Log in

View Full Version : A cautionary tale about battery neglect



JohnK
03-11-2022, 10:57 PM
I have a '67 Mustang that has been parked in a storage unit for the last several months. We moved recently and I now have a larger garage, so I decided to go get the Mustang out of storage and bring it home. I wasn't sure what sort of condition the battery would be in, so I went to the storage unit yesterday and removed the battery and brought it home to put on a charger overnight. The battery is a dark-case Optima red top 34R that was purchased in early 2020, so it's not that old. I know there's lots of "love" for Optimas on this forum but they've always performed well for me. Prior to being stored, the Mustang had been driven pretty regularly so other than this one period where it sat for several months it had not been previously neglected.

I brought the battery home yesterday and put it on an Optimate 6 (https://optimate1.com/om6/) smart charger (forgot to check voltage before putting it on the charger). When I first connected the battery it sensed that it needed to run through the desulfate program and then went into the regular charging cycle. Roughly 20 hours later I went out to check on the battery today and the charger was still indicating that it was charging at its maximum output, i.e., the battery was not fully charged yet. Not surprising given how long it had sat. I disconnected it and checked voltage and it was at 12.5V so I figured that even though it wasn't fully charged it was probably good enough to start the car and get it home. It was a little warm to the touch but I didn't think much of it. I took it to the storage unit and installed it, and the car fired right up. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised that the starter sounded much stronger than I expected. Being a nice sunny day, I put the top down and went out to run some errands. After several stops around town, I went by the post office, and when I parked the car I heard a faint hissing sound. Oh great... I thought I had a small leak in a radiator hose. I popped the hood and much to my dismay the hissing sound was coming from the battery. One corner of the case near the negative terminal was bulging and there was steam coming out of the vent port and the corner of the case. I let it cool until the hissing stopped and got home as quickly as I could (only a mile or so). As soon as I got home I removed the battery from the car and set it outside (I'd rather not burn the garage down). It was very hot to the touch and still hissing and venting steam. Here's a photo of what it looked like. I'm pretty certain that, had I not heard the hissing and had driven for any extended length of time, this would have ended very badly. My best guess is that the alternator (upgraded 100A PowerMaster) sensed that the battery was still low and fed it max. amperage to charge it.

A little googling reveals that this is not an uncommon failure mode for Optimas (both yellow and red top). I know that a lot of folks on the forum park their "fun" cars for months at a time during the winter - sometimes with, sometimes without a trickle charger. Be aware that a battery that is discharged may still be able to start your car, but your car's alternator is not the best way to recharge a deeply discharged battery. Definitely best to keep the battery on a trickle charger during the winter, or at least fully charge it on a smart charger before re-installing it in the car.


https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=163816&d=1647052034

lance corsi
03-12-2022, 01:59 AM
I won’t have another one.

facultyofmusic
03-12-2022, 04:14 AM
Oh gosh this is the kind of reminder I need. *runs to the garage and puts the battery on charger*

Fman
03-12-2022, 08:55 AM
Will they warranty that out for you? For being only two years old and a $250+ battery I would hope so.

JohnK
03-12-2022, 09:42 AM
Hopefully (if I can find the receipt).

J R Jones
03-12-2022, 09:53 AM
John, This battery is clearly not serviceable but I suggest you evaluate the charging system "just in case". This is a failure new to me.
I hope that you do not have acid damage on your chassis. A good wash-down and baking soda is appropriate.
jim

JohnK
03-12-2022, 10:17 AM
Hey Jim. Acid leakage was also my fear, and a good part of the reason why I wanted to get the battery out of the car as quickly as possible even though it was still hot and venting steam. Thankfully it never leaked any acid. I guess that's a testament to the AGM design. I will definitely test the charging system once I replace the battery. The alternator in the car if pretty new, but the voltage regulator may have gone bad.

One other potentially telling clue is that as I was driving the car around yesterday (pre-nuclear meltdown of the battery) I would occasionally hear belt squeal if I blipped the throttle to downshift. I just wrote it off as needing to adjust belt tension, but I'm now wondering if the alternator was under full load and was creating a lot of resistance to pulley rotation.

J R Jones
03-12-2022, 11:12 AM
My wife believes I exhibit "dog tendencies" and maybe that is a compliment, all things considered.
I am concerned that the steam/spray had some acid content, and my dog troubleshooting methodology is to lick the surrounding structure to evaluate the (acid) taste OR wipe the surfaces with your finger and taste.
You may have to be discrete, the Bay Area does get a bit salty. A good dog would know the difference.
jim

Jeff Kleiner
03-12-2022, 11:28 AM
My thoughts on Optima batteries are well known so...

163830

Jeff

JohnK
03-12-2022, 12:02 PM
Yeah, you may or may not be the one I was referring to in the first post about there being lots of "love" for Optimas around here. :p

EZ$
03-12-2022, 12:49 PM
John, I had a red top Optima in my car when I took it to Ken for paint. Oddly enough it was the same manufacture date as yours. When I went to pick up the chassis so I could do some items that would be tough once the body is on, the battery had really lost its charge. We got it in the trailer, and once I got it home, I checked the voltage, and it was around 5 volts! I bought a Noco Genius 5 trickle charger and hooked it up. Two days later it was still taking a charge, and then it switched to the symbol for a damaged battery. I had been checking to see if it got hot while on the charger, but it did not. Anyhow, I was able to start the car, and ran it for 10 minutes or so, and shut it off. I checked the battery, and it was starting to get warm, so I disconnected it and removed it from the car. Luckily, I found the receipt and took the battery back to the O'Reilly's I bought it at. Still under warranty, and all I paid was about $30 which was the difference between when I originally purchased and now. Once the car is back together I don't intend on it sitting for more than a day or two between drives, so the battery shouldn't be a problem. But I also have the new trickle charger if it does sit. I hope you find that receipt.

Derald Rice
03-12-2022, 01:13 PM
This is news to me also.....There is a "trick" to charging a deeply discharged optima on their web site, it basically involves a lead-acid battery placed in parrallel with the optima, and a standard battery charger.

I have six of the red tops, and the ones that are not in DD's are taken out of the cars for storage and placed on battery tenders.

I still like them, and I get good life from them, so they are a good value for me.

I like MSD stuff also.

EZ$
03-12-2022, 06:29 PM
I should have also mentioned that the car was at the painter's for at least four months before I went to pick it up. I have no intention of letting it sit that long ever again.

JohnK
03-12-2022, 07:54 PM
Quick follow-up... I took the deceased red top down to the shop I had previously purchased it from and showed it to them. The guy gave me the long lecture about how they're made in Mexico now and they're &*$% and he doesn't carry them anymore but if I want to try to file a warranty claim he might be able to get me a replacement in a few weeks. Sigh... no. He made a big production about how Deka batteries are still made in the good 'ol US of A and that I'd be much happier with that, so $212 dollars later I've got a nice new American-made Deka Intimidator in the '67 Mustang. It's almost worth it just because it's called an Intimidator, though for the life of me I have no idea why I would want my battery to be intimidating. Anyway...

Got it home, checked it with the multimeter and it was at 12.95V. Good. Threw it in the car and started it up and I got 14.6V. Also good. Took it out for a nice cruise around town and then checked it again when I got home. 14.5V at all RPM with headlights off and 14.35V at all RPM with low beams on, so it appears the alternator and voltage regulator are working properly. Incidentally, the belt squeal that I suspected was coming from alternator is now completely gone. It's now connected to the Optimate 6, which is running through it's pulsed charge routine to balance the charge on the individual cells. I really like this charger a lot. I may pick up a second one so I can have one for the Mustang and one for the Roadster. I'm not quite sure how to feel about the Optima yellow top in the roadster. It's fine at the moment and I hate to replace perfectly good stuff, but it will be much easier to replace it now vs. when the body is on. I may leave it in until it's time to put the body on for the final time months from now, and make the call at that point.

JimLev
03-13-2022, 02:14 PM
This is news to me also.....There is a "trick" to charging a deeply discharged optima on their web site, it basically involves a lead-acid battery placed in series with the optima, and a standard battery charger.



CORRECTION NEEDED.
The batteries should be connected in parallel, - to - and + to +, not in series.

JohnK
03-13-2022, 03:25 PM
This is correct, but only needed if you're using a basic battery tender that doesn't recognize an AGM battery whose voltage is too low. In my case, I connected the Optima to the battery charger and it recognized it just fine and proceeded to attempt to charge it, so connecting another battery wasn't necessary.

facultyofmusic
03-15-2022, 12:36 AM
so $212 dollars later I've got a nice new American-made Deka Intimidator in the '67 Mustang. It's almost worth it just because it's called an Intimidator, though for the life of me I have no idea why I would want my battery to be intimidating. Anyway...

I **** you not John I just woke up from a nap where I dreamt my SUV's battery was bloated and steam was coming out of the top. I've never seen that happen on TV or in real life so the only place my brain could have gotten that idea was this thread. LOL.

JohnK
03-15-2022, 09:05 AM
You're welcome :p

Scowally
03-15-2022, 09:21 AM
I replaced the red top in my roadster about 2 years ago with another red top and have not any issues. That being said, I am thinking about hooking up a battery charger. Any recommendations…

JohnK
03-15-2022, 09:29 AM
You'll get lots of opinions on battery chargers. IMO pretty much any decent trickle charger can keep a healthy battery healthy when used regularly. Bringing an old or deeply discharged battery back safely is where the better chargers differ. I really like the Optimate series of chargers. I have an Optimate 6 Select on the yellow top in the roadster:

https://optimate1.com/om6select/

It has the ability to charge at 14.7V vs. 14.4V for batteries that can accept the higher voltage (which Optima batteries can) and also has more intelligence built in around charging profiles, temperature control, being able to safely recharge a deeply discharged battery, etc.