Gen2 FFR Front Shock Mount Fix ?

[VD2021]

Has anyone installed the fix with success? I did a mock-up on the RH side last evening and my spring was still in contact with the upper control arm.

[Joe Mush]

I had the same result as you.

[dm65]

71177118I have been successful, but with alterations. I will attach a couple of pictures. I needed mre spaces on the drivers than the other.7117

[Joe Mush]

Did you keep the same spacing on the bottom?

[dm65]

No, moved the shock toward the rear as far as it would go. You have to install at least 2 washers between the new bracket and the shock for movement.

[crash]

Shane has advised on the other forum that the "fix" is not designed for the Gen II cars. Only the Gen Is. This was told to him by FFR apparently.

[dm65]

Guys, my paperwork plainly has GTM Gen 2 written across the top. ??

[Joe Mush]

My instruction have Gen 2 on them also.

[Joe Mush]

Maybe some one from FFR can post a reply?

[VD2021]

According to the instruction sheet it is specifically for the Gen2. The Gen1 GTMs with the black koni shocks can just flip them to the correct position without any modification. I know Spytech has. The upper mounts were not moved aft with the upper control arm mounts when they were moved to gain more caster.

I was pleasantly surprised at the turn around with this fix. However........

The washers/spacers appear to be a fix for the fix......

[mikespms]

7141Looking at dm65's photos the center of the shock is lined up with the center of the aft upper mount. Thats the center of the upper control arm, I moved that mount back and used the long spacer from the kit to center the shock on the top mount. The lower shock mount needs to be spaced aft allso to get the shock on the center, I am going to make new spacers for that instead of using washers.

[Edgeman]

Bump????? These instructions Don't work same with the parts F5 sent out! Maybe a new shock? I will try the same thing dm65 has done!
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[3400TURBO]

How about taking the lower mount placing it on a plate which would allow it to bolt to the stock location and also move the shock mount inwards about 1 inch and when satisfied weld it onto the provided mount. Seems stronger than using bushings and also with the bushing I found I could still turn the lower control arm and get the spring to hit both sides of the upper arm, not at same time, by moving around the cam bolts.

[VD2021]

How about taking the lower mount placing it on a plate which would allow it to bolt to the stock location and also move the shock mount inwards about 1 inch and when satisfied weld it onto the provided mount. Seems stronger than using bushings and also with the bushing I found I could still turn the lower control arm and get the spring to hit both sides of the upper arm, not at same time, by moving around the cam bolts.

Sounds OK. However the more you move the mounts from the FFR designed positions the more you move away from the original designed geometry. The fix was suppose to create clearance and not throw off the geometry.

[3400TURBO]

What I was thinking on doing would move the shock inwards about 1 inch on bottom and still use the factory five updated mount. When they put out the mount it moved the position of the shock outwards 1 inch on top so whats another one from the bottom? This way the strain from your shocks will be transferred directly at the mount not through one side of the mount and the other through bushing. I am sure bushings will work fine but I already didn't like the fact that I have to use a mount onto a mount making things that much weaker. Any more input is appreciated, I will be working on this in a couple days going at the Cavaliers engine tonight, finally getting my other beast back on the go with a built 3400 v6 and 70mm turbo. Can't wait to hear the turbo again its been months.

[sressue]

Just finished with my GTM Gen 2 shock modification and although it gives me clearance it looks like crap. Hope someday to replace the front shocks and go back to the stock location. Here is what my finished product looks like. The FF instructions did not move the shock over far enough, so I had to do what most have done. Still not very attractive.8843

[3400TURBO]

I have decided to put a set of koni yellow on until there is a better fix for this, I picked up some quarter plate which I was going to make a spacer just like the brackets ffr sent but without the ear instead of seperate alum bushings but I would have to grind the ear of the stock mount, so I opted to use yellows for the time being and I may go back to blacks when I see a permanent fix I like. I wish there was a better obvious fix but I still think ffr moving the mount to get more caster was a good idea after reading some peoples stories of bump steer and unstable at high speeds.

[VD2021]

The black koni were made for the GTM and judging their data, should work far better than the 30 series.

I see only three options for the mount.

1.leave it as it is.
2.Use the FFR fix which requires spacers and grinding a little off the aft mount.
3.Move the mount aft.

[fastthings]

The black koni were made for the GTM and judging their data, should work far better than the 30 series.

I see only three options for the mount.

1.leave it as it is.
2.Use the FFR fix which requires spacers and grinding a little off the aft mount.
3.Move the mount aft.

I haven't got that far yet, but I think I will do #3.
I already have to cut apart one of the front lower control arm mounts, it was welded so that the cam block is on the inside.

[mikespms]

8893 The picture is not very good but is the the only one that did not go over the size limit. I cut the aft mount of the upper shock mount and relocated it so that the shock is centered beetwen the upper control arm mounts and used the long spacer from the fix kit to mount the shock. I also made new spacers to move the shock back on the lower shock mount.