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Ltngdrvr
02-27-2022, 09:21 PM
Hope this is okay to post with the powers that be here...

A comparison of the original Daytona, the superformance and the Factory Five Racing Type 65 Gen 3.

As I look around the forums, this one and the other ffr one, I see a number of questions about how close they all are.

Actually, other than the basic shape, not very close to each other at all.

Performance-wise, the original and the superformance really can't touch the tubular space frame on the Factory Five, many times stiffer frame and much improved suspension geometry.

Below I put together a pic of all three, where you can see the biggest exterior differences.

The original car, built by Peter Brock in the Shelby American shop, CSX2287, a rebodied 289 FIA roadster, as all 6 original cars were, is just a bare bones piece, designed only for its aerodynamic advantage over the roadster, to allow it to achieve a higher top speed than the Ferrari's on the long straights of European circuits. Built strictly for speed, not comfort.

The superformance is really built mostly for comfort, uses a modification of the original chassis design, except all out of rectangular and square tube, and coil over A-arm suspension.

CSX2287 is the only one of the six original cars to be built totally by Peter Brock and Shelby American, the other 5 cars were built in Italy at an Italian coach builder. The first three of those cars, starting with Chassis CSX2299, were built entirely by the coach builder, without input or supervision from Brock, and thus the Italians thought they knew better about things and modified Brock's design a bit. The most obvious change was the coupe's roofline, sloping downward right from behind the windshield, whereas the Brock design had the high point of the roofline near the rear. The last two cars were made closer to Brock's original design, after he went to Italy to supervise the builds.

Anyway, you can see that the Factory Five body has the high point of the roofline at the front, sloping downward from there, like the CSX2299 chassis. The superformance roofline is very similar to the CSX2287 car. The superformance cars are ridiculously expensive, and of course an original is pretty much unobtainable at any price. The next time an original hits the auction block, I would expect it to go for north of 20 million.

Pretty much making the Factory Five cars the best buy.

https://i.ibb.co/Smg0DWj/Daytona-Coupe-Comparison-FFR-type-65-Superformance-CSX-9000-Original-CSX-2287.jpg

JohnK
02-27-2022, 10:40 PM
The FFR Daytona coupe is definitely closer to the Italian roofline Daytonas. It's a beautiful car in its own right, and definitely one of the best-performing Daytona replicas available on the market. Personally, I do prefer the roofline and overall shape of CSX2287, and that's the only reason I pause when considering an FFR coupe for my next build. CSX2287 has such a unique and distinctive look unlike anything that came before or after it, and I think some of that character is lost in the FFR interpretation.

Ltngdrvr
02-27-2022, 11:54 PM
The FFR Daytona coupe is definitely closer to the Italian roofline Daytonas. It's a beautiful car in its own right, and definitely one of the best-performing Daytona replicas available on the market. Personally, I do prefer the roofline and overall shape of CSX2287, and that's the only reason I pause when considering an FFR coupe for my next build. CSX2287 has such a unique and distinctive look unlike anything that came before or after it, and I think some of that character is lost in the FFR interpretation.
Well, when you consider the cost difference, makes the decision to go Factory Five an easy one.

David Williamson
02-28-2022, 08:46 AM
The original Coupe has a 90 inch wheel base the same as the Cobra but the FFR 65 Coupe is larger, 95 inch wheel base to give it more interior space. The Superformace Coupe is a little more of a "GT" car with details like power windows.
David W

Jim1855
02-28-2022, 11:37 AM
Two of them were designed by Peter Brock.

But after having spent a lot of time with a friend's FFR Gen 3, I really like the design.

Jim

JohnK
02-28-2022, 11:47 AM
This thread is a few years old, but has some interesting side-by-side photos of a FFR coupe and a Superformance Daytona.

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?15454-Coupe-body-differences

samuelrjackson9
02-28-2022, 04:50 PM
I think the factory 5 looks more sleek than the original.

Ltngdrvr
02-28-2022, 05:01 PM
I think the factory 5 looks more sleek than the original.

Well, the wind tunnel might differ with you, but the Type 65 does look great.

JohnK
02-28-2022, 05:35 PM
The Italian-roofed Daytonas were reportedly 2-3 mph slower on the Mulsanne straight than the original Brock-designed cars, IIRC.

Ltngdrvr
02-28-2022, 08:42 PM
Here's a pic of CSX2299, the first Italian coachworks built Daytona.
It was fully restored some time back, better than new.
You can definitely see how similar the roofline is to the Factory Five, the more upright windshield.

https://i.ibb.co/5hVGMVj/Daytona-CSX2299.jpg

SnakeBitten14
03-03-2022, 06:42 PM
I really like what FFR did. Made adjustments to improve performance and make it so an average person could fit inside. Still looks like the original unless it's parked beside one... which will never happen!

cgundermann
03-03-2022, 07:46 PM
Aesthetically, I prefer the FFR - but, the original Peter Brock built coupe has so much character. Bang for buck, you can't beat the FFR Type 65 coupe. As an added bonus, the extre legroom and frame rigidity with the space frame design...

Chris