"Voodoo Magic" SEMA Build - Day 42 - Done - Let's go to SEMA

[Erik W. Treves]

Well, we are going to certainly need some voodoo - SEMA is the end of Oct. - beginning of Nov - I don't even have the first piece of the truck....but hang on - here we go... This will the be the new "stretched" cab version of the 35 truck with a Voodoo Motor and TKX tranny - ya know just a simple shop truck :) As always will document the build here so you can take a "quick" trip with me. I will do all the pictures as I am done each day - this go around I might see if I can also add in some video and planning for each day.... I seemed to asked the question every time I see you guys on how I get done so fast... so maybe I can show some of that "live" and you can see what my recipe is and what works for me. Not saying it is the best method and I certainly don't stop and smell the roses as I go....

I will start tomorrow with what I have already done in prep for this build and I am pretty sure that most will be surprised on what isn't on the list.... :)


So far we are on track 9-10 weeks to heading out to SEMA and the kit isn't even on the way - seems about right -

Combat Gear - check
New gloves - check
Tool Batteries charging - check
Work bench cleaned - ummm .... "pending"
Start Pestering Wayne Presley for ideas and parts - check

Work bay clear of Wife's car to be set outside in the Alabama Summer Sun - will take her out for Dinner this weekend - check

more to follow tomorrow with actual details -

Will need to start a pool for when first start on the Voodoo engine will be....

ready, steady........ GO!

[Jeff Kleiner]

https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/5445911.jpg

Jeff

[Salty Chief 35]

I love the ambition and can’t wait to follow along on your journey.
Respectfully
Jeremie

[narly1]

Erik, you sir are the definition of an optimist given the times we are living in. That being said (and as you have demonstrated) if anybody can do the build in the allotted time, it's you!

Earl

[WIS89]

ET-

I look forward to following along, if I can keep up with you! HAHA

It's going to be another great build. If we can do anything to help, let us know! I appreciate what you do!

Regards,

Steve

[edwardb]

Erik -- Looking forward to this build. Not just because I know it will be epic. But also very interested in seeing the new stretched truck. Good luck with the timeline. Wouldn't work with my snail's pace. But I'm sure you're up for it.

[GoDadGo]

Can The Truck Be Called Marie Instead?

https://youtu.be/UyNYL2lUSMs?list=RDUyNYL2lUSMs

[Presto51]

171475

[RuffShod]

Can The Truck Be Called Marie Instead?

https://youtu.be/UyNYL2lUSMs?list=RDUyNYL2lUSMs

Marie Laveau

[GoDadGo]

Marie Laveau

Yep, and her resting place is in New Orleans as you'd expect.

[narly1]

According to Google maps it's a 26 hour drive from Huntsville to Las Vegas.

So that means the 35 has to leave the morning of Oct 31st at the very latest.

That's 67 days starting tomorrow morning...

[Erik W. Treves]

No major updates. .. had to work all day....

I did order brake lines that are a little easier to work with
and with the Eastwood flare tool.. it's definitely cheating.
I also just found a link on how to adapt a ford control pack to a voodoo engine....hopefully that was good find and it works.
Discussed a plan on how the painter can still make schedule ... the critical part is door fitment and power window operation....

We landed on that he will start on the bed while I mount cab and get the doors fitted.... then get him the body.

Once he has all the body pieces will roll up the sleeves and get to drivetrain .

Will do hydraulic clutch so that decision is done
Wheel and tire are set as of today I believe

Quickly marking prep items off the list....

[Jim Frahm]

That’s it! I’m moving to Huntsville AL so I can hang out with this cool dude!

[Lew]

Best of luck with the timeline. After 4 months I'm still waiting on the steering column and grill for my truck.

Lewis

[Erik W. Treves]

you'll get your stuff - for SEMA Builds we don't wait on back orders :)

[Mirage775]

Well, we are going to certainly need some voodoo - SEMA is the end of Oct. - beginning of Nov - I don't even have the first piece of the truck....but hang on - here we go... This will the be the new "stretched" cab version of the 35 truck with a Voodoo Motor and TKX tranny - ya know just a simple shop truck :) As always will document the build here so you can take a "quick" trip with me. I will do all the pictures as I am done each day - this go around I might see if I can also add in some video and planning for each day.... I seemed to asked the question every time I see you guys on how I get done so fast... so maybe I can show some of that "live" and you can see what my recipe is and what works for me. Not saying it is the best method and I certainly don't stop and smell the roses as I go....

I will start tomorrow with what I have already done in prep for this build and I am pretty sure that most will be surprised on what isn't on the list.... :)


So far we are on track 9-10 weeks to heading out to SEMA and the kit isn't even on the way - seems about right -

Combat Gear - check
New gloves - check
Tool Batteries charging - check
Work bench cleaned - ummm .... "pending"
Start Pestering Wayne Presley for ideas and parts - check

Work bay clear of Wife's car to be set outside in the Alabama Summer Sun - will take her out for Dinner this weekend - check

more to follow tomorrow with actual details -

Will need to start a pool for when first start on the Voodoo engine will be....

ready, steady........ GO!

I'm in Huntsville too! Where are yall located and can I come by and see the work and possibly sit in the truck cab? I've been trying to figure out if I can fit in one or not and I don't think anyone else around here actually has FFR's truck? I was hoping to be the first, but you beat me to it :)

Well, if you don't mind me coming by sometime, you can let me know through the thread or shoot me a PM please?

Thanks!

[Erik W. Treves]

absolutely - once I get the truck ...... you are welcome by anytime!

[Mirage775]

absolutely - once I get the truck ...... you are welcome by anytime!

Yea, I noticed that you didn't have it yet... Assuming you get it this week, is it going to be finished before SEMA?

[Al_C]

Sending good vibes in your direction! Can't wait to see it progress, Erik!

[FF33rod]

Woohoo, going to enjoy watching this. It's a toss up between the truck and the roadster next....

Steve

[Erik W. Treves]

Yea, I noticed that you didn't have it yet... Assuming you get it this week, is it going to be finished before SEMA?

Well that's the plan if I get it soon. .

[Erik W. Treves]

No real updates - truck hasn't arrived as of this morning ---- but I understand it is now on the way and the hands of Superman - The Honey Badger as he is known by many. Will be good to catch up with him. All parts are sitting in "shopping carts" and "wish lists" - so as soon as I see what's there are what isn't - will hit the BUY button and drive on. For sure what I know I am missing is the rear axle and wheels and tires... fortunately there are 352 other things that can get done.. I have the the flare tool out and in the vise along with the brake line I use... I have 4 brand new 9/64 drill bits a tube of urethane for the aluminum... I just bought all the fluids for the car as well- so that's done... filled the fridge in the garage with drinks and other things. I also spoke to me Painter/coater - he is all set and has plenty of powder on hand - will plan on having everything in his hands on Tuesday. ... anyway more to follow this weekend!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiOW6l5fMvE

[GoDadGo]

Well that's the plan if I get it soon. .

We Know You Can Do It!
.........Good Luck!

[Erik W. Treves]

Ready ------- GO!

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=171998&d=1662339648

[orangecruz]

following with interest, tuff deadline but sure you will do it :p

[Erik W. Treves]

Day one complete - will probably do my normal late night "small stuff" stuff while everyone is sleeping...

Bed is on, gas tank in, everything went to the coaters, firewall fitted and sent off and wilwood assy installed.

overall not a bad way to start.... did my inventory using the manual - really missed the packing list - funny you don't realize how much you use it until you don't have it - and I believer this kit was packed under the "new" system - so some of the boxes got re-numbered (nobody likes change I know) - but overall it wasn't that bad - gotta say. Nothing damage either. Anyway - I could type this all out - but man I was flying around the truck today - Wayne would have had fun with me as tried to see both sides of the truck at the same time trying to get the gaps on the bed all right....but it's all square.... anyway I did a post day 1 video - hopefully this approach is better than the typical novel and still pictures....


https://youtu.be/oesjeqGDDGg

[mburger]

Is there anything you can’t do??
I have no idea how you can take care of your, “day job”, family, all of life’s daily surprises AND build this truck within the given time frame. On top of everything else, you’re making videos of your process and progress for the community to learn from or simply enjoy watching. Incredible.
Best of luck! (But I know you won’t need it)

[Erik W. Treves]

Thanks Mark - well that list of things I can't do is quite long unfortunately ..... lol... ask Wayne about me and draining and filling cars with fluids..... anyway - just time management and planning in my sleep and in the down time.... i get pretty focused during these things which actually helps me mentally..... anyway - it appears someone got up early this morning and dry fit one door in the hole already...... guess I will have to do the other one after dinner....

I like to do it while the body is still kinda free to move around and so I can move the body to fit the shape of the door.... right now as it sits it appears to be flush all the way around... a good sign....so far...

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=172089&d=1662469580

[Erik W. Treves]

More progress today - moving forward on the doors - had to work at my day job so only got a few hours on it today.....


https://youtu.be/B4okPVSf450

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 3 - not too much - some real small stuff - tried to keep the video short - might find interesting what you can do in those days you can't commit a lot of time to the project....

anyway -


https://youtu.be/TuQLzqudpgY

[Erik W. Treves]

Progress continues - a little slow yesterday and today because of my normal job - but still knocking things out.... made some pretty good progress today given the time I had to work on the truck.


https://youtu.be/BPDzYfGklqo

[Jeff Kleiner]

E,
Really enjoying and appreciating the updates. It should also serve as great inspiration to some of the newer builders who believe that they can’t do anything due to back orders—-there’s always something that can be done ;)

Carry on Buddy!

Jeff

[cob427sc]

I think we should start a Go Fund Me account to get Erik a window A/C unit for his garage! The humidity and mosquitoes would sure slow me down!

[Erik W. Treves]

Hey Jeff - I am glad that message is coming through in the videos - I hope this helps others along the way when obstacles appear in the build process.... the path from start to finish isn't always a straight line.... it's the journey and not the destination - so enjoy!

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 5 on the truck - what started out to be only very small progress today ended up quite far along on the punch list for the weekend..... I am actually back on schedule I think and maybe a little ahead.... see ya tomorrow!


https://youtu.be/5JxRW93PqG4

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 6 complete - long aggressive day - long video means I got a ton done! - we are basically ready to go to the body shop tomorrow.....have to load it up mid day tomorrow... I did the video a little differently this time (see what you think) - I did incremental videos for the steps along the way and then a recap video at the end - instead of just a recap... it's a longer video that way but it shows you some of the steps - might do a few like this - let me know which you prefer.


https://youtu.be/k9jIafvyqLc

[Jeff Kleiner]

Thanks Erik! Still checking in every morning for a progress report. It’s nice to see that we share some of the same processes and shortcuts (…and also terminology like “waller”…and the ability to lose/misplace hardware :D :D :D)

Great progress!

Jeff

[Erik W. Treves]

thanks Jeff!

[Salty Chief 35]

Enjoy this thread and videos. One problem though, you make this look way too easy. I mean, you are essentially building a SEMA worthy truck in 6 weeks… just WOW!!!
Keep up the good work,
Jeremie

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 7 - chassis and body off to the painter.


https://youtu.be/h2Bh5Vw_HnE

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 8-9 .... no update yesterday - did you miss me :)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r20yM4cUzpM

[Presto51]

[QUOTE=Erik W. Treves;503401]Day 8-9 .... no update yesterday - did you miss me :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLRmtYjpEfU

[FF33rod]

You're rockin' Erik! Love the updates, my vote is for more of the "how to" for the tougher stuff (like the door alignment) like you did on day 6. Recap is great for the "slap it on" stuff :)

Interesting that the cab didn't need the firewall in place for alignment to the chassis. Can't do that with the '33

Keep em coming!

Steve

[Erik W. Treves]

Here is day 10 - I called it day 9 in the video - so the days are blending together.... really not a ton done as parts are still coming in - but I am putting things together where and when I can....


https://youtu.be/jt6WGfmp7mk

[niceguy]

Great updates keep moving forward

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 11 - days are marching by - waiting on chassis...... tic toc.....


https://youtu.be/RQ7fDK4s0I4

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 12 - more small moves today


https://youtu.be/hCBOnMNQ0HE

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 13 complete - engine harness re-run complete


https://youtu.be/tL_i8iblnx8

[Salty Chief 35]

Erik,
I really enjoy following your videos. Thank you for taking the time to do them. Your attention to detail is well thought out. Just taking the time to rewire the engine makes a huge difference in the end appearance. That looks really clean even without the loom.
I do have a dumb question as I really like the truck with the larger cab. I have the idea of building one in a similar style to Henry R’s 33 with bomber seats and metal door inserts. I would like to use the OTB Gear 6 gauge bomber insert but the dash has the raised oval design. Would that area of the dash be able to be smoothed or would the whole dash have to be re-fabricated?
Respectfully,
Jeremie

[Erik W. Treves]

The dash is just fiberglass....so yes it can be smoothed and then body work done to get the flat dash look

[Erik W. Treves]

The Chassis is Back and motor is in!
Day 14-15 update


https://youtu.be/a2vFb-Y4tx0

[Jeff Kleiner]

Thanks for the updates!

Jeff

[wallace18]

That engine looks like 10 gallons of water in a 5 gallon bucket, LOL. I thought the Gen 2 Coyote in an MK4 was tight. I think that has it beat.:p

[Erik W. Treves]

yeah it's pretty tight - but it fits!

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 16 - and just like that - more progress....


https://youtu.be/M_-wyNaxvuY

[Nigel Allen]

Sweating like a gypsy with a mortgage. Keep up the nice work Erik.

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 17 - Brakes done!


https://youtu.be/2uBTAZ9O3B8

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 18 - moving right along!


https://youtu.be/CAUcsiyMqsg

[Geoff H]

Really enjoying your updates and building tips.

[Jeff Kleiner]

Sounds like just a typical Treves morning:
“I got up…went to clean up the garage…next thing I knew the fuel system was done…then I had breakfast and went to work.”

:D

Jeff

[ehansen007]

Man I wish you lived closer. Would love to come over and help out. Been itching to build!! Good luck brother!

[i.e.427]

Man I wish you lived closer. Would love to come over and help out. Been itching to build!! Good luck brother!
Always plenty of work in the shop just 50 miles North of you.......... Just say'n.

Hope you're doing well Erik.

Frank

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 19 and 20 - moving right along!


https://youtu.be/rVMd_vJpd5Q

[GoDadGo]

Erik,

I'm always impressed at how easily you figure out the tough stuff.
Good Luck, Keep Wrenching & Watch Your Pinkies!

Steve

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 21 - brakes now have fluid in them!


https://youtu.be/FeRWnyAGsDw

[mkassab]

Hi Erik. I noticed your front shocks mounted upside down. I went back to the day 12 update to confirm you said you had the double adjustable shocks and I remember reading that the double adjustable shocks can not be mounted upside down, i.e., the controls must be at the bottom to function.

Anyway, just wanted to bring that to your attention before you went to far.

Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

yep - you're correct - I plan on correcting that - thanks - thankfully it's only 4 bolts... lunch break update - they are flipped....

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 22.... getting closer...shocks fixed


https://youtu.be/D_bTIc6eU_o

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 23 complete - Fuel Pressure Regulator, Remote Oil Filter, Alternator, wiring


https://youtu.be/379N-CwiQCI

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 24 - I figured you didn't want to watch me talk about the truck today since all I did was put 10qts of oil in the engine and top off the transmission and rear end..... I also centered the steering column.... that's all unfortunately - long day at my normal work and I am beat.... see ya tomorrow!

[mkassab]

Hi Erik... I do have a few curious questions about this build.

Why is this build going to SEMA? Is it the extended cab, the engine, etc, i.e., what makes is special for SEMA? Is this build for a sponsor, another person, or yours? Lastly, what's the main drivers/requirements for this SEMA build that dictates what you end up doing?

Thanks Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

Mark

I am fortunate enough to have been one of the BETA builders for the last 5 (6) kits that have been put out to the field - 289,Gen3 Daytona, 35 truck, F9, Speedstar, 35 extended truck...... I built the 289,Gen3 and first truck for myself - this one is for Factory Five - with the exception of the F9 they all to SEMA to be displayed in their booth. Hence "SEMA Build". I am not a Factory Five employee - just a guy who likes to put these cars together - The other thing with this specific build is that the truck kit was assembled and shipped to me under the "new" parts tracking system - so I guess I am Beta on that too :) . I have to detail the build and process back to FFR (and forums) - provide feedback so the that the when they go into production the process should go smoother. I already have the next build planned - FOR ME..... so that will be coming soon....... so stay tuned.

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 25 - we are a roller officially!


https://youtu.be/BOHyoGSx0BI

[mkassab]

Erik, nice progress.

Some questions:
1. Could the headers have been installed on the engine out of the chassis and then lowered in? (this will help me on my build plan)
2. What size wheels (including offset) and tires used?
3. What size are the Stage 8 bolts (thread size and length)? Also, what style lock flange on the Stage 8, e.g., the tear drop lock flange or the crescent shape ones?

I'll reverse my motor mount bolts for header clearance..... Will you suggest to FF to add that to there install manual? Is there enough room for header glass wrap?

thx Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 26 - I think we are about ready to fire


https://youtu.be/EhaflIiBq6E

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 27 - It's ALIVE!


https://youtu.be/2Fyp-9iI_ZM

[wallace18]

Congrats!:cool:

[Geoff H]

Sounds awesome - congratulations! Always exciting seeing one come to life!

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 28 - lots of stuff done today!


https://youtu.be/oRb8EWsJGWc

[mkassab]

Erik, I know your busy.... but hopefully you have time soon to answer my questions. Thx Mark


Erik, nice progress.

Some questions:
1. Could the headers have been installed on the engine out of the chassis and then lowered in? (this will help me on my build plan)
2. What size wheels (including offset) and tires used?
3. What size are the Stage 8 bolts (thread size and length)? Also, what style lock flange on the Stage 8, e.g., the tear drop lock flange or the crescent shape ones?

I'll reverse my motor mount bolts for header clearance..... Will you suggest to FF to add that to there install manual? Is there enough room for header glass wrap?

thx Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

Mark

1. Could the headers have been installed on the engine out of the chassis and then lowered in? (this will help me on my build plan)

I would just plan on installing the headers as you put the engine in - like normal full length header installs the headers are just laying in the engine compartment as you place the engine in

2. What size wheels (including offset) and tires used?

255/45/18's Toyo's - not sure on the wheel spacing but FFR is pretty consistent with the 6.5 BS since it's all mustang stuff - running 1.5 spacer in the back

3. What size are the Stage 8 bolts (thread size and length)? Also, what style lock flange on the Stage 8, e.g., the tear drop lock flange or the crescent shape ones?

Tear drop spacers - I just went on Summit and looked up coyote header bolts


I'll reverse my motor mount bolts for header clearance..... Will you suggest to FF to add that to there install manual? Is there enough room for header glass wrap?

Yes there is room to put header wrap - as far as reversing the mounts.... anything is possible I suppose - the motor mounts only bolt to the block one way on the coyote - the brackets can be reversed - but then you would need a new driveshaft and I am not sure how you would do the lower radiator hose - the crank pulley will be VERY close to the steering rack, you will need another transmission mount as well for the chassis. The exhaust bends will be in the wrong places - so those would need to be redone as well. So basically it would seem to me on the back of the napkin planning that this wouldn't be as simple as flipping motor mounts - it's a full custom install.... I am not afraid of it myself - but one would need to go into this plan eyes wide open... in the end the current FFR headers fit - but it's your build plan and FFR gives you 2 doors to walk through - book build or custom build.... I rarely walk through the book build door myself....

[mkassab]

Mark

1. Could the headers have been installed on the engine out of the chassis and then lowered in? (this will help me on my build plan)

I would just plan on installing the headers as you put the engine in - like normal full length header installs the headers are just laying in the engine compartment as you place the engine in

2. What size wheels (including offset) and tires used?

255/45/18's Toyo's - not sure on the wheel spacing but FFR is pretty consistent with the 6.5 BS since it's all mustang stuff - running 1.5 spacer in the back

3. What size are the Stage 8 bolts (thread size and length)? Also, what style lock flange on the Stage 8, e.g., the tear drop lock flange or the crescent shape ones?

Tear drop spacers - I just went on Summit and looked up coyote header bolts


I'll reverse my motor mount bolts for header clearance..... Will you suggest to FF to add that to there install manual? Is there enough room for header glass wrap?

Yes there is room to put header wrap - as far as reversing the mounts.... anything is possible I suppose - the motor mounts only bolt to the block one way on the coyote - the brackets can be reversed - but then you would need a new driveshaft and I am not sure how you would do the lower radiator hose - the crank pulley will be VERY close to the steering rack, you will need another transmission mount as well for the chassis. The exhaust bends will be in the wrong places - so those would need to be redone as well. So basically it would seem to me on the back of the napkin planning that this wouldn't be as simple as flipping motor mounts - it's a full custom install.... I am not afraid of it myself - but one would need to go into this plan eyes wide open... in the end the current FFR headers fit - but it's your build plan and FFR gives you 2 doors to walk through - book build or custom build.... I rarely walk through the book build door myself....

On the last item.... I wan ONLY referring to reversing the bolts as I noted, i.e., the bolts enter the mount from the rear side with the nuts on the front side to give more room between bolt head and header.

Thanks Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

Thanks for the clarification......I would not do that since removing the bolt would require the header to come off - and I put the headers on before the mounts - so it isn't possible - there is room - it's just close - as long as it doesn't touch it's good - you could change the nut type and go to a metal lock nut versus as nylon lock nut - they tend to be shorter and narrower...

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 29 alignment completed


https://youtu.be/j2XZ5_y5wZw

[GoDadGo]

You'll Make It!
You Always Do!
You've Got This!

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 30 - We have lights - 1 month went by pretty quick!


https://youtu.be/71RWC0y47Sg

[DonImbimbo]

Hi Erik,

Really enjoying the video series.

Day 25 question

In between the topside and underside aluminum sheets, FF still has the insulation sheets? Reason for me asking is on my 35 order they wrote a note saying "no longer available".

Thanks again for the video documentation.

Don

[Erik W. Treves]

I am tracking your question from the thread you started on that topic... there was another insulation with the old floor - I am also going to guess that that is what is discontinued since mine came with the sandwich construction floor as did Paul's truck which is the non-stretched version.

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 31 - We have Seats and foot room!


https://youtu.be/dmnJbyvc-uM

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 33 - closing in on it - interior carpet going in and some other stuff...


https://youtu.be/S0ZUnQashsc

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 34 - Test drive complete - waiting on body!


https://youtu.be/-Z35ypsYDLc

[Salty Chief 35]

That motor has a very unique sound. Very cool!!!
Respectfully
Jeremie

[Erik W. Treves]

That motor has a very unique sound. Very cool!!!
Respectfully
Jeremie

I think it really needs an X-pipe - and I think the chambered mufflers need to be swapped out... but I think it sounds good in real life- -I imagine at 8000 RPM it will sound amazing.

[GoDadGo]

That motor has a very unique sound. Very cool!!!
Respectfully
Jeremie

....Ditto On The Unique Sound!

Not sure if I like, but it is cool none the less.

[mkassab]

I think it really needs an X-pipe - and I think the chambered mufflers need to be swapped out... but I think it sounds good in real life- -I imagine at 8000 RPM it will sound amazing.

On my '35 build, I'll install the H pipe. I like the sound better and it's suppose to help increase torque at lower RPMs.... at least that's what I've read and experienced in past builds (although they weren't Coyote engines)

Mark

[Jeff Kleiner]

I think it really needs an X-pipe - and I think the chambered mufflers need to be swapped out... but I think it sounds good in real life- -I imagine at 8000 RPM it will sound amazing.

Regarding the X pipe…I remember talking to Jim Schenck about the flat plane engines in a roadster or Coupe and his comment was “If you exhaust the right bank and left bank separately through individual sidepipes without a crossover pipe it’ll sound like 2 fart can Honda’s going down the road” :)

Jeff

[Erik W. Treves]

I can confirm presence of a fart can.

[Erik W. Treves]

Chassis wrap up discussion - and the plan for paint!

I don't think I covered my "big feet" mod to the pedals - so here is a picture of the cut down pads.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173611&d=1665437955


https://youtu.be/BEZ03dm_nH0

[Jeff Kleiner]

Thanks for the update Erik! Plan sounds good :) You’re preaching to the choir here regarding paint prices…it’s gotten pretty nuts…everything from the bottom (cleaners and filler) all the way through to the top even including buffing compounds.

Good luck with the final push!

[Erik W. Treves]

Yeah the paint cost was nuts! I think it was $3800+ for just the color! That's a 300% increase that I am tracking- I just paid $27 for a bottle of Loctite!

[wallace18]

Paint is crazy right now. Most people have no clue to the cost of a proper paint job.

[Erik W. Treves]

Getting close to color.... hope to move the truck to the body shop on Friday!!

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173702&d=1665677303

[RuffShod]

I like the scorched tan look. Clear coat it and call it good!!!

[mkassab]

Hi Erik, what starter is on your coyote?..... is it the standard Ford starter,? can you provide me a brand and part number?

Thx Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

ford coyote starter nothing special about it

[Erik W. Treves]

So - we need to finish up the truck next week and I am waiting on paint - so figured we need some more stress - let's rip out the exhaust and build a custom one....


https://youtu.be/qWhbmBh780c

[Jeff Kleiner]

Looks and sounds good E! Much better :cool: Can the parking brake cables be routed above the mufflers and still have a proper approach to the calipers?

Jeff

[mkassab]

Hi Erik.... sounds better for sure. I'm thinking of going with an "H" pipe crossover vs "X".

Three questions:
1. Did you consider the "H" pipe crossover?
2. Why did you choose the "X" pipe crossover?
3. Is the FF exhaust 2.5" diameter?

Thanks Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

Jeff - I am not sure the cable will go over the exhaust with enough clearance for the rebound - I need to add some supports to the rear of the muffler to keep it from dropping. If I angle the muffler up a bit I end up with tons of room... so I will just add a couple metal straps today while I am letting the water drain out of it for the thermostat housing change. I am happy about the way it sounds and was in a rush to hear it yesterday...

Mark - the GT350 sound in the OEM car is an X-pipe... and we all love how that sounds... that's what drove the decision

[FF33rod]

Sounds much better Erik, can't wait to see the painted cab!

Couple of quick questions if you can:
- any vendor part number info on the x pipe upgrade to the exhaust
- looks like you upgraded the wire gauge on the battery cable to the front (much heavier gauge that I got in the '33 kit at least), what did you go with?
- also looks like you added a negative/ground wire instead of using chassis, correct? gauge?

Thx!!
Steve

[Erik W. Treves]

Steve

The X-pipe is a universal Stainless X-pipe from summit.

The whole battery cable deal is me and "history" with troubleshooting issues I had in years past and repeated approach to use the smallest battery I can... With the fuel injected cars and typically the ECU it is still amazing to me that the ground can play such a huge part of how well the car runs... to that end I really over engineer it I think ... but I am running "easy bend" 0/1 battery cables - you can find them anywhere - amazon for example has some excellent kits.... I do run a dedicated power and ground to the starter and the starter bolt - this grounds the engine, ECU, Battery and Starter all to the same source..... I then run RF harness from the starter and then ground that to the frame. I also run a small ground from the engine to the chassis to service anything that needs a ground that isn't the ECU or starter.... For the starter circuit I do not use the chassis any more... it works... but have decided to do it this way for several builds now.

[mkassab]

Steve

The X-pipe is a universal Stainless X-pipe from summit.

The whole battery cable deal is me and "history" with troubleshooting issues I had in years past and repeated approach to use the smallest battery I can... With the fuel injected cars and typically the ECU it is still amazing to me that the ground can play such a huge part of how well the car runs... to that end I really over engineer it I think ... but I am running "easy bend" 0/1 battery cables - you can find them anywhere - amazon for example has some excellent kits.... I do run a dedicated power and ground to the starter and the starter bolt - this grounds the engine, ECU, Battery and Starter all to the same source..... I then run RF harness from the starter and then ground that to the frame. I also run a small ground from the engine to the chassis to service anything that needs a ground that isn't the ECU or starter.... For the starter circuit I do not use the chassis any more... it works... but have decided to do it this way for several builds now.

First, I agree with Erik totally.... I even go to another level, e.g, ground each head to the block and block to chassis. This ensures good ground for the spark plugs/ignition. I also run a ground from the alternator housing to one of the heads. Lastly, any place you can run some heavier gauge wire, e.g., Alternator to battery is always good (especially for the long runs for the trucks (i.e., alt up front and battery in back. In this cast, you can run the alt to the starter /battery lug).

Mark

[mkassab]

....repeated approach to use the smallest battery I can...

Erik.... you comment of using the smallest batter you can:
1. are you referring to physical size, weight, Amp Hrs, cold cranking Amps, or what?
2. Why?

Thx Mark

[Erik W. Treves]

- highest AMPS - lowest weight, smallest footprint

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 38 - no time for videos today - prepositioned the truck over to the painter yesterday - started a noon today - this is right out of the gun - still have to cut and buff.... cab is fully installed and connected to the firewall - nose is completely in...

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173968&d=1666318708

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173969&d=1666318708

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173970&d=1666318708

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173971&d=1666318708

[wallace18]

Looking good! I do like red, LOL.:cool:

[GoDadGo]

Lets Go All The Way!
To SEMA That Is!
Looking Really Good Mr. Treves!

[jayguy]

Looks Amazing! Can't wait to see it with the bed on too.

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 39 - I am beat - got a lot done today - door windows tomorrow and some other odds and ends while we wait for the bed..... tick tock...

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173990&d=1666412496

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173991&d=1666412496

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173992&d=1666412496

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173993&d=1666412496

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=173994&d=1666412496

[Erik W. Treves]

here is the walk around and discussion Day 39


https://youtu.be/WtI__m9u2mc

[Jeff Kleiner]

Great fit on the doors!

Jeff

[Salty Chief 35]

I really like this truck… very cool!
Jeremie

[Erik W. Treves]

Can you see me?

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174007&d=1666502541

[GoDadGo]

Yes, We Can See You!

[Salty Chief 35]

Outstanding!

[Jeff Kleiner]

Can you see me?

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174007&d=1666502541

Remember the two words I mentioned to you a few days ago? ;)

Jeff

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 41 - long night!


https://youtu.be/KYg-Ae_I-kI

[Erik W. Treves]

Day 42 - I am gonna call it ALL DONE...... still have to glue in the front and rear window and wax it and vacuum.... but..... we are DONE.... Will be standing by for the call from Scotty and we are off to SEMA!!! Here are some pics as I left it this morning - still dusty from all the buffing so as nice as it looks it is pretty dirty....

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174150&d=1666677825

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174149&d=1666677795

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174148&d=1666677795

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174147&d=1666677795

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174146&d=1666677795

[Erik W. Treves]

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174145&d=1666677795

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174144&d=1666677743

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174152&d=1666678466

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=174151&d=1666677825

[GoDadGo]

You did in 42 days what would have easily taken me 42 weeks; heck, more likely 42 months.
I'm sure the truck will be well received at SEMA, hopefully as well received as the Black Mamba.

Congratulations & Well Done Once Again!

[Salty Chief 35]

Challenge accepted, challenge overcome!
Outstanding
Jeremie

[Erik W. Treves]

Mission Complete


https://youtu.be/O1D_i96m_qo

[Geoff H]

Well done - congratulations Erik!

[Erik W. Treves]

Hey all - just wanted to provide feedback that we did get a 6'6" 320 lbs gentleman into the truck and he fit!

Somethings that we (I) could have done to make the truck bigger on the inside -

1) put an automatic in it
2) I had the pedals up off the front firewall a little too much (mainly so I could drive it) -
a. could have just adjusted them with the mater cylinder rod to lower them
b. goning to larger master cylinder size to reduce pedal throw (would increase effort but they are pretty soft now) - and the larger folks will have "more" mass pushing anyway... I believe the stock pieces are 3/4 bore

All in all everybody who tried to get in the truck was able to get in it.... most said the seat was too low and too far back - all goodness!

Mission Success from a design perspective I think!

[Skuzzy]

Would it be possible to stuff a 6R80 transmission in it (without modifications), behind a Coyote? Wife wants this truck, but for the sake of her own safety, I need to put in an automatic.

[FFinisher]

Would it be possible to stuff a 6R80 transmission in it (without modifications), behind a Coyote? Wife wants this truck, but for the sake of her own safety, I need to put in an automatic.

I just built one with 4R70W witha small block, I would say that is doable behind a coyote. 6R80's are pretty big.

[edwardb]

I just built one with 4R70W witha small block, I would say that is doable behind a coyote. 6R80's are pretty big.

To build on this response, my truck build is an LS3 with a GM 4L65E automatic. That's an older vintage trans and smaller than newer ones including the 6R80. It fit OK, but wouldn't want to go any bigger.

[Alan_C]

Not really relevant to the question, but my 2nd Gen Coyote and 6R80 did not fit in my 70 Mustang without tunnel surgery. The bellhousing area is very wide on the 6R80.
If you want, I can give you dimensions and pictures as my engine and transmission are currently out of the car.
If you can weld, you can make it fit.

[Skuzzy]

Not really relevant to the question, but my 2nd Gen Coyote and 6R80 did not fit in my 70 Mustang without tunnel surgery. The bellhousing area is very wide on the 6R80.
If you want, I can give you dimensions and pictures as my engine and transmission are currently out of the car.
If you can weld, you can make it fit.

That would be helpful. I would like to see what it might take to stuff a 6R80 into it. It may not be feasible, but I would regret not giving it a try. Thank you.

[edwardb]

That would be helpful. I would like to see what it might take to stuff a 6R80 into it. It may not be feasible, but I would regret not giving it a try. Thank you.

Of course go for it if that's what you want to do. Anything's possible. My main caution is the foot space on the truck is already narrow. Widening the transmission tunnel, especially at the front by the bell housing, is going to make it even tighter. For driver with the pedals and also for the passenger.

[Erik W. Treves]

I think it would "fit" - the issue of width on the 6R80 is only one aspect of the box - the 6R80 is also taller than the other boxes and wider in the hips... I don't think the foot box would be the issue rather the hour glass shape of the tunnel..... anything possible - and we can probably speculate some - but somebody has to be first :) - I think I was the first to put it in the coupe? I think even factory 5 said it was "probably" too big.... until you stuff it in there you won't know.... in my case I already had one to try.... and to say it "FITS" - well it does .... but just... and it takes a few modifications to get it in there so it's usable.... Paul is correct about the need to more than likely widen the tunnel - but I don't think that will effect the relationship between the gas pedal and your foot since that point is already the widest point of bellhousing mounts to the motor and if the transmission was any wider it wouldn't bolt to the engine.

[Skuzzy]

I do have a 6R80 in the garage ready to go. I was going to use it in another project but have since decided to retire from building cars. I agree Erik. I do not think it will shrink the foot box, at the pedals, as that should already be wide enough to handle the engine.

What size is the tubing in the tunnel? I assume it is square. Depending on how much more space is needed, it might be possible to unitize the tunnel by splitting the tubing and reinforcing it with 1/16" plate. That description may be a bit vague. Basically, split the tubing in the tunnel and then take a sheet of 1/16" plate and weld it the length of the tunnel to restore the strength lost. If the tubing is 1.5" square, then that could gain 1.375" in the width of the tunnel with zero change to the interior.

About 12" from the bellhousing mounting face the tunnel to be 11" wide/high. How far off is that? That first 12" is a linear taper from the width of the engine to about 10.25".

[Alan_C]

In this thread there is a link to the dimensions of the 6R80 from Power by the Hour. PBH has some great Coyote and 6R80 swap parts as I have used a few.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?41729-Auto-transmission-in-Mk4-anyone-install-one&highlight=6R80

[Mirage775]

Hey Erik! I just sent you a PM about checking out the truck in person? I'm the guy in Huntsville that was originally interested in the '33 Hot Rod, back in September, but was told by many, that I was too tall for it...