Sneak Peak at the new MK5

[Pizzman76]

Powernation TV just published the latest episode giving us look at the next generation Roadster. https://www.powernationtv.com/

Take my money Factory Five!

[gbranham]

Pretty darn cool! The frame looks dramatically different, and the footboxes and tranny tunnel are wildly different, as well! That hard top...oh la la!!! Wonder if I could retro fit that to my MkIV? The video suggests the MkV body is the same as the MkIV...hummm....

Greg

[kgkeys]

I want that roll bar!

[MPTech]

Looks cool! Can't wait to see one up close

[JohnnyB]

Wow!
Nicely done Factory Five.

[Kbl7td]

When is the alleged release date?

[Oshkosh Rob]

I’m just about done with my MK4 and starting to think about how to unload it so I can get the MK5. I really like the looks of some of the updates.

[fauxbra5.0]

That space frame is a thing if beauty, and the fact that they can spring it lighter for better ride quality is amazing! Adding space for bigger foot boxes AND a Coyote or even Godzilla is an engineering marvel. This may be one of those situations where my wife dragging her feet could be a win for me!

[MB750]

I was wondering when FFR would make the Godzilla an option. This makes sense.

Lotsa chassis tweaks too, like they dropped the 4" round tube mains.

I don't regret my MK4 tho, by any means. I kinda hope that hard top fits.

[Todd Baumann]

This is just an blurb of what is coming, you guys can't imagine it yet, but it is awesome.
Hang on for the ride.

[Tooth]

Now I gotta finish my mark IV before I start a mark V! :cool:

[edwardb]

Wow. I'm I the last mortal on earth just hearing about this? Kudos to Dave and the crew for keeping it under wraps for two years. Also for the courage to mess with their best seller. If the upgrade is as significant as the Gen 2 -> Gen 3 Coupe, should be awesome. Among other things, I like the thicker roll bar. They must of have heard how many don't care for the thinner Mk4 version. Hopefully that stays. Also a factory trunk box? How many other common mods have they incorporated? I'd be curious to know just how much they had to do to fit that Godzilla in there. Last I heard, took some real expensive aftermarket parts to deal with the height. Especially on the bottom end. The extra 200lbs isn't anything to sneeze at either. But I'm sure many will like the extra power and the sound. I guess we now have a pretty good guess of what might be offered as the 30th anniversary edition? Rumor is also maybe a special edition of the Coupe? Hmmm...

[CraigS]

FFR came out w/ the hotrod/truck and, w/ just a little knowledge of chassis design, I could see that it was a huge step forward. Then they redid the coupe, same thing. But I wondered if they would hesitate to drop the classic dual tube chassis for the roadster. Heritage and all. Wow, I sure am glad to see this MkV as it is one more huge step forward in tech. 3x chassis stiffness!!!!!

[Papa]

This news is coming at an interesting time for me as I will be retiring in February and have been wondering what to do with my free time. This could be the answer!

[MB750]

I find that chassis stiffness claim pretty awesome. I mean, on my Mk4 I can put a jack under the driver's side control arm and the passenger side only lags being raised by about an inch. That's pretty stiff IMO. If I did that with any OEM car the passenger side tire would never leave the ground.

[Pizzman76]

I have been following Factory Five since first reading about the roadster in Kit Car magazine in the 90ies. I'm really impressed with the product offerings coming out of FF as well as the investment back into the company to continue bringing a compelling product to it's customers.

Watching the company continue to vertically integrate through the years has given me confidence they have taken control of key drivers for quality. Controlling some of these key aspects helps insure every builder has a positive experience.


Kudos to the team for continuing innovation on a product that is already pretty damn good! I was looking forward for an opportunity on purchasing a 30th anniversary, now I don't care, I would be happy with the MK5. Congratulations on making this old guy feel like a kid waiting on a new toy to released!

[Al_C]

I got a conceptual preview in April of 2023 when I visited Wareham. I've been wondering when it would become a reality, and it's pretty darn exciting! Other than the body, it looks like it truly is completely new. FFR really outdid themselves here! (I love the top, too...) It will be really interesting to see what the whole package looks like when it's released for sale!

[Todd Baumann]

Al, there are changes to the body also.
Like I stated so many more changes, it is crazy what is coming.

[BradCraig]

Looking forward to more detail on the changes. The body looked cleaner on the mold seams, hope they cleaned up some of the other areas such as door fitment, etc.

[Jeff Kleiner]

…hope they cleaned up some of the other areas such as door fitment, etc.

Stay tuned ;)

Jeff

[BradCraig]

Stay tuned ;)

Jeff

I'm so excited....had not planned another Roadster, but may have to now.

[runamuk]

That looks good, a lot of frame changes. I also noticed the front quickjacks, bolts and holes have been deleted.

[OB6]

The chassis looks fantastic. The current 4" tubes are cool from a nostalgia standpoint, but they come with packaging and rigidity limits. At first glance it looks like seat position is quite a bit lower.

Nice job FFR. I can't wait to see how it all comes together.

[JimStone]

I'm surprised this is the way FFR wanted the MK5 news to come out.

It seems like this will cause a dip in Roadster sales while people wait for the new model. And wouldn't Dave have wanted to announce the news on social media/their website first? Just seems weird

[rich grsc]

They have some going out already to the 1st line builders.
The Godzilla isn't anything I'd want, try auto crossing with an extra 200# on the front. :rolleyes:

[Jphoenix]

I hope I can buy that LeMans top to put on my 289. I'm sure it won't be a perfect fit out of the box, but I'm not afraid of composite work.

[Kbl7td]

Godzilla seems like an awful idea, cast iron block. Marginal power. Toss some money at the coyote or better yet go LS/LT.

[Al_C]

Al, there are changes to the body also.
Like I stated so many more changes, it is crazy what is coming.

No problem. I must have misinterpreted the guy in the video. It makes sense that the body would be different.

[Jeff Kleiner]

No problem. I must have misinterpreted the guy in the video. It makes sense that the body would be different.

Body looks basically the same but it different, both due to changes in how it mounts in addition to address some areas to improve fit and ease of finishing.

Jeff

[MPTech]

When does your build begin @Jeff Kleiner?
Going to HAVE TO squeeze that one into your schedule! Looks like a GREAT base with many mods already baked-in.

Are the front control arm mounts higher the the MK4? Assuming this improves handling(?) (can anyone explain?)

[rich grsc]

Mark, I think two positions, one for street, one for track

[MB750]

Please, PLEASE update the assembly manual for this new generation of Cobra.

[RogerDM]

That is totally cool and exciting!

[Blitzboy54]

I guess I should have waited a year.


Oops

[OB6]

I guess I should have waited a year.

I suspect a lot of people will feel the same way, but tomorrow isn't guaranteed, and the MK4 is a hell of a platform.

[GoDadGo]

The Big Question Is:

Will Tall Guys With Big Feet & Long Legs Fit?

[Jeff Kleiner]

The Big Question Is:

Will Tall Guys With Big Feet & Long Legs Fit?

Much more big & tall friendly.

Jeff

[GoDadGo]

Much more big & tall friendly.

Jeff

I may be heading your way when you decide to build one.

[fauxbra5.0]

I may be heading your way when you decide to build one.

You & me both, Dad!

[Mike.Bray]

They have some going out already to the 1st line builders.
The Godzilla isn't anything I'd want, try auto crossing with an extra 200# on the front. :rolleyes:

I'm designing a special air intake transition piece for a local shop that's stuffing a Godzilla into a 68 Mustang to try and clear the hood. The Godzilla is really big and heavy, it's an unbelievable amount of work to get it into a Mustang, I can't imagine it in a Cobra.

[BrewCityCobra]

So is this what all the MKIII guys felt like when the MKIV came out?

[gbranham]

Body looks basically the same but it different, both due to changes in how it mounts in addition to address some areas to improve fit and ease of finishing.

Jeff

I thought the gelcoat body in the video looked vastly superior to the raw MkIV body, but also thought perhaps they cleaned it up for the video.

[john42]

So is this what all the MKIII guys felt like when the MKIV came out?

I'm a MK3 guy and now I'm feeling it double... :-)

[Jeff Kleiner]

I may be heading your way when you decide to build one.

See you on December 10th.

Jeff

[Jeff Kleiner]

So is this what all the MKIII guys felt like when the MKIV came out?

Same way the guys who bought a 2024 F150 felt when the 2025s came out, or the way people with iPhone 14s felt when the 16s came out. It’s called ongoing product improvement.

Jeff

[Blitzboy54]

So is this what all the MKIII guys felt like when the MKIV came out?

I'm good with it, I am curious how quickly they are ready to fill orders. If I had a MK4 on order I would cancel it until the MKV was ready. I can't imagine anyone would buy a MK4 anymore.

[OB6]

Same way the guys who bought a 2024 F150 felt when the 2025s came out, or the way people with iPhone 14s felt when the 16s came out. It’s called ongoing product improvement.

Jeff

Exactly Jeff, and look at how many people still love their Mk1's, Mk2's, and Mk3's. Glad my wife has kept me around instead of a newer, better model. LOL.

[Papa]

See you on December 10th.

Jeff

Is that when yours arrives? :confused:

[PNWTim]

I'm good with it, I am curious how quickly they are ready to fill orders. If I had a MK4 on order I would cancel it until the MKV was ready. I can't imagine anyone would buy a MK4 anymore.

I think Jim said it as well. Seems like an odd marketing move when you have inventory that needs to move unless they are going to heavily discount the MKIV chassis? And since they are on unit number one I am assuming there is going to be some additional mods, changes etc. prior to being ready for production. They still haven't announced anything on their website or Facebook so it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

[Blitzboy54]

I think Jim said it as well. Seems like an odd marketing move when you have inventory that needs to move unless they are going to heavily discount the MKIV chassis? And since they are on unit number one I am assuming there is going to be some additional mods, changes etc. prior to being ready for production. They still haven't announced anything on their website or Facebook so it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

They do have a price hike coming. I am curious what this one will cost or if these two things are connected in any way. I am real interested in seeing that hard top in finished form too. Although in my experience this car isn’t nearly as fun to drive with a lid on it.


I’m excited to see the first build threads. I hope whoever gets one publishes here. Best part of this forum is when one person does something new we all get to go along for the ride.

[rich grsc]

I thought the gelcoat body in the video looked vastly superior to the raw MkIV body, but also thought perhaps they cleaned it up for the video.
All the bodies look like that when they have new molds. As the molds get repeatedly disassembled and reassembled normal wear & tear starts showing up.

[J R Jones]

All the bodies look like that when they have new molds. As the molds get repeatedly disassembled and reassembled normal wear & tear starts showing up.

rich grsc, normal?
In the marine industry there is tool disipline, the fiberglass molds must be perfect. They can not afford to repair thousands of hulls & decks 10 to 70ft long. Then there is an error in shape and instability....
I expect Corvette is the same.
jim

[Jeff Kleiner]

rich grsc, normal?
In the marine industry there is tool disipline, the fiberglass molds must be perfect. They can not afford to repair thousands of hulls & decks 10 to 70ft long. Then there is an error in shape and instability....
I expect Corvette is the same.
jim

Tool discipline is being addressed.

Jeff

[Popela]

I think Jim said it as well. Seems like an odd marketing move when you have inventory that needs to move unless they are going to heavily discount the MKIV chassis? And since they are on unit number one I am assuming there is going to be some additional mods, changes etc. prior to being ready for production. They still haven't announced anything on their website or Facebook so it will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

Not much inventory when you build to order. Though it might slow sales for a month or two but when your lead time is already 4-6 months it probably is better to drive interest early.

[Brian76]

This is just an blurb of what is coming, you guys can't imagine it yet, but it is awesome.
Hang on for the ride.

Hmm...are you implying something big...like a GT40 kit? :cool:

[Todd Baumann]

Hmm...are you implying something big...like a GT40 kit? :cool:

Well it is the 30th Anniversary and Dave has many plans and I have been sworn to secrecy. Hang on tight.

[Blitzboy54]

Well it is the 30th Anniversary and Dave has many plans and I have been sworn to secrecy. Hang on tight.

Holy smokes, I am so excited to see what’s up. I’m building my second car and I’ve never been to Factory Five. I live 3 hours away. I’m not doing this right.

[GoDadGo]

While I appreciate what Dave and his team are attempting to do; however, I now wonder if they fixed a problem that didn't need to be fixed.

If they can comfortably get bigger dudes like my brother in the car (6'4" Tall, 36" Inseam & Size 15 Feet) then it will likely be worth the effort since taller fellows simply don't fit in the MK-4. I wish them luck on this new endeavor but after some soul searching I still prefer the round tube chassis. Since recently retiring on 10/14/2024 I've been driving my car nearly every day and it still amazes me. I just don't know if this is a step forward or simply change for change sake.

Only Time & Future Sale Will Tell So I Wish Them Great Luck!

[MB750]

From the recent promotional emails from FFR I've gotten, it looks like they've got some production slots open in the coming weeks that would lend to a delivery within 2024. There's also end of year discounts. I think around $2000 off?

I'm not in the market so I deleted those emails, but I think that was the gist of it.

[Erik W. Treves]

Look how low in the car they are sitting - there is a ton of room in the car now - just like the coupe I am gonna need a phone book to see over the dash :) Welcome big dudes and dudettes - this is gonna be "huge"

[bil1024]

They do have a price hike coming. I am curious what this one will cost or if these two things are connected in any way. I am real interested in seeing that hard top in finished form too. Although in my experience this car isn’t nearly as fun to drive with a lid on it.


I’m excited to see the first build threads. I hope whoever gets one publishes here. Best part of this forum is when one person does something new we all get to go along for the ride.

Yes price point is important, they said they will be offering both frames. Id be on the ledge to sell my MK4 for a 5, again depending on retail

[OB6]

I can't imagine a scenario in which offering both frames would make good business sense.

[Mick40]

I'm not sure the average driver will ever notice the changes unless the car is raced. Mine handles just fine for how it's driven. Most people judge these cars by the paint, sound and quality of build. Usually only car builders notice the last detail.

Just my .02 cents. That said, I would love to build one!

Mick

[fauxbra5.0]

I'm not sure the average driver will ever notice the changes unless the car is raced. Mine handles just fine for how it's driven. Most people judge these cars by the paint, sound and quality of build. Usually only car builders notice the last detail.

Just my .02 cents. That said, I would love to build one!

Mick

While I agree with your sentiment, I'm not sure they're accurate. The average driver will notice the roomier cabin, expanded footbox, and better ride. Because the chassis is so rigid, FFR said that the suspension is much softer leading to a more comfortable ride overall. In the video, the first thing Frankie Foreman said (almost off mic) was a comment about how roomy the car felt.

But I'm with you 100% - can't wait to get my hands on one and build it.

[MPTech]

Were there any improvements made to the body? Fix the wheel arches, drivers door, etc?

Will an "R" version be coming out? (like the coupe)

[Kbl7td]

Were there any improvements made to the body? Fix the wheel arches, drivers door, etc?

Will an "R" version be coming out? (like the coupe)

Not sure what the point of an R version would be. Then you’re basically buying a coupe.

[TrackDay17]

Any timeline for release ? Will the MKV be the 35th Anniversary car ?

I'm about ready to order my car kit, planning on Gen4 Coyote build.

[mrmustang]

Not sure what the point of an R version would be. Then you’re basically buying a coupe.

Think more along the lines of a "spec racer" for the track, safer, for the street, overkill. Either way, I've already told Dave Smith if he offers a true 289 roadster (slabside for those of you who know it by that ugly slang name), I'd be first in line, and ready to write him a check today. No response as of yet, but you never know unless you ask.

Bill S.

PS: Even "Da Bunnies"(tm) didn't see this one coming. :D

[Jeff Kleiner]

...I've already told Dave Smith if he offers a true 289 roadster (slabside for those of you who know it by that ugly slang name), I'd be first in line...

I thought you were going to be first in line for an FIA but apparently when that line formed a few hundred people cut in ahead of you ;)

Jeff

[mrmustang]

I thought you were going to be first in line for an FIA but apparently when that line formed a few hundred people cut in ahead of you ;)

Jeff

Jeff,

You would think I would have been offered the first production kit, given the years and energy I put in to getting FFR to produce it, sadly, it was not offered to me, by the time it was, I was in the middle of an ERA 289 FIA refresh. If FFR produces a true 289 roadster, one with a 289 FIA style roll bar as an option, I'm there. However, just like last time, I'm not sitting on my behind and waiting, it could either be a FFR 289 roadster, or another SPF (Ross Henry designed and executed) roadster. Whichever it is, will end up in my permanent collection as my last Cobra replica.

Bill S.

[Pizzman76]

I spoke with FFR a few times this week and decided to put a deposit down on the Mk5.

Here are a few details some may be interested in:
1. The obvious - You can now drop a deposit on the new model
2. Based on our conversation, details on the options will start to become available in a few weeks for the new model.
3. The start of production looks to take place around mid January 2025
4. We didn't get into a detailed conversation about options as I'm sure they are still detailing what will be available and how much, but it sounded like the options list will expand a bit from a powertrain side with Godzilla as well as various other chassis/interior related components.

I had a strong desire to build this vehicle with a Gen4 Coyote, but I had some trepidation due to some differences between Gen3 and Gen4. After speaking with FFR, I'm confident these challenges will quickly be resolved by ship date next year. If all goes right, I should be starting down the journey somewhere around the start of Febuary. Nothing like building a car near the middle of a Michigan winter! ;)

[fauxbra5.0]

I spoke with FFR a few times this week and decided to put a deposit down on the Mk5.

Here are a few details some may be interested in:
1. The obvious - You can now drop a deposit on the new model
2. Based on our conversation, details on the options will start to become available in a few weeks for the new model.
3. The start of production looks to take place around mid January 2025
4. We didn't get into a detailed conversation about options as I'm sure they are still detailing what will be available and how much, but it sounded like the options list will expand a bit from a powertrain side with Godzilla as well as various other chassis/interior related components.

I had a strong desire to build this vehicle with a Gen4 Coyote, but I had some trepidation due to some differences between Gen3 and Gen4. After speaking with FFR, I'm confident these challenges will quickly be resolved by ship date next year. If all goes right, I should be starting down the journey somewhere around the start of Febuary. Nothing like building a car near the middle of a Michigan winter! ;)

What was the base price of the Mk5 you put a deposit down on?

[Pizzman76]

What was the base price of the Mk5 you put a deposit down on?

I haven't been able to get a hard number on the base price yet, and I likely won't know that for another few weeks.

[Jeff Kleiner]

I spoke with FFR a few times this week and decided to put a deposit down on the Mk5.



Welcome to the club :)

Jeff

[NiceGuyEddie]

I thought there wouldn't BE a MK5 because "it could not be improved."


?????

[zach g]

I admire FFR for their continuous improvement mindset, even with their top seller. Hopefully the engineering team has been able to keep any weight increase from the space frame chassis to a minimum.

[Jeff Kleiner]

I admire FFR for their continuous improvement mindset, even with their top seller. Hopefully the engineering team has been able to keep any weight increase from the space frame chassis to a minimum.

The difference is less than 20 pounds.

Jeff

[Higgybulin]

Look how low in the car they are sitting - there is a ton of room in the car now - just like the coupe I am gonna need a phone book to see over the dash :) Welcome big dudes and dudettes - this is gonna be "huge"

They also said the seat was on sliders.....WHAT?! I noticed right away how low they were sitting. Thats gonna help out with the hardtop! Either way, I just put in another order for another MK4!
Higgy

[Erik W. Treves]

They also said the seat was on sliders.....WHAT?! I noticed right away how low they were sitting. Thats gonna help out with the hardtop! Either way, I just put in another order for another MK4!
Higgy

The seating will be very Coupe like - which is really good to support the larger operator without mods.... for the shorter people (like me) - works really good as well for long trips since I can stretch out... I can't wait to autox this car!

[Dave Tabor]

I'm thinking about ordering Coupe #2...

Is there something I should hold off a bit for?

Thanks,
Dave
Gen III Coupe #17
22500+ miles

[Higgybulin]

I'm thinking about ordering Coupe #2...

Is there something I should hold off a bit for?

Thanks,
Dave
Gen III Coupe #17
22500+ miles

Order today!! Last day of the $2024 sale!! I am sure you could adjust your order before its promise date.
Higgy
Higgy

[NiceGuyEddie]

OK if no one wants to comment to my comment where I said I'm surprised there's a MK5 because they said there would not BE a MK5 because "it can't be improved" that's OK but...

Can someone at least tell me if you need a subscription to Powernation TV to see the video? All I get is a dead link and there's no new video on their YouTube channel.

[Papa]

OK if no one wants to comment to my comment where I said I'm surprised there's a MK5 because they said there would not BE a MK5 because "it can't be improved" that's OK but...

Can someone at least tell me if you need a subscription to Powernation TV to see the video? All I get is a dead link and there's no new video on their YouTube channel.

The link works for me -- no subscription.

[Higgybulin]

I went to their site and it was there
https://www.powernationtv.com/

[mrmustang]

OK if no one wants to comment to my comment where I said I'm surprised there's a MK5 because they said there would not BE a MK5 because "it can't be improved" that's OK but...

Can someone at least tell me if you need a subscription to Powernation TV to see the video? All I get is a dead link and there's no new video on their YouTube channel.

Did not load using firefox or Edge, it did load using Seamonkey and Safari

Bill S.

[fauxbra5.0]

OK if no one wants to comment to my comment where I said I'm surprised there's a MK5 because they said there would not BE a MK5 because "it can't be improved" that's OK but...

Can someone at least tell me if you need a subscription to Powernation TV to see the video? All I get is a dead link and there's no new video on their YouTube channel.

The link works, but may not display if you have a pop-up/ad blocker on your browser. Its free to watch, no subscription required.

[Candocad]

https://www.powernationtv.com/episode/EP2024-18/classic-car-collaboration

14:56 "the carbon body", now I am very , very interested...............

[Blitzboy54]

https://www.powernationtv.com/episode/EP2024-18/classic-car-collaboration

14:56 "the carbon body", now I am very , very interested...............

I have it from a reliable source the hard top will only be offered in carbon fiber.


Which is so sick

[rich grsc]

No one ever said there would never be a Mrk5

[Todd Baumann]

I have it from a reliable source the hard top will only be offered in carbon fiber.


Which is so sick

I would say your source should be checked again

[GoDadGo]

No one ever said there would never be a Mrk5

Rich,

My brother, 6'4" with size 15 feet, and my other big buddies are hoping that this car gives them the options to build a Factory-5 Cobra.
As for me, at 5'10" and 170 pounds, my MK-4 fits me like a glove plus I love the period correctness of the 4" round tube chassis.
On the same note, I still want to build a Type-65 because I think that car is Factory-5's finest vehicle that they ever produced.
I just wish Dave would bring back the Type-65 Spyder since they can now produce a square tube open top roadster chassis.

Steve

[rich grsc]

Steve, I have no issue with improvements, round frame or not just doesn't make much difference. I didn't but an FFR because the frame was round tube. I may consider a Mrk5, but the fun of building just isn't there like it used to be.

[Jeff Kleiner]

I would say your source should be checked again

Todd,
PM sent.

Jeff

[ydousurf]

While I appreciate what Dave and his team are attempting to do; however, I now wonder if they fixed a problem that didn't need to be fixed.

I wish them luck on this new endeavor but after some soul searching I still prefer the round tube chassis.

I just don't know if this is a step forward or simply change for change sake.

Only Time & Future Sale Will Tell So I Wish Them Great Luck!


I think Steve said it pretty well! Now, here’s my five cents worth…..

First, congratulations to; Dave, Jim, Jesper and the entire crew at FFR who continue to innovate and build on past designs to make them in many ways, that much better.

Second, as an attempt to solve certain issues and help bring new ideas to life, and revenue for that matter, I must give them credit there as well! (Loud round of applause!)

Third, I was surprised that this was announced on PN and not here on TFFForum or the FF website or their FB page or YT channel for that matter. I stopped watching PN back when Ian left the show.

Anyway, as for the new design, I think it’s great that FF took a new approach with the space frame design to achieve certain goals. However, the MK4 frame was a reflection on a past connection and nod to the original and that made it very special. The new frame looks “busy” and now I feel it just doesn’t compliment the car as a whole, but it will no doubt serve its purpose. Though, I do feel it has lost that attractive element to give a sparkle to its overall beauty of the body and chassis.

Don’t get me wrong, if I was building a roadster to race full-time, I would definitely want the new chassis. But as the majority of consumers just want a great car to drive and show, then the MK4 is what I would want. I guess I’m glad I got this chassis version. There are other subtle changes that may not allow specific custom modifications, I’m not going to point them out. The chassis and changes will work as designed.

Fourth, hopefully FFR will hold onto the now (Legacy MK4) as an option to purchase for those who feel the same about the beauty of the front X-crossmember and twin tube look. Not to mention the new price $$$, which I suspect will be much more higher for initial base/complete kits for the MK5?

As for the new hardtop, it’s also great to see that they have developed one. I was a strong advocate to get another seller of these as a supported vendor on this site. Having a hard top truly gives the car a wild new look. A two-for-one kinda deal! However, remember, constructive criticism is a good thing! I’m not sure I like the rear spoiler and having to remove the trunk to fit the top? I think just as with the F9 concept, I felt they should target their consumers with “various options” to choose from and not just a one-size-design fits all. Offering it with or without a: front spoiler, rear deck wing, hood, top and side scoop choices, etc. I know they have to be careful of current trademark designs with the MK5 hard top. Anyway, hopefully they will offer new “geometry correct roll-bars” for the MK4 to fit the MK5 hard top and expand the selling aspect to previous MK4 Roadster owners. I’m still considering either a hard top option, or hopefully a Rods Tops choice in 2025. I definitely want a top for times when maybe a long trip in the sun would be more beneficial than a hat.

Again, congrats FFR on the MK5 version! I know there will be many satisfied builders of this platform in the future! And for those of you with patience and unlimited funds at hand, maybe just maybe be ready for, well, I think I am safe to assume 30th Anniversary MK5 at least (2 of 30) available with or without the top? The anniversary models are really special and I’m honored to have had the privilege to be building the 25th edition. Though, I thought I would’ve had it on the road already, but life got in the way. Oh well.

Fifth, my one last penny for thoughts... I just hope FFR releases a new wheel design to compliment the 30th anniversary. I fell in love with the 25th anniversary wheels when I first saw them and it was a major factor in my decision to want to have this edition, and I feel very fortunate to have a set. So, for what it is worth Dave, if you do make a new wheel set for FFR’s 30th, make a bunch of extra sets and add me to the list - - - - - PLEASE! I know they will be awesome and I would surely like an extra set for my Roadster. :)

All the best FFR. I/WE can’t wait to hear other wonderful news coming in the near future…..

Doug

[i.e.427]

No one ever said there would never be a Mrk5

I guess that depends on what never means? I was at a dinner, out here in SoCal, a number of years ago when Dave said "the Mk4 is the last bite of the apple". Everyone in that room was lead to believe that there would not be a Mk5. Now, it's Dave company to run and I have no issue with a Mk5. But he did say it.

Frank

[ydousurf]

For those wondering… Dave said it in this opening video -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ckgfkPU8Ss&pp=ygUZRmFjcm9yeSBmaXZlIG1rNCBvdmVydmlldw%3D%3D

Funny. I always believed there would eventually be a MK5. Though, I figured it would be fully electric. Maybe an MK6? ;)

Doug

[Todd Baumann]

Blitzboy54,

I got to say sorry, but it looks like you are correct and Dave has changed his mind since we did the show.
Unfortunately I was right for about a month and a half.
I was updated this afternoon and was told that you are correct and it will be only a carbon top.
Sad that this will be the case because I know there are tons of guys that would love to do the top but are really torn now cause they would be painting it instead of leaving it as is.

Todd

[GoDadGo]

I Guess Dave Got Bored!

https://youtu.be/6ckgfkPU8Ss

As for me, I'm very happy with my Dark Side MK-4 Chassis #8515.

https://youtu.be/iwslgKJUaKc

Good Luck To Dave & His Team Regarding The MK-5!

[Blitzboy54]

Blitzboy54,

I got to say sorry, but it looks like you are correct and Dave has changed his mind since we did the show.
Unfortunately I was right for about a month and a half.
I was updated this afternoon and was told that you are correct and it will be only a carbon top.
Sad that this will be the case because I know there are tons of guys that would love to do the top but are really torn now cause they would be painting it instead of leaving it as is.

Todd


No worries, wouldn’t carbon fiber give you the option of leaving it naked? I would think a carbon top would go with just about anything. You could still paint it if you wanted.

If it was glass it would be in gel coat no?

[Pizzman76]

A company with a good-selling product doesn't get there without continued innovation. Innovation attracts new builders like myself and brings back some of you multi-vehicle builders who just purchase kits for the fun of building them.
This forum alone is a community of people partly responsible for Mk5. Every time someone works through some challenge in their build and figures it out with the help of this community, FFR has an opportunity to improve on the product.

[FFinisher]

They do have a price hike coming. I am curious what this one will cost or if these two things are connected in any way. I am real interested in seeing that hard top in finished form too. Although in my experience this car isn’t nearly as fun to drive with a lid on it.


I’m excited to see the first build threads. I hope whoever gets one publishes here. Best part of this forum is when one person does something new we all get to go along for the ride.

I know the guy who has the first one…but he got it before it was announced and he is not much for posting. I will, I mean he will, answer any questions though.FFR hit a home run here. I have built many many mkiv’s. There is nothing to be ashamed of there. Like all companies , FFR continues to improve on their best. This is the outcome of those efforts….. and the top is super cool!

[Jeff Kleiner]

No worries, wouldn’t carbon fiber give you the option of leaving it naked? I would think a carbon top would go with just about anything. You could still paint it if you wanted.

If it was glass it would be in gel coat no?

Yes, the CF can be painted or left raw. The current plan for mine is somewhere in between ;)

Yes, if the top was produced in 'glass it would be gel coat same as the body.



I know the guy who has the first one…FFR hit a home run here. I have built many many mkiv’s. There is nothing to be ashamed of there. Like all companies , FFR continues to improve on their best. This is the outcome of those efforts…..

Exactly! Yes, Dave did indeed say "last bite of the apple"...but that was 14 years ago! Think of it as being the last bite of the round tube chassis apple. Did you see the part of the video where Dave said "do something better every day"? That's what this is. I happen to know the guy with the second one and when the time is right there will be posts.

Jeff

[rich grsc]

I guess that depends on what never means? I was at a dinner, out here in SoCal, a number of years ago when Dave said "the Mk4 is the last bite of the apple". Everyone in that room was lead to believe that there would not be a Mk5. Now, it's Dave company to run and I have no issue with a Mk5. But he did say it.

Frank
I guess the real meaning of my post is.......never say never:rolleyes:

[Papa]

I for one am happy to see FFR not content to sit idly on their past success but rather continuing to innovate and improve their product offerings. When you think about what put them on the map, it was the concept of building a Cobra using a donor Mustang. That worked really well for many years, but as the Mustang evolved, the donor concept started to dry up and most kits are now built with all new parts. Fast forward to the XTF designed around the donor model with the F150 and a truck-crazy market. Genius!! Watching FFR's investment in the production of their kits has been amazing. I suspect when you look at the new MK5 frame vs. the Coupe frame, they are 90% the same, which allows for reduced production costs and hopefully keeps these kits within reach for the builder community.

[BRRT]

The purchase of the laser tube cutter really opened the door to revisiting the frame design. When you can make your parts "self fixture" it saves time and money, plus makes for a more consistent, repeatable product. Serious respect for what FFR (Dave) is doing.
They are a model for many larger companies.

[MPTech]

Don't forget, the new MK5 is tapping into a new market that FFR has not been able to adequetly address up till now; Tall / Big guys!
I know there are mods that could be done, but there were compromises and extra work/cost to accomodate them.
With additional interior space, dropped floor, and seat sliders, FFR can better compete with the other manufacturers for these buyers.
Seems like this would also open the door for more seat options too!
I think this was a very smart decision on FFR's part to go in this direction, especially if they plan to also offer the MK4/vintage Round-tube version for the "original" crowd.

Someone mentioned earlier in the post about body improvements. What might these be??

[rich grsc]

Not red???

[MPTech]

Forget the Godzilla, THIS is what the mk5 needs!
207121

[rich grsc]

Mark, can you get me one for Christmas? I'd be for ever grateful.

[FFinisher]

Not red???

Yup. Not red.

[Higgybulin]

Yes, the CF can be painted or left raw. The current plan for mine is somewhere in between ;)

Yes, if the top was produced in 'glass it would be gel coat same as the body.




Exactly! Yes, Dave did indeed say "last bite of the apple"...but that was 14 years ago! Think of it as being the last bite of the round tube chassis apple. Did you see the part of the video where Dave said "do something better every day"? That's what this is. I happen to know the guy with the second one and when the time is right there will be posts.

Jeff

How did I not read this before?!!!
Higgy

[CW_MI]

The new improvements look great, and that hard top...wow.
I've been bummed that I can't purchase my kit for another year....maybe this will end up working out for the best. As long as the price increase isn't too drastic.

[fauxbra5.0]

The new improvements look great, and that hard top...wow.
I've been bummed that I can't purchase my kit for another year....maybe this will end up working out for the best. As long as the price increase isn't too drastic.

sometimes procrastination pays off!

[jpschramek]

Ok well now I've got a big dilemma. I've been planning on ordering the Type 65 Coupe next year but now I'm starting to rethink my decision and wait for the Roadster MK5 with that roof. Curious to hear people opinions on what the differences would be besides looks between the two.

[rich grsc]

The top is CF, so my guess is not cheap? That said it does look great

[Papa]

Ok well now I've got a big dilemma. I've been planning on ordering the Type 65 Coupe next year but now I'm starting to rethink my decision and wait for the Roadster MK5 with that roof. Curious to hear people opinions on what the differences would be besides looks between the two.

I haven't driven or built a Coupe, so my comments are not based on experience with the Coupe. In my opinion, the Coupe is a lot more exclusive with the proliferation of replica Cobras on the road. I suspect the coupe will be a bit more expensive to build and a bit more complex to build (body fitment being the biggest difference in that respect).

[lewma]

a bit more expensive to build and a bit more complex to build

you're right :)

[AMRE2ME2]

Apparently this video has been taken down because now it’s a video of an engine build. I don’t suppose anyone saved it and could send it to me?

[Papa]

Apparently this video has been taken down because now it’s a video of an engine build. I don’t suppose anyone saved it and could send it to me?

Still there: https://www.powernationtv.com/episode/EP2024-18/classic-car-collaboration