PDA

View Full Version : Month 1 Observations from a Newbie



Gizmosrcool
04-24-2023, 08:07 PM
Hey Everyone

The month has zipped by and work progressing bit by bit. A few observations.

Appreciation. All I can say is “wow” and Thank You. Looking back at many years of watching the forum site, wanting to do something, I fully appreciate all the folks who pitch in and help. This community makes it possible. It would be much harder, or even impossible, without the support of everyone. At least for me.

Build it your own way. I seem to spend too much time on very small things. Most items no one will see. And that is ok with me. I am learning and go slow to be sure I don’t mess up too many parts and I want to be sure I really like what I am turning out. Right now its getting the hang of it and gaining experience.

Build School. I did not attend. I had too many escuses. If I could do it again. I would.

Go with the flow. My lower control arms front mount were different from side to side. The same with the rears. Two required using washers as spacers. The manual says no spacer. I did not want pull the tab in that much and had to improvise. One spacer I had a hard time finding in the correct thickness. That means the M16-20-110mm bolt is too short. No 120mm locally. Oh well. Order online. Bolt in and move on. Just took extra time.

Honor mistakes. This is all new and I am prone to mistakes. Especially at the beginning. If I goofed up, I need to decide to accept it, or do it over. Right now I am going with the flow and making it my own and I fret on making it right. So I do it over. Even through it makes me feel like I am not moving along too fast.

Learning New Stuff. I am learning something almost every day or each time in the garage along with improving some type of skill. It is funny what pops in my head that came from a build thread and I remember and use it.

Fasteners. I find my local Ace much better than Lowe’s or Home Depot. I learned to get extras and also buy a few sizes up and down and build up stock. I have ordered from boltdepot.com, boltsandnuts.com, and McMaster.com. I am building a fastener inventory with every week that goes by.

Prep time. Some work takes extra prep time. The IRS is an example. Prepping the components, painting the diff, rear lug nuts, all done before popping in the diff and hanging the suspension. The same with the front. Trimming the adjusters took 5X more time than putting in the upper control arms.

Manual. Read the manual over and over and over and over and over and over.... The read it some more.

Nothing is dumb. Ask any question. We all have different levels of experience. Learn from the community.

I have a few favorite tools.


Rockwell Jawhorse. I have had for a few years and it is awesome. It is a 2nd pair of hands and is a work bench, vice, and press all in one.
Drill press. Drilling panels and helping to square up drilling.
Hydraulic press. Lug nuts and anything needing a squeeze
Digital caliper. Minimum 0-6”. Maybe a 10-12” one. I use the small caliper a lot
Bench belt and disc sander. Very handy and I use a lot. More than I thought when originally purchased
Right angle grinder with sanding disc. Great for tuning on panels


I am enjoying the experience and I like the time doing something different than my 9-5. I typically get off work and some days I am in the garage an hour or 2. Some days none. Other days I am searching for a fastener or trying to figure something out. The weekends I get a few more hours in unless we have the grandkids over.

Tom

CraigS
04-25-2023, 06:58 AM
Yep, you are having a blast w/ a great attitude. I agree, ACE or TrueValue are much better than L or HD. I have had a manual dial caliper since about 1975. Dang thing cost almost a weeks take home pay at the time. I work on cars in the garage and guns in the basement. Got real tired of running for that caliper and saw a digital one at HD for maybe $39. Cheap in todays $s so grabbed it. Man this is nice. I especially like being able to push a button and flip from domestic to metric scale. On your next McMaster order ad one of these, the 13" size.
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/charts/reference-charts-3/
I find it really handy to be able to check things like is a 16mm close to a 5/8"? Also when looking for washers at Ace don't skip over the metric stuff. I often use metric w/ a fractional bolt. I will grab a bolt from a bin and start opening metric washer boxes to check fit.

Gizmosrcool
04-25-2023, 10:46 AM
Craig. I found something similar on Amazon. Several gauges that help figure out bolt and drill bit sizes. Those have been helpful. I'll take a look at the reference charts. Thanks. Tom

jrohrig
04-25-2023, 01:37 PM
Thanks for the update and for sharing your experiences. Taking it all in right now

Avalanche325
04-25-2023, 03:25 PM
I think I put grooves in the road from my house to Ace hardware.

Gizmosrcool
04-25-2023, 08:17 PM
Yup. I have a need for two bolts. Off to Ace tomorrow.

Opps. Almost forgot my trusty Dremel. Which I love. Only problem is I go through a lot of consumables because everything is small. I found HF has pretty good deals on consumables.

nucjd19
04-25-2023, 08:27 PM
yep... Ace was my friend through my build. Agree with CraigS about the digital calipers. They were crucial. I wish I would have had that chart. I might buy it now for a general reference.

Nigel Allen
04-25-2023, 10:22 PM
yep... Ace was my friend through my build. Agree with CraigS about the digital calipers. They were crucial. I wish I would have had that chart. I might buy it now for a general reference.

Here is a conversion chart I made into a PDF some time ago. I printed and laminated it in time for receiving my Roadster. Use it quite a bit.

183559

Cheers,

Nige

CraigS
04-26-2023, 08:01 AM
Really nicely done Nigel. I can't imagine the time you spent to create that. I have my chart hanging on a screw on the inside of the wall cabinet door where my drill bits are kept. It is at least 15 yrs old and I still use it a couple times a month. One other thing I discovered last year was AN bolts. I had a need for a bolt to fit in a sleeve tightly. I wanted to use a nylock nut so I could tighten to set end play but not actually tighten it to the sleeve so it could rotate. I found that a standard 1/2 bolt is actually .005" to .008" undersize. It worked but I could hear a rattle from my custom shock mount. I ordered an AN bolt (yes very expensive) but it is only .002" undersized. Rattle gone. One other thing about AN is the shorter threaded length. If you want to have no threads in the clamping area you buy a standard bolt and then have to cut half the threads off. AN bolts usually no cutting needed.

Mike.Bray
04-26-2023, 01:29 PM
I started my career as a machinist and later moved to the fabrication department in a large manufacturing company. I was there when the first NC machines were coming out and later when CNC machines came out. All of this was really interesting work and great training for my second career as an engineer. Being an American based company everything we did was Imperial so I was able to learn all of my decimal equivalents and things like tap drill sizes.

Twenty five years ago I moved to an Australian based company who naturally do everything in metric. I had already had some exposure to metrics but now I was thrown into the deep end. Looking back I am so thankful I didn't have to go from metric to Imperial. Metric is so simple compared to Imperial!

An M6 SHCS takes an M5 Allen wrench. An M6 button head screw takes an M4 Allen wrench. M10 sockets magically go missing.

A metric bolt will be designated like M6 x 1.0 which is 6mm diameter and 1mm pitch.

Here's the really cool part, the tap drill size for an M6 is 5mm (dia- pitch).

I only wish Imperial was that simple so I could free up some brain space lol

J R Jones
04-26-2023, 02:42 PM
For decades I have been wearing out the Starrett 3 X 5 INCH/METRIC TAP DRILL SIZES & DECIMAL EQUIVALENT cards. I have them salted in all my tool boxes.
Long ago at Chrysler I had an old engineer Tony Secola ask me for my "Helios". WT? That was a vernier caliper manufacturer. By then Mitutoyo dial calipers were standard issue. I have several. Actually I prefer the dial which displays a range rather than a digital absolute, and batteries are not an issue (like my welding helmet) (ouch). I took to metric fasteners willingly after experiencing them on Japanese vehicles. Their attention to detail results in perfect size, length and strength. Compared to 50s/60s cars Japanese metric fasteners are smaller and more numerous, which I like.
jim

Mike.Bray
04-26-2023, 04:01 PM
I still have a pair of Helios! Gosh, I haven't thought about them in decades.

nucjd19
04-26-2023, 04:23 PM
Here is a conversion chart I made into a PDF some time ago. I printed and laminated it in time for receiving my Roadster. Use it quite a bit.

183559

Cheers,

Nige

Nigel.... DUDE!!!!! You are just the best. Thank you!