Wilwood master cylinder setup

[oldguy668]

What's the orientation of the master cylinders (like which one is for the fronts) in order for the arrows on the balance knob to be correct?

[jlfernan]

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[skullandbones]

Does it even matter since the MCs are the same. I don't think the bias adjuster cares as long as you know which lines are hooked where. WEK.

[Scott7644]

I bought a brake bias adjuster kit. It came with 2 stickers for the knob. So, it will work either way your brakes are hooked to your master cylinders. If you are using just the adjuster on the pedals, you just have to know which master cylinder is hooked to which brakes.

[Jim Schenck]

If it's the kind that threads onto the end of the balance bar then it matters which end you thread it onto.

[skullandbones]

Jim,
I guess I don't understand. Maybe these kits come disassembled in some cases. Mine was already together as far as the bias adjuster, at least. I don't know if you can put it together backwards. But from just looking it seems that either way you hook it up the lines to the front and rear would yield the same results just by moving the bias adjustor nut on the engine side. It is extremely sensitive (a little adjustment changes the balance a lot). Thanks, WEK.

[oldguy668]

Let me clarify the question. I have a remote balance adjuster. It's knob with detents and it mounts in the cockpit. The knob says that front bias is clockwise. Which MC is front if the knob is to be correct.

[michael everson]

Joe it depends on which one you hooked your front brake line to
Mike

[Scott7644]

Joe - didn't it come with 2 stickers? Maybe they are stuck together.

[oldguy668]

Joe it depends on which one you hooked your front brake line to
Mike

Mike, that's what I'm trying to figure out. When the knob turns clockwise to bias to the front, which MC is for the front.

[oldguy668]

Joe - didn't it come with 2 stickers? Maybe they are stuck together.

IF I find the stickers, which I doubt at this time, I still need to know which MC is for the front if the knob biases the front clockwise.

[skullandbones]

Oldguy,
I checked my pedal kit which is installed but I don't have everything adjusted yet just mocked up. But I adjusted the stud all the way clockwise and then all the way counterclockwise. I could tell from that that the clockwise adjustment positively biases the outboard MC (left one looking toward the front of car). So that should be your front brake MC according to your dash knob reference. To tell you the truth I had not even thought that far ahead.

[skullandbones]

I hit the wrong key. So to continue, did you fab the dash adjustment or did you purchase it? I was thinking about a real time adjuster. Thanks, WEK.

[CraigS]

As you turn the knob the threaded rod (that the knob is spinning) between the MCs gets longer on one side and shorter on the other. Turn it a bunch to get a good visual of this.The side that gets longer is the MC that will get more pressure.

[Scott7644]

I guess that I don't understand. Can't you just follow your brake line to see which master cylinder goes to the front brakes?
You might be able to feel which brake line exits the footbox in which location to follow it to the front or rear brakes.

[Jim Schenck]

The balance bar is a threaded rod and the end of the adjuster can screw on to either end, so depending on which end you attach to it will adjust in different directions.

Whichever side you have the front lines plumbed into look at that master cylinder from the side with your line of sight right down the length of the threaded balance bar. If you screw the rod away from you (like tighening a bolt) it will bias to the rear, if you unscrew it toward you then it will bias the front.

Another way to say it is if everything started on center then whichever side you adjust to see more threads sticking out is the side it will be biased toward.

[Jim Schenck]

To answer your question more specifically Joe, it doesn't matter which side you mount the front or rear master, just that you screw the adjuster onto the correct side for what you pick, so long as you have room for it on both sides.

[oldguy668]

Jim, here's what I want to know. I have the adjuster cable screwed on to the passenger side end of the balance bar. If I turn the knob, and therefore the adjuster rod, clockwise when viewed from the passenger side, will the driver side or passenger side MC get more bias?

[Jim Schenck]

The drivers side will get more

[oldguy668]

Thanks

[skullandbones]

Do you have any pics of your system? It would be interesting to see the remote control to the dash. Thanks, WEK.

[SirAustin]

Stupid question, I am getting ready to do my brake lines this weekend. Does a Bias controller normally come in the complete kit? Or is this a add on? If it is a add on is it a must have add on?

[NicksPapaw]

Don't want to cloud your judgement, but, you might want to look into power brakes. You might be happy with the manual setup, but, many of us are EXTREMELY happy with power. Sorry for the hijack. Just wanted to give you another option that you might not have thought about. :)

[skullandbones]

SirAustin,
These brake kits are sold by lots of different vendors so they may very. Mine is from Forte and has a pretty good mounting bracket for the roadster (MKIII). The bias adjuster is a standard feature. I don't see how it would work without it with the dual MCs. I think most people could adjust it and never change it again. I am also installing a preportioning valve which is overkill but I had it already. There are a lot of different solutions for brakes and that seems to be the strength of this forum. It's like a Chinese menu (1 from column A, 1 from column B, ......). So choose what you like. It's up for discussion as to which is better, manual or power. I like the safety feature of having two MCs. Some will tell you it is unnecessary but it does not hurt and it's clean and simple. Good luck. WEK