What Oil Pan-347/363

[Doc76]

What oil pan/pump/pickup to maintain ground clearance is recommended for our Mk4’s?
Looks like the z2363 I am considering comes with a deep pan.

[TBull]

I have used the Champ Road race pan on multiple builds with good success. That in tandem with the energy motor mounts.

[Mike.Bray]

Might as well go with the best, Aviaid 155-55362

https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf-ss2.html

[Doc76]

Might as well go with the best, Aviaid 155-55362

https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf-ss2.html

Certainly nice ones!
Looks like they’re all front sump. Width wise it’ll work but front sump and drain plug on the front? Not sure if that’s kosher in our Mk4. I think we’re better off rear sump no?
Have you used this one before in an FFR Mk4?

[rich grsc]

Fits just fine.

[Mike.Bray]

Certainly nice ones!
Looks like they’re all front sump. Width wise it’ll work but front sump and drain plug on the front? Not sure if that’s kosher in our Mk4. I think we’re better off rear sump no?
Have you used this one before in an FFR Mk4?

That's actually a copy of pans that were in the original 427 Cobras. I'm running the 351W version, fits fine.

https://www.imagecoast.com/images/MichaelBray1/20241201141847.jpg

[Jeff Kleiner]

Mk4 is wide open and can go front or rear dump. We have to go rear dump with the Mk5.

Jeff

[GoDadGo]

Mk4 is wide open and can go front or rear dump. We have to go rear dump with the Mk5.

Jeff

Like A Chevy Sir Jeffski?

[rich grsc]

Like A Chevy Sir Jeffski?
:rolleyes:

[Mike.Bray]

Like A Chevy Sir Jeffski?

Now you know you can't put a Chevy engine in a copy of a British sports car. Chevys only go in Ford street rods.

[Doc76]

Fits just fine.

Rich do you have this one on your 331?
Wondering if main caps have to be ground to make this fit the 302 platform as Aviad told me today on the phone.

[Doc76]

Mk4 is wide open and can go front or rear dump. We have to go rear dump with the Mk5.

Jeff

Is there an advantage to one over another?

[Mike.Bray]

Rich do you have this one on your 331?
Wondering if main caps have to be ground to make this fit the 302 platform as Aviad told me today on the phone.

I have a 351 so very similar. It will fit a 4 bolt main block as long as main #1 & #5 are 2 bolts like a Dart SHP block. SVO and Iron Eagle blocks have all 4 bolt main caps and these pans will not fit those.

https://www.imagecoast.com/images/MichaelBray1/20241130163445.jpg

[Doc76]

I’d have to say the Aviaid looks like it has the highest quality of workmanship of any of the pans.
I do notice is 6qt capacity vs the Champs 8qt
Any issue with that, say running hotter, increased wear, etc?

[Mike.Bray]

I’d have to say the Aviaid looks like it has the highest quality of workmanship of any of the pans.
I do notice is 6qt capacity vs the Champs 8qt
Any issue with that, say running hotter, increased wear, etc?

It is very high quality.

It's 6 quarts plus the filter. This is plenty of oil for a street engine, especially if you run a high performance oil like Driven.

[BUDFIVE]

I changed from a factory Mustang pan to a rear sump Kevko F901 Cobra Kit Car model. I’m happy with the quality and 7+1 capacity. It fixed the oil pressure drop I saw during heavy braking in early go cart drives.
211405
https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f901-cobra-kit-car-pan-rear-sump

More in my build thread-#86
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?47734-BUDFIVE%92s-CenTex-Build-Shop-prep-Light-Connectors-Body-Prep-Undercoating&p=575388

[Mike.Bray]

Depending on your motor mounts and how your engine sits in the frame that Kevko 7.5" pan could hang slightly below the frame rails, not something you want.

[Jacob McCrea]

"What oil pan/pump/pickup to maintain ground clearance is recommended for our Mk4’s? Looks like the z2363 I am considering comes with a deep pan."

I'm almost certain the front sump pan that comes on the Z2363 crate engine will give enough clearance on a Mk4. I have that oil pan (https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6675-FT302) on the 302 in my Gen 2 Type 65 and it does not hang below the frame rails (I am using Energy Suspension engine mounts). I can't comment on the rear sump version, nor on how effective it is on a track. The price was very steep to buy it separately, but the quality was there, for what that's worth.

[Doc76]

"What oil pan/pump/pickup to maintain ground clearance is recommended for our Mk4’s? Looks like the z2363 I am considering comes with a deep pan."

I'm almost certain the front sump pan that comes on the Z2363 crate engine will give enough clearance on a Mk4. I have that oil pan (https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6675-FT302) on the 302 in my Gen 2 Type 65 and it does not hang below the frame rails (I am using Energy Suspension engine mounts). I can't comment on the rear sump version, nor on how effective it is on a track. The price was very steep to buy it separately, but the quality was there, for what that's worth.
Good to know thanks
It’s looking like I am more likely to be going 363 Dart SHP with AFR heads. I was under the impression it was cheaper to buy crate which is what turned me onto that z2363 originally, but not so in Western Canada. By the time I land a Z2363 at my local dealer, I’m $24k into that motor (no carb, intake, etc), and that was before the tariffs :(
Looks like I can build a Dart 363 with AFR heads for less.
That’s according to several reputable engine builders.

[Doc76]

I have used the Champ Road race pan on multiple builds with good success. That in tandem with the energy motor mounts.

Is this the one you’ve used?
CP302LT-RR

[Greg K]

Don't forget to check for the correct pick up tube for different pans that may be required as well.

[Doc76]

Would a front sump oil pan 8.1” deep work?

[Jeff Kleiner]

Would a front sump oil pan 8.1” deep work?

7.5" maximum.

Jeff

[TBull]

Is this the one you’ve used?
CP302LT-RR


That looks right. I bought mine from Gordon both times and it came with the dipstick tube.

[Doc76]

Any one run the Boss front sump pan that's 7.5" deep?
I have access to a brand new one that is a very good deal.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m6675-ft302?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[rich grsc]

:eek: good lord that price is redicules, that's just a stock ford pan they reworked. Anything over $500 is high for that kind of pan

[Doc76]

:eek: good lord that price is redicules, that's just a stock ford pan they reworked. Anything over $500 is high for that kind of pan

Agreed!
Local guy here has a BN takeoff from his crate 363. Can get it for ~$175 with pickup tube. Figured for that price it might be good to grab.

[rich grsc]

That I would grab as well