Mk5 Coyote Tremec install problems

[Genedmk5]

Hi all / new to the forum
I’m in the process of trying to install a coyote gen3 an a Tremc transmission in my Mk5. The engine and trans is all put together with the alternator and power steering. The engine leveling assembly will not work well with the lift kit mounts. The leveler is nowhere near lined up front the back on the engine. The only way to do that would be to remove quite a bit from the engine to mount it front to back. That I don’t want to do. Because of the frame my engine hoist barely makes it to the Engine mounts of the frame. The new power steering unit also cuts off about 5 to 6 inches in the front of the engine compartment. Right now I only see an option of installing the engine without the transmission and reinstalling it from underneath.
I would be very interested to see how anyone has made out doing this install.
Any input will be greatly appreciated.
Gene

[cv2065]

Pictures would probably help. What are you using for a leveler and where are you attaching it to the engine? That can make a huge difference. Also, what crane are you using to install? Typically the 1 ton variety is too short. Do you have the front lifted up to get the legs of the crane under the frame? I think the MKV has more engine room so you shouldn't have an issue installing both with the proper equipment and technique. Engine installs should be one of the easiest things you do on the build.

[danmas]

Agree pictures would be good. Also, I understand you can install the engine from the side of the car if your hoist won’t work. As others have noted, lift the rear of your car as well. Apologies if that doesn’t help.

[2nd2none]

As Danmas noted, install from the side. Rick ran into the same issues at first. https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?51417-Rick-s-Mark-V-Roadster-Build&p=588832&viewfull=1#post588832

[Genedmk5]

Thanks for the responses.
It looks like I’m not the only one that have this issue.
I have put many engines in cars, but I’m an old school guy. I’ve never dealt with the new modular type.
The older V8 you could just put the chain somewhere in the front and back very easily and drop it in. Using the lift brackets that are attached on the side doesn’t give you the opportunity to use the leveling assembly to tilt the engine. I have a 2 ton engine lift that has about a 43 inch reach. The center of the motor mounts are about 41 inches in from the front frame. Doesn’t give you much to play with. Looks like I’m gonna go in from the side like others have. I also have removed the brake power boost and that’s going to give me a lot more room too. As for tilting the transmission down the frame now sits at a pretty good angle with the rear axle a little more than a foot and a half higher than the front.
My son and I will probably give it a shot tomorrow should work.
Will let you know how it goes.
Thanks again
Gene

[Tango]

I can attest that the first time was an adventure but it does go. My Gen4x went in fully dressed (AC, PW Steering, Trans etc). The one thing I did not install before I dropped it was the headers. The driver’s side needs to be installed before it gets fully lowered. Once you get it, it does seem easy in retrospect but at the time it was a bear. We got it in from the front and had to use the larger leveler that harbor freight sells. We removed the shifter to get clearance. I do think the side approach would have been easier but it will go in from the front. Make sure you do not have too much chain making the engine hang lower which will cause clearance issues.

[Genedmk5]

it’s in.
My son and I finally got the gen3 installed in our Mk5 / 10 lbs in 9 lb bag
Using some hints that some have posted success.
Started with lifting the back of the frame up about one and a half feet.
Ditched the leveler and attached a chain between two lift brackets we got from TD Motion.
Attached lift chain to center of chain between brackets. This still allowed enough tilt to the engine.
We put the engine in from the side at about a 45° angle.
We did run into a few issues.
Removed the power brake canister that was installed in the beginning for more room. I recommend installing it temporarily easier to do the plumbing with the engine out.
Had to remove alternator that was installed. Hit steering shaft on installation.
Using lift brackets caused assembly to be about a quarter of an inch too wide. Solution was to loosen to mounting bolt, causing racket to lean in some. Not the best solution, but I’ve known about it sooner. I probably would have heated the bracket and bent it in. (always looking for a reason to take out the torch.)
Also remember to remove header studs before installing engine. A a few are not much fun taking out.duh
Tango, do you have a Mk5 or 4. If A 4 just curious, what is the measurement from the frame to the center of the engine mount?.

[Tango]

Mine is a MK5 + Gen 4x Coyote. Let me know if you still need any info, happy to provide. I made the same mistake of not knowing I needed to remove the header studs. When you go to torq the headers, there is a super easy solution for accessing all of them. Use a low profile/stubby socket in whatever size your header bolts require. It made all the difference in the world, especially on the driver side.

[Genedmk5]

Thanks for the reply.
We’re all set now with the headers too.
How to figure out where to put the reservoirs. First location was way off because I would not fit between the engine and the frame. Are you using three reservoirs or two and where have you decided to put them? Not sure if there’s enough height in the body to put them next to the engine alongside the master cylinders. The other option, of course would be on the firewall but not sure yet. Lotta measuring to do.

[Tango]

219348. I placed mine in the triangle in front of the DS footbox. There is a piece of 90 degree aluminum behind the bracket which attaches to the top of the frame rail along with another one underneath which makes a ledge to keep the reservoirs from dropping all the way out when the bracket is loosened. I will set the final height once the body is on. I stole this setup from Erik’s T’s beta build video. He encountered a conflict with the front panels, but in the final kit versions there was a change to the panel locations and that conflict went away.

[Genedmk5]

That’s where I first mounted mine until I realized the body is going to cover them.Saw this on a coupe it works because the whole body tilts forward and you can get to every thing.
A lot more measurements needed but looks like I might try one on either side of that inside V. Maybe attach an aluminum angle bracket on top and mount them to it.
New to forum will have to learn how to post pics

[Tango]

I should be test fitting my body for the first time post engine instal in the next week so I will let you know how it works. I think they can sit low enough to still be accessible there. I do have a backup plan in mind, but we will see if it is needed.

[2nd2none]

219365

From Ricks build thread to give you an idea. Where his are mounted he mentioned having 5 inches of clearance to the body.

[Genedmk5]

I look forward to see how you make out.
It’s going to be a little while before we try our test fit.
You could mount them there but that far forward and down enough to clear the body, I think, would put them too low in relationship to the master cylinders.

[Tango]

Looking at that pic and my chosen location is a little concerning. Accessible, yes, easy to check level….maybe not. I initially considered that inner rail as an “audible” location but measuring with my eyeball now that the engine is in, I am not certain there is enough room there with a coyote and the wilwood resivoirs. I have seen others that would accommodate that space, but I am taking a wait and see approach before buying anything. (Did not mean to hijack the thread)

[Genedmk5]

No worries
It seems most pics I see are with the smaller engines that have plenty of space or are in coupes
Sure it will all work
It wouldn’t be fun without a few snags

[2nd2none]

Just watching some old videos from the FFR YouTube page and noticed where they placed the reservoirs with the Coyote engine in a MK5. At around :09 and :36 second marks you can see they have the reservoirs mounted on the firewall directly behind the engine. Another thing I noticed is how they have the air filter positioned. I don't remember who posted it in their build thread but they mentioned having to angle the intake down pretty low behind the radiator. Knowing there's only about 5" clearance from the chassis to the body in that area I wonder if they were actually able to get the body on with the intake in the position in the video. I'm planning to go to SEMA this year so hope they have this car there and it still has the Coyote installed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVTv8WTC4M4
219628

[michael everson]

Leave the alternator off until you get the driver side header on. No way to get it in otherwise.
Mike

[UKSNAKE]

Looking at that pic and my chosen location is a little concerning. Accessible, yes, easy to check level….maybe not. I initially considered that inner rail as an “audible” location but measuring with my eyeball now that the engine is in, I am not certain there is enough room there with a coyote and the wilwood resivoirs. I have seen others that would accommodate that space, but I am taking a wait and see approach before buying anything. (Did not mean to hijack the thread)

Hi Tango

Do you have any pictures of where you finally installed?

Do the resevoirs have to be in before the engine install? Can you install then take them out for engine install then put them back in? Recognize have to charge them again.

Chris

[UKSNAKE]

Looks nice here, but he isnt using a coyote. Is the engine too wide to put them here?

[FFinisher]

Just watching some old videos from the FFR YouTube page and noticed where they placed the reservoirs with the Coyote engine in a MK5. At around :09 and :36 second marks you can see they have the reservoirs mounted on the firewall directly behind the engine. Another thing I noticed is how they have the air filter positioned. I don't remember who posted it in their build thread but they mentioned having to angle the intake down pretty low behind the radiator. Knowing there's only about 5" clearance from the chassis to the body in that area I wonder if they were actually able to get the body on with the intake in the position in the video. I'm planning to go to SEMA this year so hope they have this car there and it still has the Coyote installed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVTv8WTC4M4
219628

This is my car and reservoirs are no longer in that spot, and I used a K+N Ru2510 filter, not the one shown.

[2nd2none]

This is my car and reservoirs are no longer in that spot, and I used a K+N Ru2510 filter, not the one shown.
Where did you end up placing the reservoirs?

[edwardb]

Thread on this topic over the last couple days. I just posted this morning what I'm finding on my Mk5/Aluminator (Coyote) build.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?52634-Brake-resevoirs-on-MKV&p=596629&viewfull=1#post596629