Quick jacks in Washington

[Hunz23]

Are quick jacks street legal in WA state? I'm thinking they are but don't know for sure.

[Andrew Davis]

Good question, I haven't a clue. Not even sure who to ask.

[jamminj]

My question is how would they know?
I don't think they would know what they are looking at anyway

[RR20AC]

Perfectly legal. No inspection in Washington State to get your car registered and licensed for the road.

[cgundermann]

Perfectly legal as Jim pointed out. Retired from the Washington State Patrol (WSP) as an Assistant Chief during my MK4 build and for obvious reasons did a lot of research. Back in the day, the WSP did a thorough inspection upon licensing. Department of Licensing (DOL) took over that functionality for revenue purposes and now it's so simple, it embarrassing - nothing is visually checked.

Now it's always possible some law enforcement officer might try to pull up some obscure WAC and apply it, but it won't stick...

You have no worries.

Chris

[Hunz23]

Thanks everyone for the replies. You've put my fears to rest.

[D Stand]

Perfectly legal. No inspection in Washington State to get your car registered and licensed for the road.

Not to highjack this post but, I am being told that I need a WSP inspection before registration. Any words of wisdom from those that have gone through this would be appreciated..

[Andrew Davis]

D Stand,
from a friend who recently got his mk4 licensed, they are mostly concerned with IDing stolen parts. Engines and trans etc. And, of course, collecting all taxes. These taxes can be quite a shock if you aren't expecting them. Just an FYI.
Andy Davis

[cgundermann]

Not to highjack this post but, I am being told that I need a WSP inspection before registration. Any words of wisdom from those that have gone through this would be appreciated..

The WSP use to have that responsibility of doing an inspection and essentially, it was to check for any stolen parts. The Department of Licensing (by statute) now licenses component cars. *All you have to do is bring in the MSO (manufacturer's statement of origin) and JUST your kit price from FFR (DOL does not look at engine or transmission serial #s). You will simply pay taxes for the FFR kit price.

Some DOL offices are more familiar with the process. The Parkland DOL has licensed several FFR kits without any drama - you do not even need to bring the car in...

You can PM me and I can help you navigate this process...

Chris

[RR20AC]

Would like to know who told you that. Obviously they don't know about the hotrod bill that was passed in Washington state which make it all easier for us. I know that was why Chris got on board to build a cobra and myself too.

[Paul2STL]

What Jim said is true. I went through the process in late 2018 and another FFR builder just got his titled as a 1965 and no inspection just a few weeks ago in Auburn.

[D Stand]

Thanks all for the advise. I got this information from the Bothell (Worthington) licensing office..

[D Stand]

PM sent

[D Stand]

I got my roadster registered last week! Thanks much to all that gave input. Chris, thanks for the tip about April, down at the Parkland DOL, she was great to deal with. The only thing she needed except for receipts was a certified scale weight slip.

[460.465USMC]

The WSP use to have that responsibility of doing an inspection and essentially, it was to check for any stolen parts. The Department of Licensing (by statute) now licenses component cars. *All you have to do is bring in the MSO (manufacturer's statement of origin) and JUST your kit price from FFR (DOL does not look at engine or transmission serial #s). You will simply pay taxes for the FFR kit price.

Some DOL offices are more familiar with the process. The Parkland DOL has licensed several FFR kits without any drama - you do not even need to bring the car in...

You can PM me and I can help you navigate this process...

Chris

Hi Chris,

I was also told by my north Spokane licensing office to get an inspection by WSP before they will issue title, etc. I hope to complete the licensing process this year. If you don't mind, I'd like to pick your brain on the process. I'll send you a PM.

[lasse2]

I got my roadster registered last week! Thanks much to all that gave input. Chris, thanks for the tip about April, down at the Parkland DOL, she was great to deal with. The only thing she needed except for receipts was a certified scale weight slip.

I figured I could revive this thread because it was helpful to me and I have some information to add. I successfully registered my roadster on Tuesday 4/23/24. I live in Seattle but drove to Parkland and found that April no longer works there. The current staff was clueless and insisted that a WSP inspection was required. Not being one to give up, I drove to Canyon Park Licensing in Bothell where it was no problem. No WSP inspection and taxed on cost of FFR kit. It licensed as a '65 with a 1965 plate and no need to pay for yearly tabs. The chassis number is my VIN. Didn't need to ask or argue with them to do this I just laid the paperwork and plate on the counter while they were working and they understood what I intended. Couldn't be happier with the outcome. Should have insurance by the end of the day and I'm ready to graduate my build.

[q4stix]

Great news! I'm a ways out but it's nice to know it's still possible without a lot of hassle.

[Barwickad]

Just to add my experience on licensing in WA. I also went to the Parkland office. They were super helpful and i left the office with all my completed paperwork in hand 20 minutes later. No WA state inspection required, or so I was told. I received my title a few weeks later in the mail. Titled as a 65 Shelby Replica. Well that sure was easy! ;)

Not so fast. About 4 months later I get a letter from the DOL folks who apparently audit specialty title applications. My title has been cancelled due to a few red flags. The major one being no WSP inspection. The cars in paint now but once its done i’ll need to start the whole process over again. Not to mention getting a WSP inspection slot on the west side is next to impossible due to to all the inspection stations being grossly understaffed. I was told by the Parkland folks it can take a year to get a slot in the Seattle/Tacoma metro area. :mad: :mad:

[Wizbangdoodle]

I'm a ways away from licensing, but these stories of conflicting info seem to be the norm in this state. I've had trouble registering an old truck at one location, while having no issues at another. I'll call ahead and check the web for requirements and then once I go in, I'm told I need more forms. I think there are so many laws and requirements in Washington that even the people in the satellite offices don't know what to do. Frustrating.

[460.465USMC]

Wizbangdoodle, I'm convinced the WA state process for KITV vehicles has recently changed. I believe any licensing office that processes a title without a WSP inspection and other required paperwork (CA emission compliance) is at risk of getting the title kicked back. I started the KITV title/registration process in late July 2023, and finally received my title last month. I worked with two separate licensing offices, several phone calls with my local county licensing office, as well as phone calls with the DOL state office in Olympia.

Here are some of the key RCWs for your reference:


KITV vehicles (RCW 46.12.695): https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.12.695
The Clean Car Law (RCW 46.16A.060: requires vehicles across Washington State to be certified to California emission standards. Starting with 2009 models, vehicles must meet these strict clean air standards to be registered, leased, rented, licensed, or sold for use anywhere in Washington. https://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicles-and-boats/vehicle-registration/buying-and-selling-vehicle/clean-car-law-emission-requirements
Street Rod vehicle (RCW 46.12.710). WSP will not classify your F5 kit car as a street rod. They will classify it as a KITV.
Chapter 204-10 WAC Equipment Standards. https://app.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?dispo=true&cite=204-10
46.16A.060: Registration—Emission control inspections required—Exemptions—Educational information—Rules. https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.16A.060
RCW 46.04.123: Collectible vehicle: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.04.123
RCW 46.18.220: Collector vehicle license plates.
RCW 46.12 RCW: CERTIFICATES OF TITLE
List of related RCWs: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.12&full=true#46.12.711

[Wizbangdoodle]

Wizbangdoodle, I'm convinced the WA state process for KITV vehicles has recently changed. I believe any licensing office that processes a title without a WSP inspection and other required paperwork (CA emission compliance) is at risk of getting the title kicked back. I started the KITV title/registration process in late July 2023, and finally received my title last month. I worked with two separate licensing offices, several phone calls with my local county licensing office, as well as phone calls with the DOL state office in Olympia.

Here are some of the key RCWs for your reference:


KITV vehicles (RCW 46.12.695): https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.12.695
The Clean Car Law (RCW 46.16A.060: requires vehicles across Washington State to be certified to California emission standards. Starting with 2009 models, vehicles must meet these strict clean air standards to be registered, leased, rented, licensed, or sold for use anywhere in Washington. https://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicles-and-boats/vehicle-registration/buying-and-selling-vehicle/clean-car-law-emission-requirements
Street Rod vehicle (RCW 46.12.710). WSP will not classify your F5 kit car as a street rod. They will classify it as a KITV.
Chapter 204-10 WAC Equipment Standards. https://app.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?dispo=true&cite=204-10
46.16A.060: Registration—Emission control inspections required—Exemptions—Educational information—Rules. https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.16A.060
RCW 46.04.123: Collectible vehicle: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.04.123
RCW 46.18.220: Collector vehicle license plates.
RCW 46.12 RCW: CERTIFICATES OF TITLE
List of related RCWs: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.12&full=true#46.12.711


Good info, thanks.

Of course, leave it up to Washington to make it the most difficult, convoluted and confusing process ever.

So, is your car registered as a 1965 or a 2023? Did it have to meet California emission standards? After reading through several of those RCW's, there's a lot of room for interpretation. Guess I need to go make friends with someone at the DOL office.

[460.465USMC]

Yeah, no kidding on the over-the-top bureaucracy in our state.

Mine is registered as a 2020. That's because the WSP inspector goes by the year noted on the F5 (manufacturer) certificate of origin. The DOL must use the year noted on the WSP inspection paperwork. The model year is what triggers the CA emissions compliance requirement (i.e. 2009 and later).

Believe me, I tried to get it registered as a 1965 Shelby Cobra. I talked to several who've done that. I applied every bit of wisdom they provided me. It just wasn't going to happen for me. I hope others are able to pull it off like lasse2 notes above. But, I want folks to be aware there is a good chance of having their title revoked in doing so.

[jamesSeattle]

I figured I could revive this thread because it was helpful to me and I have some information to add. I successfully registered my roadster on Tuesday 4/23/24. I live in Seattle but drove to Parkland and found that April no longer works there. The current staff was clueless and insisted that a WSP inspection was required. Not being one to give up, I drove to Canyon Park Licensing in Bothell where it was no problem. No WSP inspection and taxed on cost of FFR kit. It licensed as a '65 with a 1965 plate and no need to pay for yearly tabs. The chassis number is my VIN. Didn't need to ask or argue with them to do this I just laid the paperwork and plate on the counter while they were working and they understood what I intended. Couldn't be happier with the outcome. Should have insurance by the end of the day and I'm ready to graduate my build.

Hi, this is super helpful, thanks for the update. I have two quick questions since I am in Seattle and within a few weeks of getting my car licensed.
- When you say it was licensed as a '65, was it licensed as a kit vehicle or a custom vehicle?
- Canyon Park Licensing - Was that place recommended to you or did you just happen to go there? Is there anyone specific I should talk to?

[Carography]

So this is disheartening. I ordered my kit earlier this week and thought the registration was not a big deal.
WSP inspection?
1) Is a completed build going to be smogged?
2) are CATS going to be required?
3) What else the WSP going to "inspect"?

[460.465USMC]

Hello. My WSP inspection was a breeze last summer. Their main concern is seeing proof (i.e. receipts) the major components (engine, transmission, etc.) are not stolen. Looking at the car they were primarily interested in verifying the F5 serial number stamped on the 2" frame under the dash.

My local WSP inspection station is in Spokane. They did not do a smog inspection or CATS, no bumper concern, and no wipers concern.

[Wizbangdoodle]

Hello. My WSP inspection was a breeze last summer. Their main concern is seeing proof (i.e. receipts) the major components (engine, transmission, etc.) are not stolen. Looking at the car they were primarily interested in verifying the F5 serial number stamped on the 2" frame under the dash.

My local WSP inspection station is in Spokane. They did not do a smog inspection or CATS, no bumper concern, and no wipers concern.

They didn't care about wipers, huh? Interesting. I may forgo installing those on my build.

[Carography]

Hello. My WSP inspection was a breeze last summer. Their main concern is seeing proof (i.e. receipts) the major components (engine, transmission, etc.) are not stolen. Looking at the car they were primarily interested in verifying the F5 serial number stamped on the 2" frame under the dash.

My local WSP inspection station is in Spokane. They did not do a smog inspection or CATS, no bumper concern, and no wipers concern.

Were any of your major parts (engine, trans, diff) from a 3rd party? did have proper paperwork. Curious what I need for an engine I bought off of Facebook for my build.

[Dmac800]

Were any of your major parts (engine, trans, diff) from a 3rd party? did have proper paperwork. Curious what I need for an engine I bought off of Facebook for my build.

You will need a bill of sale from the seller of the engine.

[Carography]

You will need a bill of sale from the seller of the engine.

I can probably get that. Just a bill of sale? Noterized I assume. No parts vehicle information or VIN?

[460.465USMC]

Were any of your major parts (engine, trans, diff) from a 3rd party? did have proper paperwork. Curious what I need for an engine I bought off of Facebook for my build.

I bought my engine and transmission from forum vendor Fortes Parts Connection. I showed them the paid invoice. My complete IRS I purchased from F5 with my kit, so had paid invoice from that as well. No issues. As Dmac800 said, get a bill of sale for private party purchases. Keep original paperwork receipt if you buy anything from a salvage yard.

If you go to the WSP vehicle inspection page (https://www.wsp.wa.gov/driver/schedule-a-vin/) you'll find the link to the kit vehicle inspection guide, which contains all the details regarding documentation needed for their inspection. Here's an excerpt:

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=202254&d=1722202836

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=202255&d=1722202836