David Smith has stated.

I too want a design I can use as a daily driver, but I am also fine with storing it for the winter.
It also needs to be girlfriend friendly as far as access and her wanting to be seen in it and maybe even drive it.
Nothing too snobbish or outlandish looking like some super cars are and NOT too feminine like a Miata.
It also has to NOT freak out the insurance companies and agents or it will fail.

[Oppenheimer]

The 918 is a current Porsche design concept, I think they would be more than a tad upset if FFR made a low cost version.



Of course, but we're talking about 'inspiration' here, right? I see no reason why the 918, and other cars as well, couldn't serve as inspiration. The GTM isn't a rip-off of a GT-40, but it appears to have at least been in mind when it was designed. The GTM is an original design, and looks fantastic. There were probably a few designs that helped inspire it.

[redsharK]

Agreed, but I am really hoping there is a nice original design or 2 in the contest.
I want a car that isn't going to make me stand out like a sore thumb in my work parking lot, but still looks good.
The K1 is a nice looking car, but it looks like a $50k+ super car and screams "HEY LOOK AT ME!". :-/

[D2W]

The GTM is an original design, and looks fantastic. There were probably a few designs that helped inspire it.

You mean like the VBM 4000 GTC :)
DP

[Rotr8]

^^^ Damn I tend to think Ive seen almost every car out there, but never seen the VBM GTC, or maybe assumed it was a GTM in the first place. I was thinking GT40 and Mosler primarily.

[Horhay]

I'd really like to see it look like it is built to compete with a Porsche Cayman. Nice clean, stylish lines and nothing too over the top. Coincidentally the FFR car has a wheelbase and powertrain layout very similar to the Cayman.

[Seagondollar]

Along the lines of practicality (also spelled - cheapness) I've seen a couple of folks suggest roll up windows. That not only suggests cranking mechanisms (electric), but glass, rubber seals, etc. So where to get these from?

Hmmmm ---- the donor Subaru?

http://photos.webridestv.com/datastore/images/user/11f137c495080055faf1a7e770bad7a0/Subaru_WRX_Photos_30593_20080223_l.jpg

Well, I suspect that makes for OK sightlines from the driver's seat. But it also tends to define (or force?) some of the body lines.

Am I out of line here? We gotta get glass from somewhere and it may not be cheap, otherwise.

[Rotr8]

I would prefer new glass(or polycarbonate) if anything(In terms of a longer door). Nothing kills the looks of a coupe like shorter Saloon/Sedan door proportions.

[Bill_H]

Anybody know a good, free Photoshop type of program to start morphing some of the pics folks have posted into original designs? I could never actually do some of this from scratch.

Take a look at GIMP (Gnu Image Manipulation Program) it is very powerful and 100% free. If you are feeling adventurous, Blender is a very good 3D rendering program that is also free.

[Rotr8]

Blender takes some time to learn, Nurbs are weird if you've never used a modeling program before.

[subyrod]

Here are some mid engine rear drive cars built in a style that really appeals to me. This is the kind of look I'll be after. Plus, these are all MR cars so maybe it can give the designers some looks and styles and aero bits for their designs.
First up are some NSX beauties.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/2.jpg
I'm a huge white wheel fan. This red one is full of aero parts for track days.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/3280920226_7da92b235d.jpg
This one is just super clean. The NSX has great lines. Its a long car, too long for this 95" wb design, but its got some great proportions and lines.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/6.jpg
Here's a turbo'd NSX and how they directed air to the top mounted intercooler.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/batairport.jpg
mmm... black on black.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/NSX_01.jpg
boom, nice one here too.

[subyrod]

Next up are some good lookin' Toyota MR-2s. The poor man's Ferrari.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/sw20-trd2000gt.jpg
This one even looks like an F40 with that wing and widebody treatment.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/mix13.jpg
Track monster here. I really like add on flares.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/crazyshift.jpg
This one is cool, but too edgy on the wide body, doesn't quite match up with the rest of the car, but this thing moves at Tsukuba.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/24248090002_large.jpg
This gives a good view of the MR-2s profile. Very simple, no crazy lines or angles. Almost too simple though for today. The MR-2 looks a little outdated, pop up headlights and all.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/08HJI310211425AA.jpg
Found this when searching for MR-2s/Ss, I think its an MR-S that has a crazy kit on it. It has very simple lines as well.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/IMG_0135.jpg
Hard to find MR-Ss that look good. I like this one.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/mix10.jpg
...and this one is cool too. Track cars always look purposeful.

[subyrod]

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/mix3.jpg
Nice aero mods here.

Oldschool MR-2 can be cool too...
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/IMG_338220copy.jpg
There's those white wheels again, I just dig white wheels on any color really. I like the sharp 80's edges of the MR-2 1st gen.

And a few Exige's I liked
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/Lotus_Exige_Trackday_by_jackdarton.jpg
Track monster. I like the wide fenders.
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/_IMG_7478_panos_pp.jpg
Just dig this photo. What a purty shape no?

[Benji]

These in my opinion on the ONLY way to make an MR-S look REALLY nice (APR bodykit in both cars):

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7/sdc10107gt8.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5913/sdc10109de5.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4332/sdc10146pm0.jpg
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9683/sdc10133sd3.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9929/sdc10460.jpg

[Benji]

Note that whilst this white car also looks nice, I think the black A-pilers and black roof on the above car make it (this car started white and ended up the beautiful gun mental grey colour after):

http://spyderchat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1820&d=1272293095
http://spyderchat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1822&d=1272293095
http://spyderchat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1823&d=1272293095
http://www1.garaget.org/archive/24/23123/43763/large_43763-2131154.jpg

[Benji]

http://www1.garaget.org/archive/24/23123/43763/large_43763-1939518.jpg
http://www1.garaget.org/archive/24/23123/43763/large_43763-2086415.jpg
http://www1.garaget.org/archive/24/23123/43763/large_43763-1939519.jpg
http://www1.garaget.org/archive/24/23123/43763/large_43763-1939520.jpg


Also remember that the lil MR-S is around 900-950kg and that is a PRODUCTION car which runs airbags and abs and air-con etc with metal body panels (~2000lbs) so 1800lbs should be very do-able!

[Rotr8]

I owned a second gen MR2 and we always poked fun at the MRS guys but that last wide kit is super clean, very nice

[Olimk2]

Wiesmann (germany) presents a new car at Geneva, no doors, no roof, no windows, wheels at the corners, but front engine (bmw).

[subyrod]

Agreed with above, the wide body MR-S is good lookin'. Looking at teh wheelbases of the 3 Gen's of MR toyota:

1st Gen 91.3" wheelbase and 2350lbs 155.5" long and 65.6" wide
2nd Gen 94.5" wheelbase 2600-2800lbs (Ttop cars are heavier) 164.2" long and 66.9" wide
3rd Gen 96.5" wheelbase 2200lbs 153" long, 66.7" wide

WRX's are 68.1" - 68.5" for sedans. That's about 2 inches wider.

[Olimk2]

Here is the donor part list to make a Murtaya (4wd), gives an idea...

http://www.murtaya.com/DonorPartsList.pdf

[iamsam]

I'd really like to see it look like it is built to compete with a Porsche Cayman. Nice clean, stylish lines and nothing too over the top. Coincidentally the FFR car has a wheelbase and powertrain layout very similar to the Cayman.

+1 on this.

[Olimk2]

It will be similar in size and layout but the Porsche is a "luxury" sport car, and the FFR will be more oriented toward pure sportscar like a lotus.

[jetsetter468]

Hey subyrod, love the direction your thinking, Im thinking along the same lines, I was looking thru april 2011 car and driver mag came across
pixs of 2014 porsche 918 rsr concept- love the look, also 2013 lotus espirit looks great and lastly the mc laren mp4-12c
would be great to have a body design with some of these lines...

[bromikl]

http://4carwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/artega-gt-1.jpg

I really love the profile of the Artega GT 04,

http://4carwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/lotus_evora_1.jpg

I'd also like to see a hood vent like the Lotus Evora.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/is-second-generation/193969d1292427995-euroteck-motorsports-new-carbon-fiber-rear-diffuser-is350-is250-f430_press-rear.jpg

Rear diffuser is a must. Side vent for the front brakes suggested, as well as LED tail lights and off-the-shelf projector headlamps.
But really, guys. Once they choose the design and you see the car, you'll love it - even if it looks like a Stratos. ?)
Re: the roadster/coupe/roll bar discussion, there is a really strong argument for modular construction. Choose the version you want to build, and bolt on the roof and/or body pieces you want. My preference is a removable targa top stored behind the seats. A track car would be useless to me. As I live in Wisconsin, it's gotta be street-able in all types of weather.

[bromikl]

I simply LOVE the profile of the Artega GT. Not so much from other angles - too rounded.

http://www.distrocars.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2008-Artega-GT-Left-Side-590x428.jpg

Hood vents as in the Lotus Evora would be better than excellent.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSB4j7pSk6kLNJQVvKPf5ZBiFvuia6Av DmzTn0cyGc4PjolhGNp

A rear diffuser is a MUST-HAVE.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/is-second-generation/193969d1292427995-euroteck-motorsports-new-carbon-fiber-rear-diffuser-is350-is250-f430_press-rear.jpg

Beyond that, door vents for the front brakes would be sweet. Same with an optional roof scoop.

Re: the roadster/coupe/roll cage discussion, there is an excellent argument to be made for a modular roof design. Simply choose the version you want to build, and bolt on the roof and/or body pieces you want. My personal preference is a removable Targa top that stores behind the seats.

In any event, a sunny-day-only vehicle would be useless to me. As I live in Wisconsin, it has to be comfortably drivable in most weather conditions. Like anyone else interested in this design, I cannot afford to build a $15,000 garage decoration. :cool:

[redsharK]

http://www.imca-slotracing.com/images/908-02-ADAC69-nr2bis.jpg
http://www.imca-slotracing.com/images/908-03-nr20-recent.jpg
http://www.shorey.net/auto/American/Ford/Concept%20Cars%20-%20Ford%20Indigo%20V12.jpg
http://www.shorey.net/auto/American/Ford/Ghia/1992%20Ford%20Ghia%20Focus%20Concept-fVl=mx=.jpg
http://www.shorey.net/auto/American/Ford/Ghia/1992%20Ford%20Ghia%20Focus%20Concept-rV=mx=.jpg

[Horhay]

It will be similar in size and layout but the Porsche is a "luxury" sport car, and the FFR will be more oriented toward pure sportscar like a lotus.

My position is that I don't want a car that looks like a mini Lamborghini Murcielago but goes like a Porsche Boxster. I'd rather the car start with the looks of the Boxster and the ability to upgrade the performance to keep up with the supercars.

The Elise is fine to look at, but it doesn't have the oomph to back up it's looks. Id sooner buy this kit if it were less dramatically styled than the Elise.

[Doc_FFR]

Did I miss something? Why all the Toyota MR2 body kits? I thought we were doing a WRX donor, not an MR2. :confused:

[Rotr8]

^^^ Thats post just simply was stating that the MRS chassis has a very simular wheelbase as the donor, thats all.

[Seagondollar]

The MR2 is also mid engined (although transverse inline 4 cyl) and the older ones are affordable. Plus they can be made to run like scared cats and still get good MPG from 1600cc to 2200cc (?). Kind of in our field.

[Olimk2]

Ok Horhay! It seems we have two groups, one wishing a "dramatic" little supercar, one wishing something sporty but "elegant".

[redsharK]

Obviously this isn't mid engined...
http://log.autogespot.com/02-2011/wiesmannr/th/2.jpg
http://log.autogespot.com/02-2011/wiesmannr/th/1.jpg

I agree on the elegant looking without being outlandish or garish
Plain looking fast cars help keep your insurance rates and ticket count lower.

[Olimk2]

I am in the stylish but no garish too!!

[Olimk2]

The vw roadster "concept r" and "bluesport" are neat too...

[Hondaslayer]

And it just hit me, Ford RS200 but modernized.

We could re-use the 2002 - 2003 Impreza headlamps and foglamps and the car has a history of rally victories to boot!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Ford_RS200_001.JPG

[redsharK]

The rs200 has a nice snorkel for an air intake too

[Olimk2]

The rs 200 had a lot of sierra (merkur in usa) parts! Same concept in some ways!

[Olimk2]

Already done some sketches with 2002 headlamps...turns into porsche style quickly!

Enjoying this forum a lot! A lot of knowledge from real car enthousiasts here!!!!

Another to look at is the Renault spider 1995, they tried to do a french elise, still weights a ton...(wheels and brakes from 250hp alpine v6TT oversized for a 150hp 4pot car...)

[Olimk2]

http://www.lusomotors.com/LM%2023.html

Have a look at this guys, bike or SUBARU POWERED TRACK CAR!!!

It's from portugal, very talented, known for having designed a modern 246 dino quite sexy...

[iamsam]

http://www.lusomotors.com/LM%2023.html

Have a look at this guys, bike or SUBARU POWERED TRACK CAR!!!

It's from portugal, very talented, known for having designed a modern 246 dino quite sexy...

There already are a handful of track only subaru engined cars (including an exo-skeleton one ala Arial Atom) that someone can choose from. I don't think FFR would go through all this trouble to make something that already exists. I get the feeling they are trying to offer something entirely unique. My bet is they will come up with something that will go great on the track, but will also be at home on the street. I'm thinking it will offer track-car like performance like an Atom, minimal interior/engineering like a lotus (or actually, like a subaru :) ) and an exterior design that is stylish and 'performant' without being gaudy or super car like. I don't really see this project going any other way, except for maybe the exterior being more aggressive.

If you want a track car, with a subaru engine, you can have it already under 20k.

[Olimk2]

I agree 100% with you, it was only to review what's nice and sub powered...

[Benji]

The vw roadster "concept r" and "bluesport" are neat too...

That's a good point actually, here's the Bluesport, similar concept to the FFR I would imagine:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01237/Vw_1237977c.jpg
http://im.in.com/media/download/wallpapers/2009/Jan/vw_bluesport_rear_420x315.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-xIhTChljMc/SwvamsfuqNI/AAAAAAAAADk/ARSfqMiEjfs/s1600/Volkswagen-Blue-Sport-Roadster-backangle.jpg
http://www.yosax.com/car_images/volkswagen-bluesport-interior.jpg

Personally I think the Bluesport looks nicer than the Concept-R

[Olimk2]

Released today! Alfa 4c, stunning! Whellbase aroud '95! Less than a ton...
http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/23267/Alfa4c_2-L.jpg
http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/23267/Alfa4c_3-L.jpg

[Seagondollar]

Alfa's new mid-engined 4C at Geneva. Not as elegant IMO as the 8C (fenders a bit too high), but something to throw into the pot.

From AutoBlog: (nice front, though.)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/03/110301ar4cconcept01.jpg

[Bill Shaw]

Bertone Mantide

http://p-928.home.comcast.net/mantide.jpg

Zagato Perana

792

[Olimk2]

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Volkswagen/vw_ecoracer_manu-001.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Volkswagen/vw_ecoracer_manu-008.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Volkswagen/vw_ecoracer_manu-006.jpg

VW ecoracer, have a look at the clever roof ...No windscreen option as well.

[AVIONX]

PLease build me this car!!!!!800

[AVIONX]

The 2013 has everything going for it. Mid-Rear. Gourgeous, right dimensions, nice roomy cockpit. was originally a 4 cylinder turbo. Best of all....it won;t be out until after a year the Factory Five so it won't be knock off. Actually the Esprit would then be a knockoff of our car. But Seriously. Isn;t it just HOT HOT HOT SMART SEXY TIGHT MODERN CLASSY....

[PhyrraM]

The Alfa above is stunning.

The orange Bertone and the Yellow VW don't do anything for me. In fact the VW from most angles is on the negative side.

Even if it came out first, an Esprit copy would still be a copy....:p

[Justen]

^^ agree with PhyrraM but I do love the look of that 2013 Lotus Esprit. That yellow VW tho... not the best lookin design

[Oppenheimer]

^^ agree with PhyrraM but I do love the look of that 2013 Lotus Esprit. That yellow VW tho... not the best lookin design

+1 on both points. While we wouldn't want to make a direct copy of the new Espirit, no reason someone can't use it as design inspiration for the contest.

I'm hoping the final body design ends up looking more car than bullet though.

[riptide motorsport]

Those Alfa's are stunning! .Steven

[Olimk2]

First an interesting picture
http://thumbsnap.com/s/6089wJFF.jpg

Next, i've seen the 5 Lotus prototypes at the Paris show last year and i can say i stared at them for an hour! Looks even better in real! Top design! Made the Evora outdated right away....

[subyrod]

Cool pic. What is that kit? The shift linkage is quite the assembly, wow. Is that the radiator up against the rear firewall or an intercooler or tall gas tank? Very interesting to see how things are layed out. That has the red intake mani, I wonder if that is the STi 6 speed. I don't see axles in this view, right?

[keys2heaven]

That's one of my concerns is radiator placement. If it turns out it is placed next to the driver/pass compartment, I am assuming duct(s) from the rear roof/targa into the engine bay similar to the GTM? Perhaps side vents? Forgive my ignorance, but wondering out loud.

[AVIONX]

805Something with these proportions and line would be amazing!!!805

[PhyrraM]

It's been posted from FFR that radiator placement is still open....so design to your hearts content!

[Olimk2]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g234/thebionicman/TR-42/Eriksub.jpg

The blue car is a kit "group c" style, but have to search again to tell you the name!!! The thing in front of the engine is the gas tank...

[Olimk2]

Saker cars!
http://www.sakercars.com.au/assets/aus_gallery/P4300293.JPG

Intersting IC feed arrangement!

[Olimk2]

http://www.sakercars.com.au/assets/aus_gallery/106_0663.JPG

[redsharK]

the Yellow VW don't do anything for me. In fact the VW from most angles is on the negative side.

Don't get your hopes raised to high, that yellow VW is a fine car if you can build something that nice for $15k
Kept your hopes and dreams realistic, you aint getting a Ferrari quality design looking car for $15k! Get over it already.

Low expectations and the hope that the design contest will blow our minds is what we all want.
reality is, I hope it aint some god awful interpretation of some narcissistic and/or teenage designers wet dream that is totally unrealistic.

The FFR concept is perfect, I would like the body design to live up to the same expectation.

btw... In general, I hate yellow cars.

Red

[PhyrraM]

Don't get your hopes raised to high, that yellow VW is a fine car if you can build something that nice for $15k
Kept your hopes and dreams realistic, you aint getting a Ferrari quality design looking car for $15k! Get over it already.

Low expectations and the hope that the design contest will blow our minds is what we all want.
reality is, I hope it aint some god awful interpretation of some narcissistic and/or teenage designers wet dream that is totally unrealistic.

The FFR concept is perfect, I would like the body design to live up to the same expectation.

btw... In general, I hate yellow cars.

Red

Oh, no worries. I actually prefer NOT to have a exotic/super car clone. In fact the opposite.

Of all the ones posted my favorite is the stubby, chunky Suzuki. It is by far the most producable as a 'kit car' without losing the intent of the original design.

The flirty, playfull, purposely ill proportioned concepts will be the ones that can most withstand the transition from drawings to production without losing the designers intended flavor.

[keys2heaven]

Oh, no worries. I actually prefer NOT to have a exotic/super car clone. In fact the opposite.

Of all the ones posted my favorite is the stubby, chunky Suzuki. It is by far the most producable as a 'kit car' without losing the intent of the original design.

The flirty, playfull, purposely ill proportioned concepts will be the ones that can most withstand the transition from drawings to production without losing the designers intended flavor.

You mean the Suzuki that looks like an Ike & Mike reject. Blech.

Give me a roof (removable) baby and some sexy curves with a F-16 cockpit.

[05xtsy]

My Idea, sending it to the paint booth tonight. It is based off of the measurements. Let me know what you think, All criticism is welcome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/Picture16-1.png

[Cooluser23]

You can always put the gas tank between the seats, like on a Fiero. (As long as it's not in the front, like on the Lamborghini Miura, where the handling changes as the gas tank empties).

[subyrod]

05xtsy, love it. Put some wheels on it! I like the proportions and angles. Is the air intake/intercooler intake scoop between the seats?

[WhirlpoolBrewer]

I went in this thread thinking that I wanted a k-1 attack, and then I saw that alfa romeo... Love at first sight. I know a clone isn't going to happen, but D***! That is best looking car I have ever seen. Period. That is the best looking car ever made, I'll take two please :). I have no clue how we could make a car that is heavily inspired by that, without outright copying it, but thats what I intend on doing.

[Benji]

I went in this thread thinking that I wanted a k-1 attack, and then I saw that alfa romeo... Love at first sight. I know a clone isn't going to happen, but D***! That is best looking car I have ever seen. Period. That is the best looking car ever made, I'll take two please :). I have no clue how we could make a car that is heavily inspired by that, without outright copying it, but thats what I intend on doing.

Agreed, however the Alfa 4C is a front engined car, the FFR concept is mid-rear engined so it's unlikely to have the same lines.

[05xtsy]

05xtsy, love it. Put some wheels on it! I like the proportions and angles. Is the air intake/intercooler intake scoop between the seats?

Hadn't thought about putting an intake there, not sure if that is where it must go. Just designing to design right now. There is still a lot of work to do. This quick sketch was submitted early just to make an intro. I will be adding wheels, coloring it and designing the top, front and back views as well. After that, I will take it into 3D so we can get a more realistic view of it. Designing cars has been a dream of mine for a long time. I hope I can compete with the other submitted designs.

[JRL]

Nice start on your designer dreams 05xtsy. Looks like you have a good area in front of the rear tires for plenty of air intake for cooling / inter-cooler / brakes etc.

[Flashburn]

My Idea, sending it to the paint booth tonight. It is based off of the measurements. Let me know what you think, All criticism is welcome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/Picture16-1.png

Gorgeous. Pencil or photoshop?

[05xtsy]

Well I drew I sketched out a few on paper, but then I went straight to Autodesk Sketchbook (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://image.wareseeker.com/software/Graphic-Apps/CAD/details_autodesk-sketchbook-pro-2009-r1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://wareseeker.com/screenshot/autodesk-sketchbook-pro-2009-r1.exe/6176290&usg=__FCjVUsJByhBqwrw5ihCpmqCcrsI=&h=371&w=560&sz=21&hl=en&start=12&sig2=a5-hPahfl-gGF-T6LgrjyQ&zoom=1&tbnid=dUcXwf2CfZfjkM:&tbnh=141&tbnw=187&ei=ZzdwTcP9HMrZgQeqwPk9&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSketchbook%2Bpro%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6sa%3DN%26biw%3D888%26bih%3D472%26tbs%3Disch:10,23 4&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=321&vpy=185&dur=882&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=178&ty=157&oei=ZDdwTZfSIoabtwfb9NmgDQ&page=2&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:12&biw=888&bih=472) pro and My cintiq (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://developme.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/wacom-cintiq-12wx-2-lg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://developme.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/cintiq-12/&usg=__gUW_9v-13wS0awk_mNNIlDH8V38=&h=961&w=1280&sz=149&hl=en&start=0&sig2=kBDRQiFhml4_eFLXggSPSA&zoom=1&tbnid=Fn1jVzjvfrYycM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=166&ei=tzdwTeOFCIa5tweErb2UDw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcintiq%2B12wx%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26bi w%3D888%26bih%3D472%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=118&vpy=189&dur=1583&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=131&ty=214&oei=tzdwTeOFCIa5tweErb2UDw&page=1&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0).

[AVIONX]

My Idea, sending it to the paint booth tonight. It is based off of the measurements. Let me know what you think, All criticism is welcome.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/Picture16-1.png

Looks good, but, Um. I don't think that is using the required 4.5" ground clearance. And fenders that wrap under the tires has never been done. But fixing the ground clearance will help with some of that.

[05xtsy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/Picture17.png

It is very close, wouldn't really require a whole lot to change that. Thank you for noticing though. Everything helps.

From the contest description, it seems as though the goal here is to get an overall style to the car. Although, I would love to design it to the exact parameters, I don't think that is what they are looking for.

[05xtsy]

And fenders that wrap under the tires has never been done....

Might want to look around before you come to that conclusion.

[Olimk2]

Nice start, but...i would reduce rear overhang to the limit of the given datas. As for exact parameters i doubt the steering wheel will be really there...Be carefull with headroom as well.(again i see the driver sitting high but...)
Keep going!

[Olimk2]

Benji, the alfa 4c is mid engined, it's an "italian elise". The 8c is front engined...

[Benji]

Benji, the alfa 4c is mid engined, it's an "italian elise". The 8c is front engined...

You're absolutely correct, I should get my facts straight. So that's it everybody, ALFA 4C :D

[Oppenheimer]

You're absolutely correct, I should get my facts straight. So that's it everybody, ALFA 4C :D

I'm all for an 'improved Elise'. If it takes inspiration from this Alfa, fine with me. Personally I'd like to see an Elise-like solution, with an even more modular roof (Elise is a Targa, with either option of cloth roof panel (very stowable) or hard panel (creates a virtual hardtop)). Something that looks better, handles/brakes at least as well, has a better power/weight ratio, interior no less spartan, at least as many roof options.

[Niburu]

I wouldn't be opposed to something like a Noble M12

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2957182723_2bcf3cd32e.jpg

[AVIONX]

852
I'm all for an 'improved Elise'. If it takes inspiration from this Alfa, fine with me. Personally I'd like to see an Elise-like solution, with an even more modular roof (Elise is a Targa, with either option of cloth roof panel (very stowable) or hard panel (creates a virtual hardtop)). Something that looks better, handles/brakes at least as well, has a better power/weight ratio, interior no less spartan, at least as many roof options. You mean like the 2013 Lotus Elise??? Excellent idea. Lotus went heavier and more comfy for the 2013 Elise, but We have a lot less stuff. I think that is a gorgeous body that we should use heavily as inspiration. Everything about this FFR car harkens back to the original Lotus Esprits/Europas.

[Bill_H]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TKPQJmaVHZI/AAAAAAADXKU/cQ5VEa21Nw4/s1600/Lamborghini-Sesto-Elemento-4.jpg

I think the Lamborghini Sesto Elemento might be too radical overall, but I like the visible transaxle as a design detail

[Niburu]

Something along the lines of a Noble M12 would also work I think.

[LiquidPT]

Love the Alfa. Let me throw out something completely different to see if it inspires anything:

http://www.instylecars.com/wp-content/gallery/307/morgan-aero-super-sports-32.jpg
Morgan Aero Super Sport

[05xtsy]

Progress

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/Picture18.png

[keys2heaven]

^^^ I like the top.

Are there skirts over the wheels? Working on a front/rear/top/isometric view?

[05xtsy]

Thanks! yes, over the coming months I will be doing all of those views and then putting it into 3D solidworks for a final render.

[05xtsy]

Are there skirts over the wheels?

No, wheels take a good amount of time to get right. I'm going to design a split 5 spoke. I have already quickly sketched them and it makes the car look really good.

[keys2heaven]

05xtsy....will/can top be stowable in vehicle?

[Brian Z]

My vote is for this guy..... hehehe

http://www.newlaunches.com/entry_images/1207/06/phantoms_car.jpg

Brian @ FFR

[05xtsy]

05xtsy....will/can top be stowable in vehicle?


Hadn't thought about it, but now that you bring it up, maybe I can work it in. Would suck to be stuck driving home when the sunshine turns to clouds!

[Justen]

Love your design 05xtsy, looks like the top is fairly flat so making it fit under the front hood would probably not bee too hard. Also, im a big fan of split 5 spoke wheels, cant wait to see them on this body.

[AVIONX]

Hadn't thought about it, but now that you bring it up, maybe I can work it in. Would suck to be stuck driving home when the sunshine turns to clouds!

There are a few existing cars with targas which store onboard. One of which is like the smallest car ever. Fiat X-1/9. The Pontiac Fiero stored a HUGE sunroof almost equivalent to a targa. They all put it under the front hood.

[mjpeters]

05xtsy,

Love the design, can't wait to see the other views and 3d.

Matt

[Warlock]

How about something like a newer Pantera?

http://www.globalmotors.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/de-tomaso-panthera-concept-3-11.jpg

[LiquidPT]

I was thinking aloud to my wife... just how big is a 95" wheel base? So, I decided to look up the specs on my sports car. 95.1". So, just for more inspiration (and I really do mean that. I don't want people to just try and rip off the design. There's some rework to be done here to make it mid engine and kit-able) cuz it's a little different from what others have put forward and it's a well balanced 4cyl turbo (though front engined, but I think a mid engine variation is doable) with a targa top (the targa would need to be similfied a lot, but could probably fit in a front trunk). I give you the Pontiac Solstice Coupe (this is #100 of 1162):

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z277/PT_Cuda/Black%20Sun/imgp3363_edited.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z277/PT_Cuda/Black%20Sun/IMGP3407_edited_edTMP.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z277/PT_Cuda/Black%20Sun/imgp3344_edited-2.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z277/PT_Cuda/Black%20Sun/imgp3331_edited.jpg


OK, I know the front end styling may not be what people are looking for. You could easily do something in the same basic shape but more Saturn Sky (modern angular) styling

http://imotorlist.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/saturn-sky_sidefront11.jpg


Or there was the Delorean concept when they were rumored to be buying the plant and platform from GM

http://jalopnik.com/#!5375647/exclusive-delorean-motor-company-contemplating-building-pontiac-solstice
Just more food for thought.

[05xtsy]

Pretty much done, a few minor touches

Im calling it the FFR Aurora

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/FactoryFive1.jpg

[eagle98ak]

^^I really like this^^

[05xtsy]

Thank you! more to come!

[Vman7]

Here are two sites I like going to for cars, tons to look at for getting ideas. Can look by brand, do searches like "Spyder" etc.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/

[Olimk2]

Came on nicely, you should had some black piece front the side window to support mirror and make the glass smaller and able to go down. Got it's own personality witch is good!

[GUNS]

It looks good man! I'd like to see some more angles. The only things I'm not to crazy about is the squarish side vents and tail lights. Again, it's hard to tell without more angles, but I like the general shape and idea you are going with this. Well done!

[Vman7]

Here are a few sites I like to go to for checking out designs. The first two sites have tons of cars, plus info, spec.s on a lot of the cars.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/
http://www.seriouswheels.com/index.html

[keys2heaven]

Pretty much done, a few minor touches

Im calling it the FFR Aurora

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/FactoryFive1.jpg

Looks like an Apex SF (Street Fighter) to me!

Seriously, I like the stance. Not in your face aggressive while maintaining that sporty look.

What I like:

Headlights...from what I can see

Wheels....love em

The top...make it stowable


Things I need to see more detail on:

The door vents to engine bay...are they really that big vertically?

Taillights...is that a vent next to it? The rear shape reminds me of a the newer Mustangs.

The front grill and hood detail...I know you are working on this.


Things that make me go hmmm:

The door....would it be comfortable for me to put my arm there with that curve?

The wing....more integrated into body?


Aurora to me, means Stealth...as in Project Aurora. And I definitely see a lot of street but would like to see you expand on the stealth.

However, you put me to shame as far as design. This forum would shut down if I posted my artwork.

[05xtsy]

Looks like an Apex SF (Street Fighter) to me!

I'm not familiar with this, maybe you can post a picture of it?





Things I need to see more detail on:

The door vents to engine bay...are they really that big vertically?

Taillights...is that a vent next to it? The rear shape reminds me of a the newer Mustangs.

The front grill and hood detail...I know you are working on this.


I originally made them that tall because I wanted the vents to plant the car and as you go up, the speed of airflow molds the rest of the body. Sort of like a predator sticking it's head forward and ears folded back getting ready to attack.

Yes the taillight has a vent next to it, but its not just a gaping hole it would b plastic mold or carbon fiber or could just be bodycolor. Sort of up to the owner how much money he/she wants to spend. I wanted to lend some sort of modular aspects to it ie; vents, possibly roof and rear wing.

Is the mustang comment a negative?

I was planning on making another modular piece/vent on the hood (in the middle closest to the windshiled) very minimal but as a representation of the line of the wrx hoodscoop. But again very minimal. This piece would also serve as a hand hold for opening the hood and putting in the top.




Things that make me go hmmm:

The door....would it be comfortable for me to put my arm there with that curve?

The wing....more integrated into body?



Im not sure about the comfort level on the arm, I think it would all depend on how high the drivers shoulder was. If you hold your elbow out perpendicular to your body, this line would fallow the arc or your arm elbow to wrist.

The wing is just and add on, and lowers at low speed to be flush with the body (think, mercedes sls)

Thank you so much for the questions and interest. Feedback negative or positive is good.

[keys2heaven]

I'm not familiar with this, maybe you can post a picture of it?

Apex is just one of the names brought up for the new design. It was meant tongue-in-cheek.


Is the mustang comment a negative?

Absolutely not. Just commenting on what it reminds me of.



Im not sure about the comfort level on the arm, I think it would all depend on how high the drivers shoulder was. If you hold your elbow out perpendicular to your body, this line would fallow the arc or your arm elbow to wrist.

I ask because I'm 5' 5" and things like this have an impact.


The wing is just and add on, and lowers at low speed to be flush with the body (think, mercedes sls)

Now that you describe it, I can see this more clearly.


Thank you so much for the questions and interest. Feedback negative or positive is good.

Please don't take anything I write as negative. Just giving you my impression. I really like the stance and the design is not too over the top. An isometric view will really help me see those vent angles better. Hard to visualize (for me at least) 3-D from a side view.

[JRL]

Very very nice 05! If this is any indication of the talent tackling this project we are in great hands - your design (for what you have revealed) is stunning IMHO.

[redsharK]

2005 Ascari KZ1-R
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/1877/786325.jpg

2007 Concept Climax Roadster
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/1877/786364.jpg
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/1877/786879.jpg

[BoxerFanatic]

OK,

so, if Lancia Stratos can get replicated and updated as such:
http://www.ultimatecarblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/The-Old-And-New-Lancia-Stratos.jpg

What is a mid-engined flat 4 sports car that can be updated similarly, rather than being directly replicated.

How about Porsche 904?
http://www.finecars.cc/typo3temp/GB/66cf55130e.jpg

Perhaps with a removeable targa top and frameless windows, instead of a fixed roof, since this project is purported to be open-topped.

Otherwise, if you prefer italian styling, to german styling... The Porsche 914-based ItalDesign Tapiro, with a targa roof, or full roadster top-less.
http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Porsche_Tapiro_Side.jpg

[BoxerFanatic]

Coventry Climax roadster gets my vote, I have liked that one since it was a rendering, but the wheelbase is a bit long for the currently established hard-points.

[LiquidPT]

Huh, I had posted a long post yesterday with some photos in it, and it said it needed to be approved but I haven't seen it show up yet. Mods, if it can't be approved for some reason, please let me know.

[redsharK]

use the icons above where you write your "Quick Reply" to insert pictures.

[BoxerFanatic]

I have one waiting, too. Hopefully they do get released by the moderators at some point.

[05xtsy]

Another one of my submissions/directions. quick 10 min sketch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/FFR2.jpg

[Dave Smith]

I have seen some of the early submissions and I gotta tell you, the second biggest problem is going to be judging (we have a GREAT group of judges and will intro them shortly). The toughest thing will be not having the resouces to build more than one! The concept of using this chassis to support multiple designs was key to this competition, so thats one cool thought.

Dave

[redsharK]

2006 Alfa Diva
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2006/events/villa_d_este/diva/alfa_romeo_diva_4.jpg
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2006/events/villa_d_este/diva/alfa_romeo_diva_3.jpg
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2006/events/villa_d_este/diva/alfa_romeo_diva_5.jpg

[redsharK]

Ferrari P4 for Inspiration
http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/14673/ferrari_p4-5-L.jpg

I am thinking A single external wastegate stack on the turbo instead of the dual shown here

http://digiads.com.au/car-news/images/2006/07/article_6515-img_5.jpg

[redsharK]

Ferrari P2
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre5/lemansclassic/1965_ferrari_330_p2_03_m.jpg

Ferrari P3
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NCTKUEHu-jQ/RzpQdcV24OI/AAAAAAAABx0/30N5RVwVghg/Ferrari+330+P4.jpg

[redsharK]

2008 Subaru/Toyota concept car
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/05/subarufr.500_450-op.jpg
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/toyota_ft_86_concept_back_main.jpg
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200910/2010-toyota-ft-86-concept-2_800x0w.jpg

[LiquidPT]

Ah, mine got released. You'll have to scroll back up to see it.

[riptide motorsport]

Always loved the Pantera.

[Steve91T]

I love the 2005 Ascari KZ1-R. Never seen one before, but it looks awesome.

About the roof storage, I say forget it. I think the front radiator needs to have a Lotus Elise set up. Air comes in, angles up, through the radiator, and exits through the hood. This creates downforce.

Toyota MR2's had a problem. The front was sort of a small trunk/spare tire holder. The air would come in from the front, go through the radiator, then exit under the car. This created lift.

Driving an Elise, with the top off, if you stick your hand in the wind coming over the windshield, you can feel the hot air from the radiator.

The Elise has a hard top that is removable. Place it in a bag and keep it in the garage. The folding soft top will fit in the trunk and is great for getting caught in the rain.

That's my vote. I want a hard top option, but an emergency soft top option would be great. I feel that function needs to be first. To be completely honest, if there was an option for a solid fixed roof, that's what I'd get. It'll probably look better, be stiffer, and lighter.

Steve

[Justen]

Love 05's design! the wheels really bring it all together. I like the idea of the retractable wing too. keep working on this design, i would love to see the car look like this!

[Horhay]

I'm all for something with 904 inspiration.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/640/Porsche-904-GTS_1.jpg

[redsharK]

I love the 2005 Ascari KZ1-R. Never seen one before, but it looks awesome.

Yeah I agree, a body design drawing inspiration from the Ascari would be perfect
http://www.trackmania-carpark.com/images/skins/big/screenascari2.jpg

[crackedcornish]

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/8298f2f2.jpg

[keys2heaven]

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/8298f2f2.jpg

How cute. I dub it, "Gidget".

[crackedcornish]

how about a modified GTM
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/fbdcf0e0.jpg
sorry I can't draw ...so I cut up a pic of it

[Oppenheimer]

How cute. I dub it, "Gidget".

Well its the Smyth Performance G3F, but you can pronounce G3F as Gidget if you want. Its a rendering that was based on a shrunken GTM.

Hopefully the crowdsource community that produced this concept will make an entry for the design contest.

[BoxerFanatic]

With Saleen shelving this car years ago, and now getting out of producing whole mustangs for sale... maybe they'll sell the rights and molds for this.
http://www.ehdwalls.com/plog-content/images/1440x900/cars/saleen-s5s-raptor-02.jpg

Otherwise, with FFR's other ford history ties... FFR could resurrect a car that most people probably don't remember
http://www.histomobile.com/histomob/internet/41/1182701.jpg
http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Ford_GT_70_1971.jpg

Targa version of the GT70 for the new subaru powered car, and S5S Raptor coupe version for the next update of the GTM, perhaps...

[PERRNjeff]

I know this has a roof, but a car any Subaru enthusiest would die to have. I love the side shot of this car.
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/01/101661158593.jpg

[BoxerFanatic]

Otherwise, there is this:

Maybe this car could be an opportunity to update the Puma GT Convertible as a topless mid-engined (rather than rear-VW-engined) roadster. This is someone else's impression, not mine...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KWVLgF4BueI/Sd66erGpIBI/AAAAAAAAF_E/DECrDWdQ-vg/s400/Puma_c.jpg
updated from this original:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QEUBx-9YbAM/TB1sNs0XM6I/AAAAAAAAAuM/5R4gJK9qIXQ/s1600/Puma+GTC+convers%C3%ADvel.jpg

[crackedcornish]

take this nose/grille (below the headlights)
http://www.ehdwalls.com/plog-content/images/1440x900/cars/saleen-s5s-raptor-02.jpg

and put it, and a targa style roof bar on this car
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7907/halcyonbybt.jpg

[Vman7]

The Blue Car done by Stavros above I like a lot, same idea I am working on for the most part, and yes I decided to come up with something....:D

The Blue car above is basicly the Porsche 918 spyder reshaped here and there with RX-7 tail lights, some kind of generic headlights, aftermarket seats and smoothed out the 2 rear humps. I Love it! the back section behind the rear tires could be a little longer though, other then that it works!

go here to view a large image of it.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7907/halcyonbybt.jpg

David

[crackedcornish]

The Blue Car done by Stavros above I like a lot, same idea I am working on for the most part, and yes I decided to come up with something....:D

The Blue car above is basicly the Porsche 918 spyder reshaped here and there with RX-7 tail lights, some kind of generic headlights, aftermarket seats and smoothed out the 2 rear humps. I Love it! the back section behind the rear tires could be a little longer though, other then that it works!

go here to view a large image of it.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7907/halcyonbybt.jpg

David

or put your cursor on the pics and right click, then select "view image"

[Stavros]

It looks like my account issues have finally been resolved and I can join the forum discussions!

It will be interesting to how the rest of competition pans out. I have a feeling some of the big gun designers are going to be submitting some crazy 3D designs blowing away the competition, but it's always fun to give it a shot!

I posted a version of this on GRM, but I figured I'll share another sketch of my Halcyon concept posted above. The idea for that one was to keep the radiator mid mounted eliminating the need for a large vent up front. It also give you much more ground clearance up front with the raised center section of the front bumper. This translates to a least 7 inches or ground clearance up front. And for the track guys who don't need ground clearance for driveways speed bumps, and potholes, a flat splitter could be bolted on the bottom edge of the front bumper.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8315/halcyonisometric.jpg