Mk5 Build School

[Doc76]

Hey everyone —
I am considering building a Mk5.
Before the jokes start, I did call Mott to ask this. They pointed me to the MK4 build video on their site. Since the MK5 is still pretty new, it sounds like the website (and admin) hasn’t fully caught up yet.
If nothing else to say I am a life learner so I am sure the build school would add value to the knowledge-toolbox.

For those who’ve attended the MK5 build school:

What setup did you work on during the 3 days?
Brake system?
IRS or solid axle?
Coyote or pushrod (302/351, etc.)?
Do they split the class into groups to cover different areas, or does everyone go through the same material together?
Anything else to consider?

Thanks in advance.

[Stangrob]

Hey!

So, all of the Roadster classes now use the Mk5 to the best of my knowledge. I went in October as I'm building a Mk4 but found we were using a Mk5 for the class. Despite the differences in chassis design the vast majority of the class applies to both, and if you're building a Mk5 then you're golden.

As to your questions:
For those who’ve attended the MK5 build school:

What setup did you work on during the 3 days? Because of time some things were pre-done, such as fuel and brake lines, but we spent time going through best practices and how to bend and flare the lines. Most aluminum panels were already drilled (kits get built and broken down for the next class) but there were still holes to be drilled and plenty of rivets to be installed. Gauges were already in the dash, but we went through how to cover the dash and install the gauges properly. Wiring was already figured out but we have to run it in the chassis.
Brake system? Base Ford brakes, although we did spend time talking about details related to the optional Wilwood brakes.
IRS or solid axle? Solid - three link.
Coyote or pushrod (302/351, etc.)? 302 with Holley Sniper.
Do they split the class into groups to cover different areas, or does everyone go through the same material together? You go through the build together as a class, but you can always ask any particular questions or get some time with one of the instructors if needed.
Anything else to consider? If my memory we used a cable clutch with the TKX. Basically the build is for the base complete kit. Options are discussed, and lots of feedback is given about things you should consider using for your build (Breeze seat mounts, etc.) and things that you should not use from the kit (remote oil filter setup, etc.).

Even if you're a seasoned builder I think the tips you get in the class make it worthwhile.

Rob

[Jeff Kleiner]

As Rob said they do a basic 3 link Windsor engine complete kit. I was invited to attend and sit in on a Mk4 class a few years ago. I had known all of the instructors for years and of course was a seasoned builder but it was interesting to actually see how the class is structured and material presented. I kind of tried to take it in as if I didn't know anything going in and have to say that the guys do an excellent job! I highly recommend it for anyone who is on the fence or may have reservations about their abilities.

Jeff

[TrackDay17]

I attended last August before I ordered and began building my MK5.
I thought the class was well worth my time and I agree the instructors were excellent.
Even though we built a 302 with a solid axle and the kit brakes they do have a display of the IRS with Wilwoods to look at and tell you about.
Since the weather was nice both of our instructors drove their personal cars in on Sunday so we could look at them.

I considered it well worth my time, taking notes, asking questions and picking up a few wrenches myself to help.
We had several teenagers in my class and us older guys encouraged them to pick up the wrenches and learn new skills while we watched.
I considered that for the cost of the class I would be money ahead if I learned something and avoided a mistake.

[Doc76]

Appreciate the detailed feedback, guys — exactly what I was looking for.

Sounds like the structure, sequencing, and practical tips alone make it worthwhile, even for those with experience. Good to know it’s Mk5-based and that options are still covered in discussion.

I’m leaning toward attending. Thanks again for taking the time to share your experience.

[Jeff Kleiner]

...We had several teenagers in my class and us older guys encouraged them to pick up the wrenches and learn new skills while we watched...


One of the participants (mid to late 30ish, not a teenager) in the session that I observed was beside himself giddy when he drilled a rivet hole. He said "I've never drilled a hole or even held a drill in my life!" :eek:

Jeff

[RobHartley]

One of the participants (mid to late 30ish, not a teenager) in the session that I observed was beside himself giddy when he drilled a rivet hole. He said "I've never drilled a hole or even held a drill in my life!" :eek:

Jeff

We had a similar experience in our class, the participant was also in his mid 30s, and had never worked on a car, by the end of the class he had put a deposit down on a BP engine, and had been in contact with FFR to start the order process. My two adult sons and I took the course, they both wrench on their trucks but really enjoyed the class.

[Pete&Scott]

Before I would buy an MK5, I would suggest calling FFR and asking when they will have an updated MK5 manual that only references MK5 information and has no MK4 pictures or instructions. The current MK5 manual is less than ideal. It was cobbled together from the old MK4 manual with some new MK5 CAD pictures. As a result, you spend a lot of time trying to sort out what is really MK4 stuff that you cannot trust and then need to guess at what to do if you are building an MK5. FFR is also currently dealing with some operational issues, so tech support is overwhelmed and parts delivery is delayed. My Kit was completed on November 29, and I am ready to install the engine, but I have no engine mounts or wheels and tires. Lots of folks will say this is normal, but the issue is that FFR doesn't tell you when you order that parts may be delayed for 3+ months. I think they will get a lot of this sorted out over the next 6 months or so. I would monitor the situation before you place an order.

[Doc76]

Before I would buy an MK5, I would suggest calling FFR and asking when they will have an updated MK5 manual that only references MK5 information and has no MK4 pictures or instructions. The current MK5 manual is less than ideal. It was cobbled together from the old MK4 manual with some new MK5 CAD pictures. As a result, you spend a lot of time trying to sort out what is really MK4 stuff that you cannot trust and then need to guess at what to do if you are building an MK5. FFR is also currently dealing with some operational issues, so tech support is overwhelmed and parts delivery is delayed. My Kit was completed on November 29, and I am ready to install the engine, but I have no engine mounts or wheels and tires. Lots of folks will say this is normal, but the issue is that FFR doesn't tell you when you order that parts may be delayed for 3+ months. I think they will get a lot of this sorted out over the next 6 months or so. I would monitor the situation before you place an order.

I did call them. They said there is no plan to revise the Mk5 manual at this time.

[Slideways]

I’m not certain I could add more to the replies here but I did attend the school in mid January. Being from SoCal I can tell you it was frickin’ cold, gray and windy. The school and facilities are exceptional as are the instructors. I couldn’t image embarking on a built without having this school under your belt.

[Doc76]

I’m not certain I could add more to the replies here but I did attend the school in mid January. Being from SoCal I can tell you it was frickin’ cold, gray and windy. The school and facilities are exceptional as are the instructors. I couldn’t image embarking on a built without having this school under your belt.

Yes sir. I’ve been out that way several times for work in the winter season. Beautiful countryside but the weather was certainly not my favourite.
I did consider that. I’ll be attending towards late spring, early summer is my hope.
Cheers