Trick Flow

[ED@TFS]

Hello,


Some racers have already ordered their new Trick Flow top end kits. We shipped all in stock parts and the cylinder heads will ship out when completed. By doing this, the engine builders can assemble their short blocks and be ready to install the cylinder heads when they arrive. I just wanted to point out that if this is what you’re doing, it’s a great idea; just remember not to install your factory heads with your new Trick Flow kit, then switch the Trick Flow cylinder heads for the factory Ford heads when they arrive. If you try to use the factory heads with the new camshaft, the factory valve springs will be incorrect. The lift and duration of the Trick Flow camshaft is too aggressive for factory springs. This can potentially cause valve float, binding of the springs, or even valve to piston clearance problems.

All is going well here. We have all the components for the new cylinder heads and casting will be here shortly. Once the castings are in we can machine and assemble. I can’t wait to see some video of all the racers on the track with the new combination, or maybe I can catch a race in person sometime this year. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thanks

Eddi

[avgjoe]

Eddi,

NASA Great Lakes will be at Mid-Ohio April 13-15, June 29- July 1 and August 10-12. It's just a few miles down the road from you. I think the biggest FFR turnout will be the one at the end of June when the East Coast boys will be there.

Hope to see you there.

Joe

[mhoward1]

Eddi,
Do we have an update on the heads?

[ED@TFS]

We are machining the heads now and assembly is next so not much longer. You racers are really going to like these heads I can’t wait to get some feedback after you take the car out.

[vnmsss]

Thanks for the update Eddie....I'm curious as to the specifics on the heads....Since you are working on castings and such, it sounds like they are not "off the shelf" heads. Is this a new series TFS head, or a one-off being produced for this application? Thanks!

Karen

[johngeorge]

Karen, Trickflow announced at SEMA 2011 that they improved their design on the Twisted Wedge Heads.

http://www.stangtv.com/news/sema-2011-trick-flows-twisted-wedge-series-heads-improved-design/

[johngeorge]

Xmas in Feb!! Thanks Eddi, I got everything (but the heads) in 2 days :)

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4401.jpg

[vnmsss]

Thanks John!

K

[mhoward1]

John, are you going to install the cam without the heads? Or is all the in prep for when the heads arrive.

[johngeorge]

Marty, the trickflow cam does not work with the iron heads (stock stuff).

Im prepping the new shortblock putting in the cam ready for the trickflow heads when they arrive.

[mhoward1]

Marty, the trickflow cam does not work with the iorn heads (stock stuff).

Im prepping the new shortblock putting in the cam ready for the trickflow heads when they arrive.

That's what I thought, but then I saw the Cam on the work bench.

What's the plan if the heads aren't shipped by March 25th? Are you going to run a stock 5.0?

[johngeorge]

Heads I hope will be ready well before March 25th.. if not your right, a stock 5.0 going back in.

[mhoward1]

I thought about upgrading the upper and lower intakes, Throttle body, and headers and then do the head/cam swap when available. It wouldn't be a huge change at first but I bet it would be noticeable.

[johngeorge]

Eddi, any updates on the heads? would be great if I could get them for this weekend :)

[mhoward1]

While we are on this topic. Eddi, what kind of results can we expect if we do the package minus the heads and Cam?

[FFSpecRacer]

Marty,

I would not expect much gain. At least I would be VERY surprised if there is.

Keeping the stock heads and cam, you are basically going to have the same airflow as the stock set up. Airflow is where the big gains come from.

[mhoward1]

at 212 to 218 WHP, I am looking for all the help I can get.

;)




Marty,

I would not expect much gain. At least I would be VERY surprised if there is.

Keeping the stock heads and cam, you are basically going to have the same airflow as the stock set up. Airflow is where the big gains come from.

[FFRSpec72]

Anyone get heads yet? Its getting late !

[mhoward1]

At this time I now have no plans for power mods for the March 23rd and 24th race. I am not sure if anyone has received any heads.

[johngeorge]

My heads have shipped!! will be at my house tomorrow (3/7/12)!!

http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/track?HTMLVersion=5.0&loc=en_US&Requester=UPSHome&WBPM_lid=homepage%2Fct1.html_pnl_trk&trackNums=1z4758400361107416%0D%0A&track.x=Track

[mhoward1]

I am happy and sad at the same time to hear that JG. I am glad that they are available and are shipping out. At the same time though I know there is no way I can get them here and installed in time for the March 24th race so it looks like I will be 120+ HP down for the first race. It will be fun to see how the extra power will translate to times though.

[FFRSpec72]

I know there is no way I can get them here and installed in time for the March 24th race

You have 18 days to get this done !

[mhoward1]

You have 18 days to get this done !

Some of us have day jobs.


;)

Oh, and family obligations.

;) ;)

[FFRSpec72]

My heads have shipped!! will be at my house tomorrow (3/7/12)!!

Nice, great, wonderful !!! Even if mine ship I could not use them as I have the wrong TB and upper intake, so need to get a response from TF. Remember don't put the heads on backwards!

[FFRSpec72]

Some of us have day jobs.


;)

Oh, and family obligations.

;) ;)

Thats why there is night ! Work and obligations are for the the day.

[johngeorge]

Marty, nights and 2 weekends! get-er-done

[mhoward1]

yeah,
It ain't happening. Not with my calender the way it is. Heck, I am not even home all of next week.

I'll run her the way she is and see how it goes. Who knows, I may still surprise you guys. The new brakes alone will make a huge difference.

[FFRSpec72]

The new brakes alone will make a huge difference.

You actually use brakes ? The rest of us don't!

[mhoward1]

You actually use brakes ? The rest of us don't!

So that's my problem....


(man, the first race hasn't even happened and the trash talk has started)

[vnmsss]

Race 2 in the West Coast Challenge Series is at Infineon this weekend....Sounds like our guys will have to wait as well....Tom, Robert, Jeff...Any parts yet?

Karen

[R Walter]

NOPE......just waiting for heads still......new engine bottom end and TKO 500 just patiently
waiting to be installed. Sure glad I didn't pull the old one in antisipation of having all the parts
for this weekend.
Oh Marty....the engine in my car suffers the same short coming as yours.....219whp
but WOW!... the car sure does go deeper into the corners before having to brake and I actually enjoy
going into the corners now.... and my lap times are down. I'd be interested to see how your lap times change.

Robert
FFRChallenge car #3

[johngeorge]

wahoooo! guess what arrived

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4479.sized.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4481.sized.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4482.sized.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4483.sized.jpg

[mhoward1]

That looks great.

But to keep things fair for those of us who haven't gotten them yet, can you only run one side?

;)

[johngeorge]

Dad and I started at 3:30pm, took our sweet time..

heads on
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4494.sized.jpg

rocker studs
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4495.sized.jpg

putting on rockers
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4499.sized.jpg

intake gaskets
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4503.sized.jpg

[johngeorge]

lower intake on and torqued (took a bunch of times to get there)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4505.sized.jpg

and upper intake set on
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4512.sized.jpg

my fancy oil prime tool.. dizzy with no gear
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4513.sized.jpg

A ton more pictures here: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/seasonprep2012?page=8


Its 7:30pm now, not bad for 4hrs of work. I still have to drill the valve cover and install the oil fill.

[FFR#63]

That's fantastic!!!

[FFRSpec72]

Still no head, left message fro Eddie, seems he is out sick

[R Walter]

Called Ed this morning....heads are in transit will arrive by Friday!


Robert
FFR Challenge car #3

[johngeorge]

marked oil fill hole in pass side valve cover.. 4 1/2" from center of bolthole (front top right bolt)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4524.sized.jpg

drilled valve cover with the step-drill (notice its upside down to previous picture)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4525.sized.jpg

put in the gromlet, then the billet fill thing
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4528.sized.jpg

and thats about it! time to put it in the car tomorrow
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4529.sized.jpg

[FFRSpec72]

John, new headers ???

[johngeorge]

Yes new headers. I had equal length headers before, nice ones but did not have the big metal flange connecting the outlet ports which made them a royal pain to bolt up to the heads.

[johngeorge]

Engine and trans are in the car! getting closer

Mark and Brendan were in town and stopped by to give me a hand :)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4557.sized.jpg

lots still left to do..
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4564.sized.jpg

[mhoward1]

John,
Why such a tall oil fill tube?

[FFSpecRacer]

That's what comes with the kit.

[R Walter]

Heads arrived this afternoon.....may just be a tad too late to install them for tomarrows race


Robert
FFRChallenge car #3

[johngeorge]

#48 fired up around 6pm today!! sounds spectacular although I have a a small leak somewhere in the intake because at idle it whistles something fierce.

PCV and fuel regulator go underneath intake for vacume
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4579.sized.jpg

oil fill to throttle body
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4580.sized.jpg

tightening middle intake bolt is close to impossible!
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4581.sized.jpg

still have to tighty up the plug wires, but she runs great!
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4610.sized.jpg

[johngeorge]

upper radiator hose
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4594.sized.jpg

lower radiator hose
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4600.sized.jpg

1996 mustang GT radiator
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4602.sized.jpg

all ready for body
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/seasonprep2012/IMG_4606.sized.jpg

[johngeorge]

Heads arrived this afternoon.....may just be a tad too late to install them for tomarrows race


Robert
FFRChallenge car #3

take them to the track and swap heads/cam there! :) :)

[jetsbaby]

Where did you get your new short block from?

[johngeorge]

Where did you get your new short block from?

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/LRS-6009E/79-95-Economy-50L-Mustang-Short-Block is the one I used

[FFRSpec72]

John, no fair you had help getting your engine in! I assume its all back together, no leaks, and no issues and will pull 340/350 on the dyno this week?

[mhoward1]

I can't wait to see the Dyno numbers too.

340...jeez I am in so much trouble.

[johngeorge]

Dyno appointment this Thurs at 4pm :) 340hp would so nuts!

[mhoward1]

Dyno appointment this Thurs at 4pm :) 340hp would so nuts!

Will you publish the results?

[johngeorge]

Will you publish the results?

Yup always do

[FFRSpec72]

Yup always do

Will be interested in the A/F ratio when you get your dyno numbers

[johngeorge]

Dyno postponed for fri night.. Traffic got me late :(

[mhoward1]

Bummer

[Someday I Suppose]

John, make sure you leave work early enough today, we want to see those numbers!!

[johngeorge]

hah! 20min and counting for the ride home:)

[johngeorge]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jgracing
live stream from dyno

[mhoward1]

watching now

[johngeorge]

Sounds SO GOOD! I do have an issue with it and will be back tomorrow to troubleshoot, between 4800-6000rpm it brakes up a little and shows it on the dyno chart, not all the time but most of the time. Seems to be an ignition issue somewhere, tomorrow plan is to try the following (yup, forgot to bring my spare parts to the dyno!):
-swap out the dizzy/module
-change ECU
-swap coil
-datalog fuel pressure/change fuel filter

On a plus side engine ran cool never getting over 195deg after multiple pulls (no thermostat, running tiny 1996 mustang gt stock single core radiator.)

car on dyno
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/dyno3-16-12/IMG_4621.sized.jpg

dyno chart of run that did not break apart. Timing set to about 15 1/2deg, fuel pressure between 52-53psi, water temp at 190, weather - it just stopped raining, outside 45deg, inside probably 60-ish.
319.17hp, 314.74tq
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/dyno3-16-12/IMG_4622.sized.jpg

more to come tomorrow

[FFRSpec72]

Good numbers, would be better to see if they will come up to 330 ! Let us know what happens tomorrow

[mhoward1]

Good numbers, would be better to see if they will come up to 330 ! Let us know what happens tomorrow

Don't encourage him. I wanted to see 220 hp. ;)

[johngeorge]

Back from the dyno! Changing out the dizzy with a new one fixed my bobble at high RPM.

Final dyno numbers for FFR#48:
327hp / 318tq, Minimum weight = 2512lb

Dyno sheet:
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/dyno3-16-12/ffr48_dynorun_3_17_12_327hp_318tq.sized.jpg (http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/albums/dyno3-16-12/ffr48_dynorun_3_17_12_327hp_318tq.jpg)

video of dyno run:
http://vimeo.com/38694520

[mhoward1]

Great numbers.

[FFRSpec72]

Final dyno numbers for FFR#48:
327hp / 318tq, Minimum weight = 2512lb


WOW John, that is a improvement fom about 11.3 lbs per HP to 7.6 lbs per HP, should make a big difference.

So what was wong with the dizzy gear? worn, loose? no teeth? in upside down?

[johngeorge]

Not sure what was up with my dizzy.. I assume the TFI module was messed up, had it happen before exhibiting same high rpm issue. It was easier to swap whole distribuitor because I had a spare with the TFI already bolted up.

Everytime I start the car, I'm still in awe how good it sounds! Cannot wait for vir next weekend.

Ohh and technically it's 7.7 weight/power.. You forgot to round up :)

[Someday I Suppose]

John, very nice numbers for sure, and it does sound awesome. I'm betting there are going to be some surprised faces from drivers in other classes at that first race :-)

You still doing NJMSP in May?

[jetsbaby]

What is the total cost of the TF upgrade package?

[johngeorge]

Around $3K. Call up Eddi at Trickflow for details.

[FFRSpec72]

So did everyone just get 1 throttle body gasket? I would assume we need 2 as we have the EGR delete spacer, so 1 between TB and EGR delete and 1 between the EGR delete and upper intake? What did people do?

[FFSpecRacer]

yep just one in the TFS TB. You do need another.

I made mine. They can be bought.

[FFRSpec72]

So the valve to piston clearance is VERY close on a stock block as mine was right at 80 thousands (seems to be the minimum that TF requires) for the intake (exhaust does not seem to be an issue since it fits within the valve relief of the piston). So if you have a decked block you may run into clearance issues

[FFSpecRacer]

Straight from TFS...................

You cannot stick the piston out of the block at all.

So that means you have 5-6 thousandths that you can deck and still keep the piston below deck.

[FFRSpec72]

The headers did not align on the heads (same headers were fine on stock heads) the bolt holes were off about 1/32 or so. Had to drill out the holes a little to get them to fit, so that cost me a few hours

[FFRSpec72]

What is this and where does it go? This was in the Intake Manifold Hardware Kit. I assume that I can also block off the back 2 vacunm holes (on the under side of upper intake) as I will only need the large hole for the PCV and the smaller one for the fuel pressure regulator, right?

8808

[johngeorge]

Tony,

I found the instructions online here for the upper/lower intake: http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/tfs-in-9r%20r0.pdf

Step 5 has the following which does not apply to us!

For SN95 applications using Trick Flow low profile
valve covers: Install the 1/4" circular spacer on the stud
bolt to properly space the heater hard line. This will allow
the heater hard line to clear the valve covers.

[FFRSpec72]

John, thanks.

No fuel pressure reading on guage (have guage on return side of rail), went to start and have no fuel pressure reading, went to check the input line and it had pressure (as I turned the AN fitting gas started to spew out, and then it was late so had to quit). I did run a KOEO test and nothing showed up but did have a 95 - Fuel Pump Circuit Open-PCM To Motor Ground (M,O) first time but not after that (ran tests several times). I did install a new variable fuel pressure regulator, also I don't have the MAF hooked up yet, but not sure that would make a difference?

[avgjoe]

Pretty sure you need the F/P guage on the supply side otherwise you'll be reading 0 since the return goes back to the tank and it's not pressurized. Hook up the MAF also; it'll probably start w/o it but will run poorly and possibly lean. Lots of info on the EEC-IV here www.fordfuelinjection.com.

Joe

[Jim Schenck]

Joe is right on, the pressure gauge needs to be on the send side, return side would have no pressure since it is open into the tank.

[R Walter]

Well the engine is finally in and running....Off to the dyno next week to break it in and tweek it. (numbers to follow)
I've run into something strange. When I turn off the ignition I hear a short "whistle" from the engine. Tom Coon has the same thing.
Anybody else have this.....any ideas on what is happening?


Robert Walter
West Coast Challenge car #3

[tcoon]

In regards to the fuel pressure, if you used the rail mounted regulator which goes on the (required) stock fuel rail, it is on the proper rail...perhaps you got the fuel lines switched? Definitely sounds like something I would do!

[tcoon]

Just another thought...did you disconnect the fuel pump? Perhaps it got reconnected with the polarity reversed and is running backwards? I DEFINITELY have done that one! It really sucks! Haha!

[mhoward1]

The whistle seems to happen to everyone. It is probably from the new intakes.

[johngeorge]

Tom, my whistles like mad, specially at idle and when you shut it off.

[tcoon]

Thanks for that info. I was planning to spend the day taking off the upper intake (again) chasing a possible vacuum leak. Think I'll hold off as it seems to be running well. Much smoother since I found a bad plug wire to #6. Heading back to dyno tomorrow!

[johngeorge]

Tom, my Dyno guy hooked up the smoke machine to the vaccume line checking for vaccume leaks and found none.. Have your guy do the same if you are worried about it. Brian Sanders contacted trickflow about the whistling and they said it was the ammount of air flowing past the throttle blade at idle, and to reduce it drill an 1/8" hole 1/4" from the center shaft of the throttle blade. The whistling hasn't bothered me that much to try the mod yet.

[Mark Dougherty]

Waynes whistles like mad also.
but somehow he doesnt hear it while on track.
just step on the gas and you dont hear it.
LOL

[avgjoe]

The hole sounds like a good idea, but would it be legal? I understand that it wouldn't make any difference performance wise but would you be DQ'd at Nats?

Joe

[tcoon]

Well, bad news. After replacing the plug wires and resetting TPS, idle speed, etc made the return trek to the dyno, only to find I'm still at 260 hp 256 torque. Very bummed!

Returned home. Pulled all plugs and they are cleanly burned and all the same. Full compression test shows 150 lbs all cylinders, with no variation, probably the cleanest compression test I've seen. Idle remains quite poor. Minimal whistle while running, just when you shut it off.

As far as I can see, the only viable next step is to start taking things apart, it seems I either have the wrong cam or one that is poorly ground. Any ideas? Can you measure lift without removing the cam to see if the specs are as advertised?

I must say that, after many dollars spent and countless hours of work I am quite disappointed to have gained only 30 hp! not to mention I'm about 55 hp off the chart. I guess I could compensate by filling my tires with helium. Oh well...back to the drawing board.

[Jim Schenck]

Tom,

I would look at all the easy stuff before diving into the engine, particularly since everyone else has been getting good numbers.

Things like:
Mass air meter, check the plug, check the output voltage, check sensor wire for damage
Computer, do you have one you can swap out and try?
Ignition, does the timing advance when the spout is plugged in
Any air or exhaust restrictions?
Are all cylinders firing, I use a paint marker and put a dot on the base of each header tube to make sure they all burn off (maybe an injector isn't firing)
Any driveline restrictions, like a dragging caliper or slipping clutch

Then getting into the engine:
Is the valve lash set too loose
Could the cam be off a tooth

[ED@TFS]

PM sent Tcoon

[vnmsss]

Eddie and Jim.....Thanks so much for helping Tom out....I stopped by his place on Sunday after his long haul back from the dyno at Thunderhill, and I know he'll be glad to get this thing sorted out.....

In regards to the numbers everyone is pulling, I've only seen reference to John's numbers....Robert Walter is the only other racer out here doing the upgrade, and I believe he's going to the dyno this week.....Since the East Coast cars are all apparently coming in good, can you share who else has done the upgrade, and are they all pulling well over 310HP?

Thanks!

Karen

[tcoon]

Thanks all for your suggestions. I think I am actually making headway. At the suggestion of several folks I dove into the electrical system. First swapped computers to no avail. Next tried a new TFI module which yielded a vastly improved idle...hmmm...took a test drive and noted a marked high speed miss...eureka...it must be electrical! Next switched to a new coil, still had the miss but a little better. I happened to have an old junkyard distributor from a previous motor, swapped that out and the miss is gone! Now it pulls well all the way to 6000 rpm with a satisfying howl from the new intake. Idles fairly well at 900 rpm. In think we're there but only the dyno will tell for sure. Back on the road again this Sunday to find out. Stay tuned!

[Jim Schenck]

So far this year I count 13 cars in the East that I know have fully changed over, (or built new to the new specs), and one suspension only. There are more out there with the parts that I haven't heard if they are done or not. I don't have numbers from everyone, and it is up to them if they want to post them, but so far everyone has been in the same range, from around 310 to 325 hp.

[FFR#63]

I think I'm the last guy here on the west coast working on the engine upgrade. All the suspension work is done and I just pulled the old engine this weekend. I'll start build the new short block this week. I want to thank all of you who are blazing the trail for me!

[mhoward1]

I think I'm the last guy here on the west coast working on the engine upgrade. All the suspension work is done and I just pulled the old engine this weekend. I'll start build the new short block this week. I want to thank all of you who are blazing the trail for me!

Don't feel bad, I think I might be the last guy on the east coast.

[vnmsss]

Thanks Jim!!

[R Walter]

[B]dyno results
8928Oh my goodness I think I got carried away on tweeking my engine! ....what am I going to do now?
Hummm maybe detune it?......nah I don't want to do that
I wonder if I just turned it in if anyone would notice......oh probably
Maybe I can photo shop the document.....nah that would be too obvious
I know ...I know what I can do. I'll petition for a "SENIOR CITIZENS FUDGE FACTOR".....that's the
ticket. And...since I'm also lefthanded how could I possibly be denied.

[tcoon]

Wow! That 5.0 is on steroids! Is his name Herbie? According to my highly precise calculations you need to add about 900lbs of ballast...I suggest you duct tape Aunt Jemima and her sister to the hood and trunk lid so as not to disturb your weight distribution! Of course then you might be disqualified for doing aerodynamic body modifications! :)

[FFRSpec72]

[B]dyno results


Seems a little low on A/F Ratio, maybe taking the turbo chargers off will help that.

[mhoward1]

Hmm... 441 WHP and a 7400 RPM Redline. Maybe I can get you to build my new engine.

;)

[FFRSpec72]

Went to dyno today, first run 290rwhp, second run 250rwhp, third run 240rwhp. Found out that #1 injector was not connected, plugged that back in and 4trh run 300rwhp and then chnaged timming to +13 (was 16) and 5th run was 312rwhp and then chnaged the fuel pressure (as A/Fwas about 15) to 42 from 52 and 6th run was 322 and flat 13 on A/F, so no spikes in A/F and the rwhp and torque, max is at about 5600 rpm and then it falls off.

I figure after the rings seat I should be up around ~330. Hit about 143 mph on the dyno at 6000 rpm.

The whistle noise is really bad, anyone got rid of that yet?

[johngeorge]

Tony, good numbers.

for whistling noise:


Brian Sanders contacted trickflow about the whistling and they said it was the ammount of air flowing past the throttle blade at idle, and to reduce it drill an 1/8" hole 1/4" from the center shaft of the throttle blade.