Orlando FL registration

[bartock]

If anyone has done a recent registration in FL please feel free to chime in. I have read the many threads and the changes from replica to assembled from parts back to replica. I went to the DMV, and everything was going smoothly...until it wasnt. They agreed that the replica title was appropriate but wanted everything on the forms to match the certificate of origin. When trying to input the make and model, they were able to find factory five for the make but couldnt select the model. A support ticket was submitted to the state but they said it could take a few hours to a few days to resolve. I did not know if anyone else was successful lately with this and if so what did the dmv put in the fields?

Cant wait to drive legally!

[bartock]

Here is an update on my epic DMV journey so far.
DMV 1: Told me to leave and come back once I get an odometer statement on the back of the COO. Insisted I didnt need one since it there was no engine or odometer and since its a 1965 can be exempt. Refused to let me talk to a supervisor and insisted I leave.

DMV2: Spent 2 hours waiting, one of which was waiting on confirmation from Tallahassee that I could register as a replica, which they did! Factory Five showed up in their drop down but then they couldnt find the model, then said their computer went down and would probably take a while and best to make another appointment. At least I got confirmation the main office said Replica was good to go. First available time I could get back was in a week.

DMV3: Co located with the FL NHTSB field office that handles assembled from parts. Clerk refused to even let me start explaining, took my paperwork back to the field office and told me to go there. They said had to be ASPT as they cant do replicas. I said I was aware and why I went to the DMV outside. They agreed should be a replica and meets the requirements. The DMV clerk said "wasnt comfortable doing that" and didnt try.

Will try a 3rd party tag office tomorrow and if that fails I will go back to DMV2 that was actually helpful. If all that fails I will go the ASPT route.

I feel at this point the clerks at the dmv just dont want to do anything they aren't familiar with and instead of helping just push it off to someone else. The next available ASPT inspection is Feb 11th so hopefully I will get someone who will actually try instead of just refusing.

May the odds be in your favor with the FL DMV!

[Mike.Bray]

Here's a thought, look for an attorney that handles lost and bonded titles. They're out there, I used one here in Texas to handle my paperwork for me. These people are used to dealing with the DMV and usually know a lot of people there. Might be able to help get it over the edge.

[bartock]

Thanks I may end up trying that. I am just a bit baffled that people working in an essential service department can just refuse to help because they dont want to. smh

[Kbl7td]

They still don’t have the coupe on here. Cobra yes. Maybe you can show them this…

https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/manufacturer/details/21481

[bartock]

I did. Brought the TL 48, sunbiz and that along with everything else. The 3rd dmv location wouldnt even let me start explaining what I was trying to do and sent me back to the office that handles assembled from parts. I showed them my stuff and they said I was right and to go back out to the main dmv. The same lady sent me packing without being able to explain anything. The gist I got from the FLHTSB was "we work in the same building but cant make them do their jobs" Said if they dont do it then come back in Feb for an inspection and they could handle the TL41 process for aspt. The Orange County dmv workers are borderline hostile.

[cv2065]

The Orange County dmv workers are borderline hostile.

LOL. Which location did you go to that entertained the 'replica' title. I originally went to the West Colonial branch.

[bartock]

Lee Vista. After an hr call with Tallahassee they agreed to do as replica but then they couldn't find the model in the drop down and said their computer crashed. Clarcona has the fl regional field office and they pretty much wouldn't even look at it.

[MB750]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://1dollarmontana.com/

[bartock]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://1dollarmontana.com/

what was the turn around time on that? and how did they title it, as from parts or replica? The next orange county inspection isnt until Feb 11th so I am waiting either way probably.

[bartock]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office. The clerk wasnt sure how to proceed, but with the printed out TL-48 he actually read it! The other clerks at the dmv pretty much ignored it. Between him and his supervisor making sure everything was in order they processed it at a Replica Titled 1965 Cobra. It took about 30 minutes for them to figure it all out, but I walked away with an antique plate and registration.

Hopefully this helps anyone in the Orlando area. Now that the have done mine it shouldnt be hard for them to do again.

[bartock]

Oh and if anyone needs to know, OATA will handle other counties, not just Orange county. They just cant give you a printed title right there if out of county, but will do an electronic title that you can request printed from the dmv later.

[MB750]

what was the turn around time on that? and how did they title it, as from parts or replica? The next orange county inspection isnt until Feb 11th so I am waiting either way probably.

Titled as a 1965 Factory Five Racing Roadster. Took about 5 weeks, but mostly because I dragged my feet on two of them.

I tried the 3rd party thing here and drew nothing but questions. I'm curious what does the "Make/Manufacturer" say on your title?

[bartock]

mine says 1965/COBR and body says RD. I asked why the letters were cut off but they said the form limits to 4 letters. They went off the NHTSB replica info that it was a 1965 Cobra Replica. I had the thought that the make should say Factory Five, but they put that info into internal comments on the title application. On the title it does have the field filled in that says Brands: FL-Replica. They went with the 950lbs on the MCO and after they said the system accepted everything and went to get my antique plate I wasnt about to bring up the 2250lbs listed on the data sheet. I checked a few mins ago and everything is in the FL DMV database for registration and tag renewal.

Everytime I went into a place and said Title for a Replica Car their eyes glazed over. I would present the TL48 and title application that shows you can check the box for replica. I still feel I got lucky that they were willing to give it a try. As long as they can put the info in the right boxes and it goes through it doesnt seem like it should be a problem. It is a shame that a lot of places just dont try and send you on your way.

[cv2065]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office. The clerk wasnt sure how to proceed, but with the printed out TL-48 he actually read it! The other clerks at the dmv pretty much ignored it. Between him and his supervisor making sure everything was in order they processed it at a Replica Titled 1965 Cobra. It took about 30 minutes for them to figure it all out, but I walked away with an antique plate and registration.

Hopefully this helps anyone in the Orlando area. Now that the have done mine it shouldnt be hard for them to do again.

That's awesome! Way to go!! I'll be heading to OATA!

[runamuk]

Oh and if anyone needs to know, OATA will handle other counties, not just Orange county. They just cant give you a printed title right there if out of county, but will do an electronic title that you can request printed from the dmv later.

Do you have a phone number for them?

[MB750]

. It is a shame that a lot of places just dont try and send you on your way.

That was my experience wherever I tried. Also, that seems to be the M.O. for many things down here in FL, especially related to Gov't related matters.

[mburger]

When it is time I'll be heading there myself. It'll be worth the drive to that office to have it electronically created. I would make the drive there from SW Florida mainly because that Office has done it thanks to you!

[maclonchas]

Very interesting on Bartok approach

[bartock]

https://oata.com/ (407) 574-5485
There was a guy from another county in when i was there and they processed his stuff just said they cant print his title.

For mburger, check out https://leetc.com/ first

FL allows 3rd party tag agencies to do most DMV functions. There are the normal tax collector/dmv offices and most counties have the tag agencies. Bring the TL48 with you. If that fails OATA should be able to do it but I would call first to make sure they will do yours out of county.

[cv2065]

Did they require a running car or you can register whenever?

[bartock]

Going with the TL48 procedure for a replica, they dont need to see the car or have it running. As long as you have the certificate of origin you can get the title. Once its running and you have insurance you can get the registration but there is no inspection or any safety checks with a tl48. I got my insurance from haggarty and gave them the serial number as the vin. I think having that done already helped the process. If the dmv assigns a different vin if they force an assembled from parts route, you have to get the insurance changed.

[MB750]

Going with the TL48 procedure for a replica, they dont need to see the car or have it running. As long as you have the certificate of origin you can get the title. Once its running and you have insurance you can get the registration but there is no inspection or any safety checks with a tl48. I got my insurance from haggarty and gave them the serial number as the vin. I think having that done already helped the process. If the dmv assigns a different vin if they force an assembled from parts route, you have to get the insurance changed.

That's exactly what I tried to do at first, but I didn't try any of those 3rd party DMV places.

In my opinion, these cars are much more Replicas than "Assembled from Parts".

[bartock]

I can see how places would want to say assembled from parts though. The certificate says kit on it, and so does the invoice. I wouldnt have been opposed to doing assembled if they would ensure that ASPT wasnt going on the title as the make. Since factory five spent so much time going through the FL DMV hoops to get these as a replica though I wanted to go the replica route. After the 2nd dmv called Tallahassee and they told them to register as a replica I was even more set on it.

[MB750]

If the second DMV was going to register it as a replica, why did you go to the 3rd party place?

I also wonder if me raising Cane about it made any difference

[mburger]

Both Henry (65 CobraDude) working with Dave Smith spent a lot of time getting it at least to this point. Much appreciation to both of them for their efforts and as is common, much of it is quietly happening behind the scenes.
I personally was never a fan of people fighting to get their cars titled as a 65 Cobra. It's not a 65 Cobra, it is a replica. It always was and always should be. I completely understand why someone would want their title and registration showing as a 1965 vehicle but unless someone has a Time Machine it'll always be a replica and I'm good with that.
I am going to start working on my TL48 form just to get ahead of it.

[bartock]

If the second DMV was going to register it as a replica, why did you go to the 3rd party place?

I also wonder if me raising Cane about it made any difference

I had already been there 2 hours and partway through their system went down. After 20 mins they told me just to make another appointment and come back. But first available appointment wasnt for another week and a half. So I went to DMV 3 and next day to the tag agency, rather than waiting.

[bartock]

Both Henry (65 CobraDude) working with Dave Smith spent a lot of time getting it at least to this point. Much appreciation to both of them for their efforts and as is common, much of it is quietly happening behind the scenes.
I personally was never a fan of people fighting to get their cars titled as a 65 Cobra. It's not a 65 Cobra, it is a replica. It always was and always should be. I completely understand why someone would want their title and registration showing as a 1965 vehicle but unless someone has a Time Machine it'll always be a replica and I'm good with that.
I am going to start working on my TL48 form just to get ahead of it.

I wanted to push for replica mainly because as you mentioned Henry and Dave have been fighting for it. The title is branded as replica and I am happy with that. I just didnt want to have a 2025 ASPT generic title that didnt reflect what the car was a replica of especially when the TL48 procedure for the mk4 was given a green light by the state. It just seems to me the people at the tax collector offices dont know and dont care. If it takes them more than 10 seconds to think about it they give up.

[mburger]

I wanted to push for replica mainly because as you mentioned Henry and Dave have been fighting for it. The title is branded as replica and I am happy with that. I just didnt want to have a 2025 ASPT generic title that didnt reflect what the car was a replica of especially when the TL48 procedure for the mk4 was given a green light by the state. It just seems to me the people at the tax collector offices dont know and dont care. If it takes them more than 10 seconds to think about it they give up.

Agree 100%

[Cutter 54]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office.


Your words from recent post. What does OATA stand for? What do they charge? Did you have to have the car inspected?
Thanks in advance. I am waiting for an inspection in March in Lake County to register my roadster as ASPT. What an ordeal.

[bartock]

Success!
Went to OATA on Lee Rd, a 3rd party tag office.


Your words from recent post. What does OATA stand for? What do they charge? Did you have to have the car inspected?
Thanks in advance. I am waiting for an inspection in March in Lake County to register my roadster as ASPT. What an ordeal.

Orlando Auto Tag Agency. They provide services for people that live out of orange county as well. They just cant print paper titles, but after you get a digital one you can have it printed from the online dmv site. If you dont want to wait till march, give them a try. No inspection needed and because its registered at a 1965 the odometer reading is exempt. All you need is to bring the TL-48, your certificate of origin, invoice and filled out title application. If you want it registered you need insurance. You can use the FFR serial number as the vin as that will be the official vin with the tl48 procedure.

My kit came out to about 27k so they charged tax on that to register it. Came out to about 1800

[cv2065]

Orlando Auto Tag Agency. They provide services for people that live out of orange county as well. They just cant print paper titles, but after you get a digital one you can have it printed from the online dmv site. If you dont want to wait till march, give them a try. No inspection needed and because its registered at a 1965 the odometer reading is exempt. All you need is to bring the TL-48, your certificate of origin, invoice and filled out title application. If you want it registered you need insurance. You can use the FFR serial number as the vin as that will be the official vin with the tl48 procedure.

My kit came out to about 27k so they charged tax on that to register it. Came out to about 1800

Filling out my T-48 now. I think I'll get insurance so that I can go ahead and get a plate. I'll need it for go-karting anyway which hopefully isn't too far off. In Section 1 of the form, it asks for Customer Number, Fleet Number, Unit Number and County. I'm assuming you left all of that blank except maybe for county? Did you also put N/A for both GVW and BHP/CC as indicated on the FFR CO?

Just wanting to be sure that this is complete as one omission and one can get sent home. Thanks again for forging the way here. Really great!

[bartock]

Filling out my T-48 now. I think I'll get insurance so that I can go ahead and get a plate. I'll need it for go-karting anyway which hopefully isn't too far off. In Section 1 of the form, it asks for Customer Number, Fleet Number, Unit Number and County. I'm assuming you left all of that blank except maybe for county? Did you also put N/A for both GVW and BHP/CC as indicated on the FFR CO?

Just wanting to be sure that this is complete as one omission and one can get sent home. Thanks again for forging the way here. Really great!

All the stuff at the top I left blank. For weight I put 950 as that was whats on the certificate. GVW and bhp i left blank. its not needed. Checked the Replica Box. Year I put 1965, I had left make and model blank, but they ended up putting Cobra in the make/manufacturer box. Odometer I had initially put 1 but they said it was exempt as a 1965 replica. Near the bottom of the first page is a place for sales type, and the invoice price you paid goes there.

[ASL67]

Hello bartock, question for you. I will be building mine in the north Tampa area, does Florida require an inspection as well?? I currently live in Chicago land and here they require an inspection prior to licensing. Thank you Andy

[bartock]

If you can get it titled as a replica then no inspection required. If they refuse and make you register as a assembled from parts they do an inspection but it's just really matching the serial number. They don't check functionality

[cv2065]

Thought I'd update this thread with my experience at the Lee Road OATA today.

First off, Bartok, they remembered you and the replica registration! LOL. That place is very organized, professional and got me in on the appointment time. Gave the woman my TL-48 already filled out, FFR Kit receipt, and the COO. I had a copy of the TL-48 process, but she didn't need it. She used the FFR COO number as the VIN and asked me for the mileage. I said that it was zero. She said it can't be zero and I said can you just make it exempt. She said yes and that will enable access to an antique plate. I won't be getting that but she knew what she was doing. The only other thing that came up was that Factory Five did not come up in her system. This was the hangup when I registered the last car at the DMV. At that point, they gave up and said ASPT. Not this time. She looked at the COO and said I'm just going to use Cobra and I said that will work. Paid the taxes (painful) and walked out the door. Took about 25 minutes in all. The DMV in comparison is a disaster!

So it's now titled as a Red 1965 Cobra with Replica as the 'Brand'. Very cool and much better than ASPT or Factory Trailer! The title is digital and I'll get it printed out when I go get my plate.

Thanks for the heads up on this Bartok!! I owe you a beer!

[maclonchas]

Glad it worked out for you. I am headed there next Wednesday and hopefully I get through the system. I have not tried before at any DMV so I should not be in the system.

Thanks

Bill

[bartock]

Thought I'd update this thread with my experience at the Lee Road OATA today.

First off, Bartok, they remembered you and the replica registration! LOL. That place is very organized, professional and got me in on the appointment time. Gave the woman my TL-48 already filled out, FFR Kit receipt, and the COO. I had a copy of the TL-48 process, but she didn't need it. She used the FFR COO number as the VIN and asked me for the mileage. I said that it was zero. She said it can't be zero and I said can you just make it exempt. She said yes and that will enable access to an antique plate. I won't be getting that but she knew what she was doing. The only other thing that came up was that Factory Five did not come up in her system. This was the hangup when I registered the last car at the DMV. At that point, they gave up and said ASPT. Not this time. She looked at the COO and said I'm just going to use Cobra and I said that will work. Paid the taxes (painful) and walked out the door. Took about 25 minutes in all. The DMV in comparison is a disaster!

So it's now titled as a Red 1965 Cobra with Replica as the 'Brand'. Very cool and much better than ASPT or Factory Trailer! The title is digital and I'll get it printed out when I go get my plate.

Thanks for the heads up on this Bartok!! I owe you a beer!

Nice! Yeah they did the same on mine. They were much more accommodating there and they serve all of FL, so might be worth a drive for some people. Congrats and happy it worked!

[mburger]

I think you simply lucked out and this is not a, "process or template" for all to follow. The key to your success was, "she just gave up and said I'll just use Cobra."
99 times out of 100, you are not going to get someone to just say, well I can't find Factory Five Racing anywhere in here so I'll just call it a Cobra.
I can't get my head around TL-48 page 3. Top of the page with the heading special instructions.
A. Replicas are not assembled from a kit and must not be titled in the regional office.
B. Replica vehicles are completely new vehicles, manufactured to look like old vehicles. Replica vehicle vehicles are sometimes referred to as reproductions.
C. The manufacturer of the replica vehicle must be registered with the national highway traffic safety administration.

My personal opinion, this is a replica built from a kit. It says kit all over the COO. This is not a reproduction vehicle.
it's also not a 1965 anything.
I know this is an unpopular Opinion and I completely understand why many people want it titled as a 1965 cobra. I just think if suddenly a half dozen people show up at that office and get the same person she's going to get caught. I said caught because she is going against what is clearly laid out on page 3.
As it is, cops see a Montana plate tooling around Florida, (for those that chose that route) and they will pull you over. "They're hip to that jive." lol I Think the same can happen here. I hope that is not the case. I'm glad it worked for you and I hope it works for everyone else who tries. I just think this is more of the Luck Of The Draw at the counter and the odds are similar to picking the big jackpot scratch off.

[MB750]

As it is, cops see a Montana plate tooling around Florida, (for those that chose that route) and they will pull you over. "They're hip to that jive."

Please stop spreading this rumor, it's false. I've already been seen and followed by cops and they did nothing.

[cv2065]

I think you simply lucked out and this is not a, "process or template" for all to follow. The key to your success was, "she just gave up and said I'll just use Cobra."
99 times out of 100, you are not going to get someone to just say, well I can't find Factory Five Racing anywhere in here so I'll just call it a Cobra.
I can't get my head around TL-48 page 3. Top of the page with the heading special instructions.
A. Replicas are not assembled from a kit and must not be titled in the regional office.
B. Replica vehicles are completely new vehicles, manufactured to look like old vehicles. Replica vehicle vehicles are sometimes referred to as reproductions.
C. The manufacturer of the replica vehicle must be registered with the national highway traffic safety administration.

My personal opinion, this is a replica built from a kit. It says kit all over the COO. This is not a reproduction vehicle.
it's also not a 1965 anything.
I know this is an unpopular Opinion and I completely understand why many people want it titled as a 1965 cobra. I just think if suddenly a half dozen people show up at that office and get the same person she's going to get caught. I said caught because she is going against what is clearly laid out on page 3.
As it is, cops see a Montana plate tooling around Florida, (for those that chose that route) and they will pull you over. "They're hip to that jive." lol I Think the same can happen here. I hope that is not the case. I'm glad it worked for you and I hope it works for everyone else who tries. I just think this is more of the Luck Of The Draw at the counter and the odds are similar to picking the big jackpot scratch off.

The entire DMV is a big jackpot scratch off in my opinion. My first car was initially registered as a red Factory Trailer after all. My COO did NOT say kit anywhere on it but it DID say 1965 Replica. The only place that said kit was the FFR receipt and that was at one spot on the top page. Regarding the first few lines of the TL-48, you could say the same about Superformance and Backdraft cars. They are assembled from multiple parts, different manufacturers and have their own frames, same as FFR, but I have a friend where his title says 1965 Cobra Replica, same as mine. Only difference there is that you have to buy the rolling chassis through a dealer.

[bartock]

Ill take my good luck and be happy. I am not sure why OATA couldnt see factory five in their system, but the 2nd dmv could and got approval from the state to run it as a replica, their servers just happened to crash. I remember them mentioning factory five in their system was showing as FFR and they had to verify it was the same. Some clerks are too meticulous and if there is any discrepancy they wont touch it. At OATA when I went the supervisor was shadowing the clerk who helped me and gave him the OK for it. They also had a state inspector in the building doing an audit and no one had a problem with the way they ran it for me. Mine is 1965 Cobra, title branded as Replica and in a remarks section they put in Factory Five Racing, but they said that is just internal for the application. They confirmed that since FFR was in sunbiz and registered the replica with the nhtsb as a replica per tl48 it was good to go. Other FFR models will definitely be a TL41 ASPT process since the roadster is the only one registered as a replica in their system so far.

Best of luck to anyone doing this in FL. It was definitely a headache with too many differing "official" ways to do it.

[Sigurd]

Ill take my good luck and be happy. I am not sure why OATA couldnt see factory five in their system, but the 2nd dmv could and got approval from the state to run it as a replica, their servers just happened to crash. I remember them mentioning factory five in their system was showing as FFR and they had to verify it was the same. Some clerks are too meticulous and if there is any discrepancy they wont touch it. At OATA when I went the supervisor was shadowing the clerk who helped me and gave him the OK for it. They also had a state inspector in the building doing an audit and no one had a problem with the way they ran it for me. Mine is 1965 Cobra, title branded as Replica and in a remarks section they put in Factory Five Racing, but they said that is just internal for the application. They confirmed that since FFR was in sunbiz and registered the replica with the nhtsb as a replica per tl48 it was good to go. Other FFR models will definitely be a TL41 ASPT process since the roadster is the only one registered as a replica in their system so far.

Best of luck to anyone doing this in FL. It was definitely a headache with too many differing "official" ways to do it.

I was looking forward to get my Daytona as a 65 replica. Cobra Daytona will not work?

[mburger]

Please stop spreading this rumor, it's false. I've already been seen and followed by cops and they did nothing.

So because you didn't get pulled over, nobody else will.
Got it.

[MB750]

So because you didn't get pulled over, nobody else will.
Got it.

You're the one saying "they will pull you over" when that's simply false.

I'm glad you understand.

[mburger]

Well if you want to be the poster boy in support of scamming the state tax system have at it.

[bartock]

Sigurd, if you look at the tl48 it says "The manufacturer of the replica vehicle must be registered with the National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration" If you pull up https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/manufacturer/details/21481 the cobra is the only replica FFR has registered with them. But it doesnt say on the TL48 that the model of the replica needs to be registered, only the company has to be. You may be able to get somewhere like OATA to run it as a replica if they decide not to read the whole tl48 and keep going the way they have been with the roadsters.

[cv2065]

I was looking forward to get my Daytona as a 65 replica. Cobra Daytona will not work?

I would definitely give it a shot Sigurd.

[Sigurd]

I would definitely give it a shot Sigurd.

Will do! See you in a bit.

[MB750]

Well if you want to be the poster boy in support of scamming the state tax system have at it.

Why does it seem like there's a disproportionate amount of people on this forum who are so butt-hurt over this Montana registration loophole?

My reasons had nothing to do with taxes. Are y'all jealous because you know FL screwed you over on your title branding and now nobody can have it any other way?

Grow up. There's more than one way to skin a cat. It's not 1950 anymore. People question authority all the time these days.

[Dgc333]

FWIW, if you take a trip to FFR you will find that most all the cars they have at their facility in Massachusetts have Montana plates on them.

As far as cops pulling you over for driving a vehicle with Montana plates in Florida (or any other state) you would need to be doing something else wrong (probable cause) in order for them to do so. If they run the plate it will be a legally registered vehicle in Montana. As far as cops knowing that folks are working a loop hole, only those that are also auto enthusiast's would have any idea and those cops aren't going to hassle you anyway.

[Mike.Bray]

I looked into the Montana loophole and decided the risk wasn't worth it for me but to each his own.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/hagerty-insider/the-montana-license-plate-loophole-explained/

[Kbl7td]

The last thing on my mind when doing the Montana route was tax. Tax on a 22k purchase is nothing. The prime reason was the 65 title which comes with accuracy in my opinion, and a slew of other benefits such as antique plates in the future, reduced insurance etc. Like someone said above you’d need to be pulled over with cause, AND the court would have to prove that vehicle is being harbored over 30 days in FL. Lucky for me I have a Montana LLC, just like my Delaware LLC in which my “company car” travels with me. It’s really no more complicated than that.

I’ll say it again because the irony is staggering, those raving about not getting 1965 in the title isn’t a big deal, are the ones saying you HAVE to put in a FORD! Any other engine is blasphemy!

Also, as all of you FL residents know. Tax on vehicles here is a joke, they aren’t making revenue that way. In MO I was taxed at sale, yearly on personal property, AND with the vehicle inspections and plates. In FL we pay every two year for tags and that’s it.

The big reason the other states cracked down are the people having 6-7 super cars, Florida should be more concerned with the giant amount of **** boxes driving around and uninsured and unlicensed drivers.

[maclonchas]

Well I told everyone I would give an update on my attempt to register at OATA on Lee Road. First off, the appointment system is fairly good and the people are friendly. I brought all my TL-48 paperwork to be registered and all seemed good and I looked at the title. It was registered as a 2023 Cobra Roadster with the comments field stating the car as a replica. They were allowing me to do the TL-48 process, but were hung up on the year for the car. They said the year on the title needed to match the MSO. The lady that helped Bartok came to help and said that was correct. I was about to admit defeat, when I said were they sure of that interpretation? I pointed to the TL-48 document and showed that the replica year was supposed to go in the year title block and the year of the MSO was supposed to be documented in the remarks. They asked me to wait back in the waiting room and needed to call the state dmv for advice :eek:. I sat outside in the waiting room and supposed this attempt was going to be a bust. They called me back in after 20 minutes and told me I needed to sign another document. The MSO was only in my name and I was registering it with my wife and my name. They said everything else was OK and I had a replica title (1965) and new antique plates. The only items that OATA required were the MSO, HMSV 82040, insurance, copy of drivers licenses, and the bill from FFR. With those documents, I finally have the car registered, titled and with valid tags in the state of Florida.

Thanks to Henry, Bartok and others for their insight and blazing the trail on this front. Definitely, glad this job is done and now to enjoy the car.

Cheers,

Bill

[MB750]

Congrats!

I'm actually glad Tallahassee is finally getting the screws taken to them by the remote offices about this. Maybe now there will be some statewide consistency in the process.

[maclonchas]

Matt et all,

I am not sure that is a statewide, regional or individual issue for the TL-48 process. If I understand the problem right form others, it has been timing of the documents and a lack of coordination between the DMV offices and Tallahassee. My experience with the FL DMV has been that they follow the norm processes and shy away from anything that goes counter from these norms. These offices are busy with a steady stream of clientele and are willing to punt on those more difficult issues. I am not sure if these offices are under some quantity/quality control, but they seem to bounce any issues to the supervisor and then defer to a later time to make a decision. They know that most people are time limited and just want to get the tags and title quickly. Not an opportune environment for one-offs like us. The TL-41 route goes through the regional office and it appears to me that they deflect to this option as it is easier for them to complete than the TL-48 which can be bounced back from Tallahassee. Just my thoughts.

I stay out of the fray of Montana or other methods of registering and this was never in my goals. We all make decisions and should know the consequences. We all in some way game the system a little bit and understand the risk (i.e. buy parts without paying taxes, speeding, direct payment for services (cash), etc.). I do not do these sort of things :cool: Let's keep this subject about helping others and letting people understand the risks.

Thanks

Bill

[MB750]

Matt et all,

I am not sure that is a statewide, regional or individual issue for the TL-48 process. If I understand the problem right form others, it has been timing of the documents and a lack of coordination between the DMV offices and Tallahassee. My experience with the FL DMV has been that they follow the norm processes and shy away from anything that goes counter from these norms. These offices are busy with a steady stream of clientele and are willing to punt on those more difficult issues. I am not sure if these offices are under some quantity/quality control, but they seem to bounce any issues to the supervisor and then defer to a later time to make a decision. They know that most people are time limited and just want to get the tags and title quickly. Not an opportune environment for one-offs like us. The TL-41 route goes through the regional office and it appears to me that they deflect to this option as it is easier for them to complete than the TL-48 which can be bounced back from Tallahassee. Just my thoughts.

I stay out of the fray of Montana or other methods of registering and this was never in my goals. We all make decisions and should know the consequences. We all in some way game the system a little bit and understand the risk (i.e. buy parts without paying taxes, speeding, direct payment for services (cash), etc.). I do not do these sort of things :cool: Let's keep this subject about helping others and letting people understand the risks.

Thanks

Bill

I agree with you on all this with the exception of the local DMV's following normal processes. I'd prefer to call it "following what they're used to" even if there's a process that gives direction. If they're not used to it, it gets turfed. We're basically saying the same thing.

[rickster991]

I am heading there in a couple of weeks on my way from south Florida to NC. What exactly do I need to bring? COO, receipt, license and proof of insurance? Thanks!

[MB750]

I am heading there in a couple of weeks on my way from south Florida to NC. What exactly do I need to bring? COO, receipt, license and proof of insurance? Thanks!

You might want to start a fresh thread for your application. From your words, it sounds like you're leaving FL and moving to NC.

[rickster991]

No I’m traveling to NC for vacation.

[cv2065]

COO, Receipts, completed TL-48, DL and proof of insurance and you'll be good to go.

[rickster991]

COO, Receipts, completed TL-48, DL and proof of insurance and you'll be good to go.

Thanks!

[rickster991]

It’s official! I am tagged and titled in FL. I made the 3 hour drive to OATA on Lee Road after the positive experience by others on the forum. The only issue was they first put the year as 2025. When i mentioned I thought it had to be 1965 they said that no it was the year of the manufacture. I did not complain, I just wanted it done. But, the supervisor reviewed it and told them it was backwards and had to be 1965 as the year. They fixed it and 15 mins later I left with a title, tag and application for a personalized plate. All in all it took 1 hour and no headaches. No more illegal go-karting!

[cv2065]

It’s official! I am tagged and titled in FL. I made the 3 hour drive to OATA on Lee Road after the positive experience by others on the forum. The only issue was they first put the year as 2025. When i mentioned I thought it had to be 1965 they said that no it was the year of the manufacture. I did not complain, I just wanted it done. But, the supervisor reviewed it and told them it was backwards and had to be 1965 as the year. They fixed it and 15 mins later I left with a title, tag and application for a personalized plate. All in all it took 1 hour and no headaches. No more illegal go-karting!

Good to hear! So you are titled as a 1965 Replica?

[rickster991]

Yes.

[rickster991]

I did not mention that I called 6 different agencies in South Florida and gave up trying to find a local resource that knew the process.

[cv2065]

I did not mention that I called 6 different agencies in South Florida and gave up trying to find a local resource that knew the process.

Great news for you. The DMV is the WRONG place to register these cars in Florida. Those people aren't educated about the process and don't give a flip.

[rickster991]

I need some help! I had to send my title back as the state says it’s wrong. What make, year, body, primary/secondary brand do you have on yours? My make is COBR, which the state does not like???

[cv2065]

Did they send you a notice? What are they saying is wrong with it?

[rickster991]

Yes, I had to mail it back to them. FL is not accepting it.

[rickster991]

I had to send it back to OATA. FL is not accepting COBR as the make.

[rickster991]

Update on my title. Had to go with ASPT. FL would not allow replica/kit with FFR. Details below.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?51417-Rick-s-Mark-V-Roadster-Build&p=599929&viewfull=1#post599929

[Claybuster]

I had a similar experience. I live in Panama City, FL, and since there is a State Patrol office 5 miles from my house, I chose to start there instead of the local DMV. The ladies in the inspections office offered help in getting everything done with very little (all things considered) pain and aggravation. I presented them both TL48 and TL41 sets of paperwork, a weight slip, receipts from FFR and BPE, and some pictures of the entire build. Their supervisor reviewed the paperwork, did some research on her end, and told me that as of that day, FFR had not properly registered their products with Florida, so we had to proceed with an "assembled from parts" vehicle. The BPE receipt didn't have the words "paid in full" or "balance due = $0.00, so I had to ask BPE for an updated invoice, and I had to provide a picture of the engine serial number installed in the car. After I paid a nominal fee for submitting the paperwork, they scheduled me for an inspection and issued a temporary tag to bring the vehicle to them.
About 10 days later, I drove the car to the inspection appointment. We spent about 10 minutes looking for the best place to affix the assigned VIN sticker, and absolutely NO time going through the vehicle systems. The inspector didn't even ask to see the brake lights come on! She walked around the vehicle once, asked what color I intended to paint it since it was complete but only in primer, and escorted me back inside to write the final check. I paid Florida sales tax for the kit and engine package and the registration/tag fees, and walked out with a tag.
I would have loved to have a registration that stated "1965 Replica" instead of "2025 ASPT", and it would have been cool to get a Florida antique tag, but in the end, I'm just happy that I can enjoy the final product of my 2.5 year build! It looks, sounds, and drives great!
Jason

[65 Cobra Dude]

Glad it worked out Rickster! Congratulations!!!

Henry