Steve's 35 Truck Build

[Guardm16]

I have chosen today to begin my build thread. For no other reason than today, the engine is scheduled to arrive and I am tired of looking out the window or checking my phone for delivery updates.

My approach is slightly different, I have ordered the 427W Engine from Prestige Motorsports, AOD transmission from Monster Transmissions and various other parts and wheels/tires; all before the build date for my 35 truck. The idea is that when the truck arrives, the sub assemblies will be ready to go.

The kit was ordered with Wilwood brakes, Moser rear end, A/C and electric power steering. My plan? Thank you for asking. Trans and engine will be mated before the kit arrives. After inventory, the front suspension will go to powder coating to match the Charcoal 18x10 wheels. The rear end will be assembled, then the steering and front suspension, followed by the engine and so on.

At this moment, I am researching accessory drives while I wait for the truck.

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[Guardm16]

Here are the Wheels and Tires. American Muscle Had a great deal on the wheels 18x10 for $110 each. The rubber is NITTO NT555 G2 Summer Ultra High Performance Tire (275/40R18)
All four corners are the same, (tire rotation)
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[Guardm16]

So this is the overall design:
I admit, I found the picture online and did a little photoshop work to it. But, it had the options as I have ordered: Hood, no fenders, etc
I spent 27 years in the Army so the natural inclination is a nod towards that. The color will be a matt olive drab green by "Custom Shop" HotRod Flatz.
What is FUBAR? That's the name of my build. Those who know...know. For everyone else, including the DOT It's "Ford Upgraded Beyond All Recognition"
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[Salty Chief 35]

I’m looking forward to following your build. I like the green and bronze look.
Respectfully,
Jeremie

[Guardm16]

Thanks Chief, My Photoshop skills are not that good. The bronze was on the original pic, I couldn't get the charcoal look to work. So my build will be olive and charcoal.

[Guardm16]

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Well, the 427 arrived in great shape. Prestige Motorsports sent pictures throughout the build process. "See the first post"

I also got an update from Monster Transmission today. My AOD core is being torn down today and inspected.
From Monster Transmissions:
Great News Steven ��, your transmission is on a technician's bench and is being torn down, prepped for the wash & case cleansing process.

During these steps your transmission will be undergoing additional Quality Control inspections �� . We tear our cores down to the bare case, inspecting every part and discarding anything that doesn't meet or exceed our standards.

Next is the Paint Department. Our transmissions are second to none and worth the wait. We appreciate your patience and will text you once it moves to the next stage.

These guys send a text almost every day.

[Guardm16]

Because it's a holiday weekend, I figure I can get an answer here faster:

Is this a standard or reverse rotation timing cover. I think it is standard.
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This is the water pump gasket in the proper orientation ...if that helps.
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I want to get started shopping for the accessory drive system, but need to have this basic question answered.

[Salty Chief 35]

Yeah… that should provide enough forward motivation for a 2,300 lb truck. Very nice!
Respectfully
Jeremie

[RuffShod]

Airborne!!!

[Guardm16]

Ruffshod, have you been looking at my toolbox? All my "Airborne" unit patches are there. LOL

[Guardm16]

Knees in the breeze Airborne

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[RuffShod]

Thats awesome!

I jumped Gatun in 87.

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[Guardm16]

Awesome, I love that drop zone. Did you go through JOTC? We might have been your OPFOR. I was there from 1985 to 1989 then again from 1991 until they shut down Ft. Kobbe in 1993. Fun times
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[RuffShod]

We did. I was 11C.

[Guardm16]

Nothing like jumping a baseplate. Wondering if that thing is going to hit you in the face.

[Guardm16]

I jumped with these guys for a few years. That was too much fun.

https://wwiiadt.org/

[RuffShod]

Have you seen these guys?

https://phantomairborne.us/

[Guardm16]

Transmission update.

Steven good news! Your Custom Built Monster Transmission is at the FINISH LINE ��

A series of Quality Control tests and inspections are taking place. Our engineers ����*�� will give your Monster a full check-up to make sure it will perform just as good as it looks! This stage is the most important to our team, we're serious about quality and want you to be thrilled with your Monster Transmission.

Once this process is complete, your order is boxed and shipped. You will receive a message as soon as it leaves our facility along with the Tracking information. Woohoo!

[Guardm16]

I have not seen Phantom, Looks like a fun organization. I have always enjoyed airshows and being part of them was extraordinary. I got to jump several platforms and wouldn't trade that experience for the world. But, on to other things...like a 35 Hot Rod Truck

[Guardm16]

Transmission update: I received this text from Monster Transmission,

Time to Celebrate Steven ��, your Order Number 564863 has SHIPPED!

�� Tracking Number: ESTES-Transport

From all of us here at Monster Transmission, we thank you for your business and look forward to serving you again in the future

Estes Says: Earliest Possible Delivery Date:
Mon, 1/22/2024 – Fri, 1/26/2024

All good news

[Guardm16]

Yesterday I got my final configuration call from Factory Five. What a milestone that is. Everything is in order and "on order." The final bill was paid and I have received the receipt. The build completion date on that sales order is 02/24/2024. And lastly Stuart Transport has been paid in full as well.

Is this where I am supposed to get excited?......to late, that started months ago. LOL

Next weekend I should be mating the transmission to the engine.

[DanQ]

This is the point where you will literally be turned into a ten year old boy on Christmas Eve-delivery day. At 64, I could not sit in my chair in the driveway when the driver called and said he was about 1/2 hour away.

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[Guardm16]

Thanks Dan, I am sure I will be doing the same. Maybe even flying the drone out to the Highway to catch an early peek. LOL

[Guardm16]

Well the transmission showed up today right on time. This weekend I will put the engine and trans together. Monster transmissions provided the AOD set up for 550 HP. We will put that to the test.
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[Guardm16]

The Torque converter will not rotate in the pilot hole of the crank, just a few thousandths tight, Is this just a matter of getting the paint off and putting a little emery cloth on the snout and crank?
Or is this something I should send the converter back? It goes in, but it doesn't slide easily. I did put a film of assembly lube on it, but that didn't help.
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It's a Thor 2300-2600, so not cheap

[Guardm16]

well I went ahead and removed the paint with a scotchbright pad and that helped a little, I then used some emery cloth on the inside of the crank pilot hole. The converter slipped in with the threads of the converter bolts causing a little friction in the flexplate holes. they are all right at the outer edge of the holes in the flexplate, but they slipped in on the test fit and just hung up a little when I was pulling it off. I put the TC on the transmission, rotated the TC until the mounting face of each TC bolt was 1 inch past the front of the bell housing. The transmission then mated right up to the block with a little wiggling.

The TC pulled up easy into the Flexplate as I torqued the four nuts. I think I am in business.

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I made the rolling cart from two Harbor Freight dollies and some of the 2x4s from the engine crate.


I also did a mock-up of the intake, just to get an idea of the overall scale. I will use a Holley Sniper 2 for fuel delivery, but for now, I used an old carburetor to mount the Spectre Performance Polished Plenum with 4" Dual Inlet.
A couple of 4 inch aluminum 45* elbows and will be capped off with a couple of K&N cone filters
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[Guardm16]

OK, Here we go. Just got off the phone. FFR said the truck will be complete in three days on the 24th. I then called Stewart Transport, they are set to pick up the kit next week. Time to requests some days away from the office.

[Guardm16]

Because it's a holiday weekend, I figure I can get an answer here faster:

Is this a standard or reverse rotation timing cover. I think it is standard.
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This is the water pump gasket in the proper orientation ...if that helps.
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The top right of this set
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I want to get started shopping for the accessory drive system, but need to have this basic question answered.

The accessory drive has been ordered from CVF Racing The small block ford A/C and Alt complete kit with 8 rib belt.
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[Guardm16]

Stewart will pick up on the 27th and deliver here in Arizona on March 4th - 6th. Time to straiten up the Shop loft area for boxes.

[Guardm16]

The accessory drive showed up from CVF Racing, went on without a hitch. Good looking stuff.
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[Guardm16]

Stewart emailed me today, they are running a bit late, but scheduled for delivery on Thursday. Disappointing

[Guardm16]

Today at about 8:00AM Kelly from Stewart Transport called and said he was about 5 miles out. I moved the wife's car to make room for boxes and waited in the driveway.

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All boxes accounted for, and a surprisingly short POL sheet.

Then at about 4:00pm, the door bell rings. FedEx has a delivery.

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Moser also delivered the same day. Only no call, no email, nothing, glad I was still home.

All in all, I'm not complaining. A very good day. but now a I have a 12 hour shift at work. Full inventory will just have to wait.

[RuffShod]

Make sure you leave everything in the box it came in, after inventory.

Have fun!

[Guardm16]

Inventory is about 75% done. So far only small items missing like: 6, 1/4 x 1 inch black button head, etc. with the exception of the body aluminum. The packing list says the bottom cab floor was packed in the cab, but it's not there. I will be going through the aluminum box of parts tonight, not sure those can fit in a box.

In the mean time, I had a few friends over and we could not help but go ahead and hang the Moser rear end.
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I built some legs from 2x4 material left over from the Engine Crate. The legs support the tail of the truck while we hung the rear end. It allowed us to put the transmission jack under the Moser, start bolting things up and not worry about the front of the truck lifting. Side benefit: the truck bed makes a great assembly table for smaller parts like shocks. The friends and I all stood around the table with parts, tools and drinks "spot checking" each others work. Great time and fellowship.

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Yes, I know the tire is on the wrong side, just checking the backspace. I may need to add in little spacer, it's close to the top bed mount.

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Mocked up the rear brakes. It looks good, the wheel studs are tight when installing the rotor.

[Mr. Jones]

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So the Moser custom axle tags...were those on the rear end when you received it? Ours didn't come with the tags and I didn't find them anywhere in the crate...??

[Guardm16]

Yes, the tags simply stated all the fluid has been drained. There was some additional paperwork in the crate that stated the recommended lubricant and a friction modifier.

[Guardm16]

We are officially a Roller!

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Still a little brake plumbing to do. Thanks to Edwardb. He had a great write-up on installing a power brake booster. This weekend will be the engine/trans then start on the power blakes.

[Guardm16]

The engine is in along with the bottom cab floor and insulation panels. Last week I laced up the safety wire and installed the front brakes. Rolling along day by day.

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[Guardm16]

I was able to get a little more done this weekend around the time spent fixing a patio door and installing a new ceiling fan 16 feet over the kitchen floor.

I have installed the radiator/grill and the A/C- Heater core into the dash area. The brake booster and master cylinder are also in place.

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Let me know what you think.

[Guardm16]

It is nice to have a day dedicated to the project. I was able to button up a few things and start on a few others.

The brake system is complete although I ordered a double flare tool to shorten some of the tubing to make it more visually pleasing.
the exhaust system needs about 25%. I am placing an "H" pipe just behind the transmission mount and putting the mufflers a little farther back. (thanks to the Extended Cab for that) I am working on figuring out a side exhaust behind the doors, Pictures to follow. I also noticed the down pipe on the passenger side was interfering with the starter mount in the bellhousing. I was able to finally get things into place after some cussing.
the power steering is almost done. I still have to cut the smallest shaft to fit between the steering motor and the rack. I ordered a 90 degree oil filter adapter, there was a small clearance issue wit the full size oil filter and the power steering motor.
The intake is set, although I may have to find a way to lower it about 1 inch; depends on the cab and grill alignment. I may have to check out a high clearance hood or an intake bubble of some type. I want to include the hood without the side covers.
The wiring harness is next (lots of sleepless nights thinking about accessories)

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[TxMike64]

...I also noticed the down pipe on the passenger side was interfering with the starter mount in the bellhousing ... I ordered a 90 degree oil filter adapter, there was a small clearance issue wit the full size oil filter and the power steering motor.

I have the same issue with the passenger side downpipe on my build ('33 HR, 302/AOD). How did you resolve it? It seems no matter how much I move things around, the only way to get stuff in the correct location/orientation is going to require bashing-in the downpipe to get it closer to the trans.

Again I have the same issue with the oil filter hitting the PS Motor. I think to resolve it I'm going to "adjust" the engine mounts with a die grinder to slot the holes, and put spacers between the mounts and the block. This will move the engine up and forward to gain me clearance from the PS Motor and get my driveshaft angle correct.

[Guardm16]

Has anyone ever used on of these before? Are they any good? I need to move the Oil Filter, it is in the way of the Power Steering motor. This would turn the filter 90 degrees forward.

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[Guardm16]

I have the same issue with the passenger side downpipe on my build ('33 HR, 302/AOD). How did you resolve it? It seems no matter how much I move things around, the only way to get stuff in the correct location/orientation is going to require bashing-in the downpipe to get it closer to the trans.

Again I have the same issue with the oil filter hitting the PS Motor. I think to resolve it I'm going to "adjust" the engine mounts with a die grinder to slot the holes, and put spacers between the mounts and the block. This will move the engine up and forward to gain me clearance from the PS Motor and get my driveshaft angle correct.

On the downpipe, I used MAP gas to heat the pipe and then used a 1.5 inch Impact socket as a "die" and drove it into the pipe. I used a 6" extension to keep my hands out of the way. It only took a few good hits on the socket. I only needed about 1/4 inch or so of a linear dimple. I looked at the Driver's side headers from BBK, there is a square indentation on one of the pipes, I assume that is for steering shaft clearance on some models. Anyway, the dimple I did is not a large as that one, so I figured; good for the Goose"

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I ordered on of the 90 degree oil filter adapters to clear the power steering motor, Still would like to hear feedback from others on that before I put it on $15K engine.

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I also don't have as much room from the crank pully to the steering rack, I don't think I could move the engine forward much. I have CVF Racing serpentine belts and it is 8 ribs wide, therefore further forward on the chassis.

[TxMike64]

There was an episode of Engine Masters where they beat the crap out of multiple header primary tubes and saw zero reduction in power. I think because you're not really reducing the cross-section area - only deforming it's shape - that the flow volume/velocity is unaffected. I have no qualms about doing it, other than I don't want it to look bad.

You should have no concerns about running that filter adapter - they've been used for years in performance applications. LMR and Summit have pretty good prices on them. I do like the design of the old cast style from Ford Motorsport (I guess they call it Ford Performance or Ford Racing now) like THIS (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6880-a50) instead of the new billet one, but it's not available anymore. I do like to Summit one, only because it's black (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-120114). Either one should be fine - just make sure it's clean inside with no burrs from threading and it should pose no risk to your new motor.

Ah, yeah, those accessory drives look nice, but are quite large and bulky IMO. I'm using an Explorer timing cover, water pump, and crank pully/balancer - it is all very short and compact. I designed/machined by own alternator mount and combination idler mount / coil mount. The coil you see in my picture is a Hyperspark coil, I just removed the bracket and mounted it to my bracket.

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[Guardm16]

TxMike64 wrote, "There was an episode of Engine Masters where they beat the crap out of multiple header primary tubes and saw zero reduction in power. I think because you're not really reducing the cross-section area - only deforming it's shape - that the flow volume/velocity is unaffected. I have no qualms about doing it, other than I don't want it to look bad."

While the down pipe was in place and touching the edge of the starter blister on the bell housing, I used a sharpie to mark a line showing the contact patch. I was able to align my big socket with the mark to produce the desired dimple. I had a stack of leather welding gloves under the down pipe while it was on the shop floor for the beating. lol. Surprisingly, when the MAP Gas was applied, the sharpie line never really burned off completely, it turned a light gray color but remained visible. The downpipe did go through the color change as it heated: Blue, Yellow etc. But, returned to the nice ceramic "chrome" look once it cooled. The dimple lined up well and is not visible at all.

[Guardm16]

OK, progress is being made. The bracket for the Coil has been made and installed. The plug wire separators are installed. The fuel line and return are complete. I rolled her out of the garage a bit and back in, man this this is easy to push around, like rolling a tire.

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I have a few friends on their way, to help put the cab on tonight. Then the fun starts, fitting the doors, all the wiring, etc.

[Chris Wingardh]

Not familiar with what you show, but i re-located my oil filter to the firewall, below the steering rod.

[Guardm16]

The cab is back on. Now it looks like a truck.

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Sorry for the Cheezy selfie, but I am damn proud.

[Chris Wingardh]

Now, get the doors fitted.....they are Bixxh

[Guardm16]

Radiator issues. It looks to me that the "Choice" of ride height makes a difference on the grill as well. I never considered this when selecting the "Higher" height. I needed the ground clearance as my subdivision has several large speed bumps. Using the lower holes on the frame to raise ride, also means the radiator mount uses the lower mounting point on the chassis and thus the entire grill is lower relative to the engine bay and cab of the truck. (If any of that makes sense)

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Because the radiator is lower on the chassis, the lower radiator hose appears to point directly at the lower suspension cross plate that ties the two front lower A arms tot he frame. Not sure how to solve this one without cutting the plate in the middle.

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[Guardm16]

So Lew suggested using the upper hole for the radiator mount and the lower for the suspension. Is this the answer everyone has used? Thanks again Lew.

[Brave Salmon]

Has anyone ever used on of these before? Are they any good? I need to move the Oil Filter, it is in the way of the Power Steering motor. This would turn the filter 90 degrees forward.

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On my 33 with 347sbf, I found a smaller oil filter that fit with plenty of clearance. Don't know #as car was sold but look around. I used Wix only

[Guardm16]

So here it is after 5 months of work, the first start of my 35 truck. Prestige Motorsports 427 with 536 HP. Holley Sniper 2 Fuel Injection. Started on the first crank, great work on the engine build guys.

https://youtu.be/O0JQ-pZeQXU

Hope the link works.

[Guardm16]

I was hooking up the throttle cable ball link on my Holley Sniper 2 and broke the ball link. Anyone have a good source for these cable ball links? I stripped one. I can find several that use threaded rod, but none for the cable input.

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Actually I need the correct size on the ball side, but I couldn't find a picture of that in the build manual

[Just 1 More]

I was hooking up the throttle cable ball link on my Holley Sniper 2 and broke the ball link. Anyone have a good source for these cable ball links? I stripped one. I can find several that use threaded rod, but none for the cable input.

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Actually I need the correct size on the ball side, but I couldn't find a picture of that in the build manual

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-wca-1034

[Guardm16]

Thank you J1M, but Ouch $34.00 plus shipping, a bit steep.

This is the part I am looking for, I can find several that are 10mm and larger. I measured the one in the kit as 1/4" ball or 6.35mm.


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[Just 1 More]

Thank you J1M, but Ouch $34.00 plus shipping, a bit steep.

This is the part I am looking for, I can find several that are 10mm and larger. I measured the one in the kit as 1/4" ball or 6.35mm.


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ACE hardware has some ends that might work, also check NAPA

[Guardm16]

ACE hardware has some ends that might work, also check NAPA

I checked both. LOL Ace had complete ball ends and the threaded link, but they were not separable and could not attach to the cable. Napa looked at me and asked what carburetor it came from, I said that doesn't matter, it's the cable link I need, it can bolt onto any carburetor. Then the guy disappeared to the back for about 10 minutes, reemerged with nothing more than a shake of his head, handed me my part and disappeared again.

[TxMike64]

Search for "Carb Ball Stud"

https://allcarbs.com/product/carburetor-linkage-throttle-ball-stud/

https://a.co/d/bMalBnF

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/edelbrock/performance/fuel-system/carburetors/edelbrock-carburetor-parts---components/007aa9474c04/edelbrock-throttle-ball-assortment/edb0/12413

https://www.autozone.com/fuel-systems/carburetor-external-service-parts/p/edelbrock-carburetor-throttle-ball-stud-kit/673944_0_0?srsltid=AfmBOoqzclZdd6_2wtBZgaHCpBEDRBx T8z4-TxV75kGCXNvP_nNwECQI

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[Dmp0001]

These are going to look awesome on that truck!

[Guardm16]

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Things are progressing slowly:
The parking brake is installed, I had to fabricate a link for that. The exhaust "H" pipe took up some of the space needed for the supplied connection.
Bed is going on. I added a piece of 1.5x1.5 aluminum angle to the "Cab to bed" area, makes a much better fit.
The AOD is completely hooked up with B&M shifter and the Lokar TV cable is installed. I hope this weekend to be able to adjust the line pressure and go GO-KARTING!!!!!

More pictures to follow this weekend

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So here is the link I made for the e-brake. I put in an "H" pipe crossover on the exhaust so I had to create a way to not burn up the cables. The H pipe takes up the same real estate as the cable mount. So I moved it aft and added a length of 3/8 stainless steel all -thread and stainless steel tube as a guide. Connected to eash end of the all-thread are ball links for flexibility. The system works very well.

[Guardm16]

Go-Kart complete. The first drive went well. I spent two days tinkering to get the transmission line pressure correct and the radiator fan hooked up and set to come on at a good temp. My wife added a little music to celebrate. Another milestone met.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Bu6CY3BrmXE

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uRNR3bo-iEE

[Guardm16]

Started working on the body (Bed First) The plan is to button up the rear end then start on the doors and hood.

I added two vents to the rear of the Stainless bed, these are to help clear air from the transmission cooler that sits in front of the fuel tank. Also gives access to the fuel tank sending unit and the in tank fuel pump.
I also added an aluminum hatch over the battery for easy access there.
After those were cut, I used carbon fiber (look) vinyl wrap on the bed and created four bed strips out of 1 1/2 inch wide aluminum flat bar. These will keep the beer cooler from scratching the wrap.

I put down 1/8 thick by 1 inch wide rubber window seal (sticky on one side) on the bed frame from front to back on every square tube behind the cab. This was done to limit the rattle of the bed. I also used nut-zerts in the frame to secure the stainless steel bed to the frame.
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The bed sides have been fit, and then removed for body work. If you look closely at the side to front bed joint, you will see a piece of 1 inch angle aluminum used to square and secure the sides and front bed.
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The side exhaust has also been roughed in. These will have a stainless ring on the body (the stainless sheet metal cut from the bed openings will be used) These are just behind the cab doors and pass through the 1x1 inch top and bottom chassis rails. When adjusted and complete, they will not stick out quite so far. Not flush, but maybe a 1/4 to 1/2 reveal.
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[Guardm16]

More progress:
Doors are being fitted
Hood has be extended - I cut the radiator surround and then bolted and bonded the section to the front of the hood. I really like the look of the hood on the Speedstar and 33 Hotrod. I have also cut a section of the lower surround up to just below the Upper control arms. I have always loved the look of the inboard suspension, and don't want to hide it
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I will grind down the heads of the bolts attaching the surround, then use fiberglass filler to smooth the lines. I will add a thin flat of aluminum to the underside of the seam and fiberglass that in place, just to be 100% sure.

[Guardm16]

Not much to report other than continuing to wrestle with the doors. Not much in the way of visible progress other than I did install the wipers.

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[CA_PI]

Just read your build thread. Thanks for posting. Very enlightening. Are you going to use carbon fiber wrap on thie sides of the bed as well or just the bottom and paint the sides to match the color of the truck?

[Guardm16]

Just read your build thread. Thanks for posting. Very enlightening. Are you going to use carbon fiber wrap on thie sides of the bed as well or just the bottom and paint the sides to match the color of the truck?

I have a brushed aluminum wrap for the inside of the bed. To match the firewall. But that will be after paint.

[Guardm16]

The doors are on and latched. I rough trimmed areas needed after I set the hinges to get them to close and latch. Then used tape around the edges and a $3.00 child's school compass to scribe the gap all the way around. the drivers rood is fully trimmed, the passenger door still needs the "gap" treatment.

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I will work on the door handles after paint. For now, I just reach in to unlatch.

[jcarcustom]

Very interesting project. I saw a photo that you are using as a reference in the design of your project, are you going to keep it in the military style?

[Guardm16]

Very interesting project. I saw a photo that you are using as a reference in the design of your project, are you going to keep it in the military style?

Yes, I am. I am retired Army. The Name of the Truck is FUBAR. Few people know the real story. (totally made up) FUBAR is the vehicle that Kilroy used to get deep into occupied Europe. Kilroy was famous for leaving his "mark" all around Europe ahead of the advancing Allies. This mark was comforting to the invasion troops as well as striking fear into the German's who never could catch up to Kilroy. I am using Dodge F-8 green

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[Guardm16]

I am not running engine side covers or fenders and I like the lean in the Hot Rod grill. I am sure that FFR just makes a happy medium fit for all the combinations. I cut the grill cowl and made my hood more like the Hot Rod or Speed star. With the lean in the grill, I had plenty of hood and had to create gaps on both the front and the back.

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I used 1/4 counter sunk bolts to attach the cowl to the hood, added some aluminum strips underneath for strength and fiberglassed everything in. Long strand fiberglass filler for the gap and plenty of sanding.

I still have to add little triangle pieces to the front corners of the hood, but all in all I like the results,

[Guardm16]

So I am not sure if this is even a problem, but a concern of mine is the lower radiator hose hanging under the chassis at the lower A-arm mounts. While it it higher than the tip of the grill, It just looks like road debris could take out the lower hose.
This is my solution.

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First out of cardboard. I love my CAD system "Cardboard Aided Design"

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Then aluminum. I am still shaping, mostly over my knee and a little on the bench vise (sorry, no sheet metal brake in my shop"
I will attach with bolts and Nut-zerts so that I can remove it quickly.

I used 1/16th aluminum (had it on hand) but could have used thinner. The curve of the cover makes it very strong.
Still have more shaping to do to reach the final form and function, but happy so far.

[Guardm16]

I am almost 100% in bodywork mode now. Hood, and doors are smoothed to 180 grit with minimal filler. I will get up to 300 on everything before I take it in for paint.

I am working on a more updated rear section: NASCAR Truck style wing, defuser, tail lights etc. So I have never been excited about the tailgate latch and strap. I would like to have the ability to lower the tailgate and I have cut out the Roll pan to gain access to the top of the gas tank. I decided to try these pushbutton latches mounted on the tailgate.

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CR3439H8?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

I'll let you know how it turns out.

[Grandpas Garage]

So Lew suggested using the upper hole for the radiator mount and the lower for the suspension. Is this the answer everyone has used? Thanks again Lew.

I used the lower hole for the suspension and the upper for the rad bracket. I then drilled and tapped a 1/4" hole in the frame and install a 1/4" bolt to lign up with the hole in the bracket in to maintain the bracket in its correct location. Works just fine

[Guardm16]

I have built a body buck / trolley for the cab. This will stay in place for painting. It also helped keep the cab stable while flipping in to roll in the Herculiner Bed Liner as the headliner.
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[Guardm16]

Here is the trolley for the cab, right side up. Make it very easy to roll outside for sanding
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After several days of fiberglass filler, sanding, body filler, sanding, primer, sanding, filler, sanding, glaze, sanding, sanding and sanding. The cab is still not done. Maybe another weekend of block sanding.

I built the trolley to fit on the truck bed (keeps the wife happy she can still park her car in the garage.)
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I simply take the cab down (with the help of a friend), push it outside and work on making if smooth and then put it back on the bed frame area.

[Guardm16]

Next weekend will be a bit cooler, so I will work on the under dash stuff. Complete the A/C lines and heater hoses. I also have pesky drip at the thermostat housing, not bad, just a drop or two every ten minutes when running, but totally unacceptable. I will drain the system, install the heater hoses to the core and fix the thermostat gasket at the same time.

[Guardm16]

Two new updates.

1) I did a color test of the Chrysler F-8 Green. This was factory color in a spray can with 2k clear, also a spray can, there is some orange peel but I didn't cut it or anything.
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This is the back side of the truck bed front panel. I am not going to paint this myself, I just wanted to see the color on a panel.

2) I drew up and cut the dash for the A/C controls. I will have a GPS screen below the dash in the center area, so that was unavailable. I also did not want anything hanging down into either of the foot box areas. So this was the selected location.
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I added fiberglass filler to the back side of the dash, just to ensure there was enough materiel there because I was cutting into the lip of the detail (bead roll) of the dash, then I simply fit the control panel.

[Guardm16]

Getting closer to paint. The bed sides and dash are primed and sanded to 600. The cab is on the trolley and sanded to 180. Filling some pin holes then will sand to 320 and 600. The hood is also sanded to 320.
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[Guardm16]

Slow progress these last few months. For some reason, the wife thinks now would be a good time to look for a new home, fix-up and sell this one. So I cut her a deal. As long as the new house has at least a three car garage or at best a separate shop then yes. She agreed and actually said. "a garage/shop with a separate bathroom" (not sure what I may have done to trigger that response). But, several small projects around the house later, it is on the market...and there are several houses in the area that meet the criteria and a few with lifts included. So, whish us luck and I will report back on the other side. Oh the possibilities.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10796-N-Saddle-Pass-Rd-Prescott-AZ-86305/8723358_zpid/
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1115-Longview-Dr-Prescott-AZ-86305/67812738_zpid/
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4704-Sharp-Shooter-Way-Prescott-AZ-86301/82018671_zpid/

[Guardm16]

Good news, we made an offer on a place with a large three car garage. One stall is separated and 30 feet long. That gives me room for a workbench and tool chests. The other two car garage also has additional storage on the side for yard equipment so that wont encroach into my shop. Now, let's hope they accept the offer and we can get this party started.
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Not sure if this should go here but: The house also has a bonus room that looks a like a German beer hall. So looking forward to seeing what my German wife will do to that. Prost!
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[Guardm16]

The day has come. The truck is at the Paint Shop.
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This is the color Choice
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The paint Shop had me come by this morning and approve some spray outs. Man if this thing is half a glossy as the spay out paddle, I will be happy.
Primer/sealer today, color this week.

[Guardm16]

Got a call from the body shop on the 3rd they are getting some color on. They found a few scratches on the inside of the door at the transition to the window area. So they want me to come down and take a look. I already told them if they found anything to just do the prep and add it to the bill. But, they want to see me on Monday. Had a good 4th of July. Now I want Monday to come. I will get some pictures of the progress so far and add them here.

[Guardm16]

Went to the painter on Monday. He had shot the sealer onto the inside of the doors and stopped. He wanted me to talk to him about the hinge cut area. I had put in some panel adhesive to fill small gaps behind the hinges...much like bedding a riffle receiver. The bottom line is I didn't sand that smooth (on purpose) he was just concerned before he proceeded. So yesterday he continued with the sealer. The painting continues.

On a side note: I'm not sure if it was needed, but the first time I started to fit the doors, I could see some small gaps and could see the fiberglass flexing as I torqued down the hinge. This was I bedded the hinges.

[Guardm16]

The shop is just about done blocking the truck out. With color going on in the next day or so and clear on Friday. The owner said I may be able to pick it up on Monday if there are no spots they need to fix after the color goes on.
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I am not going to be able to sleep much this weekend. lol

[Guardm16]

It's Green
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Now, Do I take a week off work to start putting this thing back together?

[Salty Chief 35]

You definitely look a little under the weather ��

[Guardm16]

I picked up the body from paint today and with the help of coworkers mounted the Cab.
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Chief, I will go to work tomorrow, maybe attach one of the bed sides when I get home.

[Pat Landymore]

I am liking your choice of color!!!
👍🏼👍🏼
Cheers!

[Guardm16]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bA1pFvlXck

Can't wait to get this thing on the road.

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[Salty Chief 35]

That’s a great color. Well done.

[Guardm16]

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The bed is on, a few little alignment things to do, but glad to get it to this point.

[Guardm16]

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It's like a Mullet, Business up front, Party in the back. Since the intent is Autocross, I thought I would have a little fun.

[Guardm16]

I had a minor medical procedure the other day, so not much will be happening over the weekend. I still want to make my DMV inspection appointment before the endo of the month. Still need to:
Wire Head lights
Wire tail lights
Wire windshield wipers
install seatbelts.
Most everything is just needs final connections and testing. I still need to final align the doors and hood, but the inspection stuff takes priority.

More pictures to share.
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[Guardm16]

Since my Doc wont let me lift anything, adjusting the doors and such are off the table for a few days. But, graphics don't weigh much so there is that.

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I am pleased to introduce FUBAR.

All the lights are working as they should, next is the horn and wipers. Then I can schedule the inspection and hope all goes well there.

[RuffShod]

Allsome!!!

[Guardm16]

Adding a matte green decal to the hood. It fits the design of the truck and helps with the glare.

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This is a great pic of the thru-body exhaust. That was a challenge for sure.

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[Guardm16]

OK, so the matte green "wrap" materiel didn't work out as planed. 3M 2080 vinyl wrap, I am told, is the only wrap that will stand by it's 5 year guarantee here in Arizona. I made my pattern cut out the materiel and laid it down. It is a good quality wrap, but, probably not the best materiel for the application. without even adding any heat, as I worked my way down the hood the wrap began to stretch (well that's what it is designed to do) not much mind you but just a little off to the passenger side, (my left hand while squeegee in the right) the result was about a 1/4 inch deviation in the passenger side edge. In all not that much but something I knew would eat at me. I am not confident enough to put a blade to the vinyl after it's on the paint, so, off it came.

The second plan was to have a local custom paint artist lay down the olive drab and also paint the star on the hood. Her work is incredible, but the color of matte olive green she has looked too much like Lime Green next to the color of the truck. So plan three. I will lay out the paint and give it a go.

I laid down pin strip tape to set my edge, masked off the car and went to town. The first coat went on great, with the second even better. I noticed a slight color shift spot where I was a bit thin, so I re-loaded up the gun and prepared for a light third coat. Well, I guess I didn't get he cup tight and got some beautiful spatter all over the new paint.
needless to say there were a few choice words and a beer to help cool me down. Another full day of re-sanding and starting over. But this time all went well. After the color, a few very light coats of a matte clear. I ordered a new vinyl Star for the center of the hood, I'll post more pictures when she's all done.

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I wasn't sure of my ability to lay out the curved edges I had on the wrap, so I just carried the line to the front and rear edge of the hood. Still, for a plan #3, I like the results.

[Guardm16]

I'm getting the dash set up today. "Semi permanent" if I have to pull it back out to make all the connections I will, but I'll fight the good fight until then.

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[Guardm16]

I am calling the paint "DONE"

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[Guardm16]

DOT inspection is set for 9/16/2025. I hate waiting. lol

[Guardm16]

Drove around a bit today through the neighborhood. "Heat Cycle" test. They have to be done....Right? LOL

I found it goes from 25 to 55 very quickly. Not unhappy at all.

[Blitzboy54]

Masterpiece.... just perfect

[Guardm16]

Masterpiece.... just perfect

Thank you , What a labor of love. I cant say that I would be ready to do it again any time soon, but it sure was fun to challenge myself every step of the way. (Can I make this better?, or Will this work?) what a fun project start to finish, and by finish I mean today, tomorrow I may have another idea. Thanks again.

[Guardm16]

I am using a Factory Five Gold Supporting Vendor (Julio Car Custom) https://www.jcarcustom.com/comissions
to create a rendering and Car Show Sign. Julio is great to work with and always returns emails promptly. I have sent him photos and given him some data for the truck. Looking forward to seeing his work.
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Sorry to say I didn't close the door all the way, it really does fit. LOL

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[Guardm16]

Well I have to say thank you to Nicole Smith at FFR. She included a write-up on my truck in the September "What's-New" website and social media. I am honored that my project was selected and equally grateful to be a part of this community. Without this forum, I would still be scratching my head. Thank you everyone.

https://www.factoryfive.com/whats-new/steven-a-hot-rod-truck/

[Guardm16]

It is Done! It is Official! Well as far an the state of Arizona is concerned. FUBAR has an AZ VIN, Title and license plate.

Took about 30 minutes for the inspection and another 30 min to get it registered. No hiccups other than the Vehicle Date. The MVD of AZ said because the Certificate Of Origin says "manufactured in 2024" It must be registered as a 2024 FFR 1/4 ton Truck. Not looking forward to the insurance company discussion. But as it may, I will get through that too.

Let the good time s roll.

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[Guardm16]

Now Google Gemini can do 1/18 scale models for us. I typed in the text listed below in BOLD Italics. I got a workbench, not a computer screen. That's OK by me.

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Here was the original text as it appeared in the G"Google Gemini of my MKIV"

If you are interested..

Go to Google Gemini and upload a photo of your car
Then type the following:

Create a 1/18 scale commercialized figurine in the picture, in a realistic style, in a real environment. The figurine is placed on a computer desk. The figurine has a transparent acrylic base, with no text on the base. The content on the computer screen is the Blender modeling process of this figurine. Next to the computer screen is a TAMIYA style toy packaging box printed with the original artwork.

[Guardm16]

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This is what Gemini says I would look like Racing at Laguna Seca.


Because my truck is the vehicle Kilroy used to get around Europe during WWII. Here are "actual photos" of FUBAR everywhere the Allied invasion force went.
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Being flown to England

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Helping get the Allied Bombing missions on track

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Early in the war helping in Africa

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kicked the Germans out of Italy

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Inland after the Allies landed at Normandy

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Setting up a Road block during the Bulge

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Looking for bier in Berlin

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Atop the Eagle's Nest with the 101st.

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After the war von Braun was very interested in how this truck could have been everywhere in Europe. "Time travel?"

[Guardm16]

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This has all been very confusing, wait, I think I have it figured out. It must be Time Travel.
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[Guardm16]

Well, we moved into our new home last weekend and I am busy setting up my new shop. This house has a third and separate garage bay for my truck with an attached15x30 shop room to keep tools and parts away from the cars in the garage. That is the good news. The bad news. I had my wife drive me to our storage unit, where I have kept my 35 truck safe during the move. When I jumped it to fire it up and drive it to it's new home, the starter just spins. Nothing I could do to get the solenoid to kick in. So, I ordered a new starter from Jegs and will have to swap it out in the storage unit. Nothing is ever easy!

[Guardm16]

New starter went in, in about 10 minutes and the truck fired right up. FUBAR is setting in her new home very happy to be in a separate space safe from falling rakes and other yard tools of destruction. I was able to drive to my Allstate insurance agent and get coverage thru Hagerty in about 10 minutes, with a final approval and insurance cards the next day.

On another note: Julio is busy working on some artwork I have commissioned. He does great work.
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For those of you who may be interested, Julio is a Factory Five Vendor you can find him on the Vendor page or click this link.

https://www.jcarcustom.com

Thanks again Julio

[Guardm16]

This Saturday is our first gathering of gear heads we will attend. The 4th Saturday of each month is Cars and Coffee with many local car chapters in attendance. Should be fun as it is open to all types of vehicles. I'll post pictures after.

[Guardm16]

Alignment complete:
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On a side note: I don't normally feel anxiety over things. I don't lose sleep over things I cannot effect until tomorrow. That being said, I had a difficult time giving the keys to the local shop to do the alignment, Knowing they would drive off to "confirm" the alignment. All the terrible things went through my brain, the "what if's" I am not sure I felt any better when the mechanic tried to sell me his 1960's Dodge Dart POS before he got started. He said, "Don't worry, I have a classic muscle car." Well, it doesn't have fenders, headlights or a hood, so I didn't feel any better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MomZ70_y5e0

[Guardm16]

I was able to take FUBAR to the local Veteran's Day Parade here in Prescott AZ. These are the only two pictures I have found as of today.
I was placed with the VA Hospital (that's where I work) and we took first place. Nice to think I contributed to that success.
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[Guardm16]

An exciting day today. It is professional tuning day. I will report on the results after.

[Guardm16]

Wow what a fun experience and educational too. If you follow my thread you will know that I had the guys at Prestige Motorsports build my engine. It is a SBF 427.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X94phVDgtY

Yesterday, I had Chance, from Prestige MS. remote into my computer and do a tune for my truck. I know what you are thinking, "Not a dyno tune?" Since PMS already did a dyno run on the motor we know what it will do and I am not going to be hitting the 1/4 mile or autocross track.....very often. I just needed it tuned well enough to drive on the weekends and be dependable to take on road trips.

The first thing Chance noticed was some odd numbers in the A/F tables so we talked about where the O2 sensor was located and exhaust layout etc. Then chance asked what the altitude is where I live. Well, I am at 6000 feet in Northern AZ. he immediately went to work fine tuning the A/F target, as well as the A/F table, fuel enrichments and ignition timing. He was able have me check several things like static timing, total timing and ensuring the secondaries were closing completely. We adjusted the IAC and TPS. I cant tell you all how much I learned about base tuning. I am not sure why I never considered elevation before, I guess I assumed the Sniper 2 would handle that.

All in all about an hours later the truck was ready to test drive. I took it out, went up to about 7000' and back down, ran hard in all gears and did about an 1/8 mile at WOT. When I got back, I reconnected with Chance and he was able to download the learn table and smooth that out for optimum performance. Chance also did something I hadn't thought of. He set the Idle to go to 1500rpm at about 220 degrees of coolant temp. The thinking is that if you pull up to a light and the RPM does not come down to an idle, you will scan your gauges. The added RPM will also run the water pump faster. I thought that was a nice added bonus.

Bottom Line, it was a fun educational experience and the truck is running great.