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Real Time
03-27-2022, 09:20 AM
So I did it.
Thank you Jeff Kleiner, Captain B, and others for encouragement.
I placed my order and have a build date of 1-14-23.
Seems like a long way off, but history has shown that time goes by pretty fast...lol
They said I would receive a "what to expect package" in the mail.
Anyone know when I could expect this?
I would love to do "REAR EXIT" exhaust.
I've searched as best I could but have not found much to help my confidence with this direction.
Any help with this would be great!
I am leaning towards a coyote but looks like FFR is recommending Blueprint at this time.
I am open to "any" engine that would serve me better regarding rear exit exhaust.
I've been enjoying all of your posts and build threads.
They have been very helpful in my decision to move forward with this project!!
Moving forward I will continue to refine my build plan, purchase some choice tools, and
be sure to create a surplus in the honey-do list.:)
George
Mike.Bray
03-27-2022, 09:42 AM
that time goes by pretty fast
No it doesn't. I'm down to the last 6 weeks and currently up to 42 hours in a day.
hineas
03-27-2022, 10:42 AM
Welcome to the forum! It is exciting to get the order in and now the waiting begins.
Concerning the engine, I have a BluePrint 347 and love it. The Coyote is also a great engine. From an engine standpoint, BluePrint or Coyote are both great decisions and you should be happy with either.
The Coyote is bigger and takes up more room in the engine bay, but people have still done rear exhaust with that engine.
Have you read this thread?
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?38564-Under-Car-Rear-Exhaust-on-MK4-Roadster
What options did you order? We want to know!
JohnK
03-27-2022, 10:55 AM
Congratulations on the order. No, time will not go by fast. :p
Regarding choice of engine - this is one of the most consequential decisions you'll make about your build so take the time to research, and understand the options. There have been many threads discussing pushrod V8 vs coyote at length so I won't rehash here. The coyote is a wider/larger engine but most of the additional bulk is in the cylinder heads so I don't think choosing a coyote would necessarily make doing a rear exhaust any more difficult than it already is.
Good luck and welcome!
You can do rear exhaust with either engine.
There are Coyote people and then there are pushrod people.
I ordered a 347 and my friends tried very hard talking me into a Coyote and I just can't. It's not even the looks (people have done all sort of creative things making the Coyote look amazing), I just want a vintage engine with a vintage vibration, smell and noise in a vintage (replica) car. Purely a personal preference.
Real Time
03-27-2022, 01:41 PM
Welcome to the forum! It is exciting to get the order in and now the waiting begins.
Concerning the engine, I have a BluePrint 347 and love it. The Coyote is also a great engine. From an engine standpoint, BluePrint or Coyote are both great decisions and you should be happy with either.
The Coyote is bigger and takes up more room in the engine bay, but people have still done rear exhaust with that engine.
Have you read this thread?
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?38564-Under-Car-Rear-Exhaust-on-MK4-Roadster
What options did you order? We want to know!
Thanks hineas,
Yes, saw these threads. I may pm a few of the posters with some questions.
as far as optopns
-complete kit
-IRS
-pwr steering
-vintage gauges
leaning towards hydraulic pwr breaks
still on the fence with wheels.....we will see
I have some ideas about color but have no intention to decide at this point.
Real Time
03-27-2022, 01:43 PM
No it doesn't. I'm down to the last 6 weeks and currently up to 42 hours in a day.
lol
yeah, I'm all cool right now.
I'm sure when I'm 6 weeks out like you are the ants in my pants will be horrendous....:D
robmccon
03-27-2022, 09:05 PM
George, congratulations! I am in a similar situation, my complete kit is due in July. I also want to do undercar exhaust, as well as a SBF and IRS.
nucjd19
03-27-2022, 09:22 PM
Congrats man!!!! What an exciting and scary time. I was so stoked when I ordered mine and then did my inventory when it came in and realized the scope of the project..... Then the anxiety kicked in LOL!!! But as one of my buddy's said after I ordered my kit " how do you eat an elephant???? One bite at a time." I lived but that mantra and 7 months later I was driving in Gelcoat. It went by so fast and was an amazing experience. As for engine choice I went with the BPE 347 and TKO 600. It installed perfectly and runs like a top. I love the engine and it is an amazing combo with the MKIV. But....... If I could do it again...... I might have ate the cost and went with the 427. But that being said IMO the 400 to 430HP range is a sweet spot for these cars ( which the 347 hits) and the sound of this push rod monster when it is idling is just music and when I get on the throttle....Oh man! Look forward to your build!
CraigS
03-28-2022, 07:25 AM
Research a lot on the undercar exhaust. The first problem it can create is ride height. Running a 2.5 inch pipe under the frame tubes makes for a real old school height. To avoid that several guys have put holes in the rear cross tube of the frame. The best way to do that is pierce the 4 inch tube w/ a 3 inch tube and weld it up. And then you have to figure exhaust mounting so the 2.5 inch exhaust pipe isn't constantly hitting inside the 3 in tube. And then you have to get the pipes past the IRS. Not saying it can't be done, but it will be a challenge for sure. Engine wise I am a strong proponent of a 351 based small block. If you chose your cam correctly and use efi vs a carb you can have an old school look that drives as well as a modern car. Even my carbed 408 after the first 3 minutes or so while I was using the manual choke, drove just as well as my wife's 2015 mustang GT 6 speed.
Jammer369
03-28-2022, 10:42 AM
Congrats on the order! I ordered on Oct 10 and my original completion date was Jun 18. I ended up moving it back a few months to Oct 1 of this year. Hopefully someone will have their date moved up as a result.
Not necessarily an under car rear exhaust but Fman posted a video where he shows one of his buddies' really nice 289 roadster that has an undercar exhaust with the tips just forward of the rear wheels. In the video, he puts the car on a lift and shows the routing and the type of exhaust components he used. It was a pretty slick setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYypZiWWUJQ&t=437s
For the motor, I have always planned on a coyote for the last 7 years but have made the decision to go with a pushrod motor. I originally planned on a stroked 347 but when I talked to Jim at fordstrokers.com, I changed my mind and will be ordering a 351W based 427. The 427 from him is not much more than a 347 and made sense to me.
Good luck with you decisions!
Troy
I went with the BPE 347 and TKO 600. It installed perfectly and runs like a top. I love the engine and it is an amazing combo with the MKIV. But....... If I could do it again...... I might have ate the cost and went with the 427.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I am curious as to why 427 vs. 347.
From what I understand, the BPE 347 is plenty powerful and you're traction limited. It's already difficult, if not impossible, to floor the throttle aggressively. What advantage does 427 add then?
CaptB
03-28-2022, 10:49 AM
Congrats on the order. There is a lot of good people here that will help you when you have a question. I've been the king of the dumb question here and everyone has been very encouraging.
Capt. B
Ray from Long Island
03-28-2022, 11:23 AM
Way to go George! I'll supply my chassis dolly and body buck!
Ray
Real Time
03-28-2022, 12:10 PM
Research a lot on the undercar exhaust. The first problem it can create is ride height. Running a 2.5 inch pipe under the frame tubes makes for a real old school height. To avoid that several guys have put holes in the rear cross tube of the frame. The best way to do that is pierce the 4 inch tube w/ a 3 inch tube and weld it up. And then you have to figure exhaust mounting so the 2.5 inch exhaust pipe isn't constantly hitting inside the 3 in tube. And then you have to get the pipes past the IRS. Not saying it can't be done, but it will be a challenge for sure. Engine wise I am a strong proponent of a 351 based small block. If you chose your cam correctly and use efi vs a carb you can have an old school look that drives as well as a modern car. Even my carbed 408 after the first 3 minutes or so while I was using the manual choke, drove just as well as my wife's 2015 mustang GT 6 speed.
I'm most impressed with the 3" sleeves through the 4" cross member idea. I'd be willing to forgo the IRS if need be. Some of the cars I've looked at looks like no room to get by the oil pan from the front of the engine. I'm guessing it would just require a particular oil pan. even still... the fit is "TIGHT" lol. '
thanks for all your input!!
Real Time
03-28-2022, 12:13 PM
Way to go George! I'll supply my chassis dolly and body buck!
Ray
THANK YOU RAY!!!!!
that would be awesome!
Hope all is going well.
Looking forward to getting over there to help with coyote install if it isn't in already:D
George
nucjd19
03-28-2022, 03:41 PM
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I am curious as to why 427 vs. 347.
From what I understand, the BPE 347 is plenty powerful and you're traction limited. It's already difficult, if not impossible, to floor the throttle aggressively. What advantage does 427 add then?
This is silly but...the badge..... Just the 427 is iconic in this rig. I know I know it is not anywhere near a replica in that sense but I have always liked the 427 just could not make the financial justification when I built mine. That being said the 347 IMO is probably the sweet spot in power and weight and would probably not add that much to my driving experience.
Ted G
03-28-2022, 04:01 PM
Congrats on the order. I ordered mine back in September and I'm days out from Stewart Transport delivering to my house!! I tell you, the days seem longer and longer as you get close to delivery.
Anyways, the almost 8 months I had to wait was perfect in that I learned so much through this forum and local guys, made significant changes because of it, and got my garage ready for the build. Enjoy your next 10 months of waiting... It is worth it.
Ted
This is silly but...the badge..... Just the 427 is iconic in this rig. I know I know it is not anywhere near a replica in that sense but I have always liked the 427 just could not make the financial justification when I built mine. That being said the 347 IMO is probably the sweet spot in power and weight and would probably not add that much to my driving experience.
It's not silly at all. I keep debating whether I should change my order to a 289FIA only because I am using a small block.
cnutting
03-29-2022, 11:19 AM
Not necessarily an under car rear exhaust but Fman posted a video where he shows one of his buddies' really nice 289 roadster that has an undercar exhaust with the tips just forward of the rear wheels. In the video, he puts the car on a lift and shows the routing and the type of exhaust components he used. It was a pretty slick setup.
That's Eddie's (vspeeds here on the forum) 289. Very nice build! His thread also gives more detail on the exhaust.
Theshandman
03-29-2022, 02:15 PM
I love all the comments on the BPE 347 (nucj19) because that's what I ordered. I've had my complete MK4 kit since Dec '21 which took 6 months to be delivered after order and I am just about at the point where I can drop the engine in. It has been sitting in a friend's barn since Feb and every week or so I have to go over just to look at it and drool a bit. I like the notion that the 347 has more than enough power for my planned 'casual' driving and even the heat issue may be somewhat subjugated with its smaller 'footprint' than say a 427. In any case George, you will have a blast doing everything it takes to get 'er done and on the road! Welcome!
Art
CaptB
03-29-2022, 02:27 PM
I think the 347 is the best engine for the money, in fact clearly it is.
I had a 347 in my hands and returned it to move into a 427 but the only reason I did it was that I got some unexpected cash from the VA that allowed me to make the change.
I think with a solid built 347 you'll have as much fun as the 427.
Capt. B
Theshandman
03-29-2022, 02:34 PM
...from the VA...
Thanks for your service, Captain B! I'm not sure, but is that an AT-6 you're flying there? Awesome!
Art
CaptB
03-29-2022, 03:38 PM
Thanks for your service, Captain B! I'm not sure, but is that an AT-6 you're flying there? Awesome!
Art
It is a T-34 Mentor, the last in the Navy's inventory. We have it here on loan from the Navy at our military flying club in Millington, TN.
It is A LOT of fun to fly.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I am curious as to why 427 vs. 347.
From what I understand, the BPE 347 is plenty powerful and you're traction limited. It's already difficult, if not impossible, to floor the throttle aggressively. What advantage does 427 add then?
When driven properly you can get all the power out of a 427, most don't do it often and people with a 347 also seem plenty satisfied with there engine choice. To each is own but this is a good fun video of why some people put a 427 in there Roadster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6bUr_XHeoo
So I did it.
Thank you Jeff Kleiner, Captain B, and others for encouragement.
I placed my order and have a build date of 1-14-23.
Seems like a long way off, but history has shown that time goes by pretty fast...lol
They said I would receive a "what to expect package" in the mail.
Anyone know when I could expect this?
I would love to do "REAR EXIT" exhaust.
I've searched as best I could but have not found much to help my confidence with this direction.
Any help with this would be great!
I am leaning towards a coyote but looks like FFR is recommending Blueprint at this time.
I am open to "any" engine that would serve me better regarding rear exit exhaust.
I've been enjoying all of your posts and build threads.
They have been very helpful in my decision to move forward with this project!!
Moving forward I will continue to refine my build plan, purchase some choice tools, and
be sure to create a surplus in the honey-do list.:)
George
George,
Congrats on placing your order. If you were not aware you have Mike Forte not far from you who is a very reputable engine builder. Mike builds pushrod engines and also sells the Coyote. BPE is also an option but you will be very limited on what you can change to the engine. If you have any desire to change up your induction/EFI system, front pulleys, PS, cams, clutch, etc etc... a builder like Mike would work with you and let you also have input on the engine options. Mike has an excellent reputation on this forum with many satisfied customers who he has built engines for. Just keep this in mind that there are other options out there other than BPE.
JohnK
03-29-2022, 11:51 PM
When driven properly you can get all the power out of a 427
That quote reminded me of this video. It's a great overall video about the roadster, but I'm reminded of this one particular moment at the 5:20 mark
https://youtu.be/81OVZnHWd2A?t=320
bil1024
03-31-2022, 06:05 PM
Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymoose
04-13-2022, 11:57 PM
Congrats! My date is in one month exactly. I thought I had settled on a coyote but now I’m second guessing if i should go pushrod reading this thread haha. How does anyone decide?
CraigS
04-14-2022, 05:05 PM
I'm most impressed with the 3" sleeves through the 4" cross member idea. I'd be willing to forgo the IRS if need be. Some of the cars I've looked at looks like no room to get by the oil pan from the front of the engine. I'm guessing it would just require a particular oil pan. even still... the fit is "TIGHT" lol. '
thanks for all your input!!
Actually IRS 'may' make routing the exhaust easier. 3 link you have a whole solid axle moving up and down. Irs you have half shafts and control arms moving but in near the diff their movement is very slight.
Avalanche325
04-15-2022, 02:02 PM
S It's already difficult, if not impossible, to floor the throttle aggressively. What advantage does 427 add then?
You can't floor if off the line unless you are heading straight to the tire store. But once you are rolling, you can certainly use it all. I have 500HP and have had my foot to the floor more than plenty. On the track, I could always use more. The trick is knowing how to control it and putting very good tires on the car.
I'll bet that for somewhere over 90% of the people that choose them, "427" is just a magic "Cobra number". DART 351 blocks can go bigger than 427, but guess what number most people pick? If I was doing another, I would do a 427.
However, generally with a larger engine you can have either more power, or the same power and the engine is milder. My 500HP is from a 347 which is getting a little on the nasty side of things on the street. 500HP from a 427 would not need quite as an aggressive cam, etc, so would be a little calmer.
Real Time
04-15-2022, 05:13 PM
Actually IRS 'may' make routing the exhaust easier. 3 link you have a whole solid axle moving up and down. Irs you have half shafts and control arms moving but in near the diff their movement is very slight.
CooL! I will look at this more closely!
CraigS
04-16-2022, 08:01 AM
Also exhaust pipe doesn't have to be round.
https://www.racemufflers.com/Oval-Exhaust-Tubing-s/1832.htm
This is an extreme example but keep in mind that if the area of the cross section is the same as a round pipe, and the transition is done well, it can be nearly any shape
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=NR4t1Y8V&id=965ED0734E52A26CC0DC683A5386CC14CC8BA480&thid=OIP.NR4t1Y8V0iEZ43LJ9YA-EwHaE7&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fcdn.theturboforums.com%2fim ages%2fimported%2f2013%2f08%2fdrgasexhaustonprojec ttalladega_zps562c47-1.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.351 e2dd58f15d22119e372c9f5803e13%3frik%3dgKSLzBTMhlM6 aA%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=533&expw=800&q=nascar+exhaust+pipe&simid=608022753563128115&FORM=IRPRST&ck=99178E3884B8BD8EF4E164201ABB33FB&selectedIndex=27&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0