Florida registration

[Falcondriver]

Anyone completed a recent Florida registration? I am assuming I need to fill out the Application for Certificate of Title. Under Brands and Usage there are boxes for Kit Car and Replica. Which one do I choose? I am in Lake County. Any help is appreciated.

[65 Cobra Dude]

FD,

Dave Smith just filled out the paperwork to be listed on sunbiz.org. Once listed there, we should be able to title as 1965 Factory Five Replica. He sent it in to FL last Thurs and I am checking a couple of times a day to see when they are listed. I have a car ready to title and will try again once they are listed. If you are impatient, you can go the assembled from parts (ASPT) process which requires a weight slip, inspection, insurance and is typically a time consuming process but it works. If you go that route, it will be titled as the year on your COO with an ASPT type. I did my Coupe that way and sold it to a guy in Missouri who was able to title it as a 2020. I would wait if I were you and I will report back to the forum once the process is fixed.

Some have been lucky going into tag office and getting it titled now, but not many. You can try by acting dumb and bringing in your COO, receipt from FFR and receipts for engine and tranny to show if you paid the taxes or not. If you try this, only use the word replica. Don't use kit car because it raises some flags.

Henry

[Falcondriver]

Thanks, not in a hurry but like to get familiar with the process.

[MB750]

FD,

Dave Smith just filled out the paperwork to be listed on sunbiz.org. Once listed there, we should be able to title as 1965 Factory Five Replica. He sent it in to FL last Thurs and I am checking a couple of times a day to see when they are listed. I have a car ready to title and will try again once they are listed. If you are impatient, you can go the assembled from parts (ASPT) process which requires a weight slip, inspection, insurance and is typically a time consuming process but it works. If you go that route, it will be titled as the year on your COO with an ASPT type. I did my Coupe that way and sold it to a guy in Missouri who was able to title it as a 2020. I would wait if I were you and I will report back to the forum once the process is fixed.

Some have been lucky going into tag office and getting it titled now, but not many. You can try by acting dumb and bringing in your COO, receipt from FFR and receipts for engine and tranny to show if you paid the taxes or not. If you try this, only use the word replica. Don't use kit car because it raises some flags.

Henry

That is some awesome news! Back a few months ago while I was waiting for my kit I did some research in this regard. I found this:

https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/manufacturer/details/21481

But they still weren't listed with Sunbiz. Fortunately I'm not going to need registration til sometime in hurricane season.

[runamuk]

I went to the DMV office in Margate, FL (954) 969-4216 and they gave me a package to complete with a checklist. The checklist lets me know which forms are required, what Fees are charged, what order they want the forms in and even what size envelope to put everything into to mail or drop in the box at the office. I would recommend talking to someone at your local DMV, tell them what you're doing and see if they can steer you in the right direction. Please keep in mind that the majority of people that these offices deal with are disgruntled, nobody likes the DMV, but be kind and patient, ask nicely and you can usually get some good info from them.

[65 Cobra Dude]

Good info Runamuk. I believe that’s the assembled from parts process which works but makes it the year on your COO. It works but many would rather have it titled aa the year it replicates. I’ve gone through the original process which was a 1965 and the ASPT process and prefer the 1965 replica on my title which is where this should end up. I’ve been checking www.sunbiz.org multiple times a day just waiting for Factory Five to show up. I’ll report back when it is done. The other issue with FL is lack of consistency between counties, tag offices and individuals working there. Once the replica process is fixed, it needs to be consistent across the state!

Henry

[wallace18]

Good info Runamuk. I believe that’s the assembled from parts process which works but makes it the year on your COO. It works but many would rather have it titled aa the year it replicates. I’ve gone through the original process which was a 1965 and the ASPT process and prefer the 1965 replica on my title which is where this should end up. I’ve been checking www.sunbiz.org multiple times a day just waiting for Factory Five to show up. I’ll report back when it is done. The other issue with FL is lack of consistency between counties, tag offices and individuals working there. Once the replica process is fixed, it needs to be consistent across the state!

Henry

Amen to consistent across the state! No 2 reginal DMV's treat titles the same. It is a shame how the DMV are operated. IMO.:mad:

[DonS]

Falcondriver, what are you building? I'm in Sumter county. I've got a 35 extended cab truck on oreder. Supposed to be ready to ship April 8, if everything goes as planned. Currently collecting parts and pieces, can't wait to get started. DonS

[mburger]

I wonder after FFR is added to the Sunbiz database, if I would be able to re-register as a 1965 replica.
My Mk1 is an assembled from part’s registration because it was brought into the state already registered as such.
I’m asking a lot, but once the database is updated, I’m going to ask.

[MB750]

I don't know the answer, but what would it hurt to go to the DMV and try it?

My suggestion, don't ask, just pursue it. Have all the paperwork done on your end like it's a new registration. It might work, you also might get socked with the full tax bill again though.

[Falcondriver]

I'm building a MK4 roadster, 427 Holly Sniper EFI, IRS, Wilwood all around and 17" Halibrand from Factory Five.

[65 Cobra Dude]

FD, I’m building virtually the same car for a guy in Orlando. Motor is going in this weekend.

Henry

[MB750]

One thing i'm slightly worried about at the DMV is taxes. Most people have to pay taxes on the car itself, and the powertrain. Well, for all intents and purposes I built my powertrain out of pieces I mostly paid the tax on already. I'm not really sure what they're gonna do for me in that regard.

[runamuk]

One thing i'm slightly worried about at the DMV is taxes. Most people have to pay taxes on the car itself, and the powertrain. Well, for all intents and purposes I built my powertrain out of pieces I mostly paid the tax on already. I'm not really sure what they're gonna do for me in that regard.

I'm doing the same thing. The paperwork says to include receipts for the "major components" (not sure the actual wording, but this is what they are wanting). I am going to give them the invoice from Factory Five and the invoice from Mike Forte for the transmission along with the receipts for the block I bought, heads and rotating assy.

[Mustang Man]

I've titled several hot rods (non-FFR over the years and am responsible for the original "how to register in FL" post on ffcars.com. The ASPT process receipts and serial numbers must be for engine, trans, frame, and body. That's all they care about. You don't need to bring a receipt or show a serial number for your rear end, suspension, etc. The couple of hot rods I did we ended up having tags made at an engraver to install on the engine and trans (crate engines/trans).

Now, as for registering an FFR, it used to be easy with the SEMA replica titling law (mine is titled as a 65 FFR) but then things changed and you had to be a manufacturer in the state. David is in the final steps of getting this done so we can finally go back to "year it represents/replicates" on the title and the manufacturer will be listed as "FFR" or "Factory Five" depending upon how they register and available room on the title line.

HTH!
Mark

[MB750]

I've titled several hot rods (non-FFR over the years and am responsible for the original "how to register in FL" post on ffcars.com. The ASPT process receipts and serial numbers must be for engine, trans, frame, and body. That's all they care about. You don't need to bring a receipt or show a serial number for your rear end, suspension, etc. The couple of hot rods I did we ended up having tags made at an engraver to install on the engine and trans (crate engines/trans).

Now, as for registering an FFR, it used to be easy with the SEMA replica titling law (mine is titled as a 65 FFR) but then things changed and you had to be a manufacturer in the state. David is in the final steps of getting this done so we can finally go back to "year it represents/replicates" on the title and the manufacturer will be listed as "FFR" or "Factory Five" depending upon how they register and available room on the title line.

HTH!
Mark

Thank you, but quick comment. My engine doesn't have a serial number. Nor does my trans. I've got the trans tag still on it, but it doesn't have a serial number. Am I boned?

[mburger]

I've titled several hot rods (non-FFR over the years and am responsible for the original "how to register in FL" post on ffcars.com. The ASPT process receipts and serial numbers must be for engine, trans, frame, and body. That's all they care about. You don't need to bring a receipt or show a serial number for your rear end, suspension, etc. The couple of hot rods I did we ended up having tags made at an engraver to install on the engine and trans (crate engines/trans).

Now, as for registering an FFR, it used to be easy with the SEMA replica titling law (mine is titled as a 65 FFR) but then things changed and you had to be a manufacturer in the state. David is in the final steps of getting this done so we can finally go back to "year it represents/replicates" on the title and the manufacturer will be listed as "FFR" or "Factory Five" depending upon how they register and available room on the title line.

HTH!
Mark

Henry, 65 Cobra Dude, has been working closely with Dave Smith on getting FFR into the Florida Sunbiz database for a long time now. I know Henry is checking frequently and is going to let us know once FFR has been registered.

[Mustang Man]

MB750, if you're going to go ASPT route yes, your engine and trans will need something, either a vehicle VIN on it, or some sort of stamping or bolt on tag with an ID number that matches paperwork.

[MB750]

MB750, if you're going to go ASPT route yes, your engine and trans will need something, either a vehicle VIN on it, or some sort of stamping or bolt on tag with an ID number that matches paperwork.

I'm not going ASPT, at least not planning on it anyway. Once Sunbiz is accepted I see no reason I can't register as a replica kit under TL-48 (https://www.flhsmv.gov/pdf/proc/tl/tl-48.pdf).

My whole powertrain has been collected over the last year as parts from various locations, but mostly Craigslist. Technically, no I did not pay tax on any of it. I'd be happy to slap a dollar amount on a piece of paper saying what it's worth, but if they're expecting me to "toe the line" by providing an invoice for my powertrain they're sorely mistaken. I can slap down a couple dozen receipts from building the engine though.

I can't be the first person to try going TL-48 who didn't buy a canned powertrain. FFR's entire philosophy is based on going with a used powertrain. Blueprint (et al.) sourcing is a more recent luxury for people who want their whole kit to be actually "complete".

[Hacksaw84]

My car is a 2021 Assembled from Parts Roadster it was actually pretty easy and no "real" inspection. However, like everyone else's suggestion I would wait. One of the annoying things about my title is that insurance is almost 2x.

[deanjr1]

Has anyone been able to find Factory Five on sunbiz yet? I've been looking with no luck. Just wanted to make sure I was searching correctly.
Thanks

[65 Cobra Dude]

I check multiple times a day too. I spoke to Dave this past Friday. They did their part about 3 weeks ago and it’s in the FL gov’t hands. He said be patient and he is confident this whole thing will be history soon.

Henry

[65 Cobra Dude]

Factory Five Racing is now on sunbiz.org. Wahooooo! I have an appointment at 1030 tomorrow morning to try out the new process! I’ll report back here soon!

Henry

[MB750]

Factory Five Racing is now on sunbiz.org. Wahooooo! I have an appointment at 1030 tomorrow morning to try out the new process! I’ll report back here soon!

Henry

Awesome! Thanks for being the guinea pig on this.

In case anyone needs the info:

https://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=ZipCode&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=FACTORYFIVERACING%20F230000013290&aggregateId=forp-f23000001329-e942d153-6d7e-445c-be35-182d40f2c6ea&searchTerm=02571&listNameOrder=AFFILIATEDPROFESSIONALSERVICES%20M21 0000011170

[deanjr1]

Yes Thank you and Good luck!

[65 Cobra Dude]

Ok, so I went today and was denied again. FFR is indeed on Sunbiz.org but the particular director was trying to persuade me to go ASPT. I kept my cool and was there for an hour and she definitely knows I’m looking for a replica title. She saw in the fine print on the MSO that said kitcar which follows the ASPT process. Believe me I tried every angle but she wouldn’t budge. She went as far as to physically highlight kit on my mso which ticked me off!

I’m still fighting but if I was one of the readers here, I would try your local tax collector and maybe you’ll get lucky. Just don’t say the word kitcar and stay with replica. FFR is definitely on sunbiz and NHTSA so they’ve done their part.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but please go try and let us know how you make out.

Henry

[Kbl7td]

I’ve said this before on another thread, go to a third party “dmv”. They don’t care, you’ll pay a little more but that’s it. Everyone needs to stop going to official DMVs when you have these types of cars, it’s a pain in the ***.

[mburger]

I’ve said this before on another thread, go to a third party “dmv”. They don’t care, you’ll pay a little more but that’s it. Everyone needs to stop going to official DMVs when you have these types of cars, it’s a pain in the ***.

PM me if you need to, but what do you mean by third party?
Serious question.

[Kbl7td]

PM me if you need to, but what do you mean by third party?
Serious question.

Down in south Florida we have places that will be labeled “tag and title” or something of the sort. They are third party offices that use the same system as the DMV. The difference is they just want the appropriate information and aren’t looking for any reason to deny you. So let’s say you need to bring MSO, insurance, etc. they’ll look to see if you have that information and then plug it into the computer. Whereas the DMV will look at that same information and then scrutinize down to a dotted I or crossed T. I swear I went to 3 different official DMV offices when I registered my SLC before I finally went to a 3rd party place. I was out the door in a few minutes and had plates the same day, title by mail from the state in a couple days. Hell, I had plates and title before I even pulled parts out of boxes or wheels on the car.

Try this place, First Lee Tag Agency
18990 S Tamiami Trail Suite 5, Fort Myers, FL 33908

[MB750]

There's a few here in Tampa, but I'm still going to try the DMV route first. Technically there should be no reason to be denied since all the boxes are checked.

Also, per the NHTSA website:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=181367&d=1678449233

[65 Cobra Dude]

Thanks Kbl, I have a 10:00 appointment with them tomorrow,

Henry

[mburger]

Down in south Florida we have places that will be labeled “tag and title” or something of the sort. They are third party offices that use the same system as the DMV. The difference is they just want the appropriate information and aren’t looking for any reason to deny you. So let’s say you need to bring MSO, insurance, etc. they’ll look to see if you have that information and then plug it into the computer. Whereas the DMV will look at that same information and then scrutinize down to a dotted I or crossed T. I swear I went to 3 different official DMV offices when I registered my SLC before I finally went to a 3rd party place. I was out the door in a few minutes and had plates the same day, title by mail from the state in a couple days. Hell, I had plates and title before I even pulled parts out of boxes or wheels on the car.

Try this place, First Lee Tag Agency
18990 S Tamiami Trail Suite 5, Fort Myers, FL 33908

Great information. Thank you!!

[Falcondriver]

Ok, so I went today and was denied again. FFR is indeed on Sunbiz.org but the particular director was trying to persuade me to go ASPT. I kept my cool and was there for an hour and she definitely knows I’m looking for a replica title. She saw in the fine print on the MSO that said kitcar which follows the ASPT process. Believe me I tried every angle but she wouldn’t budge. She went as far as to physically highlight kit on my mso which ticked me off!

I’m still fighting but if I was one of the readers here, I would try your local tax collector and maybe you’ll get lucky. Just don’t say the word kitcar and stay with replica. FFR is definitely on sunbiz and NHTSA so they’ve done their part.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but please go try and let us know how you make out.

Henry

Henry, what is the MSO? I have a Certificate of Origin from Factory Five that states 1965 Replica.

[65 Cobra Dude]

Same thing FD! Multiple names for the certificate of origin. Tomorrows a big day as I’m going tomorrow at 1000 to hopefully get it titled. I’ll report back.

Henry

[MB750]

Finger's crossed for you Henry. Good luck!

[65 Cobra Dude]

Failed again at the 3rd party DMV. They were much more helpful than the DMV and we gained an advocate versus the adversary at the DMV. Turns out FFR is not listed in the FL vehicle database and she is going to call Tallahassee on Monday to see how we can add FFR. I assumed once they were on Sunbiz (and was led to believe that) everything would be cool. Maybe it will in time but it's not there yet. I have the 3rd partie's business card and she will call me on Monday once she talks to HQ. More to come!!!

Henry

[MB750]

Geez, what a saga. Thanks for spearheading this Henry.

I suppose it's possible that vehicle manufacturer database hasn't been updated with new Sunbiz info yet?

[Kbl7td]

Failed again at the 3rd party DMV. They were much more helpful than the DMV and we gained an advocate versus the adversary at the DMV. Turns out FFR is not listed in the FL vehicle database and she is going to call Tallahassee on Monday to see how we can add FFR. I assumed once they were on Sunbiz (and was led to believe that) everything would be cool. Maybe it will in time but it's not there yet. I have the 3rd partie's business card and she will call me on Monday once she talks to HQ. More to come!!!

Henry

Glad you had a hint of success. I’m sure they will resolve it.

[65 Cobra Dude]

That’s what I’m hoping MB but not sitting idly hoping and waiting.

Thanks KBL, feels like a step in the right direction!

Henry

[MB750]

Just wanted to share something I noticed in this thread.

Per the FL DMV website there's a number of "TL" documents for registering various things.

https://www.flhsmv.gov/motor-vehicles-tags-titles/motor-vehicle-procedure-manual/
Click on Section 1 to open all the "TL" documents.

Specifically, TL-41 and TL-48 seem to apply most closely to our goals. 41 appears to be for Replica cars, 48 is for Kit cars. And if you read these documents there's some clarity that's hard to argue. TL-48 starts off by saying "Replicas are not assembled from kits..." and requires NHTSA and Sunbiz registration. TL-41 goes into MUCH more detail about being for kit cars. Specifically:

"A kit car is a motor vehicle that is assembled from a kit which comes in a box from the kit manufacturer.
Major components such as engine and transmission are taken from one or more donor vehicles."

Yea, that sounds a lot more like what we bought if you ask me.

I don't know about everyone else here, but my main beef if the year on the title. TL-41 goes into this a little, but there's some confusion:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=181577&d=1678902743

So based on what this says, even if TL-41 is followed we should still be allowed a 1965 branding as the year on the title.

[MB750]

Oh geez... If you read the "flow chart" that is TL-71, that explains why so many FFR's here in Floriduh have ASPT titles. :confused:

[MB750]

Any closure on this?

[MB750]

That’s what I’m hoping MB but not sitting idly hoping and waiting.

Thanks KBL, feels like a step in the right direction!

Henry

Henry, did you ever get your car registered in Florida? It's been a couple months since this all went around.

[65 Cobra Dude]

No but do have the assembled from parts path that works. I’m just trying to get the replica path to work again. FFR is still working with the state to get this resolved. Needless to say, it’s not happening at lightning speed to no fault of FFR.

Henry

[42Bfast]

Any new information on this for Florida? I’m nearing this point and not looking forward to the process. I may just go with a third party from the start.
Any suggestions or other advice?

[cv2065]

Any new information on this for Florida? I’m nearing this point and not looking forward to the process. I may just go with a third party from the start.
Any suggestions or other advice?

From what I was told back in May by the DMV, FFR is not pursuing a replica path in FL due to the variance in builds. Not sure how much truth there is to that, but I think it's safe to say that 'Assembled From Parts' is where it's going to land for a while. It's really not hard to register in FL under that type of registration. The inspections are super simple.

The only way I can think to work around this is to tell the DMV that the car came assembled as a roller and one just installed the engine and trans. But then again, if that were the case, one would have registered the car right at purchase just like a new one. Again, this is how the Backdraft and Superformance cars are registered as replicas and not AFP. Might still be possible though as they did ask me that during the inspection, but many of them know FFR at this point and might push back.

[42Bfast]

Thanks for the update. I appreciate the help.
I may talk to the third party folks and see what they say.

[cdurbin328]

I think it also depends on where you go and how knowledgable the staff are.
I live in Navarre, Florida which is Santa Rosa County.
Took my info to the DMV and the young lady titled mine as a 1965

[cv2065]

I think it also depends on where you go and how knowledgable the staff are.
I live in Navarre, Florida which is Santa Rosa County.
Took my info to the DMV and the young lady titled mine as a 1965

Mine was originally as well...kind of. Funny story as I thought they registered it as a 1965 Factory Five. I was in and out of the DMV in 30 minutes that day. I was like, "this was so easy.". A couple of weeks later I was just happening to check my registration online and come to find out it was registered as a 1965 Factory TRAILER. LOL. I never noticed on the registration as it simply said 1965 FACT. Was a big hassle to get fixed only to find out it had to be registered as Assembled from Parts. Hopefully you had a different experience.

[FLPBFoot]

Took my info to the DMV and the young lady titled mine as a 1965

Is it titled as "Assembled from Parts" or as a "Factory Five Replica" or "Cobra Replica"?

[Jeff's First FFR]

Just wanted to share something I noticed in this thread.

Per the FL DMV website there's a number of "TL" documents for registering various things.

https://www.flhsmv.gov/motor-vehicles-tags-titles/motor-vehicle-procedure-manual/
Click on Section 1 to open all the "TL" documents.

Specifically, TL-41 and TL-48 seem to apply most closely to our goals. 41 appears to be for Replica cars, 48 is for Kit cars. And if you read these documents there's some clarity that's hard to argue. TL-48 starts off by saying "Replicas are not assembled from kits..." and requires NHTSA and Sunbiz registration. TL-41 goes into MUCH more detail about being for kit cars. Specifically:

"A kit car is a motor vehicle that is assembled from a kit which comes in a box from the kit manufacturer.
Major components such as engine and transmission are taken from one or more donor vehicles."

Yea, that sounds a lot more like what we bought if you ask me.

I don't know about everyone else here, but my main beef if the year on the title. TL-41 goes into this a little, but there's some confusion:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=181577&d=1678902743

So based on what this says, even if TL-41 is followed we should still be allowed a 1965 branding as the year on the title.

I got mine registered before Dave Smith did his work with sunbiz. The "DMV" offices are NOT CONSISTANT. First I went to the tax collectors office and registered/titled my car as a "Replica". I almost got away with it but it was flagged by FLHSMV Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (Tallahassee) and disallowed. I then was sent to the FLHSMV office in Jacksonville and after two visits they called a guy named Mark up from the Ocala office who "knew what to do". He looked at the frame number, went away for 10 minutes then came back with the final result (in July 2020): "1965 ASPT KIT CAR".
189699
But at least I got a (ANTIQUE) plate and title. Don't know what "KIT CAR" will impact me in the future but at least it is a 1965 (year manufactured to resemble).

All in, it took me 3 months.

Hope it gets easier for you guys.
I hope that after all the dust settles with the Replica biz that I can re-title it as a Replica. But for now it's OK.

[JeffP]

I plan on moving to florida in a few years. Mine is currently titled as a 1965 factory five roadster (NC). Do most states honor the existing title or will I be starting over?

[wallace18]

I plan on moving to florida in a few years. Mine is currently titled as a 1965 factory five roadster (NC). Do most states honor the existing title or will I be starting over?

FL should accept it no problem, IMO>

[FLPBFoot]

I plan on moving to florida in a few years. Mine is currently titled as a 1965 factory five roadster (NC). Do most states honor the existing title or will I be starting over?

Moved from IL in 2021 and the IL title was 1965 FFR Cobra Replica. Florida accepted the 1965 but did not recognize FFR so they did it as Assembled From Parts. Building a second Roadster and hope by the time I'm ready to title FFR has done their magic and can go the FFR Cobra Replica route.

[mburger]

Never understood the “Assembled From Parts” thing. ALL cars are assembled from parts!

[MB750]

Never understood the “Assembled From Parts” thing. ALL cars are assembled from parts!

True, but apparently when a manufacturer is registered with the state there's a certain level of increased credibility (someone paid someone else) and the title is granted a different status.

[cv2065]

True, but apparently when a manufacturer is registered with the state there's a certain level of increased credibility (someone paid someone else) and the title is granted a different status.

Yep, that’s pretty much what it boils down to. I’m not sure what that ‘fee’ is for FL, but doesn’t seem that FFR wants to pay it and the state needs more than Sunbiz’org apparently.

[Gnzo84]

I got mine registered before Dave Smith did his work with sunbiz. The "DMV" offices are NOT CONSISTANT. First I went to the tax collectors office and registered/titled my car as a "Replica". I almost got away with it but it was flagged by FLHSMV Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (Tallahassee) and disallowed. I then was sent to the FLHSMV office in Jacksonville and after two visits they called a guy named Mark up from the Ocala office who "knew what to do". He looked at the frame number, went away for 10 minutes then came back with the final result (in July 2020): "1965 ASPT KIT CAR".
189699
But at least I got a (ANTIQUE) plate and title. Don't know what "KIT CAR" will impact me in the future but at least it is a 1965 (year manufactured to resemble).

All in, it took me 3 months.

Hope it gets easier for you guys.
I hope that after all the dust settles with the Replica biz that I can re-title it as a Replica. But for now it's OK.

Jeff's First FFR - did you get a phone number for Mark in Ocala or any DMV that understood the process? I talked to the sr. compliance inspector at the Palm Beach Regional office and he told me "FFR are not allowed to drive on Florida roads" and getting a title was "not going to happen" so ...not helpful.

He gave me the Tallahassee customer DISservice number and after waiting on hold for 30+ min first call and 1hr+ second call, the call was dropped.

So trying to get a contact for someone at a DMV office that I could talk to and help educate my local office.

[runamuk]

Go to your local DMV office, not the tax collector. I live in Fort Lauderdale and for me I had to go to Margate, FL. They gave me a packet with instructions outlining what's required as well as all of the forms I need to complete, it's a nice little checklist.

[Gnzo84]

Go to your local DMV office, not the tax collector. I live in Fort Lauderdale and for me I had to go to Margate, FL. They gave me a packet with instructions outlining what's required as well as all of the forms I need to complete, it's a nice little checklist.

Maybe I'll give the Margate office a try. Every local office Palm Beach to Indian River County are tax collectors and the guy I spoke to was at the Regional DMV office.

Did you use the TL-41 packet for "assembled from a kit"?

[Kbl7td]

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[runamuk]

Maybe I'll give the Margate office a try. Every local office Palm Beach to Indian River County are tax collectors and the guy I spoke to was at the Regional DMV office.

Did you use the TL-41 packet for "assembled from a kit"?

I have TL-48 instructions and several different for numbers. send me your Email address and I'll scan this packet and send you a copy. My email is rjgroth@comcast.net.

I like what Kbl7td says, you pay extra for their services but they do moost of the leg work and paperwork.

[runamuk]

I’ll repeat this again.

Get this form filled out. https://www.flhsmv.gov/pdf/forms/82040.pdf

Bring proof of insurance and MSO.

Go to a third party tag and title place. Do not go to an official DMV. If you local to the area I suggest this place or one similar.
https://maps.apple.com/?address=6651%20Pembroke%20Rd,%20Pembroke%20Pines, %20FL%20%2033023,%20United%20States&auid=1670111646853638303&ll=25.995643,-80.220874&lsp=9902&q=Florida%201st%20Auto%20Tags%20Titles%20%26%20Ins urance&t=m

Who inspected your car before the title was issued?

[Kbl7td]

Who inspected your car before the title was issued?
Blan

[cdurbin328]

I went to my local DMV office in Santa Rosa County. They didn't have a clue what they were doing but it went really smooth and they titled the car as a 1965.
Sounds like it varies from county to county in Florida.

[Scott Meyer]

Any recommendations for the Tampa Bay Area, specifically Pinellas County?

[65 Cobra Dude]

Cdurbin328, titled as a 1965 what? Can you share the make and model with us?

Thx?

Henry

[cv2065]

I went to my local DMV office in Santa Rosa County. They didn't have a clue what they were doing but it went really smooth and they titled the car as a 1965.
Sounds like it varies from county to county in Florida.

Might want to check what that is. Mine was listed as a 1965 Factory TRAILER! Hope your experience was different.

[Falcondriver]

I am in Lake County and it is very easy. Call the Division Of Motorist Services Field Office Region 2 in Ocala 352 512-6782. They will e mail you the instructions.
Check ASPT which is assembled from parts. Take all paperwork mentioned in the instructions including photos to their office and they will check personally that all is OK. At that time they will assign you an inspection date and time. You must appear at that time with the car. You can get a 10 day temp tag to drive it there as I did or trailer it. It must also be weighed. I got that done at the truckstop in Wildwood. The inspection is to verify that the factory five number stamped on the frame corresponds with your paperwork. They will issue the title as a 1965 vehicle. The people at Division 2 are very nice and helpful.

[cv2065]

I am in Lake County and it is very easy. Call the Division Of Motorist Services Field Office Region 2 in Ocala 352 512-6782. They will e mail you the instructions.
Check ASPT which is assembled from parts. Take all paperwork mentioned in the instructions including photos to their office and they will check personally that all is OK. At that time they will assign you an inspection date and time. You must appear at that time with the car. You can get a 10 day temp tag to drive it there as I did or trailer it. It must also be weighed. I got that done at the truckstop in Wildwood. The inspection is to verify that the factory five number stamped on the frame corresponds with your paperwork. They will issue the title as a 1965 vehicle. The people at Division 2 are very nice and helpful.

I've heard that Ocala does a great job with FFRs in the past. Unfortunately, you have to go to a DMV that is in your county of residence. You made a good note as well in regard to the FFR tag. Make sure that it is on the vehicle as if not, that will definitely place you in the ASPT column.

[Chris Wingardh]

FD,

Dave Smith just filled out the paperwork to be listed on sunbiz.org. Once listed there, we should be able to title as 1965 Factory Five Replica. He sent it in to FL last Thurs and I am checking a couple of times a day to see when they are listed. I have a car ready to title and will try again once they are listed. If you are impatient, you can go the assembled from parts (ASPT) process which requires a weight slip, inspection, insurance and is typically a time consuming process but it works. If you go that route, it will be titled as the year on your COO with an ASPT type. I did my Coupe that way and sold it to a guy in Missouri who was able to title it as a 2020. I would wait if I were you and I will report back to the forum once the process is fixed.

Some have been lucky going into tag office and getting it titled now, but not many. You can try by acting dumb and bringing in your COO, receipt from FFR and receipts for engine and tranny to show if you paid the taxes or not. If you try this, only use the word replica. Don't use kit car because it raises some flags.

Henry

Henry, will this work for my Truck?

Chris

[Gnzo84]

Quick update. Went to Region 9 office in West Palm Beach for the inspection. It seemed like it was the first time the inspector went through the process but got through it after several weeks of calls and waiting. One question I wish I asked the inspector before I trailered the car to his office was if they'd come to my house. He said he covers from Boca to Vero so could have come by for an inspection when he was in the area.

I submitted the TL41 application for "kit car" but the inspector changed it to assembled from parts title with kit car brand. My year is 2024 and he wouldnt change it to 1965 but I figured I'd get the title done and see if I can get it changed later.

[Kbl7td]

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[Gnzo84]

Guys what in the world are you inspecting. There’s no inspections in Florida. It’s a simple VIN verification to make sure the number stamped on the car matches the MSO, that’s it. You can have anyone do this that’s an official, a cop, a notary etc. I just hate to see everyone doing stuff that’s way more complicated than it should be.

The "inspection" was nothing. He didn't even look at the serial number for me. Just looked at the car, had me email him 4 pictures, and watched as I placed a VIN sticker on the frame. YMMV but I called a couple local 3rd party title offices and they said they don't do assembled from parts or kit car titles. Also talked to Kyle who said he supervises title for the south half of the state and he told me for kit car title I have to go to the regional office. So I wasn't as lucky having someone else inspect it.

[runamuk]

I'm not sure, but I think the key word to use when talking to these people is "replica". It has to do with the wording in their procedures.

[Gnzo84]

I'm not sure, but I think the key word to use when talking to these people is "replica". It has to do with the wording in their procedures.

I tried that first. Submitted "replica" application first at the local tax collector and that's when Factory Five not being registered as a manufacturer w/ the State became an issue for me. When the lady selected "replica" she said she had to pick a make from the registered manufacturers because the definition of replica is purchasing a complete operable car.

[MB750]

Guys what in the world are you inspecting. There’s no inspections in Florida. It’s a simple VIN verification to make sure the number stamped on the car matches the MSO, that’s it. You can have anyone do this that’s an official, a cop, a notary etc. I just hate to see everyone doing stuff that’s way more complicated than it should be.

Is there some specific form you used when the Notary/LEO verified your VIN? I know some notaries, and can get that part done pretty easy.

[Kbl7td]

Yes post 61.

https://www.flhsmv.gov/pdf/forms/82040.pdf

[Cutter 54]

I am in Lake County and it is very easy. Call the Division Of Motorist Services Field Office Region 2 in Ocala 352 512-6782. They will e mail you the instructions.
Check ASPT which is assembled from parts. Take all paperwork mentioned in the instructions including photos to their office and they will check personally that all is OK. At that time they will assign you an inspection date and time. You must appear at that time with the car. You can get a 10 day temp tag to drive it there as I did or trailer it. It must also be weighed. I got that done at the truckstop in Wildwood. The inspection is to verify that the factory five number stamped on the frame corresponds with your paperwork. They will issue the title as a 1965 vehicle. The people at Division 2 are very nice and helpful.

To Falcondriver. I have a home in Lake County and may get my FFR Roadster registered there. You mention Ocala, which is not in Lake County. Did you just contact them for DMV forms or to register your car in Lake County? I am missing something. Thanks in advance.

Oh, any any suggestions about insurance?

Ed K in Clermont.

[Chris30559]

Guys what in the world are you inspecting. There’s no inspections in Florida. It’s a simple VIN verification to make sure the number stamped on the car matches the MSO, that’s it. You can have anyone do this that’s an official, a cop, a notary etc. I just hate to see everyone doing stuff that’s way more complicated than it should be.
If I'm not mistaken I believe it has to do with the fact our cars don't have vin numbers to verify, they are serial numbers right?. The inspection is to assign a vin number so you can move forward with the process, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm trying to get mine sorted out as we speak, been on the phone with title offices all morning. Tried a 3rd part title office first, initially they said bring the car, I said can I get what you need notarized instead they said sure and gave me form 82040. Which at this point I expected, My notary friend noticed it says VIN on the form and he knows what we have is a serial number on the car, so I checked back with the title office and told them I don't actually have a vin, it's a serial number, at which point they said id need the inspection to get a vin. So a call to the regional office in palmetto, they state the only way to move forward without a vin is an inspection. I understand eventually they will more than likely use the serial number as the VIN, but at this point they don't recognize it as such.

Also they immediately went to assemble from parts. I said no no it's a replica, and told them procedure 41 spot on defines our cars, of course they have never heard of these procedures...at the regional office..?..... As much as it would be nice if the TL-48 worked I don't see how it would be possible since the expects a vin.at the end of the day i just want it to be a 1965 I don't care what it says.

[Kbl7td]

If I'm not mistaken I believe it has to do with the fact our cars don't have vin numbers to verify, they are serial numbers right?. The inspection is to assign a vin number so you can move forward with the process, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm trying to get mine sorted out as we speak, been on the phone with title offices all morning. Tried a 3rd part title office first, initially they said bring the car, I said can I get what you need notarized instead they said sure and gave me form 82040. Which at this point I expected, My notary friend noticed it says VIN on the form and he knows what we have is a serial number on the car, so I checked back with the title office and told them I don't actually have a vin, it's a serial number, at which point they said id need the inspection to get a vin. So a call to the regional office in palmetto, they state the only way to move forward without a vin is an inspection. I understand eventually they will more than likely use the serial number as the VIN, but at this point they don't recognize it as such.

Also they immediately went to assemble from parts. I said no no it's a replica, and told them procedure 41 spot on defines our cars, of course they have never heard of these procedures...at the regional office..?..... As much as it would be nice if the TL-48 worked I don't see how it would be possible since the expects a vin.at the end of the day i just want it to be a 1965 I don't care what it says.

I ate my words, deleted my post. Ended up going the Montana route.

I was vocal before because I registered my SLc with ZERO issues. I figured with FFr having millions of Cobras in Florida it wouldn’t be a problem.