GasN Question

[M22_COBRA]

My build is a mk4 gen 3 Coyote and I'm thinking on pulling the trigger on some GasN headers today for the July sale. They have a 1-3/4 and 1-7/8 option on the header. Coyote is already damn tight as it is. Which option should I pick? Is 1-3/4 the only one I really have due to space?

Also I'm considering the 3" high horsepower side pipe option... Anybody want to talk me out of it? I didn't see many videos or info on them.

Would the FFR header and GasN side pipe combo be a better option? Love to hear your thoughts. I've been reading lots of posts and some have come up about fitment issues on the gasN but they are from like 2012 so it's hard to get a good feel if that's really an issue anymore. I know a Jeff said put the FFR on and forget about it but that may have also been some time ago. Looks like everyone has a ball flange now. I know the service and quality of the gasN stuff is really highly regarded.... Help me decide.

[rich grsc]

You will experience no difference between a 1 3/4" & 1 7/8" header, use the smaller for easier fit. The high HP will be the same, just LOUDER.
Everyone that I know personally using the side pipes had fitment problems, one even sending them back to be re-welded so they could fit.

[JMD]

You won't lose any power using the 1 3/4" headers vs 1 7/8" with a stockish Coyote and it will be easier to fit.

I have the Gas N headers and touring pipes for my car. While the quality and finish are top notch, I was not impressed with the bolt hole placement with the headers and had to do a good bit of work to get them to fit. I don't have a Coyote, but just fyi. After I got the headers installed, positioning the sidepipes and installing them was simple and straight forward with no surprises.

I've heard other forum members are having issues with communication and delivery of the Gas N products lately, as well as a rumor that the ownership has or is transitioning from Georgie to someone else which may be causing some hiccups. I don't know for sure.

[cv2065]

The Gas N pipes are high quality. No comparison to the FFR Chinese stuff. My ceramic coater noted how well the welds are done. And made in the US! That said, I had to send mine back to get re-honed as the header bolt holes were just off enough where they wouldn’t bolt up. No money out of my pocket as Georgie sent me a return label and paid for it. There was a total 2 week time delay and pays to check your fitment early in the build.

Georgie told me that he is stepping away from the company as it was sold to new owners, but if there is an issue he’ll get involved to help resolve.

I have the louder version of the pipes. They are about as loud as the FFR pipes, but just not as harsh of a tone.

[danmas]

I would seek alternatives.

[OB6]

The ownership transition makes sense to me now. I ordered Touring pipes quite a while back. Every 2 or 3 weeks I call for an ETA, and each time I'm told 2-3 weeks.

Hopefully the quality standards don't change.

[bishes]

I just got my headers a couple weeks ago after a 5 month wait. The quality appears to be as advertised but the service and shipping has been really atrocious. Every shipping estimate was "next week" week after week. They forgot to include all of the hardware so I'm back to waiting for that with no time estimate given. It's really disappointing after everything positive I read on the forums here.

[Jeff Kleiner]

I've had a bunch of cars come to me with Gas'N headers and/or pipes already installed as well as a few which I've installed for the first time when doing doing body & paint. They're beautifully crafted however unfortunately the fit is a crapshoot. More often than not they have required wedges (sometimes a stack of them...even after they were sent back for rework) to get them to fit and align with the body. The problems still continued after the change to ball flanges.

Jeff

[OB6]

I just got my headers a couple weeks ago after a 5 month wait. The quality appears to be as advertised but the service and shipping has been really atrocious. Every shipping estimate was "next week" week after week. They forgot to include all of the hardware so I'm back to waiting for that with no time estimate given. It's really disappointing after everything positive I read on the forums here.

Unfortunately this will sink a company, no matter how good the quality is. I'm sure it's not the legacy that Georgie had in mind.

Hoping I can get my pipes with minimal drama.

[Mike.Bray]

The Gas N pipes are high quality. No comparison to the FFR Chinese stuff.

I received my kit (351W) about three years ago and was concerned about the FFR headers & sidepipes as I had read some not so nice things about them. I have to say, I was very impressed with the FFR headers and sidepipes. The welds were good, the finish was like a mirror even though the stainless doesn't last, and the fit was perfect. The header flanges were nice and thick, with Remflex gaskets I've never had a leak. And I swear I could throw the headers from across the room and they would go right on. No issues with fitting the sidepipes once I leveled the engine with the chassis.

I eventually had the headers ceramic coated as I got tired of the discolored stainless. Later I acquired a set of black FFR sidepipes from another builder who didn't use them so I had those ceramic coated and they bolted right up in place of the stainless ones. Every hole lined up perfectly.

IDK, maybe I'm just lucky?

As for the sound, to me a Cobra needs to bark and I love the sound of my Windsor with the FFR pipes. But of course I'm old and already half deaf, completely deaf if you ask my wife.

[rich grsc]

The Gas N pipes are high quality. No comparison to the FFR Chinese stuff. My ceramic coater noted how well the welds are done. And made in the US! That said, I had to send mine back to get re-honed as the header bolt holes were just off enough where they wouldn’t bolt up. No money out of my pocket as Georgie sent me a return label and paid for it. There was a total 2 week time delay and pays to check your fitment early in the build.
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If they are such high quality, then why don't they fit?

[cv2065]

If they are such high quality, then why don't they fit?

Referring more to the construction of the pipe, i.e. material, thickness, welding, etc. But at this price, there should be zero issues with flange fitment or communication.

[Mike.Bray]

Referring more to the construction of the pipe, i.e. material, thickness, welding, etc. But at this price, there should be zero issues with flange fitment or communication.

For me one thing about Gas N that I didn't like was he wanted full payment up front and then months for delivery. That's a deal killer for me.

[PNWTim]

Well, this is a bit of a pickle. I intentionally did not order the headers and pipes for my Daytona as I planned on getting them from Georgie. I wanted a slightly quieter sound as well as unfinished as I am painting them white. I thought in general the consensus was very positive but I don't have any intention of waiting 5 months (or more) and then hoping they are OK. Especially at the premium being charged. Does anyone know if F5 offers their headers and pipes uncoated? Not a deal breaker but no sense in paying for polishing if I'm just covering it up.

[OB6]

Well, this is a bit of a pickle. I intentionally did not order the headers and pipes for my Daytona as I planned on getting them from Georgie. I wanted a slightly quieter sound as well as unfinished as I am painting them white. I thought in general the consensus was very positive but I don't have any intention of waiting 5 months (or more) and then hoping they are OK. Especially at the premium being charged. Does anyone know if F5 offers their headers and pipes uncoated? Not a deal breaker but no sense in paying for polishing if I'm just covering it up.

I might have done something different if I knew these changes were taking place, but at this point I'll just cross my fingers and hope for the best. Apparently my pipes are ready to ship.

[Jeff Kleiner]

Well, this is a bit of a pickle. I intentionally did not order the headers and pipes for my Daytona as I planned on getting them from Georgie. I wanted a slightly quieter sound as well as unfinished as I am painting them white. I thought in general the consensus was very positive but I don't have any intention of waiting 5 months (or more) and then hoping they are OK. Especially at the premium being charged. Does anyone know if F5 offers their headers and pipes uncoated? Not a deal breaker but no sense in paying for polishing if I'm just covering it up.

The stainless headers mild steel pipes are uncoated.

Jeff

[rich grsc]

For me one thing about Gas N that I didn't like was he wanted full payment up front and then months for delivery. That's a deal killer for me.
Just like some other vender that I can't name or I'll get banned here.

[M22_COBRA]

Thanks y'all. Really appreciate the feedback. I think it's a FFR solution to move forward for me based on the feedback. I plan on doing the BBQ paint route anyway at least on the side pipes.
I don't like the premo price tag with the possibility that it needs help to fit. I pay that much they should fit every time.

[OB6]

Just remember, in case it matters to you, the FFR pipes still use glass mat instead of SS, and will eventually blow out. That said, SS mat is irrelevant if the pipes don't fit.

[Tango]

I was in the first batch oh MK5s that went out the door and I got some coyote gen 4 gas-n headers….as FFR could not commit to when they would have them available. Georgie was available and helped with guiding me through the purchase process. I received them and they are very….very nice looking…..although not yet installed. I degreased them, sand blasted them, gas-out, and cerakoted them along side the FFR pipes and all look really great. FFR mentioned that their new pipes are a big step up from what they have been offering, but again I do not have a frame of reference. I wish I could provide more fitment/quality advice but that is a few weeks out. I will mention that I have been in contact with Horatio (from Gas-N) and that he has been (after a while) responsive and helpful with some post purchase questions. The craftmanship on the headers (that I received) is truly remarkable. Time will tell if it all fits together.

[M22_COBRA]

Just remember, in case it matters to you, the FFR pipes still use glass mat instead of SS, and will eventually blow out. That said, SS mat is irrelevant if the pipes don't fit.

When it blows out is it a replaceable "cartridge" of material or are you just looking at new pipes? Has anybody done this? High milage guys any input?

[lewma]

All, I ordered a set of GasN touring pipes back in March for my type65. Horacio drove them down and personally delivered them to my house in San Diego last month. That's about a 90 minute drive one way for him. Transitioning management of the company to him has created a few obstacles but he said they're working through them. He's a great guy, just ran off his feet. I've had the pipes on for about 3 weeks now. Here's my observations:

- Fitment was not 100% accurate but was easy to work around with a few washers. I have the ball flange from my LS headers. The mounting tabs under the doors were not an exact fit but neither were the FF pipes either
- I ordered them matte black powder coated and the finish was very good
- At idle, the pipes sound just the same
- At cruising speed, my interior noise dropped from 115dba to around 109dba
- The sound is not as harsh when cruising, cabin 'drone' is way less but if you put your foot to the floor, they will wake up :)
- I'm assuming I've lost some HP but can't really tell at this point
- Engine needed a little tuning to account for the different airflow

The big test for me will be September when I drive to NV again. 1800 mile round trip mainly highway cruising. We'll see how tired we are vs the stock pipes and their drone.

mark

[nashuanuke]

Driver's side fits like a glove. Passenger has about 1.5" of wedges to get it right.

[ggunter]

I might as well pile on with header woes. My first engine in my MKIV was a 347. FFR headers fit beautifully. No issues. I replaced with a Windsor 427 and bought FFR polished Stainless 351 headers, and they didn't come close to fitting without cutting the fender hole another 1 1/2" higher, then the side pipes would have been on a downhill slide. Ended up pie cutting the ball on the header just in front of the bung, bending the pie cut closed and welding the pie cut shut which gave me a much better transition to the side pipes. Still had to cut the hole a little larger at the top of the pipe opening (which really sucks when your car is painted) but in the end it all worked out. Then the cracking started on the front pipe, passengers, side. Had them welded a couple of times and then bought a set of Gasn headers which did not come close to fitting without making some major cuts to the fender and then having the side pipes on a stupid angle downward. So, they sit at home on a spare motor. FFR cracked again and rewelded them again (always at the front pipe) this time I put the "header support fix" on. The turn buckle affair. I think that is just something we do to make ourselves feel like we did something to fix an annoying problem. I don't see any real fix from that but time will tell. In the meantime, and all that nonsense I bought another set of FFR Stainless headers as spares. I'm sure I will have to cut and modify them as well but we will see how long the "header fix will last". I LOVE MY CAR.

[Its Bruce]

I'd be interested to know if anyone has actually seen 1-7/8" heads in person from Gas-N. I paid for 1-7/8" and ultimately received 1-3/4". There was a lot of customization performed by Gas-N, which I'm grateful for, so I was just happy to have headers once complete. I may be leaving some power on the table, but I also have a suspicion that the FFR side pipes are also confining.

[JMD]

I'd be interested to know if anyone has actually seen 1-7/8" heads in person from Gas-N. I paid for 1-7/8" and ultimately received 1-3/4". There was a lot of customization performed by Gas-N, which I'm grateful for, so I was just happy to have headers once complete. I may be leaving some power on the table, but I also have a suspicion that the FFR side pipes are also confining.

Unless you're over 600hp or so you're not losing any power with a 1 3/4" header. There was a great episode of Engine Masters where they did a header tube size comparison and you've got to be pushing a whole lot of power to actually see a power gain with anything bigger than a 1 3/4" primary tube. They're sufficient for most any high hp street engine application. Even the 1 5/8" headers generally aren't causing a restriction you're ever going to feel in the car until you start getting into 450hp and higher territory.

[ggunter]

I wouldn't worry about header tubing size. When you look at how crazy the Roadster exhaust is, it would be really interesting to see this set up put on and engine dyno to see what kind of losses there are because of it's four into one back to four into one arrangement as opposed to a regular header setup. I wonder if anyone has done that.

[M22_COBRA]

Follow up...

I went with the FFR full setup to try and limit the drama. FFR was great in getting the order set and out the door. Then the drama started....
The day my stuff shipped and FedEx posted my tracking number it showed 2 packages but later in the day it only showed 1 progressing thru the system.
Then about 5pm I get a call from someone that "I thought" was from FFR wanting to talk about my package. When I called them back it was actually a good Samaritan that said he found my side pipes sitting in the middle of the road in MA. :mad:
He said he took it back to FFR , put it directly in their hands and told them where he found it, nice guy.

I called FFR the next morning and yeah... they knew. Both the guy that picked the box out of the road and per the FFR rep there was no damage at all to the box as if someone laid it in the road intentionally. Not even a little road rash.
Evidently they have been having issues with their FedEx delivery guy, and it not the first time he has done some devious things because he has an axe to grind against FFR. (Their words) FFR also said that they have had many issues in the past and has gotten FedEx management back involved in this one. They assured me the box was opened, parts inspected, and no issues and re shipped in due haste. I'm supposed to see the headers today and the pipes tomorrow. Time will tell if they have any issues from shipping.

Moral of the story: There is no free lunch, you gonna experience hardship in the journey so accept it, adapt, and move on.
As I always say... Everyone remembers Rocky Balboa with his hands in the air & on top of the world on the museum steps. No one remembers the first run where he threw up and barely made it.
The struggle makes the story.

[JimStone]

Follow up...

I went with the FFR full setup to try and limit the drama. FFR was great in getting the order set and out the door. Then the drama started....
The day my stuff shipped and FedEx posted my tracking number it showed 2 packages but later in the day it only showed 1 progressing thru the system.
Then about 5pm I get a call from someone that "I thought" was from FFR wanting to talk about my package. When I called them back it was actually a good Samaritan that said he found my side pipes sitting in the middle of the road in MA. :mad:
He said he took it back to FFR , put it directly in their hands and told them where he found it, nice guy.

I called FFR the next morning and yeah... they knew. Both the guy that picked the box out of the road and per the FFR rep there was no damage at all to the box as if someone laid it in the road intentionally. Not even a little road rash.
Evidently they have been having issues with their FedEx delivery guy, and it not the first time he has done some devious things because he has an axe to grind against FFR. (Their words) FFR also said that they have had many issues in the past and has gotten FedEx management back involved in this one. They assured me the box was opened, parts inspected, and no issues and re shipped in due haste. I'm supposed to see the headers today and the pipes tomorrow. Time will tell if they have any issues from shipping.

Moral of the story: There is no free lunch, you gonna experience hardship in the journey so accept it, adapt, and move on.
As I always say... Everyone remembers Rocky Balboa with his hands in the air & on top of the world on the museum steps. No one remembers the first run where he threw up and barely made it.
The struggle makes the story.



Wow, what a bizarre story! Yep, gotta roll with the punches or it stops being fun and turns into work

[JMD]

That pretty well sums up the whole 'building a car' experience! It's an exercise in patience, acceptance, problem solving...anything worth having or achieving rarely comes easily.

[OB6]

I talked to Horatio late last week and expressed some of my concerns regarding communication etc. I also told him about this thread and suggested that he and/or Georgie may want to resoond. He was grateful for the feedback and took it professionally, acknowledging there's been a learning curve to the transition. I can respect that.

Anyway, my pipes are due to arrive on Friday, so I'll post back about the quality and fitment.

[rich grsc]

"Talked to him last week" ..... crickets, nothing

[pins999]

I ordered headers and side pipes on February 13 and still have not received them. I have been told a couple of times that they are a couple weeks away from shipping.
The headers are for a Gen4 Coyote so a little more complicated, but both were ordered raw SS as I plan on coating them myself, so no polishing was required.
I'm being as patient as possible, but it has been over 5 months. I went with GasN based on all the great reviews I saw on this site. Let's hope I receive them soon and that the quality is as good as everyone has got in the past.

[Smiley]

I’ve been waiting since the end of November, they arrive today UPS, I will post some pics when I open the boxes tomorrow.

BTW, I ordered them WAY before I was going to need them because in small niche-cottage markets like this, I wanted plenty of lead time. I will find out if it was worth the wait.

[bishes]

Same, mine are gen 4 coyote and raw SS. I'm still waiting on the hardware but I'll probably end up getting my own just to be done with them. I'm really glad I ordered them when I did but still very frustrating that they're this disorganized.

[OB6]

"Talked to him last week" ..... crickets, nothing

I've encouraged him a couple times to engage in this thread, in the spirit of being helpful.

[Mike.Bray]

Months and months for delivery after paying 100% up front. Nope

[Tooth]

This is the first I've heard of him selling the company. My powder coated headers had some drips. I was told they'd pay for them to be re-done, but I'm just having them done now months later. Hope this isn't an issue with new ownership.

[gbranham]

I don't know why folks are still buying their products, after endless stories of quality control issues, and ridiculous delays in receiving product. This company simply isn't what it used to be. Time for another vendor to step up and fill the void.

Greg

[gbranham]

I’ve been waiting since the end of November, they arrive today UPS, I will post some pics when I open the boxes tomorrow.

BTW, I ordered them WAY before I was going to need them because in small niche-cottage markets like this, I wanted plenty of lead time. I will find out if it was worth the wait.

I think you're giving them too much wiggle room. We have many small niche-cottage market vendors here on the forum, and they all seem to get product shipped out as advertised within a few days.

[cv2065]

I don't know why folks are still buying their products, after endless stories of quality control issues, and ridiculous delays in receiving product. This company simply isn't what it used to be. Time for another vendor to step up and fill the void.

Greg

Easier said than done. We’re not talking about small accessories or trim pieces. Let’s just hope they get their act together so they can maximize their investment and others can put the China metal on the back burner.

[Jeff Kleiner]

I don't know why folks are still buying their products, after endless stories of quality control issues, and ridiculous delays in receiving product. This company simply isn't what it used to be. Time for another vendor to step up and fill the void.

Greg

Almost word for word what has said about Finish****

Jeff

[Smiley]

I think you're giving them too much wiggle room. We have many small niche-:pcottage market vendors here on the forum, and they all seem to get product shipped out as advertised within a few days.

Yeah, but once they’ve got your money…

Besides I wanted something a little softer than “NASCAR ear bleeding loud”.

At the time I ordered them, that looked like Boig “quiet pipes” (one tube flattened for the coupe, very ugly IMHO + Bob has since passed) or Gas-N “touring” which is still the two pipe for the coupe.

I don’t mind waiting if someone is honest about the wait, the next week, next week, next week, BS is what gets to me…and it did, I started calling every time they missed a deadline, I’m doing the same for “another” vendor, he will know my caller ID by heart shortly, then I will start using burners :p

[JMD]

I don't know why folks are still buying their products, after endless stories of quality control issues, and ridiculous delays in receiving product. This company simply isn't what it used to be. Time for another vendor to step up and fill the void.

Greg

I'm just glad I got my headers and pipes before all these issues! Took the car for a 40 minute drive today...absolutely love the Gas N touring sidepipes.

No, this product isn't something just anyone can fabricate in their garage or workshop. It does take significant skills and tools to produce something like this at this quality level that is beyond the average fabricator's means, hence only a couple people venturing into doing it.

[gbranham]

I really don't think the FFR pipes are that loud. Even with my 427, I wouldn't describe it as ear bleeding loud. That said, I do think I have some hearing loss from loud cars, stereos and concerts from my youth...:)

[rich grsc]

The issue is the FFR pipes have a really high bark to them and just get worse the older they get. Eventually they get so bad that even with hearing protection, it isn't fun to drive. :(

[TrackDay17]

The issue is the FFR pipes have a really high bark to them and just get worse the older they get. Eventually they get so bad that even with hearing protection, it isn't fun to drive. :(

I understand the new FFR pipes are supposed to be 6 db quieter when they built the MK5 according to the live video when they introduced the MK5.
I'm hoping they will be better than the previous version.
Maybe they listened to feedback they got from customers.

[hsixes]

Hello everyone,

First, I want to introduce myself. My name is Horacio, and I am the Operations Manager for GAS-N Performance. I wish it could have been under more pleasant circumstances that I am introducing myself, but I want to take this opportunity to personally connect with you all and hopefully resolve, clarify, and make right any situations that have not gone the best way.

I oversee ALL of the operations now since Georgie has stepped aside for personal reasons. My timing and concept of delivery are fairly new, especially considering all of the external processes involved in building these pipes. I do my best to please our customers, but when employees don’t finish a task or when a vendor does not fulfill an order within the requested timeframe, I am the one who set those expectations. Rest assured, we are committed to doing better.

One thing remains the same: our unwavering commitment to quality and improved fitment throughout our products. Most recently, we have made significant improvements in the quality, finish, and fitment of our offerings. At every step, we are always looking to improve the fitment and satisfaction of our customers. Something as insignificant as creating a new flange and having it CNC machined for a customer is just an example of how far we are willing to go to achieve the perfect fitment. I may have the fault of expecting near perfection when a product is built. I’ve lost vendors who say, “I’m too picky” or “I’m too demanding,” but we know what we sell and the vision we have for delivering a top-tier product—one that can be admired as much as the car itself.

I wish to be clear, we have a learning curve to tackle in the office as we step into that position as well. As with everything else, we will improve in this and shorten our wait times as we get our structure in place. Please rest assured our quality has not dropped but has improved.

I am passionate about building these components and ensuring we deliver top-tier performance, durability, fitment, and craftsmanship. My commitment is to make sure every product that leaves our shop meets the highest standards because I genuinely care about the end product and its use.

I want to thank you all for taking the time to share your thoughts and experiences. I understand that our customers' satisfaction and trust are the foundation of our business.

To those who have expressed concerns and frustrations, please know that we are listening. We are dedicated to improving and making things right wherever possible. If you have specific issues you'd like to discuss, I encourage you to reach out directly so we can work toward a resolution.



Please feel free to call or email us at:
info@gas-n.com
781-757-1900 (Call or text).

Thank you again for your feedback and your patience as we continue to grow and improve.
Horacio

[OB6]

I understand the new FFR pipes are supposed to be 6 db quieter when they built the MK5 according to the live video when they introduced the MK5.
I'm hoping they will be better than the previous version.
Maybe they listened to feedback they got from customers.

I was told that too by FFR, but they also told me they're still using glass packing, which will eventually blow out just like the old version. And thej you're back to the problem Rich described.

[PMD24]

Same story for me. Quoted a month for delivery initially. Then told that they were three weeks out over the course of 5 months. Finally, they arrived.

On the plus side, they are absolutely beautiful, only $75 upcharge for coating the headers, and header fit is great.

Not at the stage of fitting the sidepipes yet.

It's a shame to hear that they have been informed about this thread and haven't taken the few minutes it would require to assure their valued customers that they are working to resolve transition issues. That alone speaks volumes.

Pat

[ggunter]

With the FFR pipes I hear more wind noise at speed than exhaust tone. I do love their bark at lower speeds though.

[TrackDay17]

I was told that too by FFR, but they also told me they're still using glass packing, which will eventually blow out just like the old version. And thej you're back to the problem Rich described.

So is there no way to service the FFR pipes at all ? Being a now retired motorcycle racer I've repacked a few motorcycle exhausts in my day.
It's amazing how loud they can get over time.
Hopefully GasN can get the ship righted.
I'm sure Georgie was hoping for a smooth transition into retirement.

[Jeff Kleiner]

With the FFR pipes I hear more wind noise at speed than exhaust tone. I do love their bark at lower speeds though.

Precisely! They only get really loud when you're on the pedal.

Jeff

[Mike.Bray]

With the FFR pipes I hear more wind noise at speed than exhaust tone. I do love their bark at lower speeds though.

Same for me! I love the sound from my FFR pipes!

[Rian_Colorado]

Interesting that no one had mentioned the Boig pipes in this thread. I bought mine after Tubular Automotive had purchased Boig when Bob passed. They fit perfectly on my Gen3 Coyote/Daytona project, and I know they make them for the Mk4's as well.

I have my Gasn's for the 427/mk4 project in the shop. Bolted up the headers just to make sure they fit (they do). Motor is going in today, so I'm a ways out on checking the side pipe fitment. I was relieved that the headers were right since I had already had them sprayed at Jet Hot!

Rian

[Smiley]

Here is my exhaust, it arrived yesterday via UPS.

I’m very happy with the way it looks. As far as fitment goes, well, I’m not there yet.

216751

[Smiley]

Precisely! They only get really loud when you're on the pedal.

Jeff

Out of curiosity, when would that NOT be the case??? :cool:

[Jeff Kleiner]

Here is my exhaust, it arrived yesterday via UPS.

I’m very happy with the way it looks. As far as fitment goes, well, I’m not there yet.

216751

You also have the intermediate section, right?

Jeff

[Smiley]

If you mean the ball joint coupling with the bung for the O2 sensor, yes.

[danmas]

Check to make sure the fit. Mine did not. (The collectors were too small).

[Smiley]

Check to make sure the fit. My did not. (The collectors were too small).

Will do, thanks.

They fit.

[OB6]

I heard from GasN that he's trying to respond, but his post won't go through. Any ideas why?

[gbranham]

I heard from GasN that he's trying to respond, but his post won't go through. Any ideas why?

Tell him to wait a few more weeks. Then a few more after that. Should be able to post in 5 months.

Too soon? :)

[Jeff Kleiner]

I heard from GasN that he's trying to respond, but his post won't go through. Any ideas why?

All he has to do is become a member.

Jeff

[OB6]

All he has to do is become a member.

Jeff

He did. Maybe it just takes a while for a first post to go through or get approved. Who knows. I'm just glad he's making an attempt.

[JMD]

Tell him to wait a few more weeks. Then a few more after that. Should be able to post in 5 months.

Too soon? :)

:-D

[bishes]

Hello everyone,

First, I want to introduce myself. My name is Horacio, and I am the Operations Manager for GAS-N Performance. I wish it could have been under more pleasant circumstances that I am introducing myself, but I want to take this opportunity to personally connect with you all and hopefully resolve, clarify, and make right any situations that have not gone the best way.

I oversee ALL of the operations now since Georgie has stepped aside for personal reasons. My timing and concept of delivery are fairly new, especially considering all of the external processes involved in building these pipes. I do my best to please our customers, but when employees don’t finish a task or when a vendor does not fulfill an order within the requested timeframe, I am the one who set those expectations. Rest assured, we are committed to doing better.

One thing remains the same: our unwavering commitment to quality and improved fitment throughout our products. Most recently, we have made significant improvements in the quality, finish, and fitment of our offerings. At every step, we are always looking to improve the fitment and satisfaction of our customers. Something as insignificant as creating a new flange and having it CNC machined for a customer is just an example of how far we are willing to go to achieve the perfect fitment. I may have the fault of expecting near perfection when a product is built. I’ve lost vendors who say, “I’m too picky” or “I’m too demanding,” but we know what we sell and the vision we have for delivering a top-tier product—one that can be admired as much as the car itself.

I wish to be clear, we have a learning curve to tackle in the office as we step into that position as well. As with everything else, we will improve in this and shorten our wait times as we get our structure in place. Please rest assured our quality has not dropped but has improved.

I am passionate about building these components and ensuring we deliver top-tier performance, durability, fitment, and craftsmanship. My commitment is to make sure every product that leaves our shop meets the highest standards because I genuinely care about the end product and its use.

I want to thank you all for taking the time to share your thoughts and experiences. I understand that our customers' satisfaction and trust are the foundation of our business.

To those who have expressed concerns and frustrations, please know that we are listening. We are dedicated to improving and making things right wherever possible. If you have specific issues you'd like to discuss, I encourage you to reach out directly so we can work toward a resolution.



Please feel free to call or email us at:
info@gas-n.com
781-757-1900 (Call or text).

Thank you again for your feedback and your patience as we continue to grow and improve.
Horacio

Great to hear from you and welcome to the forums! As one of the unsatisfied customers, I'm looking forward to hearing about the coming improvements and truly hope for your success in the future.

[cv2065]

Hello everyone,

First, I want to introduce myself. My name is Horacio, and I am the Operations Manager for GAS-N Performance. I wish it could have been under more pleasant circumstances that I am introducing myself, but I want to take this opportunity to personally connect with you all and hopefully resolve, clarify, and make right any situations that have not gone the best way.

I oversee ALL of the operations now since Georgie has stepped aside for personal reasons. My timing and concept of delivery are fairly new, especially considering all of the external processes involved in building these pipes. I do my best to please our customers, but when employees don’t finish a task or when a vendor does not fulfill an order within the requested timeframe, I am the one who set those expectations. Rest assured, we are committed to doing better.

One thing remains the same: our unwavering commitment to quality and improved fitment throughout our products. Most recently, we have made significant improvements in the quality, finish, and fitment of our offerings. At every step, we are always looking to improve the fitment and satisfaction of our customers. Something as insignificant as creating a new flange and having it CNC machined for a customer is just an example of how far we are willing to go to achieve the perfect fitment. I may have the fault of expecting near perfection when a product is built. I’ve lost vendors who say, “I’m too picky” or “I’m too demanding,” but we know what we sell and the vision we have for delivering a top-tier product—one that can be admired as much as the car itself.

I wish to be clear, we have a learning curve to tackle in the office as we step into that position as well. As with everything else, we will improve in this and shorten our wait times as we get our structure in place. Please rest assured our quality has not dropped but has improved.

I am passionate about building these components and ensuring we deliver top-tier performance, durability, fitment, and craftsmanship. My commitment is to make sure every product that leaves our shop meets the highest standards because I genuinely care about the end product and its use.

I want to thank you all for taking the time to share your thoughts and experiences. I understand that our customers' satisfaction and trust are the foundation of our business.

To those who have expressed concerns and frustrations, please know that we are listening. We are dedicated to improving and making things right wherever possible. If you have specific issues you'd like to discuss, I encourage you to reach out directly so we can work toward a resolution.



Please feel free to call or email us at:
info@gas-n.com
781-757-1900 (Call or text).

Thank you again for your feedback and your patience as we continue to grow and improve.
Horacio

Good deal and glad you were able to post Horacio. Thanks for the contact info. Now it's just about the follow up. ;)

[danmas]

So I don’t want to pile on but I think the issue is totally missed by the response. The issue isn’t that things happen or that mistakes are made. The issue is that promises are made and not kept. I don’t want someone to tell me “I’m shipping it out tomorrow” and then not have it a week later because it hasn’t shipped.

This is hard stuff probably. I don’t think endless delay is useful for the business model long term. That said, I’m patient and I really want people and their business to succeed. Be honest. Be up front. Tell the truth as you know it. Build a sustainable business model that balances quality, value as well as reasonable efforts from the organization and it will work. When things go south (and they do all the time) tell the truth. Fix it when you can and give a rock solid effort that is sustainable.

Case in point, my order. It got messed up a bunch and it happens. Honestly, I should have been a better customer and checked my order right away. I wasn’t. Had Gasn told me to pound sand I wouldn’t have liked it but I would have understood. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t have ever purchased from them again but I would have quietly gone away.

Since they didn’t and promised to fix it, I was really positive and talked them up a bit. And then came the promises with no follow through and the lack of response via email and text and phone calls. The issue isn’t about things being hard or taking a long time or mistakes in quality (although long term those things will kill you). The issue is about setting expectations and managing expectations. Tell me what you know. Do your best. If that doesn’t work out, reset my expectations. Don’t leave me hanging. The final breaking point was weeks and weeks after the promises for the replacement part I was told to ship everything I had back to them. At that point I was done and if I don’t get my replacement header I would have tossed the kit and started over. And so I have paid for a fully ceramic coated kit but have one header and two collectors that aren’t ceramic coated and can’t be without lots of effort on my part. In fairness Georgie (who isn’t part of the business anymore) offered to pay for the fix. For me it isn’t about the money. You don’t build a car like I am building if $1k matters. It is about making and setting expectations. It is about communicating and delivering.

This is a brutal business. But, if you tell me what you are doing and you deliver when you can I will buy everything you are selling and be an ardent supporter of your business.

I say this not to pound on Gasn but to tell them that more energy and furious effort isn’t the solution (in my opinion). Quiet, consistent delivery of a high quality product at the right time is perfectly reasonable. Tell all your customers that the product will take 16 weeks or 24 weeks but then deliver in 24 weeks. When you can’t, tell me. And then fix it when you can. Don’t promise and not deliver. Don’t ignore my calls, texts and emails. I wish them well. This is a message they need to hear.

Dan

[Mike.Bray]

I don’t think endless delay is useful for the business model long term.

Except when that business has all of your money up front, then the carrot isn't there. To me, when dealing with what I call catalog sales like Summit there's no issue with paying 100% up front. But built to order, like Gas N, is a different story. TBH that was the main reason I did not go with them when I was looking for headers with 3" bolt spacing.

[gbranham]

They better show dramatic and swift improvement, or someone else will step up and take their share of the market. I can only imagine there are folks quietly watching this company unravel while they tool up to offer a competing product, but with more consistent quality and far better turn times.

Frankly, I don't know why FFR hasn't simply created their own version of it, as they've done with other cottage industry products over the years. FFR has the capability, and folks have complained for years about the FFR pipes. Maybe they believe there's no money in it. It's one item that stands out as below their standards, when so many of their other kit components are high quality. To be clear, I like my FFR pipes, but I know from experience that I'll have to either run a screw into them to hold the rattling guts, or simply replace the pipes when the guts loosen up. That was a problem 20 years ago when I built my MkIII, and it's still a problem, apparently. Not sure why that hasn't been remedied long before now.

Greg

[OB6]

They better show dramatic and swift improvement, or someone else will step up and take their share of the market. I can only imagine there are folks quietly watching this company unravel while they tool up to offer a competing product, but with more consistent quality and far better turn times.

Frankly, I don't know why FFR hasn't simply created their own version of it, as they've done with other cottage industry products over the years. FFR has the capability, and folks have complained for years about the FFR pipes. Maybe they believe there's no money in it. It's one item that stands out as below their standards, when so many of their other kit components are high quality.

Greg

You nailed it IMO. It's good that Horacio posted and I'd encourage him to continue engaging with the forum. However, that will only go so far if lead times and communications don't change. I have to believe that FFR has the capability to produce these products at scale, either internally or with a partner. I've bought many super-high quality SS exhaust setups in the past from small companies who outsourced to major manufacturers who were also located in the U.S. No inventory problems and priced well because of scale. FFR could do the same.

[hsixes]

I say this not to pound on Gasn but to tell them that more energy and furious effort isn’t the solution (in my opinion). Quiet, consistent delivery of a high quality product at the right time is perfectly reasonable. Tell all your customers that the product will take 16 weeks or 24 weeks but then deliver in 24 weeks. When you can’t, tell me. And then fix it when you can. Don’t promise and not deliver. Don’t ignore my calls, texts and emails. I wish them well. This is a message they need to hear.

Dan

Thank you Dan, I don't like to discuss reasons as they are viewed as excuses. I recall we built your replacement promptly after confirmation from Georgie (this took a minute as it took a while for your order to be found)...and unfortunately we built (and had ceramic coated) the wrong side. Very unfortunate, believe me, it was a punch in the gut to see we sent the wrong side, by that time we were in the middle of another production run which ran into delays. Communication at that time was not ideal, Georgie was stepping away and we were still unsure who was handling what, I must admit it was unfortunate. At the end I am glad we were able to get your proper side to you and if any issues arise I hope we can have the opportunity to help and show we have improved overall. I hope you are having a great time with your project and I sincerely hope you reach out if you need a gasket/bolts or anything we can assist with.

I appreciate your words and they will serve as inspiration to improve.

[ProfessorB]

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I have no skin in this game, I've read the entire thread solely for enjoyment and to learn something. I can share two things:
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1) 1 3/4 vs. 1 7/8 - Bigger is not always better. There is such a thing as exhaust velocity. The exhaust velocity is higher on the 1 3/4....which will help exhaust scavenging and give better low end power (mid-range, too).
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2) FedEx can often suck. They often use sub-contractors and some of the employees of these sub-contractors are pretty sketchy.
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3) UPS is the BEST. They cost a little more, but their employees are professionals who care about their jobs and are held to very high standards. UPS is the Navy Seals of delivery services. They are worth every penny.

[danmas]

Thank you Dan, I don't like to discuss reasons as they are viewed as excuses. I recall we built your replacement promptly after confirmation from Georgie (this took a minute as it took a while for your order to be found)...and unfortunately we built (and had ceramic coated) the wrong side. Very unfortunate, believe me, it was a punch in the gut to see we sent the wrong side, by that time we were in the middle of another production run which ran into delays. Communication at that time was not ideal, Georgie was stepping away and we were still unsure who was handling what, I must admit it was unfortunate. At the end I am glad we were able to get your proper side to you and if any issues arise I hope we can have the opportunity to help and show we have improved overall. I hope you are having a great time with your project and I sincerely hope you reach out if you need a gasket/bolts or anything we can assist with.

I appreciate your words and they will serve as inspiration to improve.

I wish you guys well. My only complaint is the communication side of things. Thats it. I keep saying that. If you told me up front it was going to be two months I wouldn’t have been happy but i would have understood. Set expectations. Under commit and over deliver. Don’t work sundays or pay extra for over night shipping. Tell me it will be there on Tuesday and then deliver on Tuesday. Or Monday.

Just deliver.

Good luck. I really do wish you well.

Dan

[JimStone]

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3) UPS is the BEST. They cost a little more, but their employees are professionals who care about their jobs and are held to very high standards. UPS is the Navy Seals of delivery services. They are worth every penny.

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My brother -in-law has been a manager at UPS for a few decades and those boys are LOYAL (and really well paid)

[Tango]

Agree, Ups drivers always move like they have some place to go……that said….My driver clocks in a break every time he come to my house…that is after he saw what was being built in the garage. He is a mustang fanatic and said….”I did not know you were this kind of cool”….I chose to take that as a compliment.

[Justin]

I place my order on May3. On Monday will be 12weeks. And I was under the impression that it would take that long, so I guess it's time to start making some regular phone call to get some action happening. I'll report back.

[cv2065]

3) UPS is the BEST. They cost a little more, but their employees are professionals who care about their jobs and are held to very high standards. UPS is the Navy Seals of delivery services. They are worth every penny.

Let's not get too carried away. I watched my female UPS driver tumble my TKO through the truck and down the stairs. There are no perfect companies. It's just when something does go sideways, how they handle it. I had a great initial experience with Intatrim, but they are now dropping the ball. Mileage varies.

[Mike.Bray]

Let's not get too carried away. I watched my female UPS driver tumble my TKO through the truck and down the stairs. There are no perfect companies. It's just when something does go sideways, how they handle it. I had a great initial experience with Intatrim, but they are now dropping the ball. Mileage varies.

Agree, where we live we get better service from FedEx. A few months ago I had an overnight package coming to me via UPS. Tracking it I could see it wasn't going to make it, when it should have been on the truck it was still at the local distribution center which isn't far from me BTW. Used to be you could go and pick it up there but not now.

After a few phone calls UPS said they could deliver it the next day (Saturday) to a local UPS store and I could pick it up there. For a $7 fee. I get to pay extra to get my package "only" one day late. I was not impressed.

[gbranham]

With my home security camera, I got video of an Amazon driver pulling into my driveway, open his door, drop the package out the door, then BACK OVER the package with his front tire, then drive through my front yard. I sent the video to Amazon customer service, and to my surprise, they actually responded and said they'd coach the driver. They didn't, however, offer to make me whole on my flattened product.

And FedEx left a package in a snow drift at the end of my 160ft driveway. My driveway was plowed and dry, but he simply opened his door and dropped it in the snow drift. I had to hunt for it after getting the text notification that it had been delivered, but it was nowhere in sight. It was a white box, to boot.

I think every delivery company has it's 'fail' moments.

Greg

[Rian_Colorado]

I wish you guys well. My only complaint is the communication side of things. Thats it. I keep saying that. If you told me up front it was going to be two months I wouldn’t have been happy but i would have understood. Set expectations. Under commit and over deliver. Don’t work sundays or pay extra for over night shipping. Tell me it will be there on Tuesday and then deliver on Tuesday. Or Monday.

Just deliver.

Good luck. I really do wish you well.

Dan

I could not agree more with Dan's major (and recurring!) point. I really don't get why more business owners don't understand this. When I ran several businesses, that was my PRIMARY goal. Under promise - over deliver - and MAINLY on timeframe! If I told ya that I'd get it done by the end of the week -then in MY mind, I wanted it done on Wednesday! I actually got cross with a client once for telling them "It'll happen mid week" - he was mad that we showed up on TUESDAY instead of Wed. (And he was drunk... and an asshat...)

Setting realistic timeframe goals seems to be some super hard task in the "build your own car" business. I think vendors have a feeling of "well they won't order it if we tell them it's gonna be 5 months!" mentality. But YES, yes we will...... we'll just order it SOONER so that it shows up when we need it..... I had much the same experience as Dan, being told, "it'll ship next week!"... then a month later I still didn't have it.

I also agree with the "pay us 100% upfront, then we'll ship it in 5 months!" Bit. Yeah, we understand that you have costs, and that you don't wanna be holding the bag if a builder decides to back out. So charge a 50% deposit? but the whole thing up front rubs people wrong.

Having been in Manufacturing for much of my career - I'll never understand a company that has NO inventory. If it takes you 5 months to complete, then have at least 3 or 4 months on the shelf! Use new orders to drive the manufacturing "start" point, and cut down on Delivery time. I SWEAR you would increase orders 30-50%.

I could write for another hour, but I'm done piling on, and rambling. Also, I DID get my pipes from Gas-n, they DO fit so far (I've only mounted the Drivers side header) and they ARE gorgeous! Since almost no one has complained that they somehow don't work, and don't sound good - I'm expecting to be quite content! Like Dan - my biggest gripe was with the timeframe. I was expecting it though, so not really that impactful for my build.

Rian

[Justin]

Called yesterday and today 8/6/2025 about the "brushed Stainless" order I placed on May 3. I got a return text after the second call telling me that an inquiry has been made to find out where my order is in the line. I'll report back soon.

[Justin]

Shortly after making the last post Horacio called and said my order (brushed stainless headers and pipes) should be done and shipping by middle of next week. So as of yesterday I'm looking at 13ish weeks.

[OB6]

I received my pipes last week, and they're beautiful. Horacio followed up with me to ensure everything was in good order, and he also mentioned that they made some jig changes to improve fitment. I mocked up the PS last night and so far it appears I won't need wedges. That statement may be the kiss of death, but I'm optimistic based on how things line up.

[Rian_Colorado]

Bolted my in yesterday, everything fit exactly as is should. No problems or need to adjust any hole locations etc.

I can't wait to hear them honestly.....

Pics to come at some point

[Justin]

Horacio called again yesterday. Said he was shooting to ship them today (Thursday). Should be here next week if all goes like he hopes. 14 weeks. Fingers crossed that make the truck soon.

[Justin]

Pipes shoes up yesterday. They look the part. Fantastic! Headers should arrive tomorrow. I’ll post some photos later. Horacio called me to let me know they were on the truck for delivery. They also sent UPS emails with tracking. I know the lead times are pretty far out but it seems they are genuinely working hard to reduce those times. That said, the lead times are posted on their site and was stated again in my confirmation email. I planned for 3 months and it was 3.5. Not bad IMO!

[Autonut]

Months and months for delivery after paying 100% up front. Nope

If a vendor needs a 100% deposit for a high demand non-custom part, then he's under capitalized. And running his business on a shoe string. I understand a nominal non-refundable deposit for your place in line and the guarantee for that part and that spot in line. Default you lose, understood. But 100% is out of the ordinary and should raise a red flag immediately.
No matter what his reputation is at that point. All it takes is a hiccup and you're where you're at now. No dog in the fight, just an observation and my unsolicited 2-cents. YMMV.

[Mike.Bray]

If a vendor needs a 100% deposit for a high demand non-custom part, then he's under capitalized. And running his business on a shoe string. I understand a nominal non-refundable deposit for your place in line and the guarantee for that part and that spot in line. Default you lose, understood. But 100% is out of the ordinary and should raise a red flag immediately.
No matter what his reputation is at that point. All it takes is a hiccup and you're where you're at now. No dog in the fight, just an observation and my unsolicited 2-cents. YMMV.

Hundred percent. When I redid my engine last year I looked at Gas N for some bigger headers with the 3" bolt spacing that would better fit my new cylinder heads. I asked Georgie what kind of deposit he needed and he said 100% no exceptions. With all of the issues I'd read about Gas N with their fitment and delivery delays I knew all was not well there so I passed.

I received my headers & sidepipes from FFR in late 2022 and thought the quality was very good. You can throw the headers from across the room and they'll go on perfectly. The sidepipes were good quality, in fact I've got a spare set that I'm in the process of modifying for my 68 Camaro. The only thing I did was have them ceramic coated as I didn't like the colors polished stainless turns. The heat reduction is an added bonus.

[OB6]

It's really unfortunate, because it does seem like they're getting some of their fitment issues addressed, and the overall quality is excellent. But that's all irrelevant if customer service and basic communication is in the toilet. I believe Horatio is trying to do the right thing, but I think he's overwhelmed and running day-to-day in reaction mode. It's not sustainable, clearly.

While I have an issue with one pipe being slightly longer than the other, they fit well with no wedges etc. I've chosen to live with this because I can't imagine the process of sending the pipe back for adjustment or trying to get another. Horatio and I discussed both of those options, but I can't get in touch with him to proceed. I hate that I've had to lower my standards, but I need to leave well enough alone and move on. If it really bothers me in the future, I'll find a good local shop to fix it.

I would find alternatives to GasN if I had to do it again, unfortunately. I'll just chalk the mismatched pipes up to another quirck of owning and building a Cobra.

[Mike.Bray]

While I have an issue with one pipe being slightly longer than the other, they fit well with no wedges etc. I've chosen to live with this

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[PNWTim]

Not to beat, then trample on a dead horse but the crux of the matter is there are exactly 2 choices if you own a coupe and want the traditional looking pipes. I spent last year looking at options (virtually none) for the Coupe/Gen4 Coyote combo. FFR didn't even have the appropriate header setup until the middle of the year and the reports back of the noise really discouraged me going that direction.

So, I rolled the dice and went with Gas-N but may still live to regret that decision. I think the ultimate fix would be for FFR to adjust their sound and be done with it. From what I read, the build quality is excellent so fixing the exhaust note should be a no brainer but probably easier said than done.