347 vs Coyote total cost of install

[mmklaxer]

This post isn't about the virtues of a modern engine vs old school looks, torque curves vs hp, etc. etc. Factory Five's facebook live engine options video does a great job of explaining pros/cons of many engine options. My question is more about the total associated costs of one engine option vs another.

As I work through the planning stage, I always assumed I would select a Coyote for all the reasons outlined in the video referenced above. A certain part of me thinks a 347 would just look/feel right in a roadster, and if I went EFI, drivability might be much improved over a carb'd engine (again, not the point of this post for those carb purists out there. no offense intended)

Here's the ask: How much is a coyote with all extra costs that are really necessary? Am i missing anything below? Without advocating for one vendor over another, I would say the costs below are readily available online.

Coyote:
Engine package: $14,500
Coyote install kit: $600
Coyote power steering: $1,200
Tune: $1000 (i may be way off here - looking for help)
Total Cost: $17,300
Am i missing anything?

347:
EFI Engine package:$14,500
power steering: I assume lower thank coyote? let's say $500
Total cost: $15,000

Thanks!

[Bob Cowan]

You'll want a tune for any engine you install.

[BradCraig]

I assume the controls pack is in your Coyote engine package? When I did the math for equivalent HP on the 347 it was within ~$1k - $1500 if I recall so it ended up as "what do I want" exercise.

[mmklaxer]

Ok, good to know. As most of my research focused on coyotes, I’m not as familiar with holler sniper type efi systems for a 347. I read a lot about coyotes needing a Lund tune for example.

[mmklaxer]

Yes, comes with the control pack. As a comparison, I was looking at mike fortes site.

[BradCraig]

Yes, comes with the control pack. As a comparison, I was looking at mike fortes site.

Here is what I recommend....decide what you WANT, then analyze the $$. Couple grand won't bother you a few years down the road. Every single decision I made to cut costs on mine I have gone back and changed!

[nucjd19]

When I was researching I thought long and hard about coyote but my gut kept pulling me back to the 347. It was finding the happy medium for aesthetics, performance, price, and weight. These rigs end up spending a lot of the time with the hood open and I just liked the look of it over the Coyote. Just my preference nothing else. I took all of those considerations into the decision and the 347 just worked for me. Also I really do like carbs :)

[BEAR-AvHistory]

For what is worth I rather drive it than do maintenance on or look at the engine so it spends pretty much zero time with the hood open. They will all need a tune prices vary but all will be about the same to a large extent.

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Put in a COYOTE - don't have touch it except for fluids & filters unless you add performance parts. 7 years & only the annual oil change on the engine so far. Original setup should run for 100,00 miles with out any work if no changes are made. Original final engine setup tune has outlasted the original clutch & tires at this point

Its personal to each of us & I never intended it to be anything other than what I built. Felt its not a real COBRA so they are no constraints as to what I wanted to build.

The first thing you need to do is find out what the state & county DMV inspection & emission tests are required. A COYOTE will produce a lot of power & still pass the tests. To get similar power out of the stroker you need to be sure you have an exemption from the emissions testing as it may be hard to get it passed.

Not an issue for me as NCDMV has only one inspection which is done at your house & no emission requirements since they are registered here as 1965's here & classified as Antique Autos. Car is never inspected again until someone else buys it & they have their inspection.

[MisterAdam]

Tune?? I put a coyote in in 2015 and never had a tune. Runs great. State of the art, 100,000 mile tuneup, turn the key and go.

[Al_C]

I'd shop around for prices. Tunes can vary as much as 6 or 700 bucks in my experience depending on who does it and what tools/software they use. (I've seen data logging tunes for around $1300 vs. dyno tunes for around $500) Granted, I purchased my Gen 2 coyote in 2016 (from Mike Forte), but I'm surprised at your cost estimate. Mine was not nearly that expensive.

The bottom line is that this is a personal choice. It's your car - build it the way YOU want it. OK, end of editorial.

[mmklaxer]

Thanks all!! Really appreciate the input!

[edwardb]

Just a point of clarification having had both.

Gen 2 Coyote = custom tune optional. Runs better on a custom tune, especially at lower RPM's. But will run OK with the base tune from Ford Performance. Likely a moot point for a new build since Gen 2's are long out of production and not easy to find.

Gen 3 Coyote = custom tune mandatory. The MAF tuning is much more sensitive in the Gen 3. And with the stock CAI removed, the calibration will be so far off it's basically not drivable. Bucks, cuts out, throws codes, enough it will go into limp mode. Happened to me and has been reported by many others as well. Custom tune and it runs great. Multiple options for custom tuning. If you can find a local tuner who knows the crate motor that's great. Probably your best value. Lund Racing is an option (what I've used multiple times) and do a good job. But they have raised their prices and aren't cheap.

FWIW to the thread question, I've found the Coyote is a good value if you really compare apples to apples. A 347 is nice. Had one in my #7750 build and loved it. But you'll have to work (and spend money) to get a 347 to the same power levels as a Coyote. Especially the latest Gen 3. A 351 based SBF would be a better comparison from a performance standpoint. I found a 351 based build with good parts, bore and stroke, and EFI was actually more expensive than a Coyote. Then there's how the Coyote runs and drives. It's as mild or wild as you want it. None of my SBF builds had the same level of drivability. Just plain more fun to drive. Not sure how you put a cost on that.

[KDubU]

I think the key determining factor is the look you want under the hood. Both are great engines and both will be fairly maintenance free once you have them up and running. I prefer the old school look so personally would go with the 347 but if you don’t care about that then, nothing wrong with going with the yote. It definitely fills up the engine bay.

[ggunter]

Does the above price $14500 for the Coyote include trans clutch and bell housing? If so that is a very reasonable price. $14500 for the 347 includes everything turnkey including power steering. At least thats what I paid from BPE.

[ggunter]

Sorry I just looked up what I paid, it was $12500 for a turn key 347 a year ago from BPE, I see it is $14500 for the same today

[Jeff Kleiner]

There isn’t a wrong choice between the two, just different choices. I recently had a BPE 347 with EFI here for paint and at the owner’s request took it for a drive to bed the brakes and adjust bias. It ran every bit as well as the Coyotes. As others have said it comes down to what you want to see and work with because in the grand scheme of the whole project the cost difference is negligible. If I were building another for myself and faced the same decision I’m not positive which direction I’d go...heck, I might just shake things up and put an LS in it :p

Jeff

[CaptB]

Sorry I just looked up what I paid, it was $12500 for a turn key 347 a year ago from BPE, I see it is $14500 for the same today

Wow they must have gone up in the last 6 months, I paid $13,500 last March for a carb'd 347. I guess if you add FI, it's probably around $14,500.

[mmklaxer]

There isn’t a wrong choice between the two, just different choices. I recently had a BPE 347 with EFI here for paint and at the owner’s request took it for a drive to bed the brakes and adjust bias. It ran every bit as well as the Coyotes. As others have said it comes down to what you want to see and work with because in the grand scheme of the whole project the cost difference is negligible. If I were building another for myself and faced the same decision I’m not positive which direction I’d go...heck, I might just shake things up and put an LS in it :p

Jeff

Good point in negligible cost in total. Talking about a $50k+ car, it's in the noise.

Thanks!

[Railroad]

If cost is your focus, bottom line will determine your choice.
Be advised the Coyote makes a great cruising engine. The 347 will provide more fun from take and off and lower rpm performance, comparatively.
If you decide on the Coyote, give some serious consideration to the 3.73 rear gears. These should give you the best of both worlds. IMO
good luck,

[nucjd19]

If cost is your focus, bottom line will determine your choice.
Be advised the Coyote makes a great cruising engine. The 347 will provide more fun from take and off and lower rpm performance, comparatively.
If you decide on the Coyote, give some serious consideration to the 3.73 rear gears. These should give you the best of both worlds. IMO
good luck,

Yea the 347 is a "torque monster" with a really flat torque curve. That is one really fun aspect of my rig. To me torque is fun. Top speed is not what I am going after. And by no means am I saying that the Coyote is not full of torque cause it is.