Color Question

[rt.collinsjr]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if there is an equivalent color in red compared to Viking Blue? What I mean is, is there a lighter shade of red like Viking is in the blue color range?
I am sure there is something that exists, but if someone knows of one, that would be helpful.

Thanks
Rich

Viking Blue

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[KDubU]

Sorry the only “lighter” red I know of is pink. Perhaps Jeff and Jeff will chime in as they likely have seen and experienced every colour.

Go Viking Blue as it is the only true colour for these cars.;)


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[Jeff Kleiner]

Reds are a whole lot different than blues. You can have darker reds:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=185465&d=1567705752

And lighter reds:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=185466&d=1628771621

and really bright reds:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=185468&d=1686147116

But at some point you cross over to pink:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=185467&d=1686146874

Jeff

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[Mike.Bray]

Some look orange when next to other reds.

[CraigS]

Especially w/ reds, I would haunt parking lots w/ lots of cars. For instance I know that a color I called orange on a 70s Nissan everyone else called red. One time I found a car at the grocery store w/ a color I liked. Of course I could read the brand but didn't know the year. I waited about 20 min for the owner to come out so I could ask what year his car was and if he remembered what the color was called.

[rich grsc]

Look at a color wheel? You could stop by any paint store and look at all the reds

[phileas_fogg]

Especially w/ reds, I would haunt parking lots w/ lots of cars. For instance I know that a color I called orange on a 70s Nissan everyone else called red. One time I found a car at the grocery store w/ a color I liked. Of course I could read the brand but didn't know the year. I waited about 20 min for the owner to come out so I could ask what year his car was and if he remembered what the color was called.

If you find a modern car with the color you like, take a picture of the VIN plate in the lower windshield. Call a local dealer for that make, give him the VIN, and he can give you the name of the color & paint code.


John

[JohnK]

Red fades more than any other color on cars. If the car you just saw in a parking lot is several years old, it's not going to be the same color you get if you try to copy that paint code.

My first new car after I graduated college was a red '92 Mustang LX 5.0. I loved that car but that paint required constant work to keep it from turning orange.

[Jeff Kleiner]

Red fades more than any other color on cars. If the car you just saw in a parking lot is several years old, it's not going to be the same color you get if you try to copy that paint code.

My first new car after I graduated college was a red '92 Mustang LX 5.0. I loved that car but that paint required constant work to keep it from turning orange.

Actually John it was oxidation (chalking) of the clear coat and not the color below. Unless you went through the clear the red base coat was not changing.

Jeff

[JohnK]

That car didn't have a clear coat so the red oxidized badly. I had to constantly use a cleaner wax to get the oxidized red off and it would be all over the rags every time I waxed so definitely not clear coat. I'm sure modern clear coats with UV barriers will slow the fading of red, but it will still fade over time.

[Mike.Bray]

I love red cars, of the 50+ cars I've owned the majority have been some shade of red. And I always found selecting a shade of red for a car maddening as it looks so different depending on lighting and circumstances.

When I was first building street rods I built a 28 Model A sedan. At the time it seemed like every other street rod was Porsche Guards Red. I thought it was a nice red but it didn't seem to "pop" to me. I knew Boyd Coddington and he pointed me to Nancy Dana in Florida who was mixing a special shade of red for street rods. It was lacquer, took about 12-15 coats to apply with wet sanding every 3 coats, and cost an astronomical $125 a gallon. My sedan required a little over 5 gallons. This red had a purple shade to it and looked so deep and rich. I've never seen a shade of red like it until recently, the new Dodge Challengers look very similar.

What was funny how all other red cars looked when parked close to mine. In a herd of 0 red cars mine was the Red one! The Porsche red cars faired the worse, they literally looked bright orange! Some owners even moved their cars away from mine lol.

Sadly the picture doesn't do it justice but here's my Nancy Dana Red Model A.
https://www.imagecoast.com/images/MichaelBray1/scan0107.jpg

[mach'er]

Color is one of those purely subjective things, where everyone has an opinion, and no one is wrong when it comes to their own preference. Unless they say something bad about red.

On a truck forum I used to frequent, my signature line included:
Race Red > Other Reds > Various Blues > Greenish, but still sorta silver > 50 Shades of Grey, metallic or whatnot > Black > White

There's a line in the movie 'Mystery Men' that I've misquoted often in order to profess my love of red. "Red is the best color, it is number 1. All other colors are number 2. Or lower."

But, light red? Um, that sounds pink. And I'd say there's nothing wrong with that (see my earlier sentence about no one being wrong when it comes to color preferences), but after seeing the picture of a pink Cobra in Jeff's post above, I'm now struggling to try and hold that line.:p

Maybe candy apple red? I've seen that in kind of a light red, without it seeming too pink.

[Jeff Kleiner]

But, light red? Um, that sounds pink. And I'd say there's nothing wrong with that (see my earlier sentence about no one being wrong when it comes to color preferences), but after seeing the picture of a pink Cobra in Jeff's post above, I'm now struggling to try and hold that line.:p



There's a good reason that car is the color that it is.

Jeff

[egchewy79]

There's a good reason that car is the color that it is.

Jeff

I'm guessing either breast cancer tribute or extreme Barbie lover.

[rt.collinsjr]

Thanks all, for your comments. I know this area is so subjective and gives a lot of builders a hard time. As I am about 6-8 months from painting, I am doing the due diligence of seeing if there is a color and/or variations that appeal to me other than red. Red is a great color that you won't get tired of and I know it is my fallback when I go through every other color in the spectrum. My latest fav is Super Nova red from Aston Martin. Viking is really nice too.

I am very partial to the classic colors.

[rt.collinsjr]

Color is one of those purely subjective things, where everyone has an opinion, and no one is wrong when it comes to their own preference. Unless they say something bad about red.

On a truck forum I used to frequent, my signature line included:
Race Red > Other Reds > Various Blues > Greenish, but still sorta silver > 50 Shades of Grey, metallic or whatnot > Black > White

There's a line in the movie 'Mystery Men' that I've misquoted often in order to profess my love of red. "Red is the best color, it is number 1. All other colors are number 2. Or lower."

But, light red? Um, that sounds pink. And I'd say there's nothing wrong with that (see my earlier sentence about no one being wrong when it comes to color preferences), but after seeing the picture of a pink Cobra in Jeff's post above, I'm now struggling to try and hold that line.:p

Maybe candy apple red? I've seen that in kind of a light red, without it seeming too pink.

No, not going pink! But yes, it would go in that direction wouldn't it.

[Steve1979]

My Roadster is painted Ford T code Candy Apply Red, which is a non-metallic darker shade of red that Ford used. This paint code came out in 1966 and has been in the Ford line up, off and on over the years. Lighter reds that Ford used were shades like Rangoon Red, Poppy Red, Aspen Red, etc.
The T code was my fall back color if my wife and I couldn’t find a blue we liked. I’ve had this color on my cars since I bought my first Mustang, a used 1966 GT K coupe a long, long time ago.

I’m surprised this site isn’t mentioned more, but I came across this years ago and it is really good for the colors automakers used. This may help you get some more ideas. You can search by the color red (which is a lot) or by manufacturer through the years.
https://paintref.com/paintref/index.shtml

Hope this helps,

[mach'er]

I'm guessing either breast cancer tribute or extreme Barbie lover.

I'll go along with your guess of breast cancer tribute, or some sort of a "in memory of" type of meaning. Sometimes there's a powerful reason behind choosing a color. I once came across a guy who had the cremated ashes of his brother mixed in with the paint on his Harley. Love, and the grieving of loss, will compel choices that not everyone will understand. There is probably something special behind it. And it's probably special enough that I should have known better than to try an emoji-annotated attempt at humor.

All I can say is, thank God I'm not running for office. This would be the least but latest of my worries.

[Mike.Bray]

Thanks all, for your comments. I know this area is so subjective and gives a lot of builders a hard time. As I am about 6-8 months from painting, I am doing the due diligence of seeing if there is a color and/or variations that appeal to me other than red. Red is a great color that you won't get tired of and I know it is my fallback when I go through every other color in the spectrum. My latest fav is Super Nova red from Aston Martin. Viking is really nice too.

I am very partial to the classic colors.

One thing I would add since you have time, do get spray outs of different colors. With these you get a more accurate idea of what the color will look like on a curved surface like a car. And with some colors what under them makes a difference. We must have done 15-20 blue spray outs and the final color we did over three different bases.

https://www.imagecoast.com/images/MichaelBray1/20230301180514mediumrotated.jpg

[Jeff Kleiner]

I'll go along with your guess of breast cancer tribute, or some sort of a "in memory of" type of meaning. Sometimes there's a powerful reason behind choosing a color. I once came across a guy who had the cremated ashes of his brother mixed in with the paint on his Harley. Love, and the grieving of loss, will compel choices that not everyone will understand. There is probably something special behind it. And it's probably special enough that I should have known better than to try an emoji-annotated attempt at humor.

All I can say is, thank God I'm not running for office. This would be the least but latest of my worries.

Reader's Digest version; the owner's daughter, Miranda Faith Kunda lost a long battle with a rare liver disease at the age of 7. Her Dad allowed her to pick the color before she passed. If you care to learn more about the story and the non-profit established in here memory search "Miranda's Carriage" on the other forum.

Jeff

Jeff

[egchewy79]

One thing I would add since you have time, do get spray outs of different colors. With these you get a more accurate idea of what the color will look like on a curved surface like a car. And with some colors what under them makes a difference. We must have done 15-20 blue spray outs and the final color we did over three different bases.

https://www.imagecoast.com/images/MichaelBray1/20230301180514mediumrotated.jpg

Mike, because if this thread, I sprayed out multiple colors over multiple primer colors only to determine that it made very little difference in the colors I choose:p

[DanQ]

Check out the Restoration Shop paints from TCPGlobal.com I have used their Acrylic Urethane paint and had great results. I love all reds, as long as they don't get near what I call the "tomato soup" reds, and take on an orange hue in the day, and actually look brown at night. My last project was a Jeep CJ that I painted "Viper Red" and was truly the purest red I have ever seen.

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[Bob Brandle]

Though Porsche paint colors & cars, this source, Color RS Beta, a Porsche Colors Library, is wonderful to see and explore numerous different exterior paint colors and them on actual cars. But, as usual, it's really difficult to really know what a paint really looks like via images online. So many factors alter colors.

https://www.colors.rs/colors

[RBachman]

Search under "magenta" colors.

[J R Jones]

Rich, I was looking for a silver color that simulated aluminum. I asked my paint shop and they gave me a ring of silver color samples to pick from. Those rings or an equivalent exist for all colors and the difference from shade to shade is subtle.
Your question on blue suggests not a color variation as much as color density. Imagine or actually mix paint for direction:
Mix a base blue with white and it gets less dense (lighter)
Mix the base blue with black and it gets more dense (darker)
On either side of blue on a color wheel:
Mix the base blue with red and it gets purple
Mix the base blue with green and it gets turquoise
You can do the same exercise with red and the color wheel.

In the design industry it is acknowledged that an Orange-like red is preferred by men. A purple-like red is prefered by women.
This 1969/70 Mustang "Calypso Coral" is unusual and definitely masculine:
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jim

[rt.collinsjr]

Though Porsche paint colors & cars, this source, Color RS Beta, a Porsche Colors Library, is wonderful to see and explore numerous different exterior paint colors and them on actual cars. But, as usual, it's really difficult to really know what a paint really looks like via images online. So many factors alter colors.

https://www.colors.rs/colors

Thanks, Bob - cool website...

[rt.collinsjr]

Rich, I was looking for a silver color that simulated aluminum. I asked my paint shop and they gave me a ring of silver color samples to pick from. Those rings or an equivalent exist for all colors and the difference from shade to shade is subtle.
Your question on blue suggests not a color variation as much as color density. Imagine or actually mix paint for direction:
Mix a base blue with white and it gets less dense (lighter)
Mix the base blue with black and it gets more dense (darker)
On either side of blue on a color wheel:
Mix the base blue with red and it gets purple
Mix the base blue with green and it gets turquoise
You can do the same exercise with red and the color wheel.

In the design industry it is acknowledged that an Orange-like red is preferred by men. A purple-like red is prefered by women.
This 1969/70 Mustang "Calypso Coral" is unusual and definitely masculine:
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jim


Thanks,JR

[toadster]

another awesome site is https://rennbow.org/porsche-colors

[Mike.Bray]

[QUOTE=JIn the design industry it is acknowledged that an Orange-like red is preferred by men. A purple-like red is prefered by women.[/QUOTE]

My wife hates orange and I love the purple-like reds. What does that mean?

[rich grsc]

My wife hates orange and I love the purple-like reds. What does that mean?
Something else that's bs from?

[J R Jones]

My wife hates orange and I love the purple-like reds. What does that mean?

Mike, That information came to me working in Development with Harley Davidson's styling department. I have worked with other styling departments including Brooks Stevens.
I am not a color or styling guy, and I am not a shrink, so I can not explain your preferences.
The HD Styling VP also told me that color popularities move through various industries, but the origin is often (ladies) lingerie. No need to be insecure about color.
jim

[Steve1979]

When you find that color that’s just right for you, be aware that you should find out what the paint code is and see if you can find it in different pictures online. And keep in mind that digitized pictures and different digital cameras can make a color look different between pictures.
What I mean by a paint code is this. From a response above, Calypso Red is the same color as Poppy Red that Ford used from 1964 to 1967. The paint code for Poppy and Calypso Red was also known as Competition Red, Competition Orange, Medium Coral and several other names in the Ford and Mercury line up for about a decade. It’s all marketing and sales to find a name with the right buzz word for what they think people want to hear and buy during that particular time period.

Best,

[gbranham]

I remember this young lady well, and remember crying while reading the post that she had passed away. I never saw the finished car. This brings back lots of memories.


Reader's Digest version; the owner's daughter, Miranda Faith Kunda lost a long battle with a rare liver disease at the age of 7. Her Dad allowed her to pick the color before she passed. If you care to learn more about the story and the non-profit established in here memory search "Miranda's Carriage" on the other forum.

Jeff

Jeff

[cv2065]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if there is an equivalent color in red compared to Viking Blue? What I mean is, is there a lighter shade of red like Viking is in the blue color range?
I am sure there is something that exists, but if someone knows of one, that would be helpful.

Thanks
Rich

Viking Blue

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Lighter red might take it into another direction. But if you are looking for a red that is closer to the blue spectrum, take a look at Porsche Carmine Red. Deep and bright in the day but doesn't turn orange at night.

[Madfor67]

The best thing that helped me pick out my color was to check out cars in the parking lots or car dealerships. Color on the actual car with curves and creases under the sun or in the shade looks so much different from looking at color swatches or online images. For me, Toyota Rav4 and Toyota Tacoma's blue pearl colors stuck out to me the most on the street. Went with Toyota Rav4's electric storm blue.

For the red color, Mazda's Soul Red Crystal is absolutely stunning in the sun. New technology in paint is helping regular paints look like expensive candy chrome paint. Check out the article below:

https://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/the-mazda-way/design/soul-red-crystal/

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[Jeff Kleiner]

Mazda's Soul Red Crystal is absolutely stunning in the sun. New technology in paint is helping regular paints look like expensive candy chrome paint.



FYI, Mazda's Soul Red and others like it...Ford Ruby Red for example...are NOT "regular paints" and in fact actually ARE candys. Base color+tinted mid-coat+clear top coat=candy

I use some custom mix formulas that create a candy effect with every bit as much "fire" using a base/clear process (but they ain't cheap ;))

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=154667&d=1634839469

Cheers,
Jeff

[hineas]

I second Jeff's statement. We just painted ours a standard base-clear version of the Mazda Soul Red without the tinted mid coat. Although the color is the same, it doesn't have the depth and flare as the actual color when in the sun.

Our color is still amazing, but it doesn't have the candy feel to it.

[Madfor67]

I see. Learn new things every day! Although not as intense as the Mazda soul red's fire, my electric storm blue has a pretty significant "fire/pop" and it's a base+clear "regular" paint. Anyways, thanks for the info Jeff!


FYI, Mazda's Soul Red and others like it...Ford Ruby Red for example...are NOT "regular paints" and in fact actually ARE candys. Base color+tinted mid-coat+clear top coat=candy


Cheers,
Jeff

[j.miller]

Sooooo, a little late to the party but I get what you're asking. When it comes to "reds" they run the spectrum of orange red (lighter) to violet reds (darker, what I call "blue and bloody") Comparing a Chevy Torch Red to a Ford Vermillion Red would be a good example with Coca Cola Red being the median. It really depends on your idea of red...da Bat