Gen 3 Coyote Engine hoist mounting

[Junbug]

Below are pics of the current location of the engine hoist mounts as my engine came from Mike Forte. I believe there are better locations as these are both on the back of the engine (closest to the transmission). I understand its best to have one on the front and one on the back side of the engine, but I'm curious where the best lift points are? I believe for the PS they are one of the two holes immediately above the left most exhaust/header port? And on the DS potentially one of the holes right above the transmission (facing back toward the left in this photo. I appreciate any advice and experience. I'm a few weeks away from putting the engine in, so I'm starting to make sure I get the best advice!

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=188373&d=1691300652

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=188374&d=1691300652

[mmklaxer]

Mike's hoist points are great for moving the engine around, but they will not allow you to get the engine in/out of the car. They're just WAY too wide. You need any of the aftermarket lifting set ups that pick up fromt he M14 points right/aft and left front.

[Alan_C]

I am using the lift brackets from TD Motion. They mount to the left front and right rear corners of the block. I am not using them on a Factory Five but I have had no issues with them. The right rear is a bit tight on room when removing the bracket.
https://tdmotion.com/product/coyote-engine-lift-brackets/

[toadster]

I used one at the front driver side and rear passenger side, really helped to tilt the motor down into the cavity

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?34952-25th-MKIV-9772-Build-NOR*CAL-at-the-bodyshop&p=510561&viewfull=1#post510561

[JohnK]

Aside from being very bulky, Mike's lift brackets will not allow you to install the DS header while the engine is still hanging on the lift, which is slightly easier then installing it after it's sitting on the engine mounts.

[Junbug]

I used one at the front driver side and rear passenger side, really helped to tilt the motor down into the cavity

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?34952-25th-MKIV-9772-Build-NOR*CAL-at-the-bodyshop&p=510561&viewfull=1#post510561

Toadster,
From those lift points, Were you able to get the headers on while the engine was still hanging from the hoist (a few inches above the engine mounts)? I hear it’s somewhat easier to install/tighten the headers while it’s in the air. Also what type of lift point brackets did you use?
Thanks,
-Bryan

[i.e.427]

Find someone who has a leftover set of the Factory 5 engine lift brackets. I've used them for every Coyote build we've done and they worked out perfect. We install headers after the engine is in place (with locking hardware from Stage 8) and have never not been able to get the headers installed.


20 minute, solo engine install.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbae-8x8kY&t=1156s

[i.e.427]

Having the right style engine hoist helps a lot too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXiTExPWE8&t=8s

[Junbug]

Find someone who has a leftover set of the Factory 5 engine lift brackets. I've used them for every Coyote build we've done and they worked out perfect. We install headers after the engine is in place (with locking hardware from Stage 8) and have never not been able to get the headers installed.


20 minute, solo engine install.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbae-8x8kY&t=1156s

You sure make dropping that engine in look easy Frank!
Thanks,
-Bryan

[toadster]

Toadster,
From those lift points, Were you able to get the headers on while the engine was still hanging from the hoist (a few inches above the engine mounts)? I hear it’s somewhat easier to install/tighten the headers while it’s in the air. Also what type of lift point brackets did you use?
Thanks,
-Bryan

while I didn't do the header install in the air, it could be done, the mount spots are away from the headers - wouldn't be an issue IMHO

[k-roy]

This is what I used.

https://tomsoffroad.com/parts/coyote-5.0l-engine-hoist-brackets?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_tCJgYrLgAMVUCzUAR0UDQf REAQYAiABEgLA8vD_BwE

Connected them to the Driver side front, and passenger rear. Installed the headers with the engine 2-3 inches above the mounts (don't remember exactly)

[JohnK]

Here's my revised opinion on header installation on a coyote, having had the "pleasure" of doing it multiple times now. At the time I installed the engine I followed the recommendation to install the DS header with the engine dangling slightly above its final resting place. I agree that this is perhaps slightly easier than trying to install it with the engine on its mounts and the car on the ground. But stuffing yourself under a car with the engine hanging on the hoist is, well.... a little sketchy to say the least and not something I would repeat.

Later I had to remove the original headers and replace them with new headers (with Stage8 locking fasteners), which I was able to do on my lift. Access to the DS header with the car on the lift is infinitely better than with the car on the ground, and DS header removal/installation, while tight, was definitely doable. The benefit of doing it this way is that you don't have hundreds of pounds hanging over you, suspended by a janky Harbor Freight leveler, ready to kill you. So if you have a lift I would say to save the hassle of trying to install the DS header with the engine hanging on the hoist and just do it after engine install on the lift. If you don't have a lift and will have to do the header install with the car on the ground or on jack stands then it might be slightly easier to install the DS header with the engine hanging on the hoist.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=188446&d=1691429280

[toadster]

honestly the driver side bolts weren't as hard as expected, used the Stage 8 (8914) 1.25" Thread Pitch Bolt Kit for Ford Coyote 5.0 (https://amzn.to/3YoBIm4) like JohnK did as well
once you're under the car with the engine on the mounts, you get creative with several wrenches and they go in really nicely

[Junbug]

JohnK and Toadster,
Thanks for sharing your experience and tips. I don't have a lift, so it looks like I'll be wrestling the DS header while under the car/hoist/engine... Regarding the Stage 8 locking bolt kits, my searching has led me to two different type, 10MM x 1.25" and 10MM x 1.50". It appears Toadster used the 10mm x 1.25" based on the link above, did you install a Gen3 Coyote? JohnK I know your engine is a Gen2 Coyote, did you use the 1.25" or 1.50" kit?
Thanks,
-Bryan

[JohnK]

The Gen2 coyotes used both M10 x 1.25" and 1.5" over the course of their life. Mine was 1.25". I have no idea what's on the gen3's. You should definitely verify using one of the factory exhaust studs on your engine.

[toadster]

yes mine is a Gen3 with the 1.25 thread pitch, they're on sale now for $49 which is a great deal - once you mount them, run a few heat cycles then put the clips on and they won't back out
they have great customer service as well

[M22_COBRA]

Are the clips a PITA to remove once they set in? Just in the event you crack a header. Long term I'm sure its better than having to nut and bolt them every month.
I have some other work applications this may work for also....Thanks!

[toadster]

haven't heard of any cracked coyote headers, but they're removable :)