MK4 Serpentine Pulley and Water Pump Question

[dherrenbruck]

I should be receiving my MK4 in a couple of months. It’s a complete order with a 331 Stroker, Tremec TKX trans and IRS. Currently waiting on machine shop to complete machining my 91 302 roller. Lower end will include an internal balanced rolling assembly and mild street cam capable of 2,000 to 6,000 RPM. It’ll be topped off with aluminum heads, intake and Holley sniper 4150, Hydrospark ignition and intank fuel pump. I’m currently shopping serpentine pulley systems and can’t get over the amount of conversions from the online suppliers regarding ordering the right setup because of the tight fit of the engine inside the roadster. Plus trying to understand the difference between standard and reverse water pumps.

So here’s my question after searching our forum for the answer. Since I’ve got to order timing cover, water pump, harmonic balancer, alternator and power steering pump and even the right style thermostat housing can someone help simplify this process for me and tell me what you are using with your 302 SBF? I’m thinking polished billet. Don’t want to spend a fortune (however I have to laugh as most if you are since I blew thru my budget months ago), but don’t want to go cheap on the item either. I’ve looked at March and several others online.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Thanks
David Herrenbruck
Evansville, IN

[Papa]

I would recommend you look at some of the accessory drive setups from March. They aren't cheap, but they are very high quality and look fantastic.

https://marchperformance.com/ford/ford-small-block-289-302-531-windsor.html

This what BPE installed on my 347.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=84631&d=1524424334

I think this is the kit: https://marchperformance.com/ford/ford-small-block-289-302-531-windsor/pulley-and-bracket-kits.html/ford-289-302-351w-deluxe-30100-c.html

[runamuk]

I went with CVFracing.com for my front drive system. I'm only running a water pump and alternator, no power steering pump. As far as the water pump rotation goes, stay with the standard, the reverse flow has the water pump exit on the right side.

[dherrenbruck]

I would recommend you look at some of the accessory drive setups from March. They aren't cheap, but they are very high quality and look fantastic.

https://marchperformance.com/ford/ford-small-block-289-302-531-windsor.html

This what BPE installed on my 347.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=84631&d=1524424334

I think this is the kit: https://marchperformance.com/ford/ford-small-block-289-302-531-windsor/pulley-and-bracket-kits.html/ford-289-302-351w-deluxe-30100-c.html

Papa, this is the one I’ve been considering. I like the fact it’s one belt and because of that it’s apparent to me I need to run a reverse water pump exiting on the drivers side.

[dherrenbruck]

I went with CVFracing.com for my front drive system. I'm only running a water pump and alternator, no power steering pump. As far as the water pump rotation goes, stay with the standard, the reverse flow has the water pump exit on the right side.

Runamuk, thanks for the reply. I’ve looked at CVF Racing along with March. In the March photos I see the reverse pump exiting on the drivers side. Another question I haven’t confirmed yet but was assuming the radiator that comes with the kit has the lower radiator hose connecting on the drivers side. Is that correct? Thanks for tour help. David

[rich grsc]

I went with CVFracing.com for my front drive system. I'm only running a water pump and alternator, no power steering pump. As far as the water pump rotation goes, stay with the standard, the reverse flow has the water pump exit on the right side.
Sorry that is not correct. Reverse rotation pumps are used if you are using a serpentine belt setup, if you plan on using a V-belt setup, then you use a standard rotation pump. Standard rotation, turns the same direction as the crank, reverse, of course turns opposite of the crank. On a serpentine setup, the outside of the belt contacts the water pump pulley, thus spinning it in the reverse direction.

[Papa]

Runamuk, thanks for the reply. I’ve looked at CVF Racing along with March. In the March photos I see the reverse pump exiting on the drivers side. Another question I haven’t confirmed yet but was assuming the radiator that comes with the kit has the lower radiator hose connecting on the drivers side. Is that correct? Thanks for tour help. David

The FFR radiator lower connector is on the driver's (left) side. The inlet is on the upper-right side.

[Jeff Kleiner]

I went with CVFracing.com for my front drive system. I'm only running a water pump and alternator, no power steering pump. As far as the water pump rotation goes, stay with the standard, the reverse flow has the water pump exit on the right side.


[/B]
Sorry that is not correct. Reverse rotation pumps are used if you are using a serpentine belt setup, if you plan on using a V-belt setup, then you use a standard rotation pump. Standard rotation, turns the same direction as the crank, reverse, of course turns opposite of the crank. On a serpentine setup, the outside of the belt contacts the water pump pulley, thus spinning it in the reverse direction.

As Rich said. Water pump rotation does not dictate which side of the engine the pump outlet is on; configuration does.

David,
I've used CFR Performance pulley and bracket sets on 3 Windsor builds. They worked great and are a whole lot more reasonably priced than March and some of the others!

https://www.cfrperformance.com/collections/ford-5-0-mustang/products/1979-93-ford-mustang-5-0-billet-aluminum-serpentine-pulley-bracket-kit-machined?variant=42121792553208

Combine this with an OEM style front cover, water pump and thermostat housing for a Fox body 5.0 Mustang and you're good to go for not an outrageous amount of money .

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=186425&d=1687870706

Jeff

[runamuk]

[/B]
Sorry that is not correct. Reverse rotation pumps are used if you are using a serpentine belt setup, if you plan on using a V-belt setup, then you use a standard rotation pump. Standard rotation, turns the same direction as the crank, reverse, of course turns opposite of the crank. On a serpentine setup, the outside of the belt contacts the water pump pulley, thus spinning it in the reverse direction.

Thanks for the info, I will update my notes

[dherrenbruck]

Jeff, interesting. I had not been on CFR website. Very reasonable. I’m now rethinking my March purchase.

[Jonathan D]

As Rich said. Water pump rotation does not dictate which side of the engine the pump outlet is on; configuration does.

David,
I've used CFR Performance pulley and bracket sets on 3 Windsor builds. They worked great and are a whole lot more reasonably priced than March and some of the others!

https://www.cfrperformance.com/collections/ford-5-0-mustang/products/1979-93-ford-mustang-5-0-billet-aluminum-serpentine-pulley-bracket-kit-machined?variant=42121792553208

Combine this with an OEM style front cover, water pump and thermostat housing for a Fox body 5.0 Mustang and you're good to go for not an outrageous amount of money .

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=186425&d=1687870706

Jeff

Jeff Kleiner..sorry to bump this up from June but will this work with a mechanical fuel pump?